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I think you love the ACWS now. I think you have a teenage sailboat crush on match racing catamarans. I think you can't stop yourself from posting on anything remotely AC because you're stern over bow, hot for wusselvision and the next time your yacht club's commodore hits you up for drinks you're going to mention how sexy beam reaching starts would be, you know one on one or for a little fleet action.

 

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San Francisco in August is going to be amazing. Can't wait to see that go down. Might need to make a visit with the family and spend some time with my sister or brother.

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I think you love the ACWS now. I think you have a teenage sailboat crush on match racing catamarans. I think you can't stop yourself from posting on anything remotely AC because you're stern over bow, hot for wusselvision and the next time your yacht club's commodore hits you up for drinks you're going to mention how sexy beam reaching starts would be, you know one on one or for a little fleet action.

 

Koukel

 

 

Nope just glad the first season is over. Nothing like having a final between the same teams.

 

Onto SF but the turnaround is quick so we will see how agile the ACEA is.

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[Nice drawing of planned AC facilities]

This is what is planned for 2013; almost NONE of it is in place now. In fact, at the moment NOTHING of this is complete, and little is under construction. If they really are going to use Piers 30/32, they better get started!

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[Nice drawing of planned AC facilities]

This is what is planned for 2013; almost NONE of it is in place now. In fact, at the moment NOTHING of this is complete, and little is under construction. If they really are going to use Piers 30/32, they better get started!

 

 

July 4th 2013 is the opening ceremonies of the LV Cup. One year is a very short leash to build a pier. I wonder what the liquidated damages will be on that construction project?

 

Can you tell if there is any mobilizing in the area?

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San Francisco in August is going to be amazing.

 

Why?

 

Because of fog?

No.

Because it blows.

One of the windiest summers in memory going on now.

The bay can also see fog with 75' of visibility and 15 knot winds, like BBS 2010.

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Construction has already started. WTF are you people talking about? It's not going to transform the entire SF waterfront, but it will be a world-class event. As an amusing aside, I was at the Village Pub in Woodside at a "Farewell to Foie" dinner last Saturday and overheard the party at the next table describing how all their guest rooms were already booked for the AC. B)

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Pier 27 demolition should gave already begun.

 

http://38.106.4.220/...documentid=2512

 

You are making yourself look a little silly here.

While you can dig out committee minutes you miss the photos that have been posted here of: a/ the demolition and b/ the fact that the steel work for the terminal is basically complete.

 

Looking for problems?

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Pier 27 demolition should gave already begun.

 

http://38.106.4.220/...documentid=2512

 

You are making yourself look a little silly here.

While you can dig out committee minutes you miss the photos that have been posted here of: a/ the demolition and b/ the fact that the steel work for the terminal is basically complete.

 

Looking for problems?

 

 

Yeah I am looking for an internet fight? :unsure: Where are the photos? I dont have all day to go thru threads 400 pages long.

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Pier 27 demolition should gave already begun.

 

http://38.106.4.220/...documentid=2512

 

You are making yourself look a little silly here.

While you can dig out committee minutes you miss the photos that have been posted here of: a/ the demolition and b/ the fact that the steel work for the terminal is basically complete.

 

Looking for problems?

 

 

Yeah I am looking for an internet fight? :unsure: Where are the photos? I dont have all day to go thru threads 400 pages long.

 

And yet you have all day to start new threads. In fact, you and TK are sharing the lead at four threads each on the first page. August company, indeed.

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...how all their guest rooms were already booked for the AC. B)

How about for the challenger series?

 

Koukel

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...how all their guest rooms were already booked for the AC. B)

How about for the challenger series?

 

Koukel

 

Don't know. I only heard the part about the AC because some part of my brain picked those words out of the general buzz and caused me to pay attention. Normally I tune out conversations at neighboring tables. :)

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Come on, answer the question.

 

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

 

All the Bertarelli-era ACTS involved transport by ship. Right?

 

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

 

Anyone got more information?

 

 

[P.S. Yea, I know it is the WSL, not AC. But a train is a train]

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Now the ACWS is ok because a train is involved ?

 

How two faced can you get ?

 

Sure you're not in politics ?

 

Maybe you should ditch the podium and pick up a ballot box instead.

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Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

 

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

 

Anyone got more information?

 

It will be interesting to see if the containers go direct to SF or are transhipped via the Port of Oakland. One reason why SF isn't a major West coast port is that the SF railway tunnels are too short to accommodate double-stacked container cars. Trivia: If the boats are delivered by rail direct to Pier 80, it will be via the San Francisco Bay Railroad, a Class 3 railroad with five miles of track and three locomotives.

 

How many double stacked cars will the ACWS require? Will they stand out on a typical mile-long train?

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Come on, answer the question.

 

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

 

All the Bertarelli-era ACTS involved transport by ship. Right?

 

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

 

Anyone got more information?

 

 

[P.S. Yea, I know it is the WSL, not AC. But a train is a train]

 

What in the world does it matter how the boats get to the venue? Good Lord you get so pompous with such minutia.

 

 

 

They were trucked overland from Derecktors, Goet, etc over the years, even on large air transports. Anybody remember the Anotov's that used to show-up when it was getting down to crunch time in the season?

 

Don't you have a lecture to give somewhere?

 

I think though you have a greater aim in this forum than discussing the AC and all its parts and pieces:

 

You throw these bombs to see how people in the forum are going to react. I would not be surprised if you have a paper or lecture series that you are going to base it on, probably to make a fee or two. Nothing else makes sense with all the idiotic points that you try to make, and your constant criticisms of all things US based. I am not alone in adding you to the 'troll' list in my book and have been avoiding responding to your posts, attempting to avoid being a further 'subject' of your study.

 

So, go chase your 'Taniwhaaaa' and take your studies elsewhere.

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So, on another tangent, but thread related, which of you are coming to visit and when? I'd love to put together an SAAC gathering at one of the marina bars....

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So, on another tangent, but thread related, which of you are coming to visit and when? I'd love to put together an SAAC gathering at one of the marina bars....

 

Most likely I have one shot at getting out to SF, and as much as I would like to see all the boats race, being there for the first race of the Cup is paramount to me. Of course getting to meet other SAAC participants is #2 on the list.

 

So I will have to vote for one at the start of the Cup match, unfortunately.

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Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D

 

Like following the ship carrying UA-17 from webcam to webcam :)

 

The containers could possibly go on the UP tracks I can see from my office window, but exactly when, who can say?

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Come on, answer the question.

 

 

What in the world does it matter how the boats get to the venue? Good Lord you get so pompous with such minutia.

 

Don't you have a lecture to give somewhere?

 

I think though you have a greater aim in this forum than discussing the AC and all its parts and pieces:

 

You throw these bombs to see how people in the forum are going to react. I would not be surprised if you have a paper or lecture series that you are going to base it on, probably to make a fee or two. Nothing else makes sense with all the idiotic points that you try to make, and your constant criticisms of all things US based. I am not alone in adding you to the 'troll' list in my book and have been avoiding responding to your posts, attempting to avoid being a further 'subject' of your study.

 

So, go chase your 'Taniwhaaaa' and take your studies elsewhere.

 

When TK is not acting as self appointed moderator or country spokesperson for one of several countries, he's trying to establish a position in front of the classroom as a self-proclaimed expert and ultimate authoritarian (dictator ?) on what actually matters in life and what is right and wrong. Although his facts are often wrong, he usually ignores it when someone points it out.

 

Their are numerous examples, the most recent is the AC Stadium Racing in NZ, which he still has not acknowledged but continues to bitch about stadium racing. Gotta love double standards.

 

I'd venture a guess if you removed all the non sailing and chest beating about everything Kiwi BS from his posts, about 1/3 of what he writes would remain, if that.

 

When he doesn't get a sufficient response he pushes people to "Come on, answer the question".

 

All the anti US BS is strictly trolling. Would love to see the Blue Angels blow his tent off its stakes if he gets past the border.

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Come on, answer the question.

 

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats containers rumbling across the landscape.

 

All the Bertarelli-era ACTS involved transport by ship. Right?

 

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

 

Anyone got more information?

 

 

[P.S. Yea, I know it is the WSL, not AC. But a train is a train]

 

Fixed....

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Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

Ha!

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Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

Ha!

 

I had that idea - but no one took my PS seriouslysad.gif Just too ridiculous I guess

 

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Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

Ha!

 

I had that idea - but no one took my PS seriouslysad.gif Just too ridiculous I guess

 

alinghi-5-fly-to-genova.jpg

 

you make a good point.

 

"Johnny, have you ever seen a grown man naked.................................."

 

Who gives a Sh......................

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Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D

 

 

Yes, that would be something.

 

And bound to be included in the next big photographic history of the AC.

 

Along with pictures of boats being shipped to Ernesto`s Àcts

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You throw these bombs to see how people in the forum are going to react. I would not be surprised if you have a paper or lecture series that you are going to base it on, probably to make a fee or two. Nothing else makes sense with all the idiotic points that you try to make

 

You are the second person to make this accusation. Marian Martin was the first.

 

You are both wrong.

 

I am too busy on China and other projects to do anything about the AC.

 

As for fees ... it is such a silly proposition I will not dignify it with a response.

 

As for idiotic points and minutia ... yes, well .... they are what make the world go round.

 

If you doubt it, ask Schappi and Stingray.

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Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D

 

You talkin' to me? :lol:

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Yeah, what are the specs on those containers??

 

We've tracked a lot of ships from Ocean Lady, Cassandra B, onwards. But trainspotting? A whole new ballgame!

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^^

 

Banal 40', Hi-Cube containers. Wonder if they can be double-stacked, for that reason. Hate that BTW, worked three years on a railway electrification project in Mexico and heard a few years later the whole system had been torn down because of double-stacking height req'mts

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Banal 40', Hi-Cube containers. Wonder if they can be double-stacked, for that reason. Hate that BTW, worked three years on a railway electrification project in Mexico and heard a few years later the whole system had been torn down because of double-stacking height req'mts

Reminds me of a story too. A friend of mine was helping manage a railway project in Africa, one that would automatically keep track of individual rail cars by using instruments to scan bar-code kind of identifiers on each one, as they passed by various stations, forks, etc. They hired a team of schoolkids to spend a Saturday painting the codes onto a long line of cars, using stencils, given to them in order, which they did, on both sides.

 

The system was a complete nightmare to figure out, nothing made sense in the computer system, cars started getting misdirected and lost from the get-go. It took a week to figure out that they had gone up one side of the train painting the cars, then down the other side painting the cars, but starting at '1' both times!

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San Francisco in August is going to be amazing.

 

Why?

 

Because of fog?

 

You remind me of someone who sit's behind your computer like some perv who play's "World of Warcraft" in their mom's basement at the age of 53.

 

Dog Ball out!

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Useless bit of trivia.

The inventry bar codes you see everywhere now were originaly developed to keep track of railroad cars, then morphed over to shipping containers.

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These could have been cars just filled with coal and other raw matls that aren't container-izable, maybe even passenger cars, not exactly sure, it was maybe 3 years back so good chance it wasn't about containers.

 

Do any/many containers have ID chips on them now? Maybe there's even a way to track the ACWS circus?

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These could have been cars just filled with coal and other raw matls that aren't container-izable, maybe even passenger cars, not exactly sure, it was maybe 3 years back so good chance it wasn't about containers.

 

Do any/many containers have ID chips on them now? Maybe there's even a way to track the ACWS circus?

 

 

Yes, all of them

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That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

 

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

 

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

 

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)

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Tracked down a Puma container number from a photo. Dead end with this:

 

Container 'caru2961113' is owned by leasing company. For tracking the container, do the following:

 

Click "via owner company site" link to open container details on leasing company site

Find lessee/customer name - this is transport/shipping company

Return to wheremy.com

Click [select company] to choose transport company from the list

Use "via shipping company site" link to track and trace

 

Got this from an Artimis container:

 

Container number 'rwtu4411453' is correct, but container owner company site does not support tracking by container number. Select transport company that ship the container to track and trace.

 

Anyone know who the shipper is?

 

http://wheremy.com/container-tracking/

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I've checked a number of shippers, but no luck. Someone here must know since there are too many to look at one-by-one.

 

RTWU is Royal Wolf Transport Australia

CARU is CARU Containers

 

But neither site has a way to track location by container number.

 

Another Puma container: CARU0120468

 

This is kind of fun.

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There was one video of the unloading in Newport where a guy with a Brit accent spoke and is named, may have been on Turnto10.com - with his name we could probably 'track' him down and just ask what train, or logistics company? It was posted in the Newport thread.

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That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

 

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

 

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

 

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)

 

Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.

You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.

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Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.

You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.

What a bizarre thing to mandate. I thought ACRM was trying to help the teams secure sponsors, not risk loosing them through lack of exposure.

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So I went looking and found that the 'grey rule' had not in fact been consistently followed.

 

Don't think you read the numbers off these, but just for fun....

 

(Surely the most obvious artefacts of the ACRM circus on a train - will be the Committee Boat, the camera cat, the 2 Louis Vuitton mark boats and all the other little coloured ducklings?)

 

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Here are a few that give container numbers.

 

It seems AC have some of their own series, ACUU...01, ACUU...02 etc - these seem to be the media suite.

 

I'll post a few photos, but mostly just links - as that saves hosting, attribution, etc.

 

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all photos ACEA 2012 : all rights reserved

 

 

 

For more, click on the links below and then on the photo for the largest image....

 

http://photo.america...gf801p96n2.html

 

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http://photo.america...gf801p96n4.html

 

http://photo.america...gf671p96n8.html

 

http://photo.america...f671p96n10.html

 

http://photo.america...f567p96n57.html

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That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

 

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

 

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

 

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)

 

Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.

You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.

 

Remember when team headgear had to have approved script size and team flag placement until Red Bull came along?

All of these nanny details are meant to be broken or modified as needed.

Don't get me started on stored energy. :)

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...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

 

....what'd they think of it?? :blink::blink::blink:

 

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<

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That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

 

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

 

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

 

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)

 

Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.

You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.

 

Remember when team headgear had to have approved script size and team flag placement until Red Bull came along?

All of these nanny details are meant to be broken or modified as needed.

Don't get me started on stored energy. :)

 

Most of that stuff is still in the protocol, the class rules etc though - perhaps they are just being nice and liberal with their 'approvals'?

 

 

 

I've asked him - we'll see what happens now.

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...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

 

....what'd they think of it?? :blink::blink::blink:

 

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<

Agreed, not very nautical although the cargo sure is.

 

We have a long tradition of having fun keeping track of all this - all good.

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So there is is - not much of a load as yet. Still containers to be loaded by the crane in the background. What are they going to do with the over-wide boats?

 

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There were some twitpics recently by people who saw banners and flags down in the financial district. Maybe it's narrow-focussed so far.

 

As you know by PM there are heavy rollers that even I know of, coming in from as far afield as Auckland and Sydney for the August event.

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There were some twitpics recently by people who saw banners and flags down in the financial district. Maybe it's narrow-focussed so far.

 

As you know by PM there are heavy rollers that even I know of, coming in from as far afield as Auckland and Sydney for the August event.

 

Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

 

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.

 

I'm talking about an entire city, the host city nonetheless, 6 1/2 weeks before the event, ~totally~ asleep at the switch from what I can tell.

 

Every other venue has embraced this event with highly proactive and visible campaigns, numerous press releases, fireworks, shows, specific redevelopment plans, events, committees and sub committees dedicated to sponsorship and promotion, all sorts of plans to make the most of the event.

 

Maybe we should be rejoicing because some special interest group concerned about plastic water bottles or swimming in the bay on a Saturday hasn't filed a law suit.

 

RC nailed it when he said something to the effect that we're glad to be here, but I'm not sure the city feels the same way.

 

Literally, just how arrogant/ignorant can a city be ??

 

Like I said, I hope they put the right foot forward, if they can find it. Looks like a real big ask at this point, and I see absolutely no indications anything of merit is in the works.

 

Sorry, but a 10x10 flea market canopy is not quite what I had in mind.

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Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

 

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.

 

Yep, pretty low-key so far. On the other hand, it is a small city, so drumming up attendance could reasonably be expected to be a short term effort. Any out-of-town AC devotees are already well aware of the activity. On the gripping hand, low profile means less competition for prime viewing spots for us. . . ;)

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...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

 

....what'd they think of it?? :blink::blink:

 

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<

 

They would correctly assume that some people have no lives :D

 

There is a very good chance that the train will arrive safely and on time without the assistance of the SA team tweakers .

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Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

 

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.

 

Yep, pretty low-key so far. On the other hand, it is a small city, so drumming up attendance could reasonably be expected to be a short term effort. Any out-of-town AC devotees are already well aware of the activity. On the gripping hand, low profile means less competition for prime viewing spots for us. . . ;)

 

Pretty low key ? That's a safe statement for sure.

 

Not sure I agree with the small city though - the SF Bay area population is over 7M people - no comparison to any of the other ACWS venues.

 

I'll gladly sacrifice prime viewing spots for a successful event.

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...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

 

....what'd they think of it?? :blink::blink:

 

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<

 

They would correctly assume that some people have no lives :D

 

 

You can't be referring to someone in a tent with a solar panel and dial up modem bitching about stadium racing wink.gif

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...wow,,still here,eh :blink:

,,,ah well ,,I was pretty stuck in the VO.

 

....kinda staggering around,,like the race is done,,party's over,,

,,,,and I'm not -quite- sure what I'm doing next :(

 

 

 

 

 

...almost ;)

 

 

 

my big question is wether Stingrat will learn how t'post pictures by the time he reaches 7000 posts!?! :unsure:

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Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

 

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging