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Rawhide

Vipers in East Aus

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The RBYC in Bermuda has a great "Gold Cup", but I doubt they would let it be used for a Viper event.

Although there are some "mini" replicas kicking around...

 

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You own long PANTS? That's shocking!

Never mind the jacket and that thing around your neck. Who knew?!?

 

Nice mug you've got there for Dark & Stormies...

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Fantastic to see the Viper hitting the Aus east coast.

Hard to beat the package - one design racing, competitive on SMS too, and the whole kit at around $36,000.

The boat reminded me why I loved sailing as a kid..... it's bloody great fun..... and my teenage kids, who sail on the Viper agree too...

I just heard there is one heading to the banana benders and one to Melbourne too.

Yep first four boats at RPAYC Pittwater and production slot for second container booked, by early next year we will have a fleet spread from Vic to QLd. so where will we have the first nationals? How about Port Lincoln regatta?

 

Great to hear your fleet is growing guys B)

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Next weekend,16 Dec is the first OD event for the new group. Also saw the Shaw 650 Barely Legal in the RPAYC parking lot. Looks like a sport boat centre is taking hold.

 

Hope to see any and everyone on the water. If anyone wants to join for a sail, let me know by PM.

 

Cheers.

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RPAYC looks like becoing the center of sport boat sailing in Sydney, with 4 Vipers currently and more on the way, M24's and hopefully the Shaw, a good fleet is building. The club is very keen to support sport boats and will run a class under SMS along side OD results for the Vipers and Melges and is making more room on the hardstand for boats actively racing.

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RPAYC looks like becoing the center of sport boat sailing in Sydney, with 4 Vipers currently and more on the way, M24's and hopefully the Shaw, a good fleet is building. The club is very keen to support sport boats and will run a class under SMS along side OD results for the Vipers and Melges and is making more room on the hardstand for boats actively racing.

 

Great to hear your sports boat fleet is building and that you all racing together and having OD results inside the SMS racing, we all need each other to keep creating great sports boat fleets B)

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RPAYC looks like becoing the center of sport boat sailing in Sydney, with 4 Vipers currently and more on the way, M24's and hopefully the Shaw, a good fleet is building. The club is very keen to support sport boats and will run a class under SMS along side OD results for the Vipers and Melges and is making more room on the hardstand for boats actively racing.

 

Great to hear your sports boat fleet is building and that you all racing together and having OD results inside the SMS racing, we all need each other to keep creating great sports boat fleets B)

 

No it would be much better to have 2 small fleets with compleatly seperatre results than one big fleet everyone else has it wrong....... :P

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RPAYC looks like becoing the center of sport boat sailing in Sydney, with 4 Vipers currently and more on the way, M24's and hopefully the Shaw, a good fleet is building. The club is very keen to support sport boats and will run a class under SMS along side OD results for the Vipers and Melges and is making more room on the hardstand for boats actively racing.

 

Great to hear your sports boat fleet is building and that you all racing together and having OD results inside the SMS racing, we all need each other to keep creating great sports boat fleets B)/>

 

No it would be much better to have 2 small fleets with compleatly seperatre results than one big fleet everyone else has it wrong....... :P/>

 

And completely different courses...giggle ;).

 

Still, they happy to have a drink afterwards :).

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RPAYC looks like becoing the center of sport boat sailing in Sydney, with 4 Vipers currently and more on the way, M24's and hopefully the Shaw, a good fleet is building. The club is very keen to support sport boats and will run a class under SMS along side OD results for the Vipers and Melges and is making more room on the hardstand for boats actively racing.

Fantastic!

 

Get us pics and/or video!

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We had a few beers celebrating your first OD event for Sydney this weekend... hoped you cracked a few too... (afterwards of course)

 

The Viper 640's in WA had a 15 boat SMS event this weekend. (See Shortcourse )

 

It's great to be able to sail SMS and have competitive results, but choose to sail OD when you want to, as well.

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The RondarUS site gets many inquires from OZ for Vipers. I send them down to you guys all the time. Hope you're getting them!

 

Please update the forum page with more info about what's happening down there.

 

http://forum.viper640.org/index.php?board=17.0

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Geez schooner

My wife nags me do things....

(Don't tell her your nagging has worked or I'm in big trouble.)

I usually put the Australian news or results in the Australian fleet section under race results. (not too regularly)

I will now put it in the forum section too.... Happy...

 

So how many boats are going to the Bacardi Race Week??

We Aussies have tasted the American hospitality and it was great ...

and the Australian dollar makes it even better!!!

Biscayne Bay looks great and even though we like Bunderburg Rum ....... I've got a feeling we might develop a taste for Bacardi....

 

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Geez schooner

My wife nags me do things....

(Don't tell her your nagging has worked or I'm in big trouble.)

I usually put the Australian news or results in the Australian fleet section under race results. (not too regularly)

I will now put it in the forum section too.... Happy...

 

So how many boats are going to the Bacardi Race Week??

We Aussies have tasted the American hospitality and it was great ...

and the Australian dollar makes it even better!!!

Biscayne Bay looks great and even though we like Bunderburg Rum ....... I've got a feeling we might develop a taste for Bacardi....

 

i always knew there was something wrong with viper sailors, normal people dont drink that queensland diesel (unless you are from QLD)

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Geez schooner

My wife nags me do things....

(Don't tell her your nagging has worked or I'm in big trouble.)

I usually put the Australian news or results in the Australian fleet section under race results. (not too regularly)

I will now put it in the forum section too.... Happy...

 

So how many boats are going to the Bacardi Race Week??

We Aussies have tasted the American hospitality and it was great ...

and the Australian dollar makes it even better!!!

Biscayne Bay looks great and even though we like Bunderburg Rum ....... I've got a feeling we might develop a taste for Bacardi....

 

i always knew there was something wrong with viper sailors, normal people dont drink that queensland diesel (unless you are from QLD)

You would be surprised how many Queenslanders had infiltrated south and west of the boarder!

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I wondered why all those Queenslanders drive around with their windows down and a happy look on their faces.

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LOL...I'll keep it a secret.

 

Not sure on Bacardi Miami. Perhaps 20? Maybe more. I think Charleston will be huge though...maybe 50+. We sold a boat to a guy from BC who is sailing both then bringing the boat home!

 

Geez schooner

My wife nags me do things....

(Don't tell her your nagging has worked or I'm in big trouble.)

I usually put the Australian news or results in the Australian fleet section under race results. (not too regularly)

I will now put it in the forum section too.... Happy...

 

So how many boats are going to the Bacardi Race Week??

We Aussies have tasted the American hospitality and it was great ...

and the Australian dollar makes it even better!!!

Biscayne Bay looks great and even though we like Bunderburg Rum ....... I've got a feeling we might develop a taste for Bacardi....

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Just saw "Barely Legal" going up Penno Hills Rd .. is a viper?

 

It's a Shaw 650.

ahh cheers, looked like a sorta 16` skiff with the bow just visible behind traffic then saw her in full as she went passed.

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Well we have done our first regatta (Geelong Festival of Sails), 4 first places on SMS out of 8 races, with a few shockers thrown in, including an OCS leaving us fourth overall, our best results were two fourth place over the line in a fleet of 16. Not bad for our first races. Shows just how easy the Viper is to sail and what a weapon it is when it blows. Just have to work on some light air pace.

 

Next container of fout leaving UK March with two already sold

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Good job Rawhide... keep getting the little reptile out there. More folks are coming around to the logic and economics of fun sailing every day

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Fantastic effort Rawhide. Great to see the boat doing well on the east coast too.

 

We have actually found the Viper is quite quick against other sporties in sub planing and marginal planing conditions.

Its quick uphill, when we go the right way, and really quick downhill when you soak deep.

 

It's hard to beat the bang for your buck the Viper gives....

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Well we have done our first regatta (Geelong Festival of Sails), 4 first places on SMS out of 8 races, with a few shockers thrown in, including an OCS leaving us fourth overall, our best results were two fourth place over the line in a fleet of 16. Not bad for our first races. Shows just how easy the Viper is to sail and what a weapon it is when it blows. Just have to work on some light air pace.

 

Next container of fout leaving UK March with two already sold

 

Better sell those other two quick or I'll reroute that container to SF Bay. We're out of boats to sell :-(

 

Keep up the good work Rawdie.

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Great boat and sailed well... 3 bods in the light and 4 in the heavy is uncool tho.....

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Great boat and sailed well... 3 bods in the light and 4 in the heavy is uncool tho.....

 

Funny people OS heard of this, but nothing done?

 

Its how we got in this mess in the first place!

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Great boat and sailed well... 3 bods in the light and 4 in the heavy is uncool tho.....

 

Funny people OS heard of this, but nothing done?

 

Its how we got in this mess in the first place!

Because the PRO's claimed not to have seen the ASBA requirements for NOR even thought it was sent many months before. It was then taken advantage of.

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And they are welcomed into the class! Pffffft!

 

Rumor is they won't fit in within the intent of.the "Sportboat" rule anyway!

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regatta organisors must uphold the NOR

if they are quoting 'asba' compliance then that is that, and protest-able

 

there is no GREY area here

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regatta organisors must uphold the NOR

if they are quoting 'asba' compliance then that is that, and protest-able

 

there is no GREY area here

GS you are correct, there is no grey area it is either in the rules for the ragatta or not. it is not in the FOS documents and as far as I can see it is not in the ASBA rules, so where is it? One of the owners at Geelong told me we had to sail with the same crew each day, as I said then, I can't find where this rule is written and if some one could show me where it is we would have withdrawn (and still will do)from the applicable races. Geelong was all about learning the boat and haveing a bit of fun, if we have broken a race rule then we will withdraw.

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Rumor is they won't fit in within the intent of.the "Sportboat" rule anyway!

 

how so ?

 

details or you are full of shit

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Geelong Regatta seemed to be sailed under the published rules and Regs - end of story....

 

 

Extra breeze - Nothing wrong with getting an extra mate (or three) on board every now and then....

 

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May not be as cool as having multiple sets of sails ......

 

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but achieves the same aim ..... and is a bit cheaper too.

 

Shaw-650, great to hear you're impressed with the boat. The Shaw 650 is obviously a very competitive design and good to see the Viper and Shaw having good racing on the west and east coast now.

 

Both boats are very different design concepts:

  • The Viper is an affordable strict One Design, that can race competitively on SMS.
  • and the Shaw, also highly competitive on SMS, has more design and build options.

Great to see both classes and concepts prospering here and overseas.

 

(If you're OS and wondering ... Historic Australia 18' Skiffs.... )

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That's not the point which is can you stack the rail in an ASBA regatta? Normally no. Maybe FoS NOR and SI's didn't reflect this. We sail 4 up and lightish. Could have signed up a fat bastard for the 30knot day as we would do on a non ASBA regatta. Should we have read the docs to see if there was a mistake we could exploit or sailed in the spirit of the ASBA rules? Maybe we should get some EPO on standby for the next regatta and find out if Lance Armstrong is free to crew.

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Rumor is they won't fit in within the intent of.the "Sportboat" rule anyway!

 

how so ?

 

details or you are full of shit

 

Pfffffft! Comming from you!

 

 

Remember its Australia, where shutes go to the top of the mast!

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Rumor is they won't fit in within the intent of.the "Sportboat" rule anyway!

 

how so ?

 

details or you are full of shit

 

Pfffffft! Comming from you!

 

 

Remember its Australia, where shutes go to the top of the mast!

 

So why do you have fractional hoist on your boat ?

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All a person can do is turn up at a regatta and sail under the class rules, NOR, SI and RRS.

 

You can only go by the rules that are printed and presented, and not guess what was probably/possibly/should be/ included.

 

Not all classes, divisions or regattas have a restrictions on changing the crew numbers from one race to another.

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Rumor is they won't fit in within the intent of.the "Sportboat" rule anyway!

 

how so ?

 

details or you are full of shit

 

Pfffffft! Comming from you!

 

 

Remember its Australia, where shutes go to the top of the mast!

 

So why do you have fractional hoist on your boat ?

 

Its not the only hoist!

 

Is a handy option like the SBS races in 30 knots where we were the only boat to fly a shute and finish!

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Rumor is they won't fit in within the intent of.the "Sportboat" rule anyway!

 

how so ?

 

details or you are full of shit

 

Pfffffft! Comming from you!

 

 

Remember its Australia, where shutes go to the top of the mast!

 

So why do you have fractional hoist on your boat ?

 

Its not the only hoist!

 

Is a handy option like the SBS races in 30 knots where we were the only boat to fly a shute and finish!

One of the great pluses of the Viper, only three sails. You never put up the wrong one! Full new wardrobe about $4,500.

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So why do you have fractional hoist on your boat ?

 

Its not the only hoist!

 

Is a handy option like the SBS races in 30 knots where we were the only boat to fly a shute and finish!

One of the great pluses of the Viper, only three sails. You never put up the wrong one! Full new wardrobe about $4,500.

 

Hahahaha! Is that the sales pitch?

 

Multiple sails extend the working range of a rig thus making it more competitive in more conditions! Managing your equipment is a part of sailing and dumbing things down to the point where you can't do anything would seriously limit the enjoyment for many sailors.

 

Being able to take a T7 around the course and win in 5 and 30 knots has a hell of a lot more appeal than a plastic fantastic pickle dish campaigner designed for ideal conditions only!

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I think it was a point as much as a pitch

 

well a Magic has 3 sails and can do everything a T7 does

 

we had 7 sails on a Rocket and all that achieved was getting caught with the wrong one up,

not a SB but a E22 seems to manage with 3

 

On the other hand the 2nd jib on a tboat is good, your big sail can be lighter & faster, last longer

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Cost of sailing is always a consideration affecting the growth of sailing.

It's hard to beat the cost of a viper at around $35,000 including covers and trailer. A complete set of sails at around $4500 sounds good to me too.

 

I agree that managing your equipment is part of sailing and far from dumbing down things to a point where you can't do anything, a viper sailor develops a very good knowledge of their sails and also adjusting their rig to suit different conditions.

 

I am glad you can get your T7 around the course and win in all conditions. Obviously shows you're a capable sailor.

 

Over the last three years that the Viper has sailed in WA it has won in 5 knots and 30 knots against T7's, 750's, Shaw 650's and M24's on SMS so it is a quite competitive boat.

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

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If any of you fella's are thinking about attending the 2013 NA's in Houston - i have two charter boats available.

 

Edit: I know of two available.

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

A fifth container of Vipers going to Aussie? Can't you at least pretend to be aware that half of the rest of the world is stubbornly in recession and the other half are buying J70s so they can live aboard when global warming melts the ice cap? :)

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

A fifth container of Vipers going to Aussie? Can't you at least pretend to be aware that half of the rest of the world is stubbornly in recession and the other half are buying J70s so they can live aboard when global warming melts the ice cap? :)

 

Melting ice caps? Sounds like the start of a Viper X-Prize challenge...first Viper to sail at (not to, _at_) the geographic North Pole gets...?

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mambo

there is a rating 'floor' (as opposed to ceiling) of sms .755 here to race sportsboat

your aforementioned J does not reach it, if it had a SB sized mainsail it no doubt would, it does not.

our "ma & pa" TY water caravans have bigger sails here ....

so ..........

 

more boxes of Vipers to aus i'd say !

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The SB3 also doesn't make the 0.755 SMS cut-off.

 

There's also a minimum length of 6m, so the VX doesn't qualify without modifications. They have to add a little extension to the hull to sail in ASBA events.

 

The Viper can sail OD or SMS without any modifications and is cheap with the current high AUD. I bought one last year and it's a lot of fun. Plus hiking is very easy: none of this straight legs hanging over the side laser style. You sit on the outer part of the gunwale in a very comfortable position.

 

I'm not surprised that more are on the way.

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

A fifth container of Vipers going to Aussie? Can't you at least pretend to be aware that half of the rest of the world is stubbornly in recession and the other half are buying J70s so they can live aboard when global warming melts the ice cap? :)

Saw the J70 for first time at NSW sport boat states. Quite a nice looking boat, as long as it is in the water and you cant see that hideous 1970's keel. Would be a great boat for trailer bucket regatta's, but a bit like bringing a knife to a gun fight at a sport boat regatta.

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mambo

there is a rating 'floor' (as opposed to ceiling) of sms .755 here to race sportsboat

your aforementioned J does not reach it, if it had a SB sized mainsail it no doubt would, it does not.

our "ma & pa" TY water caravans have bigger sails here ....

so ..........

 

more boxes of Vipers to aus i'd say !

 

I was sober when I first read this post so I had no idea what Gybo was talking about.....but Ive had a few cocktails and now I get the gist of it.

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My general point is that with the absurdly strong aussie dollar and a great economy, its nice to see the someone has money to spend on boats. Heck, order a few more containers. You only live once and you cant take the money with you.

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My general point is that with the absurdly strong aussie dollar and a great economy, its nice to see the someone has money to spend on boats. Heck, order a few more containers. You only live once and you cant take the money with you.

There is no doubt that boats are the cheapest in Aus that they have ever been, by quite some way. We are so used to being gouged here with inflated imported prices, but now a Viper in Aus retails for much the same as it does in the US.

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The SB3 also doesn't make the 0.755 SMS cut-off.

 

There's also a minimum length of 6m, so the VX doesn't qualify without modifications. They have to add a little extension to the hull to sail in ASBA events.

 

The Viper can sail OD or SMS without any modifications and is cheap with the current high AUD. I bought one last year and it's a lot of fun. Plus hiking is very easy: none of this straight legs hanging over the side laser style. You sit on the outer part of the gunwale in a very comfortable position.

 

I'm not surprised that more are on the way.

fireball

There is an 18' SB competing all over the east coast multi states (a Sprint from Vic.)

Possibly (tho I don't know) he applied for a singular exemption on length, his speed and 'rated speed' are all OK.

 

He's got the volume to lug the CAT safety gear no issue. looking like the Egan 6m Shorty/Evolution(i.e. it's not the minimalist 'Skiff + Ballast' config.)

 

The last point is the challenge the VX faces, IMO

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

Hope im on shift when that one comes through! :P

 

It's just a rule. Change it.

 

No!

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

Hope im on shift when that one comes through! :P/>

 

It's just a rule. Change it.

 

No!

 

Slapper :P

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

Hope im on shift when that one comes through! :P

 

 

I know you want a Viper TS, but I think we will notice if you show up with one missing from the container, even if you put the T7 logo on the sail.

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lol RH

 

with a T on the sail & Magoo on the topsides no-one will know

 

googles himself will believe it & will argue it's his T till he's blue in the face

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lol RH

 

with a T on the sail & Magoo on the topsides no-one will know

 

googles himself will believe it & will argue it's his T till he's blue in the face

 

GS, check your messages.

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

 

Hope im on shift when that one comes through! :P

 

 

I know you want a Viper TS, but I think we will notice if you show up with one missing from the container, even if you put the T7 logo on the sail.

 

I couldnt live with the shame of such a small shute in Australia!

 

Let me know when the box arrives in brisbane, i personally will make sure it is looked after! :rolleyes:

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Lots of action over here in Aus Viper land. Noel and Ben Leigh-Smith have taken over as agents for QLD and NT, there has been a lot of interest from up North so this is very positive for keeping the momentum up. Also means we have the start of a fleet at the Gold Coast, where due to its relatively shallow draft the viper is ideal.

 

My Viper is up in QLD at the moment in preparation for the Sanctuary Cove boat show, then on to Mooloolaba and Airlie. While at the coast, we filmed a segment for Creek to Coast which airs 11 and 18 May which is good exposure for the Viper and sports boats in general.

 

Can’t wait for the next container to arrive and get some OD racing going. We are looking at holding east coast championships early next season to kick things off, should have 12 boats by then

 

 

RH.

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When it has safely left the dock, I will be shaw to tell you.

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I was going to make sure it had VIPER service through the terminal!

 

-_-

 

Don't let Slap near that container ! VIPER service = "Viper Inspected Processed sent to Emigration and Returned"

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I was going to make sure it had VIPER service through the terminal!

-_-

 

Don't let Slap near that container ! VIPER service = "Viper Inspected Processed sent to Emigration and Returned"

Was just going to get a couple of ink'd bro's to help me drop one in the river and see what the hype is all about!

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Tomb Raider is doing the 2-handed series out of RPAYC. Hope some of the other Vipers or sportboats join in the fun. First race is this Sunday 19 May.

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

A fifth container of Vipers going to Aussie? Can't you at least pretend to be aware that half of the rest of the world is stubbornly in recession and the other half are buying J70s so they can live aboard when global warming melts the ice cap? :)

 

Saw the J70 for first time at NSW sport boat states. Quite a nice looking boat, as long as it is in the water and you cant see that hideous 1970's keel. Would be a great boat for trailer bucket regatta's, but a bit like bringing a knife to a gun fight at a sport boat regatta.

LOLZ!! that's what I said when I first saw that abortion on the trailer too.

 

Are the Oz Vipers coming from Pomland or the US? What's the better deal exchange rate wise?

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Looks like the critical mass for Vipers is swinging up toward QLD, next container most likely to be delivered straight to Brisbane.

A fifth container of Vipers going to Aussie? Can't you at least pretend to be aware that half of the rest of the world is stubbornly in recession and the other half are buying J70s so they can live aboard when global warming melts the ice cap? :)

 

Saw the J70 for first time at NSW sport boat states. Quite a nice looking boat, as long as it is in the water and you cant see that hideous 1970's keel. Would be a great boat for trailer bucket regatta's, but a bit like bringing a knife to a gun fight at a sport boat regatta.

LOLZ!! that's what I said when I first saw that abortion on the trailer too.

 

Are the Oz Vipers coming from Pomland or the US? What's the better deal exchange rate wise?

So far buying out of UK, mainly because the waiting list from the US is too long, don't think there is much price difference at the moment, free trade agreement with US means we save a few % on duty but probably balanced by other costs. Am tempted to buy a few boats in US do some regattas then ship home.

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Vipers starting to spread north, Sanctuary cove boat show worked well, one Viper sold, only one left from this last shipment, Queensland state titles will be held at the Gold Coast early October.

 

Viper test on Creek to Coast below, action starts at about 1:45. They clearly think Viper buyers also need a mothership!

 

 

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My favorite line came at about 1:20......

 

"Well it gives women a chance to practice Man Overboard techniques"

 

I'm sorry but I started visualizing:

 

"Here we demonstrate method One.....a solid strike to the head with a cricket bat...make sure they are already leaning over the stern rail, and of course don't forget to check the life insurance policy is up to date. Another favorite with the girls is chloroform and chains around the ankles...

 

and then s few seconds later when she said and we offer cruises down the kooma river every two hours (time enough to get rid of any unwanted spouses )

 

Vipers starting to spread north, Sanctuary cove boat show worked well, one Viper sold, only one left from this last shipment, Queensland state titles will be held at the Gold Coast early October.

 

Viper test on Creek to Coast below, action starts at about 1:45. They clearly think Viper buyers also need a mothership!

 

 

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But a great short vid on the Viper. I especially like the shot of the Vipe pulled up on the beach, ready to go. It looks like a beautiful spot to go sailing. Well done.

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Agree, great Viper vid and it cuts to the core of the boat.

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That was awesome Mark!

 

Please put that one up on the Viper Forum too!

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Yeah, but Timbo, you want to watch out if your beloved starts practicing her Man Overboard technique.

 

Agree, great Viper vid and it cuts to the core of the boat.

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Vipers starting to spread north, Sanctuary cove boat show worked well, one Viper sold, only one left from this last shipment, Queensland state titles will be held at the Gold Coast early October.

 

Viper test on Creek to Coast below, action starts at about 1:45. They clearly think Viper buyers also need a mothership!

 

 

 

Did your shipment make it in yet, all in one piece?

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Winter here in Aus. So not a lot happening, but having huge amount of fun doiing two handed races. How much fun can you have with you clothes on?

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Good to see the Viper at the front of the fleet at Airlie, wish I could have made it.

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From Airlie Beach Race Week:

 

The stars of the day were the Sports Boats with three windward/leeward races. The competition was close across the 11-boat fleet, but it was Noel Leigh-Smith and his Viper QLD that delivered outstanding results.

 

The start of today’s racing was held back for over an hour as PRO Ross Chisholm anxiously monitored the breeze line creeping in from Hamilton Island. The crews took the time to relax. Menace’s Howard Spencer took a short nap on the deck. Mike Roper’s Ropabull team came prepared with over-sized water pistols while the Holy Cow! team got in some practice in making their now signature Cow Tails; a little fruit, a splash of fruit juice, ice and a liberal amount of Mount Gay Rum, then on with genset for the final touch.

 

When the AP flag finally came down the IRC Racing, Performance Racing, Cruising and Multihull Performance divisions all headed out on Course 11 to White Rock and West Molle Island. The Multihulls were sent on Course 5 around Pioneer Bay while the Sports Boats stayed inshore.

 

Sports Boats

The long delay to the first race start didn’t distract the competitors. Race 1 start was clean with Leon Thomas’s Guilty Pleasures and Noel Leigh-Smith’s QLD Viper keep tight with each other. Brett Whitbread’s Crank was at the pin end and Jason Ruckert’s Mister Magoo at the back of the starters. First time around the top mark and Crank crossed ahead of Guilty Pleasures. John Rae’s Vivace was right beside Crank around the mark.

It was a slow run while the race committee shortened the next leg to .5 nautical miles. There was little between Vivace, Crank and Guilty Pleasures in the last half of the race.

Race 2 was sailed in similar conditions. Crank and Vivace were on top of each other again. The dirty air from Guilty Pleasures and Vivace cost Crank as they struggled to find speed across the line. Crank then tacked out to port to clear itself, beared away behind Bobsled and out to the right in clean air.

The short course and steady six knots had the fleet spread out trying to find a good line to the top mark. Guilty Pleasures was around first with Crank putting in a short tack to make the rounding. Next was Vivace several boat lengths behind.

By the finish and a slight right-hand shift the top three had closed the gap as they covered their gybes down the run, finishing a matter of seconds apart.

The race committee got in the third scheduled race for the Sports Boats with only Barry Bendt’s Rip it Up the only recall. The breeze was right and up to eight knots.

Guilty Pleasures skipper Leon Thomas said there was a good battle going on right through the three races. “Crank has had a great day and we think they got the better of us. The Viper and Magoo also had a great day on the race course.

“Race 3 we got a bit carted at the start and it was always catch-up mode after that. We had a few boats that decided not to give way when they should have. Once Crank and Vivace got a head start of us, they are quicker than we are so we can’t catch up,” Thomas said.

Mister Magoo’s Jason Ruckert was smiling at the end of the long day. “We had a lot better day today. Good light winds and the knots we had on the spinnaker actually held today. The problem yesterday is the spinnaker came untied and we had no halyard to pull the spinnaker up,” Ruckert said.

But the real star of the day was the clean-sweep team of Viper QLD led by Noel Leigh-Smith. Three wins from three races was a superb outcome for the Viper 640. “We weren’t surprised by our results in those conditions. The boat goes very well and I have two good crew. You had to go the right way and we did. We are very happy with the day’s results, but tomorrow is another day,” Leigh Smith said.

 

Nice job Noel......but there are lots of races and lots of rum to go! It aint over until the fat lady passes out.

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and also news outside of the good ol' USA

 

the Viper 'Oh No' is winning Cowes week,

 

finishes 12-15 minutes ahead of UK 'sport boats'

 

when will the UK/euros catch on ? its in their face

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To be fair to the Brits......the Viper 640 wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for a British builder taking it on after the first go around failed.

 

Nice to see one of the Aisher clan winning (tied for first) at Cowes week again.

 

Viper "Oh No" Julian Cook/Caroline Aisher.

 

That gives them max qualifying points and a free charter boat for the Pan American Sport Boat championships in Miami in March. Now if only the Aussies sport boat sailors could get their act together and figure out what their qualifier events are going to be , they could get free boats as well. Maybe we just decide for them that it is Airlie.

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to be fair that makes them stupider

 

the supply source is also staring them in the face

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mambo

there is a rating 'floor' (as opposed to ceiling) of sms .755 here to race sportsboat

your aforementioned J does not reach it, if it had a SB sized mainsail it no doubt would, it does not.

our "ma & pa" TY water caravans have bigger sails here ....

so ..........

 

more boxes of Vipers to aus i'd say !

Junior - J/70 at Airlie - SMS = .736 ??

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From Airlie Beach Race Week:

 

The stars of the day were the Sports Boats with three windward/leeward races. The competition was close across the 11-boat fleet, but it was Noel Leigh-Smith and his Viper QLD that delivered outstanding results.

 

 

But the real star of the day was the clean-sweep team of Viper QLD led by Noel Leigh-Smith. Three wins from three races was a superb outcome for the Viper 640. “We weren’t surprised by our results in those conditions. The boat goes very well and I have two good crew. You had to go the right way and we did. We are very happy with the day’s results, but tomorrow is another day,” Leigh Smith said.

 

Nice job Noel......but there are lots of races and lots of rum to go! It aint over until the fat lady passes out.

 

Well done Noel. After the Fat Lady dowsed her last Mount Gay and crashed to the floor, Noel was still on top despite a spirited challenge from Magoo.

Sports Boats

There were many winners today, but in the smallest boats of the fleet, it was Noel Leigh-Smith’s Viper QLD that took the trophy in the Sports Boat division after placing no worse than third on handicap across the fleet’s nine races.

“Couldn’t be better. It’s the first time we have sailed the boat. It was put in the water last Friday for the first time. My son, Ben, has worked very hard on it and Phil Kellond-Knight, who has been sailing with me for 33 years, has also been racing. Very rewarding,” Leigh-Smith said.

 

Does the East Australia Viper Class have any plans to designate a regatta in EA for the EFG Pan Am qualifier? or shall I reach out to Noel and offer him the free boat?

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mambo

there is a rating 'floor' (as opposed to ceiling) of sms .755 here to race sportsboat

your aforementioned J does not reach it, if it had a SB sized mainsail it no doubt would, it does not.

our "ma & pa" TY water caravans have bigger sails here ....

so ..........

 

more boxes of Vipers to aus i'd say !

Junior - J/70 at Airlie - SMS = .736 ??

 

correct, airlie was not run by asba

 

these things should be brought up to the lower speed limit

 

back to Vipers huh

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Well done Noel and crew. A really consistent effort against a variety of designs - T7's, Stealth 7's, Leach 650's, 79er

 

Good to see the class spreading and performing well in all corners of Australia.

The Viper continues to prove it can be competitive on SMS with successes now in WA, NSW and QLD regattas.

With the growth in class numbers, one design championships in Australia are not far off either.

 

Until then we can look forward to the coming Australian SMS Championship in Perth at Christmas. Vipers should make up the largest segment of the fleet, with eight Vipers based in Perth. The organisers are hope for a +twenty boat fleet.

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is that ASBA Australians you mean ?

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the 64m dollar question is will ASBA maintain their lower speed (eligibilty) limit of 0.755

 

or are we downunder Sportboaters gonna go Limp Cock and cater to Nthn Hemis J/ shitboxes that are arriving in aus like other 'introduced species'

 

I think these boats (they could share the main around) should measure with a mainsail with enough sq top or roach to meet the SB20 derived lower limit of .755, or any other sail they want to present to the measurer

so long as it gets them to 755 or whatever the sb20 is rating presently

 

 

why should we lower the bar, as Ted Bullpit would say its a bloody shambles

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the 64m dollar question is will ASBA maintain their lower speed (eligibilty) limit of 0.755

 

or are we downunder Sportboaters gonna go Limp Cock and cater to Nthn Hemis J/ shitboxes that are arriving in aus like other 'introduced species'

 

I think these boats (they could share the main around) should measure with a mainsail with enough sq top or roach to meet the SB20 derived lower limit of .755, or any other sail they want to present to the measurer

so long as it gets them to 755 or whatever the sb20 is rating presently

 

 

why should we lower the bar, as Ted Bullpit would say its a bloody shambles

Same could be said for the viper really!

 

It fits the rating rule perfectly for a light boat!

 

Fractional shutes, mabe for a lady's boat, for for grown men in Aus/NZ?

 

Back to the dinghy fleet with the VX! :P

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the 64m dollar question is will ASBA maintain their lower speed (eligibilty) limit of 0.755

 

or are we downunder Sportboaters gonna go Limp Cock and cater to Nthn Hemis J/ shitboxes that are arriving in aus like other 'introduced species'

 

I think these boats (they could share the main around) should measure with a mainsail with enough sq top or roach to meet the SB20 derived lower limit of .755, or any other sail they want to present to the measurer

so long as it gets them to 755 or whatever the sb20 is rating presently

 

 

why should we lower the bar, as Ted Bullpit would say its a bloody shambles

Same could be said for the viper really!

 

It fits the rating rule perfectly for a light boat!

 

Fractional shutes, mabe for a lady's boat, for for grown men in Aus/NZ?

 

Back to the dinghy fleet with the VX! :P

 

wow i actually agree with turkey!!!

 

seen as vipers happen to also be an 'Inrtoduced species" as are most sports boats unless they are homebuilt.

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TS, be careful what you ask for. SMS rates kite area relatively lightly so adding masthead kites to the Viper would shaw make us more competitive, but if I wanted to play the rating optimisation game, I would get a 80's generation sport boat and put a new carbon hull under the rig and foils etc, after all some lead mine 7m rigs and keels would be good for a light wt 8m.

 

the 64m dollar question is will ASBA maintain their lower speed (eligibilty) limit of 0.755

or are we downunder Sportboaters gonna go Limp Cock and cater to Nthn Hemis J/ shitboxes that are arriving in aus like other 'introduced species'

I think these boats (they could share the main around) should measure with a mainsail with enough sq top or roach to meet the SB20 derived lower limit of .755, or any other sail they want to present to the measurer
so long as it gets them to 755 or whatever the sb20 is rating presently


why should we lower the bar, as Ted Bullpit would say its a bloody shambles

Same could be said for the viper really!

 

It fits the rating rule perfectly for a light boat!

 

Fractional shutes, mabe for a lady's boat, for for grown men in Aus/NZ?

 

Back to the dinghy fleet with the VX! :P

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mambo

there is a rating 'floor' (as opposed to ceiling) of sms .755 here to race sportsboat

your aforementioned J does not reach it, if it had a SB sized mainsail it no doubt would, it does not.

our "ma & pa" TY water caravans have bigger sails here ....

so ..........

 

more boxes of Vipers to aus i'd say !

Let me add a factual comment or 2 from J70 "Junior" owner. ASBA were keen to add the J70 to their potential fleet and the rating was done independently, measured etc. ASBA, of their own volition, agreed to the "exemption" so we could race as rated at 0.736. This was agreed by the ASBA committee and reps from all states. Whilst I enjoy racing in ASBA fleets my world won't end if we don't, so if you don't like us racing with ASBA why don't you stop moaning here and get ASBA to change their minds. Now if you prefer a Viper or some other boat rather than a J70 that is entirely your perogative, I have a boat which suits my purposes.

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the 64m dollar question is will ASBA maintain their lower speed (eligibilty) limit of 0.755

 

or are we downunder Sportboaters gonna go Limp Cock and cater to Nthn Hemis J/ shitboxes that are arriving in aus like other 'introduced species'

 

I think these boats (they could share the main around) should measure with a mainsail with enough sq top or roach to meet the SB20 derived lower limit of .755, or any other sail they want to present to the measurer

so long as it gets them to 755 or whatever the sb20 is rating presently

 

 

why should we lower the bar, as Ted Bullpit would say its a bloody shambles

Dear Gybe Set, whoever you are. Thank you for describing my J70 as a shitbox. I actually quite like your Viper but its too much of a dinghy for my purposes. I guess you were on the winning Viper at Airlie and yes I am happy to acknowledge you guys sailed very well and deserved to win. My crew actually said this at the presentation to some of your guys. With class sails (ie 1 of each, and only dacron upwind) we were quite happy with our performance and our sailing, and if the worst thing that happens is that we come 3rd then I am a happy J70 owner.

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the 64m dollar question is will ASBA maintain their lower speed (eligibilty) limit of 0.755

 

or are we downunder Sportboaters gonna go Limp Cock and cater to Nthn Hemis J/ shitboxes that are arriving in aus like other 'introduced species'

 

I think these boats (they could share the main around) should measure with a mainsail with enough sq top or roach to meet the SB20 derived lower limit of .755, or any other sail they want to present to the measurer

so long as it gets them to 755 or whatever the sb20 is rating presently

 

 

why should we lower the bar, as Ted Bullpit would say its a bloody shambles

Dear Gybe Set, whoever you are. Thank you for describing my J70 as a shitbox. I actually quite like your Viper but its too much of a dinghy for my purposes. I guess you were on the winning Viper at Airlie and yes I am happy to acknowledge you guys sailed very well and deserved to win. My crew actually said this at the presentation to some of your guys. With class sails (ie 1 of each, and only dacron upwind) we were quite happy with our performance and our sailing, and if the worst thing that happens is that we come 3rd then I am a happy J70 owner.

Hi Manly, just wanted to inform you that gybe set was not on our viper in Airlie Beach. Myself Ben Leigh-Smith, my father Noel and a good friend of ours Phil Kellond-Knight were the ones sailing it. We all remember speaking to you at the presentation and we would never ever say anything like this. Gybe set has never been on our boats and was 100% not on it at Airlie. Please feel free to PM me to discuss this further if you want.

 

Ben Leigh-Smith

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mambo

there is a rating 'floor' (as opposed to ceiling) of sms .755 here to race sportsboat

your aforementioned J does not reach it, if it had a SB sized mainsail it no doubt would, it does not.

our "ma & pa" TY water caravans have bigger sails here ....

so ..........

 

more boxes of Vipers to aus i'd say !

Junior - J/70 at Airlie - SMS = .736 ??

 

correct, airlie was not run by asba

 

these things should be brought up to the lower speed limit

 

back to Vipers huh

.

I am asking ASBA of the 0.755 lower speed limit, this should be vigourously enforced imo

 

I did not bring up the J/ boat in a Viper thread but did reply

 

I'll ask this in the SMS thread

 

of course the Vipers are well quicker than this, as are the much shorter aus 5.5mtr boats that have presented for measurement ( the i550, the sprint-550 from Vic)

 

back to Vipers huh

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Buy a boat, join the association, ask the question.

3 simple steps

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thread is about Vipers mate,

 

btw do you ban your crew from asking questions ? do they have to crew for you with a bag over their fucking heads ?

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Dont belive the above comments,

 

GS was on the viper!

 

:lol:

You seriously need a reality check, and who the fuck would GS be goggles that sailed with us, we only had three people on board, myself, my dad or our mate who doesn't even go on sailing anarchy.

Just more bullshit dribbling from your mouth.

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thread is about Vipers mate,

 

btw do you ban your crew from asking questions ? do they have to crew for you with a bag over their fucking heads ?

 

Bit harsh, we did all vote (everyone who bothered to turn up) and desided that even at that rating a J70 isnt likely to set the world on fire so was voted to be aloud to race. not sure how a viper sailor could complain about rating with a gift like they have

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Dont belive the above comments,

 

GS was on the viper!

 

:lol:

You seriously need a reality check, and who the fuck would GS be goggles that sailed with us, we only had three people on board, myself, my dad or our mate who doesn't even go on sailing anarchy.

Just more bullshit dribbling from your mouth.

 

Oh petal, you ok?

 

Did you think uncle goggles was serious again, sorry, i thought you hyphens still had a sence of humor!

 

Fuckin lighten up!

 

Do you really want to go down this path, im sure as fuck ready!

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