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CYC Race To Mackinac - Weather and...

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Hot and light with a chance of wet and heavy

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magic 8 ball says "its way to f*cking early to make predictions"

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changeable....

if you don't like what you got at the moment, wait 45 minutes it will be different.

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100% chance of nasty ass flies. Really, really dark from 10:30 pm until about 4:30 am.

 

edit: nasty-ass flies not nasty ass flies... Though I am sure some of our crew will draw the ass flies.

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There will be weather.

 

100% chance of raining sweat during boat prep this weekend.

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blowing stink on the nose or 20 from the south?

-000

 

and something in between as well.

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blowing stink on the nose or 20 from the south?

-000

OMG. I thought you knew better by now!

 

Hroth

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the one thing that can be assured is that there will be a pressure ridge situated such that the entire fleet escapes north EXCEPT all of the T-10's which will be left bobbing on the lake until they give up wed midday...or am I just hatin'

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As usual, sailflow is completely changing wind direction and velocity at the south bouy every time I look.... as it will until an hour before the race.

-000

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As usual, sailflow is completely changing wind direction and velocity at the south bouy every time I look.... as it will until an hour before the race.

-000

+1

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the one thing that can be assured is that there will be a pressure ridge situated such that the entire fleet escapes north EXCEPT all of the T-10's which will be left bobbing on the lake until they give up wed midday...or am I just hatin'

 

At least we will be ahead of the J30s.....oh damn!

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From Chris Bedford (if you didn't read it yet)

"High pressure will be moving south and east of Lake Michigan on Saturday morning. A weak SW'ly flow is forecast to develop across most of the ...lake at first, but local SE'ly lake breezes are expected to develop along the IL and WI shores during Saturday afternoon. Overnight Saturday and into Sunday, the high pressure moves further east and the SW flow returns overnight Saturday and into Sunday. This SW'ly wind will build with time and could provide a relatively quickly running breeze of fresh

15-20 knot winds on Sunday over the northern two-thirds of the lake.

 

We are watching a low pressure which is expected to move east across Ontario north of Lake Superior on Sunday, with a trailing cold front likely to move south-southeast across Superior and into northern Lake Michigan sometime on Sunday or Monday. There is considerable uncertainty on the timing of this important weather feature. The front is expected to shift winds from moderate/fresh SW'lies to a moderate N or possible NE winds as it moves south across the Straits and northern Lake Michigan. Timing on this front moving into the race area ranges from as early as mid-day Sunday to as late as Monday morning. With such a wide disparity in the forecast models, this front is developing as the key weather feature to watch for the race.

 

Weather-wise, the start and first 24 hours of the race look benign.

Increasing risks of showers and thunderstorms will be encountered over the northern half of third of the lake, especially Sunday afternoon through Monday. The details on this action await further confidence in the forecast regarding the movement of the front south out of upper MI and into the lake Sunday/Monday."

 

-000

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A cold front on Sunday night of the Mac? Nooooooo.

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This could be one of those rare years where it blows out of the north. Triple reefed main and #4, pukers to leeward

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Great. A grand drifting contest after the start for the first 24 hours, then an pounding uphill battle in a NE breeze later up the course.

 

Glad I'm missing it this year. That, and the Grand has ruined all my favorite bars...

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From Chris Bedford (if you didn't read it yet)

"High pressure will be moving south and east of Lake Michigan on Saturday morning. A weak SW'ly flow is forecast to develop across most of the ...lake at first, but local SE'ly lake breezes are expected to develop along the IL and WI shores during Saturday afternoon. Overnight Saturday and into Sunday, the high pressure moves further east and the SW flow returns overnight Saturday and into Sunday. This SW'ly wind will build with time and could provide a relatively quickly running breeze of fresh

15-20 knot winds on Sunday over the northern two-thirds of the lake.

 

We are watching a low pressure which is expected to move east across Ontario north of Lake Superior on Sunday, with a trailing cold front likely to move south-southeast across Superior and into northern Lake Michigan sometime on Sunday or Monday. There is considerable uncertainty on the timing of this important weather feature. The front is expected to shift winds from moderate/fresh SW'lies to a moderate N or possible NE winds as it moves south across the Straits and northern Lake Michigan. Timing on this front moving into the race area ranges from as early as mid-day Sunday to as late as Monday morning. With such a wide disparity in the forecast models, this front is developing as the key weather feature to watch for the race.

 

Weather-wise, the start and first 24 hours of the race look benign.

Increasing risks of showers and thunderstorms will be encountered over the northern half of third of the lake, especially Sunday afternoon through Monday. The details on this action await further confidence in the forecast regarding the movement of the front south out of upper MI and into the lake Sunday/Monday."

 

-000

 

That looks like last years forecast verbatim.

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From Chris Bedford (if you didn't read it yet)

"High pressure will be moving south and east of Lake Michigan on Saturday morning. A weak SW'ly flow is forecast to develop across most of the ...lake at first, but local SE'ly lake breezes are expected to develop along the IL and WI shores during Saturday afternoon. Overnight Saturday and into Sunday, the high pressure moves further east and the SW flow returns overnight Saturday and into Sunday. This SW'ly wind will build with time and could provide a relatively quickly running breeze of fresh

15-20 knot winds on Sunday over the northern two-thirds of the lake.

 

We are watching a low pressure which is expected to move east across Ontario north of Lake Superior on Sunday, with a trailing cold front likely to move south-southeast across Superior and into northern Lake Michigan sometime on Sunday or Monday. There is considerable uncertainty on the timing of this important weather feature. The front is expected to shift winds from moderate/fresh SW'lies to a moderate N or possible NE winds as it moves south across the Straits and northern Lake Michigan. Timing on this front moving into the race area ranges from as early as mid-day Sunday to as late as Monday morning. With such a wide disparity in the forecast models, this front is developing as the key weather feature to watch for the race.

 

Weather-wise, the start and first 24 hours of the race look benign.

Increasing risks of showers and thunderstorms will be encountered over the northern half of third of the lake, especially Sunday afternoon through Monday. The details on this action await further confidence in the forecast regarding the movement of the front south out of upper MI and into the lake Sunday/Monday."

 

-000

 

That looks like last years forecast verbatim.

 

My thoughts exactly.

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Slow or medium fast? I can't jinx it because I ain't going...

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Well folks, get those GoPro's ready for this one, since those of not racing want to see all the 'action'. !

 

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Starting times changed! Check the cyc race site for the addendum. Looking like everything moved up 40 minutes.

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Starting times changed! Check the cyc race site for the addendum. Looking like everything moved up 40 minutes.

 

Still 12:50 for the J/111s. So no change this week.

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Whoever makes it to the NE fresh breeze first looks to have the edge. The big ultralight boats will do well

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I've been asked a bunch of times already, so to reiterate we WILL BE STREAMING THE SKIPPERS MEETING AND WEATHER BRIEFING LIVE.

 

On the front page.

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I've been asked a bunch of times already, so to reiterate we WILL BE STREAMING THE SKIPPERS MEETING AND WEATHER BRIEFING LIVE.

 

On the front page.

No low light(life) interviews???

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I've been asked a bunch of times already, so to reiterate we WILL BE STREAMING THE SKIPPERS MEETING AND WEATHER BRIEFING LIVE.

 

On the front page.

No low light(life) interviews???

 

Hell yes, and we've already got a pile scheduled too. Would be honored to have ya join us on camera if ya can arrange it!

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sick as a dog, going to sleep. see y'all tomorrow

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Hot and light with a chance of wet and heavy

That's what I figure for the NACC...........see you August 2nd.

 

I have 2 free nights for dinner???????????? Thursday and Saturday Nights are open, anyone wanna show me Chicago dinning?

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I've been asked a bunch of times already, so to reiterate we WILL BE STREAMING THE SKIPPERS MEETING AND WEATHER BRIEFING LIVE.

 

On the front page.

 

Front page? WTF is that?

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No worries - Wind on Wednesday and Thursday should be great.

 

Just when they'll need it. :)

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No worries - Wind on Wednesday and Thursday should be great.

 

Just when they'll need it. :)

Don't be a hater

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I just hope the weather aint like what Im looking at at JFK right now.

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Live from the CYC waterfront right now - skipper's meeting in 45 minutes.

 

front page for it or justin.tv/onthewateranarchy if ya want the chat room.

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Nice pics of the new Hanse 630 starting in Cruising 1 from John Baxter, Doyle Chicago.

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Tim Prophit (oneguyfromdetroit) talks about the Fast Tango.

 

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Skipper's Meeting and Weather Briefing, in case you missed it.

 

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Part 1 of the starts, (and big apologies to the two classes before the Tartan 10s because we missed ya):

 

http://www.justin.tv/onthewateranarchy/b/325769758

 

The big boats, the fast boats, the multihulls, the Monster - they're all here in Part 2 of On-The-Water Anarchy's coverage of the biggest freshwater yacht race in North America. Here it is!

 

http://www.justin.tv/onthewateranarchy/b/325770229

 

Part 3 is just a half hour of videos, including a few live call-ins from the boats already started and some ideas about possible plans for groundbreaking, all-race live coverage for next year's race. Enjoy.

 

http://www.justin.tv/onthewateranarchy/b/325771961

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Part 1 of the starts, (and big apologies to the two classes before the Tartan 10s because we missed ya):

 

http://www.justin.tv...chy/b/325769758

 

The big boats, the fast boats, the multihulls, the Monster - they're all here in Part 2 of On-The-Water Anarchy's coverage of the biggest freshwater yacht race in North America. Here it is!

 

http://www.justin.tv...chy/b/325770229

 

Part 3 is just a half hour of videos, including a few live call-ins from the boats already started and some ideas about possible plans for groundbreaking, all-race live coverage for next year's race. Enjoy.

 

http://www.justin.tv...chy/b/325771961

 

Gooday y'all. B R I L L I A N T F A B U L O U S W O W & a 1000 other adjectives. Unbeatable presentation. Here I'm stuck in a house (with pneumonia in both lungs) all the way around the world - in OZ & I can watch you guys racing in the Chi to Mac race. How bloody good is that - can't get any better - Not enough words to fiind & use to express my thanks ! ! ! ! T H A N K S V E R Y M U C H ciao, james

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There is nothing easier than to root for Jan and Meade Gougeon. Both world class sailors but more than that, world class people. Meade helping High Priority last week is not out of character...these guys are special..

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Frickin slow out there at daybreak

 

No ride this year grinder?

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real light here in Chicago now. Looks like the lake is shaping up that way too. BT on the Peerless is crushing - a 30 footer up with the 70s...go the PEERLESS

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Peerless is killing it for sure. In fact it is almost not fair when they can go this fast....

 

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They've gone to plaid!

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Hey Yellowbrick

 

You got Geronimo in Section 5 listed at 0.821. He should be at 0.917. There are 2 Geronimos in the race, one in Section 5 and one in Section 8 (which is the one that is 0.821).

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From REW, Cheekee Monkee:

 

"23 mi from Manitou, 70s everywhere and a couple of multis. Northerly is here"

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I've been watching this race on and off today and saw Windquest head off the shore towards the Manitous. Then they just parked it. Looks like they have similar, if not better, breeze where they are. Their ripping along at 2.3 kts in what looks to be 7 kts of wind. Did someone not empty the water ballast? Are they draging a Bene on the keel?

 

Or, just trouble updating?

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100% chance of nasty ass flies. Really, really dark from 10:30 pm until about 4:30 am.

 

edit: nasty-ass flies not nasty ass flies... Though I am sure some of our crew will draw the ass flies.

 

Just curious: would there be a fly that you would call an ass fly that wouldn't be nasty?

- or - what would make nasty ass flies worse than regular ass flies?

 

:ph34r:

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Folks, they have a hundred miles to go. There are 2-3 races left to go...things will change.

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Does anyone know what design/model is Peerless sailed by Brian Torresen in Sec 2?

It's a (heavily) modified Melges 30.

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Does anyone know what design/model is Peerless sailed by Brian Torresen in Sec 2?

More importantly, have you seen BT without a hat? Shield your children's eyes!

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Does anyone know what design/model is Peerless sailed by Brian Torresen in Sec 2?

It's a (heavily) modified Melges 30.

Essentially a Melges with the mother of all bow sprits! Even the Cone probably feels prodder-envy around the mighty Peerless.

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Hey Yellowbrick

 

You got Geronimo in Section 5 listed at 0.821. He should be at 0.917. There are 2 Geronimos in the race, one in Section 5 and one in Section 8 (which is the one that is 0.821).

 

Corrected. Sorry.

 

Also corrected the Section number for Peerless.

 

Nick @ YB

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Folks, they have a hundred miles to go. There are 2-3 races left to go...things will change.

 

since it is Sunday, here is our daily bible lesson: "So the last shall be first, and the first last.." (Matthew 20:16)

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Hey Yellowbrick

 

You got Geronimo in Section 5 listed at 0.821. He should be at 0.917. There are 2 Geronimos in the race, one in Section 5 and one in Section 8 (which is the one that is 0.821).

 

Corrected. Sorry.

 

Also corrected the Section number for Peerless.

 

Nick @ YB

 

 

Thanks again Nick /YB!

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All in all I think yellowbrick tracking has been spectacular! Credit where credit is due after last years total washout (wifey was pissed she couldn't track us)...

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Frickin slow out there at daybreak

 

No ride this year grinder?

 

fucking work. Had to bail on Imedi.

 

Holy fuck is Puma launched. Windquest waaaaay back

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All in all I think yellowbrick tracking has been spectacular! Credit where credit is due after last years total washout (wifey was pissed she couldn't track us)...

+1.

 

The section and fleet estimated positions are quite useful. Most appreciated.

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Frickin slow out there at daybreak

 

No ride this year grinder?

 

fucking work. Had to bail on Imedi.

 

Holy fuck is Puma launched. Windquest waaaaay back

 

The soap freighter might be suffering from a little stage fright...they had the same problem with Beau Geste

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WTF happened to Il Mostro? GThey've been 2nm off of Christmas Cove for a couple of hours. Tracker off?

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What were those on Natalie J thinking going to the lee of the island?

 

 

 

Its still a long race. Those guys know what they are doing. Gotta sail what you got. Looks like they are in a hole.

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What were those on Natalie J thinking going to the lee of the island?

 

 

 

Its still a long race. Those guys know what they are doing. Gotta sail what you got. Looks like they are in a hole.

 

 

I'm sorry but 2 rules to this race. Do not get to far inland behind pt. Betsie and do not get caught in the lee of the islands. I knew that when I was 17 in the 80's.

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It looks like Peerless is within 5 miles of the STP 65 and ahead of the TP 52. Pretty impressive for a 32 ft boat to be mixed in with the 70 footers with less than 70 miles to go.

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Check out the track of the cruising class. Three boats going OUTSIDE Beaver Island and Endeviour cutting between South and North Manitou.

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Three or four solid gusts of 35 knots in between pt. Betsie and manitou, we were caught off guard with the A2 up, needless to say we went sideways for awhile.

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It looks like Peerless is within 5 miles of the STP 65 and ahead of the TP 52. Pretty impressive for a 32 ft boat to be mixed in with the 70 footers with less than 70 miles to go.

Photos from onboard with her pacing the Carcrceek 40 and ahead of Mainstreet at sunset are just nuts. That boat is flying! GTFP!!!

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I have a big problem with Infinite Diversion. Loaded up with top racing sailors, doing a cruising race. What up with that? I even have a good friend on the boat. I thought they were racing, till I saw them in cruising section.

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I have a big problem with Infinite Diversion. Loaded up with top racing sailors, doing a cruising race. What up with that? I even have a good friend on the boat. I thought they were racing, till I saw them in cruising section.

 

Had a poke around...It certainly is about as far from race boat as you can get. She just finished I think...plenty quick, sure, but how do you race a 60 footer with just four tiny powered winches?

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Clean, looks like your Nat J guys are going Island sailing

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Got trounced!

 

Looks more like they gave themselves a boot in the nuts..............

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Can someone point me to the results? I can only find last years!

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So what happened at the Section 2 start that has resulted in the 3 protests filed?

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Vanda 3 could have made it the trifecta if they sailed OD.

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I guess just a small boat race...never enough breeze to get the big boats going, and a nice fill from the West after the big dogs were done? Or just a shit ton of moderate air upwind work for all?

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Vanda 3 could have made it the trifecta if they sailed OD.

Not sure what you're saying here. Unless standings and times need tweeking yet.

They are 4th in their division, and had they chose to race OD instead of handicap mish-mash they'd be 2nd to Realt in that division, and that OD section.

Yes, they are 1st in that non-OD section.

What trifecta?

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So J-109's win the whole thing?

Looking at the Mackinac Cup results, the Johnstones et al have to be celebrating today, J/109's, J/111's & a J/122 took the top 9 spots and 12 of the top 15...WOW!

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So J-109's win the whole thing?

Looking at the Mackinac Cup results, the Johnstones et al have to be celebrating today, J/109's, J/111's & a J/122 took the top 9 spots and 12 of the top 15...WOW!

 

Which is kind of funny, considering who Stew sailed with and that outcome...

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