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Join us in our journey to be selected as one of 13 teams to represent their countries in the first ever Youth America's Cup in San Francisco 2013.

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Join us in our journey to be selected as one of 13 teams to represent their countries in the first ever Youth America's Cup in San Francisco 2013.

Just now noticed the 'one of 13 teams' - wonder if it's accurate as the new limit?

 

KJ's list above would grow to ten possibilities iirc, if BVI were added. Fast start on the interest, hope most can make it.

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No reason they can't all get to the February trials. Only reason a team would miss out on these (other than lack of funds) is if their country's AC team owns 2 AC45s ie Luna Rosa and Artemis and chooses to put youth teams on both, which will max out the 2 per country rule. Assuming a country has one or no ACWS boats then there is no limit to them entering the trials. In fact funds permitting, Team Australia are hoping to send multiple crews to the trials.

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I wonder how and when these guys are supposed to get access to a 45 to train. ETNZ is not supporting it so difficult to see how this is supposed to work. If Dean can tip one over in 11 knots how are "kids" supposed to deal with them?

 

 

 

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Join us in our journey to be selected as one of 13 teams to represent their countries in the first ever Youth America's Cup in San Francisco 2013.

Just now noticed the 'one of 13 teams' - wonder if it's accurate as the new limit?

 

KJ's list above would grow to ten possibilities iirc, if BVI were added. Fast start on the interest, hope most can make it.

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An update at the Force (are showing some other sponsors there too)

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The American Youth Sailing Force would like to formally welcome Samson Ropes to the team. This is another big step forward for everyone involved at AYSF as the prospect of representing the U.S. in the first ever RedBull Youth America's Cup becomes a reality.

 

-"Samson is happy for the opportunity to become a part of the team in the upcoming Youth America's Cup program."-David Kruppa, Marine Sales Manager.

 

-"I'm really happy to be working with the awesome people at Samson Ropes, we couldn't have asked for a better rope company to work with and I seriously look forward to the great things to come of this partnership."-Ian Andrewes, AYSF Team Manager.

 

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The American Youth Sailing Force would like to formally welcome Samson Ropes to the team. This is another big step forward for everyone involved at AYSF as the prospect of representing the U.S. in the first ever RedBull Youth America's Cup becomes a reality.

 

-"Samson is happy for the opportunity to become a part of the team in the upcoming Youth America's Cup program."-David Kruppa, Marine Sales Manager.

 

 

:rolleyes: somehow this reminded me of part of the gospel (John 2 , 13-...)

The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers at their business.

And making a whip of cords, he drove them all, with the sheep and oxen, out of the temple; and he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.

And he told those who sold the pigeons, "Take these things away; you shall not make my Father's house a house of trade."

B)

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Revised Event Notice

 

http://noticeboard.americascup.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/EventNotice-RedBullYouthAC-150712.pdf

 

1. SELECTION

 

1.1. Teams may apply for entry to ACRM, from July 15, 2012 until September 20, 2012, by:

(a) e-mailing YouthAC@AmericasCup.com requesting instructions to access the online

application form; and

(b ) paying an application deposit of US $5,000 to ACEA, within seven days of submitting

the online application. Payment instructions are detailed on the application form. If the

entry is accepted, the deposit will go towards the entry fee. If not accepted, the deposit

will be returned in full.

 

1.2. The ACRM Regatta Director will determine if teams are accepted or not. The ACRM Regatta

Director will review candidate applications and will accept (at his sole discretion) those he is

satisfied have a reasonable chance of winning the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

 

1.3. Current ACWS teams supplying an AC45 yacht to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup have

the first right to enter a team representing their country subject to clause 1.2 above. Up to

two teams per country will be accepted except that the City of San Francisco, the Host City,

may have one additional entry.

 

1.4. New teams may enter the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup by purchasing or acquiring their

own AC45 yacht, provided there are not two teams from their country already entered and

subject to clause 1.2 above. These teams will have priority acceptance over teams entering

without an AC45.

 

1.5. Teams without an AC45 may apply as an independent entry. ACRM will secure at least four

boats for independent entries. Independent entries will be assessed and invited to participate

in a training and selection series in February 2013 in Asia. Invites will be issued no later than

December 2012. At the culmination of this selection series, no less than four successful

teams will be accepted to participate in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

 

1.6. Entry fee:

(a) If the entry is accepted, an entry fee of US $35,000 shall be paid to ACRM by or on

behalf of the team, within thirty days of acceptance.

(b ) Teams that are accepted must also provide to ACRM a damage deposit bond of US

$25,000 by July 1, 2013 in the form to be notified by ACRM.

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1.4. New teams may enter the Red Bull Youth America's Cup by purchasing or acquiring their

own AC45 yacht,

 

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I wonder what this part means in terms of "Asia". Will the 45's be used for this training and selection event? Would this be in connection with an ACWS event?

 

1.5. Teams without an AC45 may apply as an independent entry. ACRM will secure at least four

boats for independent entries. Independent entries will be assessed and invited to participate

in a training and selection series in February 2013 in Asia. Invites will be issued no later than

December 2012. At the culmination of this selection series, no less than four successful

teams will be accepted to participate in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

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1.2. The ACRM Regatta Director will determine if teams are accepted or not. The ACRM Regatta

Director will review candidate applications and will accept (at his sole discretion) those he is

satisfied have a reasonable chance of winning the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

ah yes, this one has all the potential of opening yet another legalese can of worms, SAYC's youth team, where art thou ? :rolleyes:

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1.2. The ACRM Regatta Director will determine if teams are accepted or not. The ACRM Regatta

Director will review candidate applications and will accept (at his sole discretion) those he is

satisfied have a reasonable chance of winning the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

ah yes, this one has all the potential of opening yet another legalese can of worms, SAYC's youth team, where art thou ? :rolleyes:

I'm here, though I have to wait a few years.....

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I wonder what this part means in terms of "Asia". Will the 45's be used for this training and selection event? Would this be in connection with an ACWS event?

 

1.5. Teams without an AC45 may apply as an independent entry. ACRM will secure at least four

boats for independent entries. Independent entries will be assessed and invited to participate

in a training and selection series in February 2013 in Asia. Invites will be issued no later than

December 2012. At the culmination of this selection series, no less than four successful

teams will be accepted to participate in the Red Bull Youth America's Cup.

 

BAR's (innacurate) list of ACWS dates doesn't even have a TBC for Feb 2013. Only event listed is May in Naples.

Venice is supposed to be in there as well. But certainly there's room for another event or two - and equatorial (or near) location would be best at that time of year.

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Team Australia

 

 

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I think I spotted a female sailor in there though.

 

Got me wondering if a/ the rules should have included a 'quota' of female yuffs or b/ if IM should make it clear that having female team members will move you up on the selection ladder?

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Spithill visits youths at Governor's Cup

POSTED ON 23 JULY 2012

 

ORACLE TEAM USA skipper Jimmy Spithill visited last weekend with the international crews competing at the 46th Governor's Cup International Youth Match Racing Championship for sailors under the age of 21 hosted by the Balboa Yacht Club (Corona del Mar, Calif.).

 

Spithill, who represented Royal Prince Alfred Yacht Club at the Governor's Cup in 1994 and 1996, spoke at the skippers' meeting on Saturday morning and afterwards visited with members of each team on the dock.

 

"It was great to see the next generation of match racers at the Governor's Cup. The Governor's Cup was my first match racing event and I did the bow, which is probably why we came 2nd!" said Spithill.

 

Fourteen years after his second appearance at the Governor's Cup, Spithill in 2010 became the youngest skipper to ever win the America's Cup, at age 30.

 

"I really take my hat off to Balboa Yacht Club for keeping it running for 46 years and providing youth sailors the opportunity to bigger things. It's highly likely some of these teams will be racing in the Red Bull Youth America's Cup next year."

 

The venerable America's Cup trophy also made an appearance at the Governor's Cup accompanied by Tom Ehman, Vice Commodore of the Golden Gate Yacht Club, who presented video of the AC45's ripping around racecourses to great cheers from the youth sailors.

http://www.americascup.com/en/Teams/ORACLE-TEAM-USA/Latest/Blog/2012/07-July/Spithill-visits-youths-at-Governors-Cup/

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Spithill visits youths at Governor's Cup

POSTED ON 23 JULY 2012

 

ORACLE TEAM USA skipper Jimmy Spithill visited last weekend with the international crews competing at the 46th Governor's Cup International Youth Match Racing Championship for sailors under the age of 21 hosted by the Balboa Yacht Club (Corona del Mar, Calif.).

 

Spithill, who represented Royal Prince Alfred Yacht Club at the Governor's Cup in 1994 and 1996, spoke at the skippers' meeting on Saturday morning and afterwards visited with members of each team on the dock.

 

"It was great to see the next generation of match racers at the Governor's Cup. The Governor's Cup was my first match racing event and I did the bow, which is probably why we came 2nd!" said Spithill.

 

Fourteen years after his second appearance at the Governor's Cup, Spithill in 2010 became the youngest skipper to ever win the America's Cup, at age 30.

 

"I really take my hat off to Balboa Yacht Club for keeping it running for 46 years and providing youth sailors the opportunity to bigger things. It's highly likely some of these teams will be racing in the Red Bull Youth America's Cup next year."

 

The venerable America's Cup trophy also made an appearance at the Governor's Cup accompanied by Tom Ehman, Vice Commodore of the Golden Gate Yacht Club, who presented video of the AC45's ripping around racecourses to great cheers from the youth sailors.

http://www.americasc...-Governors-Cup/

 

...the YAC is fleet racing

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Really good comments by the Force guys

 

 

The American Youth Sailing Force was formed first and foremost with the goal of representing the United States in the RedBull Youth America's Cup. The AYSF team represents the highest level of youth sailing in America and aims to prove that with steady determination, hard work and passion young American sailors can be a leading force on the international sailing circuit.

 

We intend to utilize the opportunity created by RedBull as a path for the next generation of young American sailors who want to compete in elite sailing events, and to inspire youth sailors across the nation to challenge themselves by setting and attaining ambitious goals. We are the future of sailing, and intend to prove that we are world-class sailors with real dedication and determination.

 

edit, several more: http://www.youtube.com/user/VinceSail/videos

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French Youth Team

Candidate Team - Equipe Candidate

Red Bull Youth America's Cup

September 1-6, 2013 - San Francisco, USA

 

Red Bull, la boisson énergisante, déjà présente dans la voile avec les Extreme Sailing Series, a décidé de lancer la Red Bull Youth America's Cup, s'associant à l'America's Cup Race Management et Oracle Team USA, syndicat détenteur du prestigieux trophée. La course, qui aura lieu du 1er au 6 septembre 2013 à San Francisco, en marge de la 34e America's Cup, sera disputée sur des catamarans AC45 à aile rigide utilisés sur le circuit des America's Cup World Series, et sera ouverte à des équipes nationales de 6 marins, âgés de 19 à 24 ans. Deux équipages par pays seront sélectionnés.

 

Notre objectif est de représenter les couleurs de la France avec 2 équipages à la Red Bull Youth America's Cup l'été prochain à San Francisco et de soulever le trophée. Notre équipe est composée de coureurs de haut niveau issus de la filière catamaran, chacun ayant une expérience des épreuves internationales. A ce noyau, se sont joints d'autres espoirs français issus du Skiff et du Match-Racing afin de présenter le défi le plus compétitif. Notre projet s'appuie sur une Association Loi 1901 nommée French Youth Team que nous avons créé dans un seul et unique but : sélectionner les meilleurs jeunes coureurs français pour la Red Bull Youth America's Cup, en leur apportant les moyens nécessaires à l'aboutissement du projet.

 

L'America's Cup est le plus ancien trophée disputé de nos jours. Elle porte le nom de la goélette américaine victorieuse qui, le 22 août 1851, dépassa le Yacht Royal dans le Solent, entre l'île de Wight et la côte anglaise. La Reine Victoria, qui assistait à la course, demanda qui était le second ; un serviteur lui répondit : "Majesté, il n'y a pas de second". De retour aux Etats-Unis, les vainqueurs léguèrent leur trophée au New York Yacht Club sous un Deed of Gift, un document certifiant que le trophée devrait être "perpétuellement remis en jeu à l'occasion d'un défi amical entre nations."

 

Ainsi naquit l'America's Cup, dont le détenteur actuel est le syndicat américain Oracle mené par le milliardaire Larry Ellison et le jeune barreur James Spithill. Ils défendront le prestigieux trophée en septembre 2013 à San Francisco face aux challengers.

 

Pour la première fois de l'histoire de l'America's Cup, les meilleurs espoirs mondiaux ont l'opportunité avec la Red Bull Youth America's Cup de prendre part à l'un des plus prestigieux trophées du monde du sport. La Red Bull Youth America's Cup se déroulera du 1er au 6 septembre 2013 à San Francisco (USA), au cœur de la 34e America's Cup.

 



Red Bull a souvent "donné des ailes" aux jeunes espoirs de différentes disciplines. Cet événement offre à une nouvelle génération de marins la possibilité d'accéder au top niveau de la voile mondiale tout en prenant en mains des machines extrêmes et ultra-performantes.

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French Youth Team

Candidate Team - Equipe Candidate

Red Bull Youth America's Cup

September 1-6, 2013 - San Francisco, USA

 

Red Bull, la boisson énergisante, déjà présente dans la voile avec les Extreme Sailing Series, a décidé de lancer la Red Bull Youth America's Cup, s'associant à l'America's Cup Race Management et Oracle Team USA, syndicat détenteur du prestigieux trophée. La course, qui aura lieu du 1er au 6 septembre 2013 à San Francisco, en marge de la 34e America's Cup, sera disputée sur des catamarans AC45 à aile rigide utilisés sur le circuit des America's Cup World Series, et sera ouverte à des équipes nationales de 6 marins, âgés de 19 à 24 ans. Deux équipages par pays seront sélectionnés.

 

Notre objectif est de représenter les couleurs de la France avec 2 équipages à la Red Bull Youth America's Cup l'été prochain à San Francisco et de soulever le trophée. Notre équipe est composée de coureurs de haut niveau issus de la filière catamaran, chacun ayant une expérience des épreuves internationales. A ce noyau, se sont joints d'autres espoirs français issus du Skiff et du Match-Racing afin de présenter le défi le plus compétitif. Notre projet s'appuie sur une Association Loi 1901 nommée French Youth Team que nous avons créé dans un seul et unique but : sélectionner les meilleurs jeunes coureurs français pour la Red Bull Youth America's Cup, en leur apportant les moyens nécessaires à l'aboutissement du projet.

 

L'America's Cup est le plus ancien trophée disputé de nos jours. Elle porte le nom de la goélette américaine victorieuse qui, le 22 août 1851, dépassa le Yacht Royal dans le Solent, entre l'île de Wight et la côte anglaise. La Reine Victoria, qui assistait à la course, demanda qui était le second ; un serviteur lui répondit : "Majesté, il n'y a pas de second". De retour aux Etats-Unis, les vainqueurs léguèrent leur trophée au New York Yacht Club sous un Deed of Gift, un document certifiant que le trophée devrait être "perpétuellement remis en jeu à l'occasion d'un défi amical entre nations."

 

Ainsi naquit l'America's Cup, dont le détenteur actuel est le syndicat américain Oracle mené par le milliardaire Larry Ellison et le jeune barreur James Spithill. Ils défendront le prestigieux trophée en septembre 2013 à San Francisco face aux challengers.

 

Pour la première fois de l'histoire de l'America's Cup, les meilleurs espoirs mondiaux ont l'opportunité avec la Red Bull Youth America's Cup de prendre part à l'un des plus prestigieux trophées du monde du sport. La Red Bull Youth America's Cup se déroulera du 1er au 6 septembre 2013 à San Francisco (USA), au cœur de la 34e America's Cup.

 



Red Bull a souvent "donné des ailes" aux jeunes espoirs de différentes disciplines. Cet événement offre à une nouvelle génération de marins la possibilité d'accéder au top niveau de la voile mondiale tout en prenant en mains des machines extrêmes et ultra-performantes.

 

 

Plenty of smoke and mirrors and not much substance from various quarters, tho no doubt moves are afoot behind the scenes.

 

This post refers to a plan to enter two French teams in the Red Bull event. But no names, at least for now. I'm relying here on Google translate so the post may actually be saying that French Youth is one of two teams.

 

Website is empty. www.frenchyouthteam.fr However we've had posts here previously from Vincent Gueho listing himself as CEO of the French Youth Team.

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Hi Everyone,

It's been a while since I have checked in here, so I wanted to give an update on the RBYAC Quest For The Cup campaign. Though we've been quiet, we have been very busy! Judge and Hans just wrapped up the team's 15th US National title at the 29er National Championship, and the weekend before, we had a team practice on the Gladstones ProSail 40 cat down in Long Beach. Gino Morelli, Dave Ullman, JJ Fetter, Howard Hamlin, John Sangmeister, and Mat Bryant all pitched in to coach us, which made the weekend extremely productive. We are working on plans for a visit to the ACWS next week where we will be driving some ribs around to help out. We are slowly getting more information on the cup and the selection process, but we believe that it's likely that we will know whether or not we are in by the middle of September. I will be writing an article on this soon, so stay tuned to www.teamqftc.com!

Best,

Willie McBride

Team QFTC Campaign Manager

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Hi Everyone,

It's been a while since I have checked in here, so I wanted to give an update on the RBYAC Quest For The Cup campaign. Though we've been quiet, we have been very busy! Judge and Hans just wrapped up the team's 15th US National title at the 29er National Championship, and the weekend before, we had a team practice on the Gladstones ProSail 40 cat down in Long Beach. Gino Morelli, Dave Ullman, JJ Fetter, Howard Hamlin, John Sangmeister, and Mat Bryant all pitched in to coach us, which made the weekend extremely productive. We are working on plans for a visit to the ACWS next week where we will be driving some ribs around to help out. We are slowly getting more information on the cup and the selection process, but we believe that it's likely that we will know whether or not we are in by the middle of September. I will be writing an article on this soon, so stay tuned to www.teamqftc.com!

Best,

Willie McBride

Team QFTC Campaign Manager

 

Thanks for the update - looks like a great day. What is the Artemis connection, I don't know the boat?

 

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The Facebook page from the Dutch team Flying Dutchies has gone live today, some very talented sailors in that group.

Make sure to "like" their page!

I think we will see quite a few of them in the front of the F18 Worlds fleet next month as well.

 

http://www.facebook.com/Flyingdutchies

 

New video just out:

 

Excellent - go Hollandaise!

 

This almost looks official.......

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but there have been no 'acceptances' made public yet right?

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The Red Bull motto is: "It gives you wings"

They have really taken it literally :)

 

Question is, will Travis Pastrana crew for them? ;)

 

They had Travis Rice out there yesterday for a guest ride along. Travis has the opportunity to pull eyeballs to the Sport of sailing. Not sure how the youth series will play out, but it's good to see RedBull in the mix since they know how to expose sport/market to a younger demographic - something sailing desparately needs to grow

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Hey everyone,

We've been busy at work sailing in cats to train for the RBYAC and Petey Crawford has put together a teaser video for more to come soon! Check it out:

 

Best,

Willie McBride

Quest For The Cup: Team USA Campaign Manager

www.teamqftc.com

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in bangkok the red bull founder's son

 

has been arrested for running down a bike cop

 

then driving away in his ferrari

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19464006

 

but meanwhile the company seems to be going from strength to strength

 

http://www.nzherald....llery_id=127697

 

an excellent sponsor for the future of sailing

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in bangkok the red bull founder's son

 

has been arrested for running down a bike cop

 

then driving away in his ferrari

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-19464006

 

but meanwhile the company seems to be going from strength to strength

 

http://www.nzherald....llery_id=127697

 

an excellent sponsor for the future of sailing

 

They are spending a bit there that's for sure.

 

Alternate link to the video (and an extra one featuring the same dudes just for fun)

 

Founder's son Dead co-founder's grandson!

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While other teams are busy sailing around with gigantic American flags, the American Youth Sailing Force was sending it on the SF city front racing the 2012 Nespresso International 18 ft Skiff Regatta.

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While other teams are busy sailing around with gigantic American flags, the American Youth Sailing Force was sending it on the SF city front racing the 2012 Nespresso International 18 ft Skiff Regatta.

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which has just been won by the nz team and new fast boat, article in sail-world

 

1 of the crew was chris kitchen, who along with his father roger are the weta trimaran people

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Bad link...try:

 

this old one http://www.sail-worl...y&ntid=88&rid=8

 

Or these if you know Swedish http://www.ksss.se/N...-YOUTH-PROGRAM/

http://www.ksss.se/N...-Youth-Program/

 

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The appeal of youth - looks like they already picked up their first sponsor!

 

19 hours ago https://www.facebook.com/ArtemisRacing

KSSS Youth experiencing their first day with the team. Gym workout and breakfast this morning followed by maintenance work.


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      Croll's Pizza Welcome to Alameda! Artemis, please bring KSSS Youth to Croll's for dinner on us! We'd be happy to host your young sailors for pizza at Alameda's historic pizzeria -- no charge. Get in touch with some days/times and our family of sailors would be happy to host your family of sailors. - Lorenzo
      13 hours ago · 2

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Some head cam footage from on board the SL33 "BridgeRunner" during the Rolex Big Boat Series featuring crew from the American Youth Sailing Force. Notice how hectic the short downwind run to the finish is with Russel and Jimmy trying to line up with us on their foiling 45s and all the ferry traffic. There's nothing like having to call starboard on the winning skipper of the last America's Cup.


Ian

www.americanyouthsailingforce.com

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Meet the Quest For The Cup Skipper, Judge Ryan as he talks about the team's coaches. 7 more days until applications close and QFTC is sailing daily to prepare for next summer!

 

Penalty Box Productions

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The team from the US will probably be made up of mostly people who are not the leading names in high school and college sailing - there might be one of those kids who can steer, but otherwise, they are going to have to have look for sailors who were too big for high school and college sailing, but yet sailed on other, bigger, fast boats. I know a couple that fit the profile, but they'd probably not even bother to try and make the team because they are going to start to get on with real life, yet whoever ends up picking the sailors for Oracle ought to start thinking about recruiting, instead of just responding to submitted resumes.

 

Bingo. Too busy working on setting up for a career and future to be bothered with even trying to get involved with the youth AC. In the meantime I'll continue racing on maxis of the mini and canting keel varieties because college dinghy sailing is for twigs with a limited skillset. Though I'm sure that perfectly roll tacking an FJ or throwing around a puny 29er are greeeeeeeeattt ways to prepare for highly loaded, physically intensive, technically complex boats and that choosing team members based on their ability to race such limiting boats is the perfect way to win a youth AC. It's also probably a smart idea to look for people who haven't sailed in a crew larger than 2 because their experience with racing a boat with a large team is sooooo extensive. Bottom line: If someone were to give me a call and offer me a spot I'd consider it but otherwise my priority is succeeding in the classroom and, later, in the job market.

 

Edit: The AYSF is actually a decent representation of skillsets. Based on the resume's though... there are too many fucking bowmen, not enough trimmers and boatspeed folks.

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Interesting - clearly a lot of egos involved here, but some good points made about the differing skills - dinghy vs 4ksb

 

But some people realise that there does not have to be a absolute demarcation between career and sailing. JS, DB, LP etc.

Who knows - you could have been a contender!

At least you'll still get to sail on weekends.

Hope the 'career' thing works out....

 

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Interesting - clearly a lot of egos involved here, but some good points made about the differing skills - dinghy vs 4ksb

 

But some people realise that there does not have to be a absolute demarcation between career and sailing. JS, DB, LP etc.

Who knows - you could have been a contender!

At least you'll still get to sail on weekends.

Hope the 'career' thing works out....

 

It's rare to be able to make a living off of racing boats alone. It's even more rare to find someone making a living that's worth living. Most people try to do it through their 20's and have to go legit because of how difficult it is to actually be the Jimmy, Russel or Terry. Most wind up bouncing between couches, shitty apartments and bunks on boats doing yard work at a buck fifty a day to pay their cell phone bill. Good luck having a family, health insurance or the ability to put away for retirement while living a life like that.

 

And for the record, there's a huge difference between 4 ktsb's and 65-80 foot, 20+ktsbs. My experience falls into the latter

 

Heard a rumor of a Sail Newport youth team entered just today with at least one good (like, rambler good) person onboard. Will be interesting to see just what groups make the cut.

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Thete is obviously stiff competition for the USA and SF Teams, you can see it above.

 

When does the team selection happen, was it Oct 3?

 

Will NZ be able to step up?

 

NZ has the talent to step up. Grant Dalton and ETNZ would be wise to support a youth team -- as long as it doesn't siphon off funds or otherwise sidetrack the mission of winning the Cup.

 

Ever heard of Owen Glenn? Interesting guy. Seen around the waterfront from time to time. Made his mark in international shipping logistics. Big-time philanthropist, especially for youth causes. Has to be in Dalts' sights. If Glenn chose to, he's capable of buying a Kiwi youth team its own AC45.

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Thete is obviously stiff competition for the USA and SF Teams, you can see it above.

 

When does the team selection happen, was it Oct 3?

 

Will NZ be able to step up?

 

NZ has the talent to step up. Grant Dalton and ETNZ would be wise to support a youth team -- as long as it doesn't siphon off funds or otherwise sidetrack the mission of winning the Cup.

 

Ever heard of Owen Glenn? Interesting guy. Seen around the waterfront from time to time. Made his mark in international shipping logistics. Big-time philanthropist, especially for youth causes. Has to be in Dalts' sights. If Glenn chose to, he's capable of buying a Kiwi youth team its own AC45.

 

As anyone that has been involved with any type of racing program wether it be a car or boat , buying the item in question is only a start . A good start mind you but it's the unseen program expenses that really add up . It is going to be even more so with the hard wing 45's . I would like to see it happen for the sake of the sport but I just do not see any longevity in a series based on the AC 45. The repair costs are going to kill it sooner or later .

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Interesting - clearly a lot of egos involved here, but some good points made about the differing skills - dinghy vs 4ksb

 

But some people realise that there does not have to be a absolute demarcation between career and sailing. JS, DB, LP etc.

Who knows - you could have been a contender!

At least you'll still get to sail on weekends.

Hope the 'career' thing works out....

 

It's rare to be able to make a living off of racing boats alone. It's even more rare to find someone making a living that's worth living. Most people try to do it through their 20's and have to go legit because of how difficult it is to actually be the Jimmy, Russel or Terry. Most wind up bouncing between couches, shitty apartments and bunks on boats doing yard work at a buck fifty a day to pay their cell phone bill. Good luck having a family, health insurance or the ability to put away for retirement while living a life like that.

 

And for the record, there's a huge difference between 4 ktsb's and 65-80 foot, 20+ktsbs. My experience falls into the latter

 

Heard a rumor of a Sail Newport youth team entered just today with at least one good (like, rambler good) person onboard. Will be interesting to see just what groups make the cut.

 

Ahhh the joys of rabid capitalism!

 

Is that why not many of you guys get into the game? Forced to make life choices too early?

 

....rare to find someone making a living that's worth living. You'd be surprised how often that applies in the non-sailing world as well though

 

Sounds like there are at least two kinds of 'Grinders' in the world.

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Interesting - clearly a lot of egos involved here, but some good points made about the differing skills - dinghy vs 4ksb

 

But some people realise that there does not have to be a absolute demarcation between career and sailing. JS, DB, LP etc.

Who knows - you could have been a contender!

At least you'll still get to sail on weekends.

Hope the 'career' thing works out....

 

It's rare to be able to make a living off of racing boats alone. It's even more rare to find someone making a living that's worth living. Most people try to do it through their 20's and have to go legit because of how difficult it is to actually be the Jimmy, Russel or Terry. Most wind up bouncing between couches, shitty apartments and bunks on boats doing yard work at a buck fifty a day to pay their cell phone bill. Good luck having a family, health insurance or the ability to put away for retirement while living a life like that.

 

And for the record, there's a huge difference between 4 ktsb's and 65-80 foot, 20+ktsbs. My experience falls into the latter

 

Heard a rumor of a Sail Newport youth team entered just today with at least one good (like, rambler good) person onboard. Will be interesting to see just what groups make the cut.

 

Ahhh the joys of rabid capitalism!

 

Is that why not many of you guys get into the game? Forced to make life choices too early?

 

....rare to find someone making a living that's worth living. You'd be surprised how often that applies in the non-sailing world as well though

 

Sounds like there are at least two kinds of 'Grinders' in the world.

 

Perhaps I like to have nice things. Like the idea of being able to have that next new toy, drive that car, wear those clothes, eat that food, to not have to worry about making rent if I want to treat myself, to own a boat and work hard to put my own name on trophies rather than someone elses. Perhaps that's a life goal. To be able to take time off to just sit on a beach and read a book or go racing - and living regatta to regatta doesn't sound like a good way to do that.

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The team from the US will probably be made up of mostly people who are not the leading names in high school and college sailing - there might be one of those kids who can steer, but otherwise, they are going to have to have look for sailors who were too big for high school and college sailing, but yet sailed on other, bigger, fast boats. I know a couple that fit the profile, but they'd probably not even bother to try and make the team because they are going to start to get on with real life, yet whoever ends up picking the sailors for Oracle ought to start thinking about recruiting, instead of just responding to submitted resumes.

 

Bingo. Too busy working on setting up for a career and future to be bothered with even trying to get involved with the youth AC. In the meantime I'll continue racing on maxis of the mini and canting keel varieties because college dinghy sailing is for twigs with a limited skillset. Though I'm sure that perfectly roll tacking an FJ or throwing around a puny 29er are greeeeeeeeattt ways to prepare for highly loaded, physically intensive, technically complex boats and that choosing team members based on their ability to race such limiting boats is the perfect way to win a youth AC. It's also probably a smart idea to look for people who haven't sailed in a crew larger than 2 because their experience with racing a boat with a large team is sooooo extensive. Bottom line: If someone were to give me a call and offer me a spot I'd consider it but otherwise my priority is succeeding in the classroom and, later, in the job market.

 

Edit: The AYSF is actually a decent representation of skillsets. Based on the resume's though... there are too many fucking bowmen, not enough trimmers and boatspeed folks.

 

 

Left Hook, I appreciate you remarks about our team and I understand what you mean about having a lot of bow guys but you have to understand that for kids our age, its tough to break into a helm or trim position on a high level/profile program and starting from up on the bow is usually the only way to get on board. And anyways you can't blame the youths for chasing a dream :rolleyes:

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Thete is obviously stiff competition for the USA and SF Teams, you can see it above.

 

When does the team selection happen, was it Oct 3?

 

Will NZ be able to step up?

 

NZ has the talent to step up. Grant Dalton and ETNZ would be wise to support a youth team -- as long as it doesn't siphon off funds or otherwise sidetrack the mission of winning the Cup.

 

Ever heard of Owen Glenn? Interesting guy. Seen around the waterfront from time to time. Made his mark in international shipping logistics. Big-time philanthropist, especially for youth causes. Has to be in Dalts' sights. If Glenn chose to, he's capable of buying a Kiwi youth team its own AC45.

 

As anyone that has been involved with any type of racing program wether it be a car or boat , buying the item in question is only a start . A good start mind you but it's the unseen program expenses that really add up . It is going to be even more so with the hard wing 45's . I would like to see it happen for the sake of the sport but I just do not see any longevity in a series based on the AC 45. The repair costs are going to kill it sooner or later .

 

Tough to disagree with you re longevity of an AC45 series outside the America's Cup. But I wasn't talking about that, was I? If Dalts signs off on a youth team five lucky Kiwis will make it to the short list for entry preference in the youth event. And along with that a shot at one of four loaner boats. Remember, existing Cup teams get first preference.

 

Of course that still leaves the question about where entry fee, campaign costs, etc will come from. Glenn is far from the only possible funder but if he decides to play he is well capable of picking up those costs. He might even shell out for a practice boat.

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The team from the US will probably be made up of mostly people who are not the leading names in high school and college sailing - there might be one of those kids who can steer, but otherwise, they are going to have to have look for sailors who were too big for high school and college sailing, but yet sailed on other, bigger, fast boats. I know a couple that fit the profile, but they'd probably not even bother to try and make the team because they are going to start to get on with real life, yet whoever ends up picking the sailors for Oracle ought to start thinking about recruiting, instead of just responding to submitted resumes.

 

Bingo. Too busy working on setting up for a career and future to be bothered with even trying to get involved with the youth AC. In the meantime I'll continue racing on maxis of the mini and canting keel varieties because college dinghy sailing is for twigs with a limited skillset. Though I'm sure that perfectly roll tacking an FJ or throwing around a puny 29er are greeeeeeeeattt ways to prepare for highly loaded, physically intensive, technically complex boats and that choosing team members based on their ability to race such limiting boats is the perfect way to win a youth AC. It's also probably a smart idea to look for people who haven't sailed in a crew larger than 2 because their experience with racing a boat with a large team is sooooo extensive. Bottom line: If someone were to give me a call and offer me a spot I'd consider it but otherwise my priority is succeeding in the classroom and, later, in the job market.

 

Edit: The AYSF is actually a decent representation of skillsets. Based on the resume's though... there are too many fucking bowmen, not enough trimmers and boatspeed folks.

 

 

Left Hook, I appreciate you remarks about our team and I understand what you mean about having a lot of bow guys but you have to understand that for kids our age, its tough to break into a helm or trim position on a high level/profile program and starting from up on the bow is usually the only way to get on board. And anyways you can't blame the youths for chasing a dream :rolleyes:

 

Right there with you Ian - been there, done that and have the scars to prove it. Gotta say though that life is so much better at the other end of the sheet. It is a fun and surreal experience to sit next to someone who has won multiple AC's and, over the course of a watch, talk trim and boatspeed with them in a 2 way stream of adjustment and optimization in order to make each other faster. Like a "how did I get here" sort of deal. Though if you have a head for rig geometry, sail design, tuning, trim and hydrodynamics it's really the easiest thing to make a sail be fast.

 

Have fun chasing the dream. The rest of the youth big boat racers are counting on you to make us look good.

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Thete is obviously stiff competition for the USA and SF Teams, you can see it above.

 

When does the team selection happen, was it Oct 3?

 

Will NZ be able to step up?

 

NZ has the talent to step up. Grant Dalton and ETNZ would be wise to support a youth team -- as long as it doesn't siphon off funds or otherwise sidetrack the mission of winning the Cup.

 

Ever heard of Owen Glenn? Interesting guy. Seen around the waterfront from time to time. Made his mark in international shipping logistics. Big-time philanthropist, especially for youth causes. Has to be in Dalts' sights. If Glenn chose to, he's capable of buying a Kiwi youth team its own AC45.

 

As anyone that has been involved with any type of racing program wether it be a car or boat , buying the item in question is only a start . A good start mind you but it's the unseen program expenses that really add up . It is going to be even more so with the hard wing 45's . I would like to see it happen for the sake of the sport but I just do not see any longevity in a series based on the AC 45. The repair costs are going to kill it sooner or later .

 

Tough to disagree with you re longevity of an AC45 series outside the America's Cup. But I wasn't talking about that, was I? If Dalts signs off on a youth team five lucky Kiwis will make it to the short list for entry preference in the youth event. And along with that a shot at one of four loaner boats. Remember, existing Cup teams get first preference.

 

Of course that still leaves the question about where entry fee, campaign costs, etc will come from. Glenn is far from the only possible funder but if he decides to play he is well capable of picking up those costs. He might even shell out for a practice boat.

 

6 lucky sailors in the crew for the YAC not 5.

Existing teams get a preference - as long as they use their own boats don't they? The 4 ACRM sourced boats are for non-affiliated teams?

Advantage of belonging to a existing ACWS team is the potential for a lot more practice time in an AC45 - plus some great mentors, if needed.

If ETNZ stands behind a YAC team they can offer their existing sponsors great extra exposure.

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Thete is obviously stiff competition for the USA and SF Teams, you can see it above.

 

When does the team selection happen, was it Oct 3?

 

Will NZ be able to step up?

 

NZ has the talent to step up. Grant Dalton and ETNZ would be wise to support a youth team -- as long as it doesn't siphon off funds or otherwise sidetrack the mission of winning the Cup.

 

Ever heard of Owen Glenn? Interesting guy. Seen around the waterfront from time to time. Made his mark in international shipping logistics. Big-time philanthropist, especially for youth causes. Has to be in Dalts' sights. If Glenn chose to, he's capable of buying a Kiwi youth team its own AC45.

 

As anyone that has been involved with any type of racing program wether it be a car or boat , buying the item in question is only a start . A good start mind you but it's the unseen program expenses that really add up . It is going to be even more so with the hard wing 45's . I would like to see it happen for the sake of the sport but I just do not see any longevity in a series based on the AC 45. The repair costs are going to kill it sooner or later .

 

Tough to disagree with you re longevity of an AC45 series outside the America's Cup. But I wasn't talking about that, was I? If Dalts signs off on a youth team five lucky Kiwis will make it to the short list for entry preference in the youth event. And along with that a shot at one of four loaner boats. Remember, existing Cup teams get first preference.

 

Of course that still leaves the question about where entry fee, campaign costs, etc will come from. Glenn is far from the only possible funder but if he decides to play he is well capable of picking up those costs. He might even shell out for a practice boat.

 

6 lucky sailors in the crew for the YAC not 5.

Existing teams get a preference - as long as they use their own boats don't they? The 4 ACRM sourced boats are for non-affiliated teams?

Advantage of belonging to a existing ACWS team is the potential for a lot more practice time in an AC45 - plus some great mentors, if needed.

If ETNZ stands behind a YAC team they can offer their existing sponsors great extra exposure.

 

My bad. Thanks for the added detail. It's been a while since I looked at the Youth entry requirements. So it all comes down to Dalts willingness to field a youth team, funds permitting. But what if he elects to opt out? Does a non-affiliated Kiwi team still have a chance?

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New Zealand Youth America’s Cup Team – Are you eligible?

 

New Zealand has entered a team to sail the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup 2013 set to take centre stage on San Francisco Bay in the time window between the Louis Vuitton Cup and the Americas Cup in 2013.

 

Yachting New Zealand wants to hear from eligible sailors keen to be part of the New Zealand Team.

 

Billed as a pathway for the world’s most talented youth sailors to enter the prestigious and exclusive America’s Cup scene, organisers see the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup as an opportunity for up and comers to show case their talent to the massive international audience already focussing their attention on San Francisco.

 

While Emirates Team New Zealand continues to focus their attention on their bid to return the America’s Cup Trophy to New Zealand in 2013, Yachting New Zealand has submitted an entry for this national youth team with their support.

 

The National Body [YNZ] will manage the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Team, calling on the expertise and insight that Emirates Team New Zealand can bring to the table with a collaborative approach planned in the sailor selection process.

 

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http://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/news/201209/new-zealand-youth-america%E2%80%99s-cup-team-%E2%80%93-are-you-eligible

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New Zealand Youth America’s Cup Team – Are you eligible?

 

New Zealand has entered a team to sail the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup 2013 set to take centre stage on San Francisco Bay in the time window between the Louis Vuitton Cup and the Americas Cup in 2013.

 

Yachting New Zealand wants to hear from eligible sailors keen to be part of the New Zealand Team.

 

Billed as a pathway for the world’s most talented youth sailors to enter the prestigious and exclusive America’s Cup scene, organisers see the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup as an opportunity for up and comers to show case their talent to the massive international audience already focussing their attention on San Francisco.

 

While Emirates Team New Zealand continues to focus their attention on their bid to return the America’s Cup Trophy to New Zealand in 2013, Yachting New Zealand has submitted an entry for this national youth team with their support.

 

The National Body [YNZ] will manage the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Team, calling on the expertise and insight that Emirates Team New Zealand can bring to the table with a collaborative approach planned in the sailor selection process.

 

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http://www.yachtingn...re-you-eligible

 

Good move. Now we'll probably have thetruth bitching about funding...

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^^^^

 

It is a good move. YNZ provide the management and chase the funding while TNZ provide the expertise and probably the equipment.

 

I wonder how many other MNA's are involved in supporting Youth AC teams?

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"While Emirates Team New Zealand continues to focus their attention on their bid to return the America’s Cup Trophy to New Zealand in 2013, Yachting New Zealand has submitted an entry for this national youth team with their support.

 

"The National Body [YNZ] will manage the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Team, calling on the expertise and insight that Emirates Team New Zealand can bring to the table with a collaborative approach planned in the sailor selection process."

 

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http://www.yachtingn...re-you-eligible

 

Thanks k_j. Good to see the wider involvement with YNZ stepping up.

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We had a post somewhere claiming they would use soft sails rather than wings. But everything above points to wings - great.

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Here's a question for you all. Most of the kids in the targeted age range (18-25) will be in the spring semester of their college terms for all of February. Even if a team were to be selected to go how can they just up and leave on a crucial part of their school term?

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Here's a question for you all. Most of the kids in the targeted age range (18-25) will be in the spring semester of their college terms for all of February. Even if a team were to be selected to go how can they just up and leave on a crucial part of their school term?

 

Where does it say anything about educational requirements to be part of the Russell Coutts youth demo derby?

 

Larry never graduated from college and he's rich.

 

You want to be a sailing hero or corporate zero?

 

Fuck it kids, just flush all the money for a diploma down the drain and risk your future as an unpaid performer in a red bull made for tv stunt.

 

You in or out?

 

Think about it, you can be an unpaid sailing hero, and some hot chick might fuck you a couple of times. Then She'll leave you for an older guy with money.

 

 

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Take spring quarter off, maybe? I did that once, it was fun.

 

Neat that they have twenty teams vying to make the four independent spots. Big interest. 16 of them would not get past the selection trials in Feb anyway, but will likely have a good experience regardless.

 

Bundock tweeted yesterday that two USA teams will be sponsored by Oracle Racing.

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Take spring quarter off, maybe? I did that once, it was fun.

 

Neat that they have twenty teams vying to make the four independent spots. Big interest. 16 of them would not get past the selection trials in Feb anyway, but will likely have a good experience regardless.

 

Bundock tweeted yesterday that two USA teams will be sponsored by Oracle Racing.

Damage bond of $25k sounds a bit light. ACEA is racing against time to get these young teams in place to fill the gap as curtainraiser to the LVC-ACCSS finals.

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Take spring quarter off, maybe? I did that once, it was fun.

 

Neat that they have twenty teams vying to make the four independent spots. Big interest. 16 of them would not get past the selection trials in Feb anyway, but will likely have a good experience regardless.

 

Bundock tweeted yesterday that two USA teams will be sponsored by Oracle Racing.

Damage bond of $25k sounds a bit light. ACEA is racing against time to get these young teams in place to fill the gap as curtainraiser to the LVC-ACCSS finals.

 

Not a curtainraiser. It's a money raiser for Coutts.

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Here's a question for you all. Most of the kids in the targeted age range (18-25) will be in the spring semester of their college terms for all of February. Even if a team were to be selected to go how can they just up and leave on a crucial part of their school term?

 

You aren't going right? You said you like 'nice things' (just up the page^^), a sailing career is not worth having etc.

 

I think for your own sake you should just stop following the YAC - it's just gonna piss you off that others made a different choice - or are clever enough to realise it's not an either/or option

 

..also, you do realise that your don't have to attend universtiy to be able to sail don't you.

 

All those 'layabouts' will be YACing it up!

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Too bad. By Stuart A: http://www.independe...am-8269695.html

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Britain has failed to raise a team for the Youth America's Cup. As the deadline for entries closed on 31 October, all three attempts, one of which planned to race under the Ben Ainslie Racing banner.

 

edit: noteworthy

The Kiwis have said that they may use their youth squad to race the 45 in next year’s America’s Cup World Series, as they concentrate their efforts on working up the second of two 72-foot wing-powered catamarans for the Cup.

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^^^Yeah that's new...and...

 

The damage done to Swedish challenger Artemis’s twin hull 72-foot platform when taken for towing tests in San Francisco Bay may be cured more quickly than at first thought

 

PU-Expanding-Foam-MP805-.jpg

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Here's a question for you all. Most of the kids in the targeted age range (18-25) will be in the spring semester of their college terms for all of February. Even if a team were to be selected to go how can they just up and leave on a crucial part of their school term?

 

You aren't going right? You said you like 'nice things' (just up the page^^), a sailing career is not worth having etc.

 

I think for your own sake you should just stop following the YAC - it's just gonna piss you off that others made a different choice - or are clever enough to realise it's not an either/or option

 

..also, you do realise that your don't have to attend universtiy to be able to sail don't you.

 

All those 'layabouts' will be YACing it up!

 

Based on your writing skill you clearly didn't put much effort into your education. Reeks of sour grapes to me.

 

Something I realized a long time ago is that I would much rather be the boat owner than the 'pro' sailor making his living off of convincing rich folks that they can help them win. So it's fine if they want to YAC it up, nothing stopping them. That said, I won't feel any remorse when I later eat their lunch in the job market because I took the time that they spent laying about and put it towards a double major in two lucrative fields.

 

Edit: And now that the schedule is clear I would have turned down any spot on a team. The time conflict is just too much.

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Too bad. By Stuart A: http://www.independe...am-8269695.html

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Britain has failed to raise a team for the Youth America's Cup. As the deadline for entries closed on 31 October, all three attempts, one of which planned to race under the Ben Ainslie Racing banner.

 

edit: noteworthy

The Kiwis have said that they may use their youth squad to race the 45 in next year’s America’s Cup World Series, as they concentrate their efforts on working up the second of two 72-foot wing-powered catamarans for the Cup.

 

Of all the countries I would have thought that GB with their truly amazing Olympic program would be one of the last NOT to be involved. This is very strange .