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Elliott 35SS

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no connection, but saw it on facebook...anybody else see this? E35SS

 

$290k USD ex sails, electronics, etc....thing looks sweet!!

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Any pics of it on a trailer?

 

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ but..

 

A local here in Chch has ordered one I believe, although it will likely be kept in Auckland.

 

But watch out for the Shaw 11m http://www.shawyachtdesign.com/SYDmenu.html, also another local, but he has to finish his second carbon Shaw 650 first.

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its got a diesel saildrive , its a yacht

 

deserves a retracting flush drive

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Any pics of it on a trailer?

 

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ but..

 

A local here in Chch has ordered one I believe, although it will likely be kept in Auckland.

 

But watch out for the Shaw 11m http://www.shawyacht...om/SYDmenu.html, also another local, but he has to finish his second carbon Shaw 650 first.

 

Looks like someone is finally building a modernised Young88:

 

Shaw 950

The Shaw 950 is a traditional style cruiser-racer that offers sufficient internal volume for standing headroom and all the comforts for family cruising, while being a competitive club and coastal racer.

 

Systems are set up so the boat is manageable for a regular club-racing crew to enjoy sailing the boat and extract a high level of the boat's potential. It hs a fixed keel and a diesel inboard.

 

Construction is underway, with glass laminates over a foam core, and a carbon rig.

 

The 950 has the popular Shaw boat attributes of being powerful, yet efficient and easy to handle.

 

Upwind 65m2

Jib 25m2

Gennaker 110m2

LOA 9.5m

LWL 8.9m

Beam 3.3m

Draft 2.5m

Displacement 2350kg

 

http://www.shawyacht...om/SYDmenu.html

 

FT Killer that you can weekend on too?

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Any pics of it on a trailer?

 

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ but..

 

A local here in Chch has ordered one I believe, although it will likely be kept in Auckland.

 

But watch out for the Shaw 11m http://www.shawyachtdesign.com/SYDmenu.html, also another local, but he has to finish his second modified carbon 6.5m boat designed by Shaw first.

 

Just to aid understanding; the one design Shaw 650 is a glass boat, not a carbon boat.

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well neither are sportsboats

 

canting keel yachts

 

3mendo not comparable as the Elliott is an OCEAN racer

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Any pics of it on a trailer?

 

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ but..

 

A local here in Chch has ordered one I believe, although it will likely be kept in Auckland.

 

But watch out for the Shaw 11m http://www.shawyachtdesign.com/SYDmenu.html, also another local, but he has to finish his second modified carbon 6.5m boat designed by Shaw first.

 

Just to aid understanding; the one design Shaw 650 is a glass boat, not a carbon boat.

Well there you go, I for one thought the Shaw was all carbon. makes the performance all the more impressive, but perhaps not the price.

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This thing is a weapon. I jumped on last minute for the coastal classic after my ride (8.5multihull) pulled the pin due to the extreme forecast of 35-45kts

Man what a ride, the boat is seriously awesome. we smashed 2 hrs off the old 35ft and also shaved 30minutes off the 40ft record and now hold both.

Sending it hard, see the video link below.

 

https://vimeo.com/51989160

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This thing is a weapon. I jumped on last minute for the coastal classic after my ride (8.5multihull) pulled the pin due to the extreme forecast of 35-45kts

Man what a ride, the boat is seriously awesome. we smashed 2 hrs off the old 35ft and also shaved 30minutes off the 40ft record and now hold both.

Sending it hard, see the video link below.

 

https://vimeo.com/51989160

 

Good vid, good tunes.

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we have an SMS system for sportsboats

 

it does not qualify

 

why not ask in an ocean racing forum for Ocean racing keelboats

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Gybeset raises a good point, half the threads in this forum are about boats that don't have a SMS rating. Maybe it's time to rename the forum to something more fitting, like Super 30s ...

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because the yachts you mention already qualify for another appropriate forum, thus duplication

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because the yachts you mention already qualify for another appropriate forum, thus duplication

 

You pedantic prick!

 

Sportsboat is a state of mind, not a formula.

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

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because the yachts you mention already qualify for another appropriate forum, thus duplication

 

You pedantic prick!

 

Sportsboat is a state of mind, not a formula.

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

post-449-0-40907500-1351568949_thumb.jpg post-449-0-40907500-1351568949_thumb.jpg

 

According to ASBA, everything past the first 8.5m.......

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because the yachts you mention already qualify for another appropriate forum, thus duplication

 

You pedantic prick!

 

Sportsboat is a state of mind, not a formula.

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

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According to ASBA, everything past the first 8.5m.......

 

Dont fucking kid yourself, at this point in time SMS is just as flawed as any other measurement system, except IRC because you can't fiddle with the numbers. Anyone who says they would rather sail an SB3 or some other shitbox so called ASBA measured boat rather than this Elliott35ss is a wanker. The vid looked awesome. The boat looks fast and I want one, but I still think the Cone would smoke it downwind. It was a fucking sportsboat and people should get off there high fucking horse and go yachting.

 

The problem we have at the moment, people who have built sporties to a rule and which boats are successful will need to change them because of the soon to be changed self righting rules. Ffs if what GYBSET says they should go sail a skiff because that's what these boats are. Please people get a life and chill the fuck out!

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Sportsboat is a state of mind,

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

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Sportsboat is a state of mind,

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

yanmar_3ym20c_19441298.jpg

 

Which is the part you can't afford!!!

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do you have some silica in your pee-pee hole ?

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Sportsboat is a state of mind,

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

yanmar_3ym20c_19441298.jpg

 

Gybeys vibrator?

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Sportsboat is a state of mind,

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

yanmar_3ym20c_19441298.jpg

 

Gybeys vibrator?

 

Which is the reason no one gives a fuck about this forum anymore. Gybesets fucked it for everyone.

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Any pics of it on a trailer?

 

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ ..

 

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I must have missed the meeting where we appointed New Zealand to define what is and isn't a sport boat. What a bunch of wankers. Your highest paid athlete was a caddy...who got fired.

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I must have missed the meeting where we appointed New Zealand to define what is and isn't a sport boat. What a bunch of wankers. Your highest paid athlete was a caddy...who got fired.

 

....... by a multiple serial rooter who's done/won fuck all since

 

arsewipe

 

fucking seppos wouldn't know a fun boat if it bit them on the arse

 

BBOOOOOORRRRIIIIINNNGG

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I agree that this is not a sports boat. It's a pretty sweet keeler though.

Some fukn anger problems out there though.

http://racetrack.org...p?boatid=376721

Heres the rating. Not sure they have an IRC rating? I'd imagine it would be shit though

 

The story I heard was that a TP52 fucked a Shaw 650 after a huge night at the yachtie and gave birth to this thing.

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I must have missed the meeting where we appointed New Zealand to define what is and isn't a sport boat. What a bunch of wankers. Your highest paid athlete was a caddy...who got fired.

 

Its not the kiwis who are getting angry with it being in the sportboat forum either.........

Hell the NZ sport boat rule would be considered dangerous by most on here

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The story I heard was that a TP52 fucked a Shaw 650 after a huge night at the yachtie and gave birth to this thing.

 

Given the location and the canting keel it won't take a paternity test to work out the father was V5

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I agree that this is not a sports boat. It's a pretty sweet keeler though.

Some fukn anger problems out there though.

http://racetrack.org...p?boatid=376721

Heres the rating. Not sure they have an IRC rating? I'd imagine it would be shit though

 

The story I heard was that a TP52 fucked a Shaw 650 after a huge night at the yachtie and gave birth to this thing.

 

LIKE B)

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its got a diesel saildrive , its a yacht

 

deserves a retracting flush drive

 

Some things never change...

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that is true mate

 

35SS is a cat1 YACHT that can go in the Sydney Hobart YACHT race

 

sportsboats don't go in the Sydney Hobart, neither can trimarans or windsurfers

 

like you say i don't expect this will change

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I must have missed the meeting where we appointed New Zealand to define what is and isn't a sport boat. What a bunch of wankers.

 

Its not New Zealand. Its a very small group of guys who log on to this site day after day to utter their BS pronouncements about what qualifies as a "sportsboat," even though that term doesn't have a commonly agreed upon set of defined parameters. Their attitude is not welcoming, its akin to that of an ultrastrict Muslim imam who is happiest tagging something as "infidel."

 

And as you might imagine, they're happiest declaring something as "not" a sportsboat. Check out "Gybe Set's" posts, I'd guess he's rendered that "service" a few hundred times.

 

For some personality types, nothing gives so much satisfaction as denying entrance into the club.

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Pathetic, just pathetic

 

evidence provided by talking about forum activities and NOTHING about a sail-boats physical characteristics

 

not surprisingly a lead-belly sailor and J/boat expert

 

say when J ran the (then) new j/80 by your J/24 mob, did youse all swallow the Kool-Aid when they told you it was a Sportsboat

 

like these chinamen who build 'em ?

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So because it doesn't fit your definition of a sportsboat it isn't one?

 

what an auspicious post ? SAs new DHOTW ?

 

Why TF would i call something a sportsboat if it was other than my view of one ?

 

anyway go ask your fellow Kiwi sportsboaters

 

Any pics of it on a trailer?

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ ..

http://www.tboat.com...sport-what.html

 

http://www.tboat.com/Editorials/Edit-designer/sport-design.html

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So because it doesn't fit your definition of a sportsboat it isn't one?

 

Why TF would i call something a sportsboat if it was other than my view of one ?

 

 

And your opinion is the only one that exists here? Seems your opinion is as highly respected and wanted as getting your dick caught in a zip...

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why do you say that my opinion is the only one that exists here, that is a bit of a stretch m8, you are having problems with reality as well as Sportsboats ?

 

anyway did you ask your fellow Kiwis ?

seems you don't really want to find out,

& would rather diss some user on a forum instead, that being your purpose here today

anyway go ask your fellow Kiwi sportsboaters

 

http://www.tboat.com...sport-what.html

 

http://www.tboat.com/Editorials/Edit-designer/sport-design.html

 

Any pics of it on a trailer?

Not what we define as a sportboat in NZ ..

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why do you say that my opinion is the only one that exists here, that is a bit of a stretch m8, you are having problems with reality as well as Sportsboats ?

 

anyway did you ask your fellow Kiwis ?

seems you don't really want to find out,

& would rather diss some user loser on a forum instead, that being your purpose here today

 

 

There you go. Fixed it for you!

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unable to play the ball as always on sailing subjects

 

you are however my kind of kiwi m8, being in NZ

 

god bless you

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Being called a mate is something you earn in this part of the world. I'm guessing that's a struggle for you.

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that you are guessing is not in question

 

I hope the weather is to your liking over there, and everything else

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So is the sportsboat and keelboat racing. Thank god you're in Aussie. Have fun with your mates over there. Seems you're a pretty popular person. :-P

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you're getting warmer, hell even a busted clock gets it right twice a day

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Pathetic, just pathetic

 

evidence provided by talking about forum activities and NOTHING about a sail-boats physical characteristics

 

not surprisingly a lead-belly sailor and J/boat expert

 

say when J ran the (then) new j/80 by your J/24 mob, did youse all swallow the Kool-Aid when they told you it was a Sportsboat

 

like these chinamen who build 'em ?

 

But see, thats the point. I'm happy to discuss boat design, boat dimensions, though not with a know-it-all jerk like you.

 

You speak of "evidence," but you're not qualified to be a judge. And certainly not fair minded enough.

 

Hey, God bless. Maybe you're just a kidder. If so, I'm kidding too

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do you feel like your sportsboatin' when you are on the j/24 or j/80 ?

 

A Yachtie mentioned above it's a state of mind,

i know that's a stretch but maybe if you closed your eyes/took up the lotus position perchance?

 

Can all yacht & keelboat sailors call up this "Sportsboat Zen" on demand ?

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you're getting warmer, hell even a busted clock gets it right twice a day

 

yes. that's true

 

but you spend 24/7 acting like a dick

 

I don't think it's a 'sportsboat' either

 

....but I don't have to bang on about it

 

It's a pretty fucking cool sort of boat

 

whatever you want to call it

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Hi BooBoo!!

 

Happy birthday for the other day bloke

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Here is an updated video of the Elliott 35ss.

 

BTW what a fucken pisstake this thread has become, gybeset, take a chill pill. I couldn’t even be fucked reading all the crap so just skipped to the bottom.

Woop woop, the fucken sportsboat police.....

 

I am going to repost this in another thread so no one has to filter through all this bollocks. GYBE SET, please don’t even bother going there- no one wants to hear it.

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Great video, that boat is a weapon BB, who gives a shit want people want to call it. That is what sailing is about-GOIN FAST B)

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Awesome vid Booboo! Funny comparing that to our race on Spearhead, also a Elliot and 35ft but a world of difference! We hit high teens and started blowing shit apart, where you did that speed all day - awesome!

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Just read through this thread expecting some insightful and educated comment about an exciting boat, unfortunately I wasted a lot of time reading some self indulgent drivel.

Awesome boat and video. Thanks to those who made informative posts.

Looks like the cost is heading over the $600K mark!

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Just read through this thread expecting some insightful and educated comment about an exciting boat, unfortunately I wasted a lot of time reading some self indulgent drivel.

Awesome boat and video. Thanks to those who made informative posts.

Looks like the cost is heading over the $600K mark!

 

Gus that went out the window as soon as Gobshit started posting

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I don't think it's a 'sportsboat' either

 

.watever you want to call it

 

well yeah. its a fuckin cat 1 yacht for FFS

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Just read through this thread expecting some insightful and educated comment about an exciting boat, unfortunately I wasted a lot of time reading some self indulgent drivel.

Awesome boat and video. Thanks to those who made informative posts.

Looks like the cost is heading over the $600K mark!

 

Gus that went out the window as soon as Gobshit started posting

leadbelly sailor

 

old man

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Just read through this thread expecting some insightful and educated comment about an exciting boat, unfortunately I wasted a lot of time reading some self indulgent drivel.

Awesome boat and video. Thanks to those who made informative posts.

Looks like the cost is heading over the $600K mark!

aussie sportsoat at $ 65000.000 k huh

 

reality check

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GybeSet you have single handedly ruined this thread with your pedantic shit. A while back mumm 30s popped up in Sportboat anarchy but I didn't see your nazi ways bulldoze those threads? Anyway back to the Elliott 35ss I think it's a pretty damn cool boat, it's such a shame boats like this stay more around the pacific like NZ, aus, west coast etc. I even remember there was a boat called Ambush from HK that looked pretty cool before they had the mills 41

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i see your point

 

a Mumm is a fixed 'keelboat' yeah

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Just to get something interesting in the thread again

 

because the yachts you mention already qualify for another appropriate forum, thus duplication

 

You pedantic prick!

 

Sportsboat is a state of mind, not a formula.

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

post-449-0-40907500-1351568949_thumb.jpg post-449-0-40907500-1351568949_thumb.jpg

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Just to get something interesting in the thread again

 

because the yachts you mention already qualify for another appropriate forum, thus duplication

 

You pedantic prick!

 

Sportsboat is a state of mind, not a formula.

 

Which part of this is not a sportsboat?

 

post-449-0-40907500-1351568949_thumb.jpg post-449-0-40907500-1351568949_thumb.jpg

 

Looks like a big Cherub, goes downwind even faster!

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GybeSet you have single handedly ruined this thread with your pedantic shit. A while back mumm 30s popped up in Sportboat anarchy but I didn't see your nazi ways bulldoze those threads? Anyway back to the Elliott 35ss I think it's a pretty damn cool boat, it's such a shame boats like this stay more around the pacific like NZ, aus, west coast etc. I even remember there was a boat called Ambush from HK that looked pretty cool before they had the mills 41

 

A Hick 30 with a canter in her- she was a weapon as soon as you pointed her nose downwind! Unfortunately she could rarely sail to her rating so the owners just rocketed around the course until they got Mark Mills to design the new Ambush which is also a weapon, just a bit more restrained!

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Just read through this thread expecting some insightful and educated comment about an exciting boat, unfortunately I wasted a lot of time reading some self indulgent drivel.

Awesome boat and video. Thanks to those who made informative posts.

Looks like the cost is heading over the $600K mark!

I calculate about AUD $450k with sails and instruments landed in Aus. At that price a little more than a MAC 38 last I checked. Unfortunatly unless you can get these types of boats to sail to their rating in at least favourable conditions, they tend to be orphans.

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Its a real shame when the commercial viability of bloody good, really fast and exciting boats is stifled by a fundamentally flawed rating system. As one who once bit the bullet and built an out there non-rating fun fast boat, the E35SS is an exciting prospect and something I would far rather sail than an artificially slowed down chunk of mediocre white plastic.

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I calculate about AUD $450k with sails and instruments landed in Aus. At that price a little more than a MAC 38 last I checked. Unfortunatly unless you can get these types of boats to sail to their rating in at least favourable conditions, they tend to be orphans.

It will be interesting to see if any of the new keelboat rules such as HPR can fix the orphan issue. It would be nice to see something similar to the super 30s expanding up the size range.

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It will be interesting to see if any of the new keelboat rules such as HPR can fix the orphan issue. It would be nice to see something similar to the super 30s expanding up the size range.

 

Perhaps but my guess is that it'll be as successful as IRM or less so since they've set it up from the outset for designers to game.

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Has anyone seen an IRC certificate for this boat?

 

Would appreciate if available.

 

Tks

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some of you cunts have too much time on your hands to argue about what sort of a boat it is

 

it is obvious that it is a cool yacht so who gives a fuck what you call it.

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some of you cunts have too much time on your hands to argue about what sort of a boat it is

 

it is obvious that it is a cool yacht so who gives a fuck what you call it.

 

right. now that the FT10s are in here, surely there's room for the Elliott?

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some of you cunts have too much time on your hands to argue about what sort of a boat it is

it is obvious that it is a cool yacht so who gives a fuck what you call it.

HKG it's great you somehow made the time to arg.. comment participate in the ar discussion

 

it's a very cool YACHT (that being the operative word)

 

cause the Ed thinks he was sailing a sportsboat and put the FT10 in here (trashcan forum?) ....

a sportsboat is now a cat1 keelboat

 

I 'get it'

 

can we just agree this is SO by decree

 

btw

How do you think the Viper will go in the transpac. or a Rocket 22 to Hobart

 

should a MC38 enter the Airlie sportsboat division? or the next lake taupo SB gig ?

 

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Listen fuckwitt

a yacht can be anything from a supermaxi to a dingy so by calling it a yacht you are not proving that it's not a sport boat you are merly proving that it is a boat that is powered by sails

Give up on your pointless argument

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Secondly there should be no length for a sport boat some would say that a VO70 or Wild Oats XI is a sport boat because they are just big sport boats.

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How about this for a metric to define sportsboats:

A ballasted monohull capable of sailing its own boatlength in 1 sec.

There are boats that can do this, everything else is a "sports yacht" or super 30 etc.

or whatever designation you want to use.

 

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Good thing this issue has never been discussed here before.

 

How about this for a metric to define sportsboats:

A ballasted monohull capable of sailing its own boatlength in 1 sec.

There are boats that can do this, everything else is a "sports yacht" or super 30 etc.

or whatever designation you want to use.

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How about this for a metric to define sportsboats:

A ballasted monohull capable of sailing its own boatlength in 1 sec.

There are boats that can do this, everything else is a "sports yacht" or super 30 etc.

or whatever designation you want to use.

So a Vo70 doing 40 knots is not a sport boat because it takes a whole 1.06 seconds to sail it's own boat length?

You have contrived a definition to try to justify your opinion that "sport boat" is less than some arbitrary length. The whole definitional controversy is boring and meaningless.

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How about this for a metric to define sportsboats:

A ballasted monohull capable of sailing its own boatlength in 1 sec.

There are boats that can do this, everything else is a "sports yacht" or super 30 etc.

or whatever designation you want to use.

So a Vo70 doing 40 knots is not a sport boat because it takes a whole 1.06 seconds to sail it's own boat length?

You have contrived a definition to try to justify your opinion that "sport boat" is less than some arbitrary length. The whole definitional controversy is boring and meaningless.

I wouldn't call a V70 a sportboat anyway.

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You have contrived a definition to try to justify your opinion that "sport boat" is less than some arbitrary length.

 

it's not his opinion, it's true

 

you on the other hand who just walked in the door

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Funnily enough, according to the phrf ne definitions of a sportboat:

 

1. A displacement/length ratio less than 100

2. An upwind sail area/displacement ratio greater than 30

3. A downwind sail area displacement ratio greater than 75

4. A sprit length more than 50 percent of J

 

a VO70 fits the definition (I'm actually not sure of 4. - I couldn't find a measurement for the sprit). I'm sure that wasn't the intention of the rule, but hey, if the foo shits...

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You have contrived a definition to try to justify your opinion that "sport boat" is less than some arbitrary length.

 

it's not his opinion, it's true

 

 

19,233 posts and you are still FOS.

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