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USA 9080!!! You just wait and see!

Picking Howie and Andy is a real stretch isn't it.........how about telling the world something we don't already know! are you giving odds? they are not gonna make you much money unless you are!

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did gates once, Fireball Nationals in Weymouth one year ('70s) - take the gate early and you've got a long, long stbd tack to do, no point trying to get to the other side!

 

otoh waiting for the rabbit to get close, then the RC releases it and you have a 100 yd run back down to the gate!

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nice usa contingent!! 15 boats, nice work guys! And 3 or 4 of you could maybe win it..

 

but I'm picking Pinnell...he is due. my odds favorite is Wolfgang Hunger...he's tough and its pretty simple to just drive your boat over to the regatta site...

 

Also noticed Alarie is sailing for two different German boats...I know he is the best sailor in the world but this will certainly cement his position there if he can pull it off.

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nice usa contingent!! 15 boats, nice work guys! And 3 or 4 of you could maybe win it..

 

but I'm picking Pinnell...he is due. my odds favorite is Wolfgang Hunger...he's tough and its pretty simple to just drive your boat over to the regatta site...

 

Also noticed Alarie is sailing for two different German boats...I know he is the best sailor in the world but this will certainly cement his position there if he can pull it off.

 

 

Pinnell won at Palermo in 2008, so not sure if he's "due" or not. Hunger won at Hammo last year, and the year before at Aarhus (Pinnell was third), so you could say he appears to have figured out how to sail the boat.

 

My money is on Mike and Carl. If any team is "due" it's these guys. And it doesn't hurt that they're simply great guys, as well. Wish I was going to be there.

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no Mike Martin from the US?

 

is that am cup judge job to intense?

 

 

 

Up to 190 teams on the playground !

 

And MM is tied up at work? ...That's gota hurt.

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I heard he was looking to crew but couldn't find a ride.

 

Off to the airport now.

 

Very funny,

Avoir un Bon vol.

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The most recent entry list I could find:

 

http://www.srr-sailing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Liste-des-inscrits5o56.pdf

 

is dated July 11th and says 192 teams registered, but not everyone has paid, and not all entries have a sail number listed, so I expect this will still change, and the total number may be slightly lower.

 

But still the largest turnout for a 505 worlds ever, with the 2005 Championship in Warnemuende, Germany pushed down to second largest and the 1999 Championship in Quiberon France down to third.

 

The 505 class use of gate starts is largely what makes this work, though it is going to be a very long gate to accomodate the size of the fleet. And I would expect a rather long first beat. The top teams are going to be fast and high coming out of the gate, really good at deciding where/when to start in the gate, and really good at big (huge) fleet management.

 

I have loved 505s and the 505 class since 1977 so it seems very clear to me that the 505s are "doing it right", but I wonder why the rest of the sailboat racing world (which seems to be whining about the Olympics, America's Cup, Volvo Ocean race, and their handicap), isn't looking at the turnout for this world championship and at the 505 class, and thinking they should be doing something more like this.

 

I wish I was there, but am working on 7200, and hope to be at the next 505 world championship, in Barbados.

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Unbelievable number of boats, especially considering the current state of economies around the world.

 

There are numerous teams that could win this thing. As with Germany where we had 170 boats, I think it likely that everyone has to deal with some big numbers in their score line. I very much doubt that you will see a few boats with all single digit finishes like you would in a venue like San Francisco. Everyone is sure to get into trouble at some point, and minimizing the damage will be the key. My advice, having made the big mistakes, is for contending teams not to panic and do something stupid when they find themselves behind early in a race. It would be easy to find yourself back in the 80's or worse in a fleet this size. Don't wire when it's not wire. Don't punch out to a corner unless it's really obvious. And don't ignore a filling seabreeze when it starts to trump an early gradient. If you can't point off the line, you are screwed. Better find that point mode early!

 

There are some truly fantastic teams at this event. Wolfgang/Julien are machines, and truly exceptional at managing a big fleet like this. I would think they would be the favorites. Howie and Andy have been sailing together for a really long time and have placed second on numerous ocassions. Andy is one of the greatest 505 crews ever. Holtie and Carl will be hard to stop if the wind is over 15 knots, and really hard to stop if it's over 20. Look out for teams like Diaz/Lawrence, Moore/Ewenson, and Conrads/Haines - all quite capable esp in the sub 15 knot stuff. There's got to be a half dozen other German teams that can win races. And who knows - maybe some French teams have been logging the hours on their home turf. The Bojsen-Moller's are world class, and if Saugmann has put any time in with Gorge, they will also be fast. A few great Aussie teams in their too!

 

Will be fun to watch. Go Team USA!

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Unbelievable number of boats, especially considering the current state of economies around the world.

 

There are numerous teams that could win this thing. As with Germany where we had 170 boats, I think it likely that everyone has to deal with some big numbers in their score line. I very much doubt that you will see a few boats with all single digit finishes like you would in a venue like San Francisco. Everyone is sure to get into trouble at some point, and minimizing the damage will be the key. My advice, having made the big mistakes, is for contending teams not to panic and do something stupid when they find themselves behind early in a race. It would be easy to find yourself back in the 80's or worse in a fleet this size. Don't wire when it's not wire. Don't punch out to a corner unless it's really obvious. And don't ignore a filling seabreeze when it starts to trump an early gradient. If you can't point off the line, you are screwed. Better find that point mode early!

 

There are some truly fantastic teams at this event. Wolfgang/Julien are machines, and truly exceptional at managing a big fleet like this. I would think they would be the favorites. Howie and Andy have been sailing together for a really long time and have placed second on numerous ocassions. Andy is one of the greatest 505 crews ever. Holtie and Carl will be hard to stop if the wind is over 15 knots, and really hard to stop if it's over 20. Look out for teams like Diaz/Lawrence, Moore/Ewenson, and Conrads/Haines - all quite capable esp in the sub 15 knot stuff. There's got to be a half dozen other German teams that can win races. And who knows - maybe some French teams have been logging the hours on their home turf. The Bojsen-Moller's are world class, and if Saugmann has put any time in with Gorge, they will also be fast. A few great Aussie teams in their too!

 

Will be fun to watch. Go Team USA!

FYI...Holtie dropped the softest seal for a real specialist....rob woefel is on the scene and Carl is pulling baby duty. despite what the entry list says.

 

Today was 5-9 kts and difficult....Augie is leading but not certain all the guys sailing have been registered. no matter.....Augie and luke were on feux today!

 

geoff

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Nice to see so many American teams at the top of the leaderboard in the pre-worlds. Keep it up.

 

Honestly, I hope that Augie and Luke have a good run at the Worlds this year; that way we can all feel a little better about getting our asses kicked by him at virtually every East Coast 505 regatta since he joined the class.

 

Go USA!

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Howie and Andy getting some consistent finishes and their throwout is not too bad either. Findel/Tellen showing why they have been consistently one of the best teams for years. The fact is that the competition will heat up several notches for worlds.

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Results on the SAP analytics are not accurate. There are better results on the club site. I can't find the totals, but my French is not good. http://www.srr-sailing.com/categorie/resultats/

 

The club is fantastic. Very helpful and well organized. Measurement was a breeze.

The parade into the old harbor yesterday after racing was so cool. There must have been 1000 spectators lining the medieval harbor.

The Barbados party was great. Lots of Mount Gay, two hostesses in carnival attire, and a fun reggae band.

And the jellyfish are huge. I swear they are getting bigger each day. They are large enough to kick up the centerboard.

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Day one over and day two just starting. Final entry is 195.

 

Yesterday's two races were sailed in the low teens and getting off the line was quite important. Amazingly with the number of boats the scores at the front were pretty consistent with Kellner/Scholer scoring 2/2 and Pinnell/Mitchell 3/6 to be at the top of the leader board. We had two solid scores of 5/11. Long way to go yet though!

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Pretty awesome job they're doing down there, with my favorite blonde bombshell yachting and equestrian announcer. Will be featuring live feed on the front page this week.

 

 

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Hunger/Kleiner and Smith Needham DSQ'd in race 3. Anyone know what happened? Outstanding job by Kellner/Schoeler to take another 2. They won pre-worlds in 2005. Very good team.

 

Let's go USA! Get your asses in gear!

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Can someone explain: Is it live or is it not live? The player I embedded above says "from 25th July". But i could swear there was some live stuff going on somewhere already...right?

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I watched the racing live this morning. I could not get the race viewer to work (the graphics), but the video was good most of the time. It would be great if the boats had some more recent 505 sailors doing the commentary. They do have two boats covering the course, so that's good.

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I watched the racing live this morning. I could not get the race viewer to work (the graphics), but the video was good most of the time. It would be great if the boats had some more recent 505 sailors doing the commentary. They do have two boats covering the course, so that's good.

 

Is there a special link the live page, or is it the same player as above?

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I watched the racing live this morning. I could not get the race viewer to work (the graphics), but the video was good most of the time. It would be great if the boats had some more recent 505 sailors doing the commentary. They do have two boats covering the course, so that's good.

 

Is there a special link the live page, or is it the same player as above?

 

Watched race 5 on the home page at http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/

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We apparently hit the guard boat starting. Didn't think we did but they did!

 

Really tough racing yesterday, gaining and losing places was really easy. Amazing spectacle with that many boats and it takes forever to get clear of the downwind boats when you head back up and finding clear air on the runs is not easy!

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Impressive coverage of a great fleet; both the people and boats.

 

Side Rant: I always loved how the American 505s had de-brief Q&As as a standard regatta feature, treating everyone as training partners. I wish more classes took note. Do you guys still do a de-brief following the day's racing at regattas?

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Wow... That must be fun... Is everyone running off a single start line?

 

It's a gate start. Everybody ducks the boat with long ears - does that work in English ?

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Go MikeH, we're rooting for you!!

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Great finish tomorrow with 4 teams still in the running with one race to go. Kellner/Schoeler have been a very good team for years (they won pre-worlds in 2005) so it should come as no surprise to anyone that they are in a strong position to win. Saugman/Gorge are 7 points back and will win any tie-breaker. Surprisingly, Team USA is not having a good regatta. It's been a very long time since the US hasn't had a boat in the top 5. If you haven't seen the live race viewer, check it out tomorrow. http://www.sap505worlds.com/2012/live-mashup/

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JF,

 

So exactly what is the position of Conrad/Haines? Looks like 5th to me. Maybe you didn't read the score b4 posting. Not only that, that are sailing the ass of that boat. Don't count 'em out just yet.

 

BV

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Conrad and Haines fell off the top 5 after the 8th race Beau. They are a great team. Wolfgang and Julien were in 5th after race 8. Congrats to Jan and Martin on an incredible regatta. No US team in the top 10 sadly.

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All done and on my way home now. Great event well won by Jan and Martin. In the marginal trapping conditions we (and most of the USA boats) just did not have enough pace. Other than a couple of races in the pre-worlds we did not have quite enough breeze to get the boat rolling.

 

Racing in nearly 200 boats made for an incredible spectacle and some new tactical considerations. Coming off of the leeward mark you could rarely tack, the traffic coming down the course was just too heavy and "can we tack?" was always met with a laugh and a "no!" from the crew! Starting was also a very different game, one side always won and you just could not be conservative it really seemed to us that you had to pick your side and execute well. Something the winners did every time.

 

Roll on Barbados!

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The RC did a very good job in some very difficult conditions.

Light wind mark roundings in the middle of the fleet were adventurous.

There was a 10 boat log jam at a reach mark that probably involved over 30 boats. Each time a boat piled in from behind, a boat at the front popped out.

Again, the RC did a very good job in some very difficult conditions.

And did I mention the jellyfish?

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