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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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AC Youth Cup

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Watched it three times...

Amazing what has developed in a very short period of time.

Lucky kids!

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I would have loved sailing that at his age !

 

BTW, the Flying Phantom project date from 2010 and Martin Fisher worked on the FP. Do we know if they flied before or after TNZ? who inspired whom ?

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Wasn't it you who famously claimed several times that the Red Bull YAC would result in total disaster - young kids could never tame the AC45's ?

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Who was it that actually pulled the plug on the "money" race? The "Red Bull YAC" final?

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Exceeded the upper wind limits established for the "youths"....

...and where did those upper wind limits originate?

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Part of the whole arrangement before the start of the Youth series.

Search the SI's and other documents if you find the need. They were firmly in place before the start of the first race in that series.

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Part of the whole arrangement before the start of the Youth series.

Search the SI's and other documents if you find the need. They were firmly in place before the start of the first race in that series.

You are not providing any information, why are you responding?

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Here watch the last race and the cancelled race:

 

 

Upper wind limit for the last race was 18.6 knots.

 

For your own sake, jhc use a search engine and go find out what you want to know specifically.

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"For your own sake, jhc use a search engine and go find out what you want to know specifically." (fs)

 

No way! And miss all this acrimony?

 

You still have not provided any information pertinent to my question, though you have upped the band width a lot with that you-tube link.

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I was considering saying, "Jesus H. Christ! Look it up yourself."

 

Your first question was, "Who was it that actually pulled the plug on the "money" race?"

My answer was perhaps not clear enough.

The race committee, "pulled the plug". The reason was the wind speed exceeded the wind limits in place for the regatta. That speed was 18.6 knots for the second race as discussed in the video posted.

 

Your second query, "..and where did those upper wind limits originate?"

The limits were presumably written by the Organizing Authority.

 

What are you really asking?

 

If you want anything more specific then, JHC, do your own research.

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He may post as JHC but he's more an 800lb gorilla. With a low, receding forehead.. :)

Sometimes it's like walking into a Monty Python skit around here.

 

I thought this was a pretty benign thread. Simple question about why a race was cancelled, simple answer.....

 

 

It's always gotta be more convoluted than it seems. :ph34r:

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A shortage of facts, and long on acrimony. And mr. ray chiming in as well.

 

You two must be brothers.

 

...Jesus H. Christ!

 

I kind of like that.

 

Just who is the "Organizing Authority" anyway?

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If that's the next JC question, maybe look up 'God'?

 

Saw it in Wiki somewhere but definitely lost the link some time back..

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If that's the next JC question, maybe look up 'God'?

 

Saw it in Wiki somewhere but lost the link some time back..

Still my first question actually.

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Lighten up, there's fuck all else going on around here these days. It's the silly season and you fit right in so even you can locate a bar stool and find a gap. Just don't expect priority treatment from the wench.

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Lighten up? Nameless authorities, taking the wind from the ac youth's sails, just as they were to make the big time!

 

Heads should roll!

 

Lifetime bans!

 

WTF?

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TNZ crews took 1st and 2nd in the ACYC. Very impressive. What is up your ass?

 

Never mind.. (Yikes)

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I have discussed these events with other authorities. Powerful organizing authorities. There are lifetime banns issued to (almost) all the youth involved with "youth ac '13". These poor youths will never, ever be allowed to perform in youth ac events again!

 

I call upon all good minded, and thoughtful sea lawyer types to make a stand, and rectify this travesty!

 

Take this matter to the top!

 

ISAF, US Sailing, AAU!

 

The youths were not the ones who exceeded the limits!

 

Was the Organizing Authority!

 

All noted in the above posts...Out in the open, with nothing hidden.

 

There is only one man who can save them, Peter Huston!

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Wasn't it you who famously claimed several times that the Red Bull YAC would result in total disaster - young kids could never tame the AC45's ?

Trolling again ? I never spoke of the Red Bull, I say the AC45 was as well suited to young kids as the Flying Phantom is to you. :D

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^^ I bow down to PH. Let Justice be Served.. :)

 

Jesus H Christ, who did you think was going to win that event? Burling and crew nailed it, the result would have been even bigger had the big-wind race been run.

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I feel the youth ac is a metaphor for the entire ac, as it stands today.

 

A great idea, that was carried out poorly, and a result that leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

 

If ac35's "organizing authority" who are by the way, the same players as ac34, are consistent, we the observers, and interested parties, are in for a similar f***** up as the last one. If they can even get it up off the ground.

 

There were some bright spots:

The boats

The venue

The final series

 

Two of those seem to be abandoned, with the third probably due to be changed also.

 

Seems a shame...

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oh..

So it is a skit, sorry, must have stepped through the wrong door...

 

Carry on then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

psst. who's the author? name of the play--skit?

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Wasn't it you who famously claimed several times that the Red Bull YAC would result in total disaster - young kids could never tame the AC45's ?

Trolling again ? I never spoke of the Red Bull.

Short memory eh ? Not the first time you've changed colors when questioned - you went on for awhile about this.

 

That's ok - I know the truth - keep your head in the sand :)

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These two old boys, who took the inside route and helped themselves to an AC45, are still doing pretty well ...

 

Double Olympic gold medallists Roman Hagara and Hans Peter Steinacher and their team on Red Bull Sailing Team have won the opening Act of the 2015 Extreme Sailing Series™, soaking up the pressure of expectation in front of the crowds in Singapore to become kings of Marina Bay after 32 hard fought races.

 

http://www.vsail.info/category/extreme-sailing-series/

 

I wonder if they'll get the nod to run the Bermuda YAC?

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They already have.RH and HPS will be running the 2017 YAC.

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^ Sauce?

 

;)

 

by the way, did they have the Red Bull sponsorship before their time running YAC? Did they in fact help bring RB in as sponsors - or is that something else they skimmed off?

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AC35 website, under "Youth America's Cup".

 

RH and HPS have been with Red Bull for years, sponsors for their ESS entry for as long as I can remember, from the series start I beleive.

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^ Thanks - should have looked myself. So did they initiate the Red Bull/YAC tie-up then do you know?

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I think (but don't know) that the relationship started with JS signing up with Red Bull and Red Bull suggested putting everyone together. The YAC was a natural marketing scheme for Red Bull.

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AC35 website, under "Youth America's Cup".

 

RH and HPS have been with Red Bull for years, sponsors for their ESS entry for as long as I can remember, from the series start I beleive.

 

Red Bull is Austrian, just like RH and HPS.

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Coutts eyes boat for Bermuda sailors

 

A Bermuda team could compete in the next Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

Sir Russell Coutts, the America’s Cup Event Authority and Oracle Team USA CEO, is believed to be keen to see Bermuda among the teams vying for Team New Zealand’s title at the next event, which will begin next year with qualifiers, with the final regatta taking place in 2017.

 

cont... http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20150427/SPORT30/150429778

 

Dispensing favours like a boss...

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Team Larry's 2nd tryout for Bermuda YAC today.

yea, wonder when the tryouts are scheduled for the american youth team, which Chainlocker assures us is firmly planned?

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156 candidats, une trentaine de pré-sélectionnés... le recrutement des jeunes talents de demain se poursuit avec la Fédération Française de Voile et l'École Nationale de Voile et des Sports Nautiques

 

and

 

 

4 nov. 2015

 

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Info filière : une sélection très engagée

 

Le 9 octobre dernier, l’ENVSN, la FFVoile, le Conseil Départemental du Morbihan, BIC Sport et Groupama Team France lançaient la première des trois salves de recrutement de jeunes régatiers d’un âge compris entre 18 et 23 ans. Sur les 156 dossiers déposés sur le site de la FFVoile, le jury en a retenu une trentaine qui participera aux épreuves de sélection à l’Ecole Nationale de Voile et des Sports Nautiques du 13 au 15 novembre prochain.


« Le nombre de candidats dépasse nos espérances, c’est bien plus que ce que nous imaginions à l’origine. L’intérêt pour ceprojet programmé sur trois ans a été exceptionnel » relate Isabelle Eynaudi, Directrice de l’ENVSN.

Cette première opération dedétection, sélection et de formationconstituera un vivier pour l’équipage qui portera les couleurs de la France lors de la Youth America’s Cup, en juin 2017, est inédite et rencontre un succès impressionnant :

Lui aussi détecté par une filière Espoir il y a plus de vingt ans, Franck Cammas est heureux de parrainer une opération pleine de sens pour le collectif Team France qui a pour ambition d’engager la France à long terme sur la Coupe de l’America afin de la gagner :

« C’est une réelle chance pour les jeunes d’accéder au plus haut niveau international en multicoque et sur des bateaux qui volent » confirme le skipper de Groupama Team France.


« La participation de la France à la Youth America’s Cup est importante car c’est très probablement parmi les jeunes que nous sélectionnons aujourd’hui que se trouveront les meilleurs équipiers de demain ».

Soutenu par BIC Sport qui a notamment acquis les trois Flying Phantom mis à disposition des jeunes, cette première phase de sélection a été pilotée par la Fédération avec le concours de l’ENVSN et de Groupama Team France.


« La détection des jeunes talents sur l’ensemble du territoire est l’un des savoirs faire dont la Fédération Française de Voile à la maîtrise. Nous étions confiants en lançant ce programme en association avec Groupama Team France et l’ENVSN que nous obtiendronsd’obtenir un franc succès auprès de ce public de jeunes sportifs. Nous sommes convaincus d’avoir sélectionnés 30 candidats à forts potentiels. » explique Jean Pierre Champion, Président de la FFVoile.

A l’issue de cette sélection, les jeunes sportifs s’engageront dans une saison de DIAM 24 ou de Flying Phantom en fonction de leurs orientations et de leur habileté :


« Le programme qui sera proposé aux douze candidats retenus est important avec une centaine de jours de navigation par an. Leur disponibilité était donc un des critères de sélection en plus de leur palmarès et de leur gabarit physique pour exploiter des bateaux physiquement très exigeants » précise Louis Viat, membre de Groupama Team France et double vainqueur de la Petite Coupe de l’America avec Franck Cammas.

Les heureux sélectionnés se retrouveront à l’ENVSN du 13 au 15 novembre pour trois jours de sélection. Au programme : des tests physiques, des entretiens individuels de motivation et enfin des navigations.

A l’issue de ces trois journées, les douze meilleurs seront qualifiés et entameront très rapidement les entrainements afin de préparer la saison 2016 :


« Ce projet est une suite logique pour BIC Sport qui accompagne les jeunes depuis près de 20 ans. Avec cette opération, c’est la voile du futur que nous soutenons durant les trois prochaines années, au-delà du programme Team France. Former les pratiquants et les futurs cadres qui enseigneront la voile de demain est l’une des missions de l’ENVSN et nous sommes évidemment ravis de constater le succès qu’elle rencontre » ajoute conclutThierry Verneuil.

Reste maintenant à la trentaine de jeunes sélectionnés à se préparer dans les meilleures conditions pour gagner leur sélection. Et pourquoi pas représenter quelques années la France sur la Coupe de l’America dans le sillage de Cammas, Desjoyeaux et Kersauson sur des bateaux qui volent jusqu’à trois fois la vitesse du vent ?

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and here they are, GTF Junior trimaran racers...

 

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Restait à dévoiler le nom des dix jeunes sélectionnés qui auront peut-être l’opportunité de représenter la France lors de la Youth America’s Cup qui se déroulera aux Bermudes en juin 2017. Cette opération, qui exprime à merveille l’engagement pérenne de l’association Team France, vise à développer leurs compétences en matière de multicoque à foils. Détectés collectivement par l’Ecole Nationale de Voile et des Sports Nautiques, la FFVoile, le département du Morbihan, Bic Sport et Team France, ces dix jeunes vont maintenant s’entraîner à l’ENVSN et régater à raison de 100 jours par an en Diam 24 et en Flying Phantom durant l’année 2016. Et pourquoi pas, dans le futur, succéder aux Cammas, Desjoyeaux et Kersauson à la tête du défi national Team France ?

Les 10 jeunes sélectionnés sont :


A/ En Diam 24 pour préparer le Tour de France à la Voile :
• Erwan Fischer Guillou
• Thibault Julien
• Robin Follin
• Sandro Lacan
• Timothé Lapauw
• Jules Dedegarray

B/ En Flying Phantom
• Robin Follin
• Sandro Lacan
• Jolan Neiras
• Antoine Rucard
• Tom Laperche
• Tim Mourniac

 

+ other more general quotes, as per the Nautic video http://groupamateamfrance.americascup.com/fr/news/190_Une-equipe-et-des-jeunes-en-action.html

 

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A look at the Red Bull RBYAC site indicates they are accepting 10 youth teams for 2017. And every indication I have from a couple of college team coaches is there will be a US team with announcements coming no later than February.

Hope this turns out to be true.

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Me too. At least one sailor from the USA RedBull team from last time has been taken into the sailing team. It's a nice trend a serves the purpose too.

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Red-Bull-hopefuls-put-through-their-pace

 

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http://www.bermuda.com/red-bull-hopefuls-put-through-their-paces/

 

30 Left Standing In Quest For Team Bermuda

In the wake of an intensive one-week training camp, 27 hopefuls will advance in the journey to become a part of Team BDA in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup. There were 46 vying for a spot on the team at the start of the camp on December 27, 2015.

 

Additionally, three candidates with pre-approved excused absences from the December camp are still viable and will be evaluated at the next training camp expected in March. That leaves 30 candidates alive in the selection process.

 

The group to advance to this point are an almost equal mix of sailors with competition experience and athletes who have met a series of demanding physical tests to advance in the process. The final team will be a mix or both sailors and athletes which is consistent with the composition of the modern-day America’s Cup teams.

RBYAC-Collage-30-Advance.jpg

 

more: http://bernews.com/2...quest-team-bda/

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https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.acbda.bm/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/RBYAC-FundR.pdf

 

 

2016

• Identify a squad of 18 of our best

sailors and athletes who, with intensive training

and coaching, will be equipped to compete with

the world’s best young sailors in one-design foiling

AC45 catamarans

• Final racing team will consist of 6 Red Bull Youth

America’s Cup squad members

• Team BDA will compete around the world on

the way to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup in

June 2017 played out on local waters.

 

 

 

I wonder what this last point is supposed to indicate, or is it just a misunderstanding?

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Hasn't the RBYAC being held in Bermuda in June '17 always been the arrangement?

 

try again...

 

• Team BDA will compete around the world on

 

the way to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup...

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I'm sure they are free to go compete in any kind of events anywhere around the world that they want to.

 

I see no implication made that they will be racing at ACWS events, if that's what you're trying to read into it.

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How's that american youth team doing in training? They getting out early and getting ahead of the curve? A priority for OR to help build the next generation of american sailors?

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If LE really wanted to help build the next generation of American sailors he'd be sponsoring some around the Olympic classes circuit, at a cost level that wouldn't even register in the context of an AC campaign.

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Notice of Race.....

 

and naturally 'Branding Guidlines' :lol:

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=YWNyYWNlbWd0LmNvbXxub3RpY2Vib2FyZHxneDo2M2VjMTEwN2UwZmZhZmRi

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=YWNyYWNlbWd0LmNvbXxub3RpY2Vib2FyZHxneDo1MjEyOWIzNjNiMmI0NmJi

 

plus...

 

Entry Application for Prospective Youth Teams (coming soon)

 

 

 

- Up to sixteen (16) Youth Teams will be divided into two (2) qualifying pools of equal or close to

equal numbers by the Red Bull Sports Director.
- Each Competitor in the 35th America’s Cup shall compete in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup
with a Youth Team representing the country of the Competitor’s challenging yacht club, save in
respect of the Defender, who has elected to represent the country of Bermuda in the Red Bull
Youth America’s Cup (each such Youth Team a “Competitor Youth Team”).
- Prospective youth teams from countries not represented by Competitors may apply.
- $40,000 + $25,000 bond + $13,500 + accom costs (via ACEA) + support boat costs (via ACEA or private)

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- Each Competitor in the 35th America’s Cup shall compete in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup

with a Youth Team representing the country of the Competitor’s challenging yacht club, save in
respect of the Defender, who has elected to represent the country of Bermuda in the Red Bull
Youth America’s Cup (each such Youth Team a “Competitor Youth Team”).
- Prospective youth teams from countries not represented by Competitors may apply.
- $40,000 + $25,000 bond + $13,500 + accom costs (via ACEA) + support boat costs (via ACEA or private)

 

so . . . that implies that OR is NOT supporting an American Youth team? Contrary to what Chainlocker has been telling us for months?

 

BAD on OR . . . BAD BAD BAD - please take away that 'team USA' title please.

 

If they choose to defend in Bermuda, train in Bermuda, support Bermuda youth (and boat build in NZ) . . . they can and should be team bermuda. And they should get a bermuda YC. GGYC is a total sham and has nothing at all to do with this any more.

 

Is there someone else in America stepping up to support a team to be one of the (potential) 16?

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Not that OR was sponsoring an American team, but there was going to be an American team.

ACEA is about 2 months late in the Notice Of Race and should have had the applications out by now.

The only thing that I appear wrong about was that the US team was supposed to be sponsored, either by OR or the ACEA, at least that is what I was led to understand. While very disapointed that OR is not sponsoring the US team (after all they sponsored 2 in the first, a US team and a home venue team), someone should have stepped up with the sponsorship. Now the question is can they raise the 78,500+ to enter.

There are several groups of US college sailors who are forming teams as before, but they now may have to consolidate.But the bottom line is that a US team will enter the frey.

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Without a team's support (eg OR) they will be under-coached and under-trained and (probably) under-resourced - it will be Amateur hour vs pro efforts and most likely just a waste of time - perhaps good for a little PR and some egos.

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At this point, only LRBAR and TF seem to have any interest in putting together a team to win the RBYAC.

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Are you dismissing the team from Bermuda for some reason?

 

& Full Tilt?

 

And the national teams that Softbank, Artemis and ETNZ have to support?

 

 

 

....also, there were 2 US teams last time, (2 from NZ as well IIRC), but are you positive they were both 'sponsored' by OTUSA?

 

and why do multiple efforts from the U.S. - now 'have to consolidate'? There is no limit on the number of candidate teams from each Nation.

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There is no limit to the number of teams, but there is a limit to sponsorship money in the US. It is my understanding 2 groups are now working together to raise some cash.

 

OR's commitment to win the RBYAC is questionable when looking back to the last cycle. They started out sponsoring 2 teams. AC45 the "US" entry and American Youth Sailing Force the "San Fran" entry. OR shut the doors on their RBYAC program in June, shutting out the teams and leaving them on their own 3 months before the event

 

ETNZ sponsored 1 team NZL with Burling. The other team Full Metal Jacket (Tiller) entered on their own and went thru the February Qualifiers (sponsored teams were automatic)

 

My statement just reflects what I see is a committment to win and nothing else. ETNZ is in a partnership with TILT and will be running NZ candidates thru that program. Seems a bit diluted compared to LRBAR (who seems most committed) with their ESS entry or TF who are bringing youth candidates directly into their program, sailing their GC32's with BP coaching.

AR has a youth program with Artemis Youth but where they go, I dont know. They certainly have the resources to buy or charter 2 GC32's and even bring in LP to coach.

Have no idea what SBTJ has planned with their small staff. They did show a branded GC32 back on Sagami, but thats it.

That is just how I see it at this point. It can and probably will change. A lot of things about this cup cycle are looking better than they did only a few months ago.

Except the LV " Americs" Cup in Oman.

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^ 2 groups are working together - so are now one group? And are there any other potential US teams or not?

 

This http://www.sailingworld.com/team-tilt-announces-partnership-with-emirates-team-new-zealand makes it clear that Full Tilt and Team NZ both plan to enter teams in the RBYAC. And that the FT crew will be coached by GA at times.

 

but no mention of.... ETNZ is in a partnership with TILT and will be running NZ candidates thru that program ??

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^^ That is a condensed article from the original. The original article stated that ETNZ would be sending candidates from their program to sail with TILT during the ESS.

And yes they will be sponsoring a team. But as seen from the last youth event, sponsorship and support are two different things.

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The one on Emirates own site is identical http://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/en/news/157_A-NEW-PARTNERSHIP-WITH-SWISS-TEAM-TILT.html

 

so, how many US teams?

did OTUSA sponsor 2 teams last time or not?

do you have an issue with ETNZ's effort last time (the fact that 3 of the 6 sailors are now on the team suggests they were happy enough) or just tarring everyone with the same brush?

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As I cannot find the original article (at least in the format originally published) and with that, I will gladly revise my statement of ETNZ running candidates thru the TILT ESS program.

 

I have no problems with how ETNZ supported or ran their RBYAC program in 2013. They had one of the most talented helmsman in the sport, no matter what age, on that boat. Burling could have probably outclassed the whole group with no help.

 

As stated OR sponsored 2 teams, one US team and 1 "Home Port" and for some reason closed down the program in June, before the September series. These two teams did not have to qualify. If you want to consider them unsponsored at this time, have at it.

 

With everything thing said, I still think that LRBAR and TF are showing the most COMMITMENT TO WIN the RBYAC. That is all.

 

As far as US teams, at this time I know of only 1 group (they were separate up until now) now who are actively seeking sponsorship. I wish them luck. My feeling is that OR and the ACEA did a disservice to the young sailors of the US in leaving them without an automatic entry. I feel that, correctly, the Authority should have sponsored Bermuda, and OR a US squad.

 

However with OR's record from 2013, are they really any help more than a no qualifing entry?

 

As for AR and SBTJ it is yet to be seen what level of commitment they are willing or able to make to their "potential" squads.

 

I wish ETNZ and TILT all the luck in the world and I believe they will do well. I also feel the tighter, more concentrated efforts of (especially) LRBAR and TF will produce better results as things stand now.

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You would think that with the talent ETNZ recruited all the others rather than just a couple might be trying harder to find future crew this way too. But then again with the present low nationality % for AC crews there isn't any urgent need to find 'citizens'.

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That is a very good point, although right now, I beleive (aside from NZ) AUS, GB, FR, ESP and are leading in developing their young talent with a couple of other N. European nations on a good start.

 

Does the US even have a real organized plan to get competitive in the newer "high-speed" apparent wind classes such as the 49er or Nacra? College sailing in the US is still basically Laser and 420 and development of talent beyond that seems almost non-exsistant when compared the rest of the industrialized world.

 

There was a time, many years ago, when I thought that US sailing was healthy and developing. Today, it seems stagnant. Yes, we still produce good talent, but not on the level or quantity a nation of our size, weatlth and ability should.

 

Not that the US should dominate, but that we should be competing at a higher level in the developing classes than we do today.

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Double Olympic champions Roman Hagara and Hans Peter Steinacher are searching for the sailing stars of the future.

A global talent search that puts the next generation of sailors on next generation sailboats, Red Bull Foiling Generation has it all: passionate young athletes, Gold medal mentors, spectacular settings and 'foils' that makes the watercrafts feel like an aeroplane. The new series hits Auckland shores for the first stop of 2016 at Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron, Westhaven Marina on March 3-6.

The series gives wings to 16 ambitious two-person sailing teams aged between16-20, introducing them to the cutting-edge foiling technology used in the America's Cup. Foiling Generation gives the sharpest youth sailors the opportunity to compete in the "new way of sailing," with a new class of multi-hull boats called the Flying Phantom.

more... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11593826

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^^ Pay attention to this application. There are right and wrong answers to the first two questions "Country" and "Team Name". You will only be given one opportunity to get it right or you will not be permitted to procede to Page 2.

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Red Bull Youth America’s Cup to bring top youth sailors together for intense competition

The Red Bull Youth America’s Cup will bring the best national youth teams to Bermuda for racing in 2017 during the 35th America’s Cup.

Six youth crews will compete in Bermuda through their affiliation with current America’s Cup teams. Up to 10 additional teams will be selected by Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Sport Directors Roman Hagara and Hans-Peter Steinacher before the end of the November 2016.

These top teams will then race in a Qualifying Series to determine the top eight who will face off in two days of fleet racing scheduled during the week between the America’s Cup Finals. All racing in Bermuda will be in the same one-design AC45F foiling catamarans the America’s Cup teams compete with in the Louis Vuitton America’s Cup World Series.






The selection of crews for the Qualifying Series in Bermuda in 2017 will be made by the double Olympic Gold Medalists Roman Hagara and Hans-Peter Steinacher.

“In 2013 we proved the talent level of the sailors in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup, with Peter Burling, the winner, now helming the Emirates Team New Zealand’s America’s Cup challenge to the top of the leaderboard,” said Hagara.

“And he’s not the only one: Blair Tuke and Guy Endean are also with the Kiwi team; Cooper Dressler has joined ORACLE TEAM USA and Luke Parkinson is with Artemis Racing. For 2017 we are focused on bringing in more sailors, from more countries, and I’m sure down the road we will see even more making the move from the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup event into the America’s Cup.”

“The challenge gets even harder and more exciting as we add the foiling element to the equation,” said Steinacher, talking about the AC45F foiling catamarans. “I know we will be pushing these sailors outside their comfort zones, but that is why this is so compelling for the athletes.”

The inaugural Red Bull Youth America’s Cup champion was a Kiwi team skippered by Peter Burling, now the helmsman of Emirates Team New Zealand. He has advice for aspiring teams.

“It’s a great opportunity and you have to make the most of it,” he said from Oman this week, where he has helmed Emirates Team New Zealand to the top of the overall Louis Vuitton America’s Cup World Series leaderboard. “You may only get one opportunity like this – get out there and have fun.”

“I have no doubt the teams that make it to Bermuda are going to feature some of the best young sailors in the world,” said Jimmy Spithill (AUS), skipper of ORACLE TEAM USA. “There is now a pathway that leads to the America’s Cup and the first step is with the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.”

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Are you harder than the All Blacks?

No question!

 

Oh dear...now you've done it Jimmy.......

 

 

 

These sailors might be sport’s toughest athletes

Oracle Team USA skipper Jimmy Spithill details the exhausting demands on his America’s Cup team.
:lol:

 

http://www.redbull.com/en/stories/1331779863478/jimmy-spithill-interview-americas-cup-oracle-team-usa

 

If you included his answer in entirety, you would get the context. He means 'no question' as in "no fucking way [are we harder than the all blacks]."

 

I agree though, it is a misleading use of the phrase "no question."

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"Are you harder than the All Blacks?
No question! They’re a great example of a great sporting team.
All the other teams have the physical skills, but they as a team are able to operate together the best, and ultimately that’s what we need to do in the America’s Cup."

 

That's it in it's entirety. Whoever put this promotional fluff piece together was an idiot. The question and answer above do nothing but make JS look like a cretin, or arrogant or indecisive or all of the above. If they're going to publish this stuff, they should polish the turd so it doesn't look quite so much like a turd...

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Jimmy Spithill (AUS), skipper of ORACLE TEAM USA, which is sponsoring Bermuda youth (and not USA youth)

 

Jimmy has an american wife - would have been relatively easy to and he could at least have gotten dual passports

 

Would have been nice if "Team USA" had supported USA youth rather than or in addition to Bermuda.

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Are you harder than the All Blacks?

No question!

 

Oh dear...now you've done it Jimmy.......

 

 

 

These sailors might be sports toughest athletes

Oracle Team USA skipper Jimmy Spithill details the exhausting demands on his Americas Cup team.

 

:lol:

 

http://www.redbull.com/en/stories/1331779863478/jimmy-spithill-interview-americas-cup-oracle-team-usa

If you included his answer in entirety, you would get the context. He means 'no question' as in "no fucking way [are we harder than the all blacks]."

 

I agree though, it is a misleading use of the phrase "no question."

bingo. He clearly answered it as if the question was raising the point that the AB's are 'hard' and he agreed that point in his response rather than answering the more literal question. To me it's more an intuitive response than what it looks like in writing.

 

But this all misses the larger point anyway, which is that the AC teams of this cycle really are pretty dang physical.

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"Are you harder than the All Blacks?"

- a fairly easy to understand question.

 

"No question!"

- Yes we are! In Jimmy's deluded mind there is no question that OR sailors are "harder" than the All Blacks.

 

"They’re a great example of a great sporting team."

- Correct.

 

"All the other teams have the physical skills, but they as a team are able to operate together the best, and ultimately that’s what we need to do in the America’s Cup."
- Interpretation 1: We're better as a team than anyone else, because we're harder than the All Blacks.
- Interpretation 2: We need to be a better team than anyone else, so no, you can't compare us to the All Blacks yet.
- Interpretation 3: I don't know what to think - no one has told me that yet!
Messy PR piece.

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Forget the ABs -

 

These sailors might be sports toughest athletes
Oracle Team USA skipper Jimmy Spithill details the exhausting demands on his Americas Cup team.

 

BA is losing mass as fast as he can - so it can be added to the team where it will do some good.

Jimmy should be following his example, he probably is, but also probably finds it pretty hard to leave the naked muscle photoshoots behind and revert back to being a skinny ginge'

No more cross training records please...

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^ Doesn't sound like they are recruiting for the AC45s there, given the physical requirements mentioned. Are any BDA females likely to meet those?

 

Have they lost the plot? Just a couple of dinky winches and an uphaul/downhaul or two - it's not a hamster-powered ACC boat.

He even mentions the recruitment for the AC teams (& not as if that the guys mentioned being recruited for OTaUStrAlia and Softbank have even made it onto the final crews yet)

 

Good agility and balance would seem just as important as muscle and height - to say nothing of sailing skill and communication.

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Here they are, the final 15!!!! Well done guys, you will make ‪#‎Bermuda‬ proud!

 

Connor Astwood, Edmund Cooper, Peter Dill, Preston Farrow, Na'eem Griffith, Philip Hagen, Kalin Hillier, Mustafa Ingham,

 

Emily Nagel, Daniel Pell, Nicholas Pell, Owen Siese, Dimitri Stevens, Shomari Warner and Cecilia Wollmann.

 

We would also like to pay thank to all those who missed out, as Jane Savage, chairperson of the Team BDA Red Bull Youth America’s Cup committee, said: “I want to acknowledge the effort and commitment of those who are not advancing. All of them are talented, impressive young Bermudians who, as a result of this process, are better prepared for success in whatever they attempt next.”
‪#‎supportteambda‬

 

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Team-BDA-Profile-Emily-Nagel.jpg

 

A: My name is Emily Nagel, I am 22-years-old and currently in my fourth year at the University of Southampton, UK, completing my Masters in Engineering with Naval Architecture. I am hoping to work within High Performance Yacht Design having specialised in Yacht and Small craft in my final years at Southampton.

 

 

etc http://bernews.com/2016/04/dd-youth-americas-cup-profile-emily-nagel/

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So these guys are in for the next RBYAC - supported by ETNZ. Will there be a Kiwi Youth team as well? Has anyone heard?

 

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seems likely...

 

26.2. Teams: Each Competitor must compete in the Youth America’s Cup

event(s) in one (1) AC45 Yacht, representing the country of its challenging

yacht club (or, in the case of the Defender, at its discretion, the country of

the Venue of the Match), to be sailed by six (6) crew in each case. ACEA

may also accept other youth teams from other countries.

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ACEA may also accept other youth teams from other countries.

 

Still a chance for USA.

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Land Rover BAR Academy Announces Team http://www.landroverbar.com/en/news/269_Land-Rover-BAR-Academy-Announces-Team.html

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Land Rover BAR Academy
William Alloway: Age 20, from Leicester
Sam Batten: Age 22, from Llandough, South Wales
Rob Bunce: Age 22, from Swindon
Owen Bowerman: Age 19, from Portsmouth
Oli Greber: Age 20, from Eastbourne
Neil Hunter: Age 21, from Irvine, Scotland
Adam Kay: Age 20, from Southampton

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Strange that they still seem to be promoting registrations - even though they were supposed to close a couple of days ago. Empty slots?

 

https://video-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t43.1792-2/13596716_1558957321073322_1112525471_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjIwNzcsInJsYSI6MjQzMywidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJzdmVfaGQifQ%3D%3D&rl=2077&vabr=1385&oh=5793a9a840c8c3720369fa010abdae48&oe=57792BFE

 

Six youth crews will compete in Bermuda through their affiliation with current America’s Cup teams. Up to 10 additional teams will be selected by Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Sport Directors Roman Hagara and Hans-Peter Steinacher.

Provisional schedule 2017:

Qualifiers 1 - June 13 - 14

Qualifiers 2 - June 16, June 19

Finals - June 21 - 22

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