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Allen West: "I've Heard 80 House Democrats Are Communist

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There are two possibilities. 1. Obama is a fucking ignoramus when it comes to economics and he actually believes that handing over entire sectors of the economy (health care, energy) to government is going to result in a better economy,

 

 

By what possible stretch of the imagination does Obama's health care plan, which empowers private insurance companies beyond their wildest dreams, constitute "handing over an entire sector of the economy" to government?

Forget it, he's rolling.

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I understand that OBL will not be endorsing Obama.

Something about him being dead and all.

 

Since when is being dead an obstacle to voting for Democrats?

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I understand that OBL will not be endorsing Obama.

Something about him being dead and all.

 

Since when is being dead an obstacle to voting for Democrats?

Since when is being dead an obstacle to being baptized Mormon?

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

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Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

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He isn't alone. I know people that buy into a lot of his looney tunes nonsense.

 

 

I don't believe that NGS is "looney tunes" at all.

 

 

To me, one of the real eye-openers from the health care town meetings that were conducted and televised in the early 1990s, was to hear people express the position that America's urban drug addiction problems, and crack in particular, were a white genocidal plot against blacks. Now I don't personally buy that position, and I think it's even a little bit paranoid and crazy, but the arguments had a consistency to them, and none of the logical steps involved were too far out there. And the people expressing that position, judging by their mode of dress, their mode of speaking, and their general demeanor, appeared to be high functioning middle class professionals. The political class ignores the perceptions of such a group at its own peril.

 

 

My point? "Obama is a Communist bent on destroying America" may be a crazy position, but the people who hold it are not crazy, and neither they nor the process by which they were led to that conclusion can safely be ignored.

 

There are two possibilities. 1. Obama is a fucking ignoramus when it comes to economics and he actually believes that handing over entire sectors of the economy (health care, energy) to government is going to result in a better economy, or 2. it is all about Cloward-Piven. I'm inclined to go with 2, because I don't think Obama is stupid. He is rather a very bright guy, and this very intentional. We are headed for the abyss, and if he gets another four years? Well, Nellie, bar the door.

Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

Yeah, I can. They just had a whole big thing about it at the Supreme Court. Obama didn't do it by himself. James Madison helped.

 

You see, everyone participates in the health care market, so everyone should have to buy government-approved insurance in that market. Failure to do so affects interstate commerce, just like growing your own cannabis plants for personal medical use or having a gun near a school. What's not rational about that?

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Join " Don't believe the liberal media" campaign and ensure that the US is an oligarchy where foreign companies can now also buy out judges and politicians. Yes, freedom is a greatness to behold.

 

Welcome to the post democratic era US.

 

Have SA made you sign a "Binding Arbitration" clause, where an attorney would be payed by the defendent company to act in a fair and unbiased way against your interests completely.

 

Like Hershey's, keep it at home please guys?

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You see, everyone participates in the health care market, so everyone should have to buy government-approved insurance in that market. Failure to do so affects interstate commerce, just like growing your own cannabis plants for personal medical use or having a gun near a school. What's not rational about that?

 

Sounds fine to me - the alternative seems to be to force the costs of those who won't cover themselves on others.

 

Now, if you want to go with my "implant a chip saying not to scrape me off the road" idea, then that makes sense too. But the government is attempting to take care of the general welfare and happiness and health of the people. How dare they???

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You see, everyone participates in the health care market, so everyone should have to buy government-approved insurance in that market. Failure to do so affects interstate commerce, just like growing your own cannabis plants for personal medical use or having a gun near a school. What's not rational about that?

 

Sounds fine to me - the alternative seems to be to force the costs of those who won't cover themselves on others.

 

Now, if you want to go with my "implant a chip saying not to scrape me off the road" idea, then that makes sense too. But the government is attempting to take care of the general welfare and happiness and health of the people. How dare they???

 

No, they are not. The differences between programs like Social Security, in which government taxes and spends to promote the general welfare and a program like the new health care bill, in which the government is regulating interstate commerce, are clear to anyone who has looked into the powers of our federal government. If you look into them one day, you too may understand the difference. Possibly.

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

Wardrobe from the business line (new this spring) from Coutoure by Amin.

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

 

Do any of your suits sport service stripes on the sleeves?

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

 

 

The Public Health Service is a branch of the Uniformed Services. They wear uniforms similar to the Navy's. Yes, they wear them every day at work....

 

In fact, the USPHScommissioned officer ranks as the United States Navy Coast Gaurd and NOAA all the way from ensign to Admiral. You see them all the time in Bethesda, MD

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

 

Do any of your suits sport service stripes on the sleeves?

 

We're going to get into personal questions? OK. What's your name?

 

Don't go all Clarence Thomas on me on that one! Disclosure is good! ;)

 

FWIW, I'm not all that impressed with West and wearing medals strikes me as tinpot dictator behavior. It struck me that way with Koop too. I know his uniform is legitimate, but he's an Admiral of Public Health. It's not OK to be amused by that?

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

 

 

The Public Health Service is a branch of the Uniformed Services. They wear uniforms similar to the Navy's. Yes, they wear them every day at work....

 

In fact, the USPHScommissioned officer ranks as the United States Navy Coast Gaurd and NOAA all the way from ensign to Admiral. You see them all the time in Bethesda, MD

NOAA has more admirals than ships.

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

 

 

The Public Health Service is a branch of the Uniformed Services. They wear uniforms similar to the Navy's. Yes, they wear them every day at work....

 

In fact, the USPHScommissioned officer ranks as the United States Navy Coast Gaurd and NOAA all the way from ensign to Admiral. You see them all the time in Bethesda, MD

NOAA has more admirals than ships.

That is admirable. West is still a Nutter 1st Class.

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There are 216 Admirals (flag officers) in the Navy.

There are around 400 active duty ships.

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

Yeah, I can. They just had a whole big thing about it at the Supreme Court. Obama didn't do it by himself. James Madison helped.

 

You see, everyone participates in the health care market, so everyone should have to buy government-approved insurance in that market. Failure to do so affects interstate commerce, just like growing your own cannabis plants for personal medical use or having a gun near a school. What's not rational about that?

Regulating is not a "take over"

have state governments "taken over" car insurance? Has the Federal Government taken over the Airlines, chicken farming, oil companys, mining companys etc.? If you disagree with the mandate then say so, this canard about a "government takeover" is just not true

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Used to be, you wouldn't expect to see this sort of thing on anyone but a Soviet (or Satellite there of) general. The Brits (or brits -lower case for the lesser wannabe states? I dunno..) do that shit, but it's for white or black tie (that better be a bow tie the-ah, Guv'nah...eh wot?) events only.

 

mv1zjp.jpg

 

Anybody remember seeing this before? I mean, in murika??

 

Yeah, I thought this was weird at the time:

 

Vice Admiral C. Everett Koop, USPHS

 

220px-C_Everett_Koop.jpg

 

An Admiral of Public Health?

 

Dr. Moe can claim that title here on the forum for amusement purposes, but I'm pretty sure Koop was serious.

 

Do any of your suits sport service stripes on the sleeves?

 

We're going to get into personal questions? OK. What's your name?

 

Don't go all Clarence Thomas on me on that one! Disclosure is good! ;)

 

FWIW, I'm not all that impressed with West and wearing medals strikes me as tinpot dictator behavior. It struck me that way with Koop too. I know his uniform is legitimate, but he's an Admiral of Public Health. It's not OK to be amused by that?

 

Well wipe your eyes and blow your nose. When you get done crying over the awful way you are being treated, listen up. Ya might learn something.

 

You have it right, it's not kosher to be wearing ones medals on a business suit. This says something about the man. There is another indication, like he could have used his ribbons instead of displaying his danglies, like Koop did, that he is doing that to play something up for ignorant civilians.

 

There has been a tread in recent times for military people to dress with every bit of junk they ever collected. It's typically a lot of stuff these days, the brass likes to hand out merit badges like candy to kids within our current institutional culture. It's impossible to get to the level in the military where your picture in uniform is in the news on a regular basis without collecting a metric shitload. See David Petraeus. Now look at his fellow classmate from the illustrious West Point class of 73', Stan McCrystal. It's a clue as to what they believe is important. How they think.

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Do any of your suits sport service stripes on the sleeves?

 

We're going to get into personal questions? OK. What's your name?

 

Don't go all Clarence Thomas on me on that one! Disclosure is good! ;)

 

FWIW, I'm not all that impressed with West and wearing medals strikes me as tinpot dictator behavior. It struck me that way with Koop too. I know his uniform is legitimate, but he's an Admiral of Public Health. It's not OK to be amused by that?

 

Well wipe your eyes and blow your nose. When you get done crying over the awful way you are being treated, listen up. Ya might learn something.

 

You have it right, it's not kosher to be wearing ones medals on a business suit. This says something about the man. There is another indication, like he could have used his ribbons instead of displaying his danglies, like Koop did, that he is doing that to play something up for ignorant civilians.

 

There has been a tread in recent times for military people to dress with every bit of junk they ever collected. It's typically a lot of stuff these days, the brass likes to hand out merit badges like candy to kids within our current institutional culture. It's impossible to get to the level in the military where your picture in uniform is in the news on a regular basis without collecting a metric shitload. See David Petraeus. Now look at his fellow classmate from the illustrious West Point class of 73', Stan McCrystal. It's a clue as to what they believe is important. How they think.

 

Geez, I was just having a little fun with your question, not complaining about anything.

 

I'm unimpressed by military stuff on civilians. West wearing his medals as a campaign stunt makes me think less of him, not more. I'd feel the same way about ribbons. I think calling the Attorney General "General" is also silly. And I still have not gotten my head around the Surgeon General being anything but a civilian. Knowing he is technically not a civilian doesn't really help.

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

You just don't get it. He handed it to the INSURANCE industry based on the Romney model. Had he gone for the single-payer option, that would have been handing it over to the government.

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

You just don't get it. He handed it to the INSURANCE industry based on the Romney model. Had he gone for the single-payer option, that would have been handing it over to the government.

Even that's a stretch. Providers would still have been private. Health Insurance Companies force me to like Single Payer.

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Do any of your suits sport service stripes on the sleeves?

 

We're going to get into personal questions? OK. What's your name?

 

Don't go all Clarence Thomas on me on that one! Disclosure is good! ;)

 

FWIW, I'm not all that impressed with West and wearing medals strikes me as tinpot dictator behavior. It struck me that way with Koop too. I know his uniform is legitimate, but he's an Admiral of Public Health. It's not OK to be amused by that?

 

Well wipe your eyes and blow your nose. When you get done crying over the awful way you are being treated, listen up. Ya might learn something.

 

You have it right, it's not kosher to be wearing ones medals on a business suit. This says something about the man. There is another indication, like he could have used his ribbons instead of displaying his danglies, like Koop did, that he is doing that to play something up for ignorant civilians.

 

There has been a tread in recent times for military people to dress with every bit of junk they ever collected. It's typically a lot of stuff these days, the brass likes to hand out merit badges like candy to kids within our current institutional culture. It's impossible to get to the level in the military where your picture in uniform is in the news on a regular basis without collecting a metric shitload. See David Petraeus. Now look at his fellow classmate from the illustrious West Point class of 73', Stan McCrystal. It's a clue as to what they believe is important. How they think.

 

Geez, I was just having a little fun with your question, not complaining about anything.

 

I'm unimpressed by military stuff on civilians. West wearing his medals as a campaign stunt makes me think less of him, not more. I'd feel the same way about ribbons. I think calling the Attorney General "General" is also silly. And I still have not gotten my head around the Surgeon General being anything but a civilian. Knowing he is technically not a civilian doesn't really help.

 

The symbol of our creep towards militarism and imperial pretentiousness worthy of attack:

 

"Homeland" Security.

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

You just don't get it. He handed it to the INSURANCE industry based on the Romney model. Had he gone for the single-payer option, that would have been handing it over to the government.

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

 

The INSURANCE industry will now offer products approved by Congress, covering what Congress wants covered and charging what Congress says is fair. But they can control Congress, right?

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

You just don't get it. He handed it to the INSURANCE industry based on the Romney model. Had he gone for the single-payer option, that would have been handing it over to the government.

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

 

The INSURANCE industry will now offer products approved by Congress, covering what Congress wants covered and charging what Congress says is fair. But they can control Congress, right?

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

 

Are you suggesting that corporations vote?

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Can you rationally explain how Obama handed over the health care sector to the government?

 

You just don't get it. He handed it to the INSURANCE industry based on the Romney model. Had he gone for the single-payer option, that would have been handing it over to the government.

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

 

The INSURANCE industry will now offer products approved by Congress, covering what Congress wants covered and charging what Congress says is fair. But they can control Congress, right?

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

Why will ObamaCare change the fact of whether or not Corporations control Congress?

That's more of an empirical fact—Corporations do in fact control Congress.

ObamaCare doesn't give Corporations a Constitutional right to control Congress.

That right was granted in Citizens United.

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The INSURANCE industry will now offer products approved by Congress, covering what Congress wants covered and charging what Congress says is fair. But they can control Congress, right?

 

Who is the tiger and who is holding the tail?

 

Do you mean like the aviation industry offering planes approved by Congress and the drug companies offering pills approved by congress and the car companies offering cars approved by Congress and our industries putting out pollution levels approved by congress?

 

Or something else?B)

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