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Boston Mayor Vows To Block Chick-Fil-A From Opening Restaurant

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

 

Homophobe.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

 

Yup if a business doesn't comport to community standard s no permit. Kind of like guiliani chasing the porn merchant from times square

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

 

Yup if a business doesn't comport to community standard s no permit. Kind of like guiliani chasing the porn merchant from times square

 

Where does one draw the line. BG? If the management of a business expresses his/her beliefs and the mayor disagrees with those beliefs, the mayor should be able to shut down the business?

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Maybe not if they legally got a permit. But it is certainly acceptable to say to a business " you don't comport to the standards of our community we will not allow you to open in our municipality"

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

 

Yup if a business doesn't comport to community standard s no permit. Kind of like guiliani chasing the porn merchant from times square

 

Where does one draw the line. BG? If the management of a business expresses his/her beliefs and the mayor disagrees with those beliefs, the mayor should be able to shut down the business?

 

Yes, he's a troll. What's your point?

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Mennino vs Cathy - the belief that gay marriage is O.K. vs gay marriage is not O.K. - Fewer jobs for inner city kids vs entry level jobs for the population with the worst unemployment. The best example that you must think a certain way and that thought control is more important than jobs I've ever seen.

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Maybe not if they legally got a permit. But it is certainly acceptable to say to a business " you don't comport to the standards of our community we will not allow you to open in our municipality"

 

So it would be OK for a conservative Christian town to ban a gay owned business based on the business not comporting to the standards of the community.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

 

I also avoid church religiously.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

 

I also avoid church religiously.

I don't go to church on sundays either but, unlike Chick-Fil-A, they are open.

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Maybe not if they legally got a permit. But it is certainly acceptable to say to a business " you don't comport to the standards of our community we will not allow you to open in our municipality"

 

So it would be OK for a conservative Christian town to ban a gay owned business based on the business not comporting to the standards of the community.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

 

Yes.

 

Course the gay business would never try to locate there in the first place.

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Maybe not if they legally got a permit. But it is certainly acceptable to say to a business " you don't comport to the standards of our community we will not allow you to open in our municipality"

 

So it would be OK for a conservative Christian town to ban a gay owned business based on the business not comporting to the standards of the community.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

 

Yes.

 

Course the gay business would never try to locate there in the first place.

 

Gatorshit.

 

The gay business would challenge the ban and the conservative community imposing it . Success of their movement has been based on confrontation of barriers.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

Yep, Business is not The Lord. Business operates at the pleasure of The People. The People don't like intolerant businesses. End of Story.

 

Is there something you abhor about states rights and local rights? Or should "business", the God that It Is, be able to simply do exactly what they want anywhere?

 

You gotta replace that pic of Trump on your wall with one of the Dalai Lama.

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Boston won't allow Wal-Mart either, so it's not just the gay thing. They are trying to build a sustainable community, so they said to Wal-Mart "given the low level of wages and benefits you pay, we (the state or city) is likely to have to give welfare, food stamps and other freebies to your employees to make them able to live here"....

 

I'm glad someone is taking a stand. If we didn't, our country would be owned even more by the chinese, japanese and foreign corporations......as well as by other multi-nationals like Wal-Mart. I enjoy a more local and diversified economy.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

I'm sorry, but the idea of Trollston talking about consequences for offensive speech for others is just fucking priceless.

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I see a lot off offensive speech on this thread and the Colorado shooting thread but none of it from me. Unless of course you find reasonable speech offensive..

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

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Redboatshit

 

Is that a reply?

 

Do you disagree with my statement? Oh, nevermind. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

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Redboatshit

 

Is that a reply?

 

Do you disagree with my statement? Oh, nevermind. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

 

Yes I gave you the same respect you gave me. However you were too stupid to notice..

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Like Bloomberg and large cokes?.....

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

its not leadership. its asinine petty behaviour.

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I see a lot off offensive speech on this thread and the Colorado shooting thread but none of it from me. Unless of course you find reasonable speech offensive..

 

I find no speech offensive.

 

 

But what you post comes awfully close.

 

 

The Constitutional Guaranteed right of Freedom of Speech was not to protect popular speech but unpopular. The Mayor of Boston is using the same excuse used to by the Democrats back in the 1950's to defend Jim Crow laws.

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The Constitutional Guaranteed right of Freedom of Speech was not to protect popular speech but unpopular. The Mayor of Boston is using the same excuse used to by the Democrats back in the 1950's to defend Jim Crow laws.

 

That's absolutely correct and de Toqueville would have been ashamed of this guy.

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Boston won't allow Wal-Mart either, so it's not just the gay thing. They are trying to build a sustainable community, so they said to Wal-Mart "given the low level of wages and benefits you pay, we (the state or city) is likely to have to give welfare, food stamps and other freebies to your employees to make them able to live here"....

 

I'm glad someone is taking a stand. If we didn't, our country would be owned even more by the chinese, japanese and foreign corporations......as well as by other multi-nationals like Wal-Mart. I enjoy a more local and diversified economy.

You're absolutely right. It's far better to have people on unemployment and food stamps instead of employed at minimum wage! In fact, I don't think anyone should get off the couch for less than twenty bucks an hour. That'll teach China!

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Boston won't allow Wal-Mart either, so it's not just the gay thing. They are trying to build a sustainable community, so they said to Wal-Mart "given the low level of wages and benefits you pay, we (the state or city) is likely to have to give welfare, food stamps and other freebies to your employees to make them able to live here"....

 

I'm glad someone is taking a stand. If we didn't, our country would be owned even more by the chinese, japanese and foreign corporations......as well as by other multi-nationals like Wal-Mart. I enjoy a more local and diversified economy.

You're absolutely right. It's far better to have people on unemployment and food stamps instead of employed at minimum wage! In fact, I don't think anyone should get off the couch for less than twenty bucks an hour. That'll teach China!

 

Well living in Wisconsin one can't blame you for having no idea what a vibrant middle class is.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

Yep, Business is not The Lord. Business operates at the pleasure of The People. The People don't like intolerant businesses. End of Story.

 

Is there something you abhor about states rights and local rights? Or should "business", the God that It Is, be able to simply do exactly what they want anywhere?

 

You gotta replace that pic of Trump on your wall with one of the Dalai Lama.

 

I don't abhor state rights and local rights, I adore them....as long as they do not violate the Constitution. The Fed has too much power, and is grasping at more.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

I'd like to see a bit of leadership now.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

I don't for health reasons.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

I don't for health reasons.

I don't go because I'm chicken.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

I don't for health reasons.

I don't go because I'm chicken.

You shouldn't let them cow you with their advertising.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

Agree, if you don't like the company policies don't patronize it.

I don't go there on sundays for religious reasons.

I don't for health reasons.

I don't go because I'm chicken.

 

Nicely played

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Boston won't allow Wal-Mart either, so it's not just the gay thing. They are trying to build a sustainable community, so they said to Wal-Mart "given the low level of wages and benefits you pay, we (the state or city) is likely to have to give welfare, food stamps and other freebies to your employees to make them able to live here"....

 

I'm glad someone is taking a stand. If we didn't, our country would be owned even more by the chinese, japanese and foreign corporations......as well as by other multi-nationals like Wal-Mart. I enjoy a more local and diversified economy.

You're absolutely right. It's far better to have people on unemployment and food stamps instead of employed at minimum wage! In fact, I don't think anyone should get off the couch for less than twenty bucks an hour. That'll teach China!

 

Well living in Wisconsin one can't blame you for having no idea what a vibrant middle class is.

Actually, we have a pretty decent middle class. Keep in mind that the cost of living is pretty reasonable here, so it doesn't take a whole lot of money to live a respectable life.

 

I'll even embarrass myself to demonstrate the validity of my comment. I only make about 60K a year. Not that great. But my modest 1400 square foot house a block from Lake Michigan and under a mile from the yacht club only cost 120K. It only costs roughly a thousand bucks a year to cover slip fees and winter storage, including launch and haul for a thirty foot boat here. It doesn't take much money to enjoy life in our state.

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

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Although I've only eaten at a Chick-Fil-A one too many times in my life and wouldn't again even if the company wasn't owned by a loudmouthed homophobic ignoramus, denying them a permit based on the religion of the companies owner is just wrong.

 

He has the right to be a bigoted homophobic shit-sack, and you can not deny him a permit for the business on those grounds.

 

If he says he won't serve gays in his restaurant, that's another issue entirely. But just because his religion tells him to hate gays and discriminate against them socially does not mean he can be discriminated against on the basis of that hateful religion.

 

Stupid issue, stupid way to tackle it. Better to say "If Chick-fil-A does clear the necessary permits to open a store, you can be sure that the I will not welcome or patronize them until they clean up their act".

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Although I've only eaten at a Chick-Fil-A one too many times in my life and wouldn't again even if the company wasn't owned by a loudmouthed homophobic ignoramus, denying them a permit based on the religion of the companies owner is just wrong.

 

He has the right to be a bigoted homophobic shit-sack, and you can not deny him a permit for the business on those grounds.

 

If he says he won't serve gays in his restaurant, that's another issue entirely. But just because his religion tells him to hate gays and discriminate against them socially does not mean he can be discriminated against on the basis of that hateful religion.

 

Stupid issue, stupid way to tackle it. Better to say "If Chick-fil-A does clear the necessary permits to open a store, you can be sure that the I will not welcome or patronize them until they clean up their act".

 

Whattaya know, BJ - we can agree on this. I don't like lots of stuff I hear, but, the fact that I don't like it doesn't mean that I have any right to constrain those offensive comments/positions.

 

Refute, argue, disagree? absolutely. Constrain? Never.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

Yep, Business is not The Lord. Business operates at the pleasure of The People. The People don't like intolerant businesses. End of Story.

 

Is there something you abhor about states rights and local rights? Or should "business", the God that It Is, be able to simply do exactly what they want anywhere?

 

You gotta replace that pic of Trump on your wall with one of the Dalai Lama.

See how that works? It does work. Much better than the all-mighty Obama enforcing the "one size fits all" form of government.

 

If the mayor of Boston does not like Chick-Fil-A so be it. If the people of Boston want the business, they will elect another mayor.

 

States rights exist for a reason. The writers of the Constitution were smart that way.

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If he says he won't serve gays in his restaurant, that's another issue entirely. But just because his religion tells him to hate gays and discriminate against them socially does not mean he can be discriminated against on the basis of that hateful religion.

 

Fweedom is always best when you can force others to do what you want them to.

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BOSTON (AP) — The mayor of Boston is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city after the company's president spoke out publicly against gay marriage.

 

Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald (
) on Thursday that he doesn't want a business in the city "that discriminates against a population."

 

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this week that his privately owned company is "guilty as charged" in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family.

 

The fast-food chicken sandwich chain later said that it strives to "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender."

 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A has more than 1,600 stores nationwide but just two in Massachusetts, both located in suburban malls. (
)

 

 

 

I was in favor of gay marriage before Obama, but this is such bull shit. What next, Menino, shut down all the Catholic churches in the city?

 

What a douche.

 

+1

 

Menino is confused about the limits of his own power.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

 

Yup if a business doesn't comport to community standard s no permit. Kind of like guiliani chasing the porn merchant from times square

 

That's complete and utter bullshit... the government has absolutely no authority to grant or withhold permits based on political activity by a business owner.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

Yep, Business is not The Lord. Business operates at the pleasure of The People. The People don't like intolerant businesses. End of Story.

 

Is there something you abhor about states rights and local rights? Or should "business", the God that It Is, be able to simply do exactly what they want anywhere?

 

You gotta replace that pic of Trump on your wall with one of the Dalai Lama.

 

Menino is by no stretch of the imagination "the people."

 

The old-fashioned political machine is alive and well in Boston. A sitting mayor has not lost an election since James M. Curley in 1950.

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Maybe not if they legally got a permit. But it is certainly acceptable to say to a business " you don't comport to the standards of our community we will not allow you to open in our municipality"

 

So it would be OK for a conservative Christian town to ban a gay owned business based on the business not comporting to the standards of the community.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

Actually, that happens more frequently than you might think. they just don't go on the record about it.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Bullshit. A sitting mayor in Boston is electorally invincible. The city has a residency requirement for city employees; between employees and their immediate families, that's almost enough to guarantee an election victory right there.

 

And the City of Boston government is known for it's byzantine and impenetrable permitting and licensing process; there was a designated city hall employee whose job it was to make sure that only if Menino liked you could you get through the process.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Bullshit. A sitting mayor in Boston is electorally invincible. The city has a residency requirement for city employees; between employees and their immediate families, that's almost enough to guarantee an election victory right there.

 

And the City of Boston government is known for it's byzantine and impenetrable permitting and licensing process; there was a designated city hall employee whose job it was to make sure that only if Menino liked you could you get through the process.

The old BCH must have had some kind of waiver. I lived in Waltham.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Bullshit. A sitting mayor in Boston is electorally invincible. The city has a residency requirement for city employees; between employees and their immediate families, that's almost enough to guarantee an election victory right there.

 

And the City of Boston government is known for it's byzantine and impenetrable permitting and licensing process; there was a designated city hall employee whose job it was to make sure that only if Menino liked you could you get through the process.

The old BCH must have had some kind of waiver.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Bullshit. A sitting mayor in Boston is electorally invincible. The city has a residency requirement for city employees; between employees and their immediate families, that's almost enough to guarantee an election victory right there.

 

And the City of Boston government is known for it's byzantine and impenetrable permitting and licensing process; there was a designated city hall employee whose job it was to make sure that only if Menino liked you could you get through the process.

If that is indeed the case, and I have no reason to doubt you since I live on the other coast, then how is this exercise of mayoral power any different from any other? Is Menino wrong for going after Chick Fil A or is Boston wrong for its political system?

 

I don't see this as a Free Speech issue; maybe I'm wrong and the courts will decide otherwise. Menino isn't writing a law; he's exercising a law and not granting a permit. Instead, this is more similar to Texas banning Planned Parenthood from state programs, a case which is in the courts.

 

Maybe there's another reason that Texas and Menino's actions are illegal other than Free Speech.

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

 

careful - you may be accused of pointing out the double standards of the left in this country. You may be subject to ridicule and silly graphics from 'educated' people..

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As a fast food jumkie i ahve prety much triedall teh common brands anybody here might name. But I have never set foot in a ChiK-FiL-A.

 

 

I might have had a sandhich at a food court a lomng time ago but i honestly don't remember so i am willing to claim never.

 

 

 

Regardless. I never had a reason for not eating there other than "the streak."

 

 

 

Now I do.

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If that is indeed the case, and I have no reason to doubt you since I live on the other coast, then how is this exercise of mayoral power any different from any other? Is Menino wrong for going after Chick Fil A or is Boston wrong for its political system?

It's wrong because it is arbitrary, capricious, and grossly outside a mayor's authority to threaten to block (or actually block) a legitimate business on the grounds that the owner is an asshole. Even if the owner is an asshole.

 

I don't see this as a Free Speech issue; maybe I'm wrong and the courts will decide otherwise. Menino isn't writing a law; he's exercising a law and not granting a permit.

 

I don't think it's a free speech issue; it's just that it is the licensing laws, and not the whim of the mayor, that stipulate what the eligibility requirements for a license are. The mayor's job is to carry out the laws, not to make them up on the fly.

 

 

The mayor would have been fine if, instead of blustering and threatening, he used his position to say, "Hey, I think the guy's an asshole, and he espouses values that are at odds with a post-enlightenment secular democracy, and you'll never see me in his shop." Period. Then it would be speech vs speech, entirely in the clear.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Bullshit. A sitting mayor in Boston is electorally invincible. The city has a residency requirement for city employees; between employees and their immediate families, that's almost enough to guarantee an election victory right there.

 

And the City of Boston government is known for it's byzantine and impenetrable permitting and licensing process; there was a designated city hall employee whose job it was to make sure that only if Menino liked you could you get through the process.

The old BCH must have had some kind of waiver. I lived in Waltham.

 

The law was updated in 1994. There are exemptions for members of certain unions, and for friends of the mayor.

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

 

I think you'll find that the people like me, who have a principled position on free speech and against government officials abusing their authority, are pretty consistent, and we've been just as vocal in our opposition to the mayor of Boston as we would be to the same behavior by someone with a different political label or affiliation.

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

 

I think you'll find that the people like me, who have a principled position on free speech and against government officials abusing their authority, are pretty consistent, and we've been just as vocal in our opposition to the mayor of Boston as we would be to the same behavior by someone with a different political label or affiliation.

 

I'll give you credit there....seems that you & I can easily despise moronic morons from both sides of the political rainbow....

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

 

I think you'll find that the people like me, who have a principled position on free speech and against government officials abusing their authority, are pretty consistent, and we've been just as vocal in our opposition to the mayor of Boston as we would be to the same behavior by someone with a different political label or affiliation.

Does the mayor have supreme control? Is there a City Council or a board that he has to deal with?

 

A small town South of here just went through something similar with a tattoo parlor. The mayor stated publicly that people with tattoos were undesirable. The Council allowed the business to open. That is the way things should work.

 

Speech was never an issue. The Mayor had his, the business owner had his, and so did quite a few of his supporters. In the end, the business meets the advertizement restrictions and business hour restrictions of the zone it is in.

 

You could say the same thing about strip clubs. How many places have they been excluded from?

 

The mayor is certainly biased in his opinion, however the mayor is elected. I certainly think Obamacare is the wrong solution, but the law was passed, and signed. It was ruled legal by the Supreme Court.

 

In my view this is why we have elections. This is why we have local and state control in most situations. This is why the Federal Government is restricted by the Constitution.

 

BTW, Chic-Fil-A is a lot better than KFC. The service is outstanding for a fast food joint an the food is much better than KFC. I don't eat there often, but if I'm in a hurry it is a better choice than the golden arches, or Taco Bell..

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While I personally don't like tattoos:

 

Appeals Court Overturns Hermosa Beach's Ban on Tattoo Parlors

 

 

 

I agree with the mayor's wish to keep his city clean, he and the council know that this would be the outcome.

 

 

When the strip club in Santa Barbara opened, the city council had an emergency meeting. One of the councilmen got up to the stand a proclaimed that he would shut the strip club down. He would yank their liquor licence! The Club owner calmly stood up, and said "You can't do that, I don't have a liquor licence! I serve soda and juice." The club is still open 15 years later.

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

 

I think you'll find that the people like me, who have a principled position on free speech and against government officials abusing their authority, are pretty consistent, and we've been just as vocal in our opposition to the mayor of Boston as we would be to the same behavior by someone with a different political label or affiliation.

Does the mayor have supreme control? Is there a City Council or a board that he has to deal with?

Boston's city charter is pretty much unique among medium-to-large American cities in that the city council has virtually no power; this is the unitary executive writ large.

 

Low voter turnout and a very effective political machine means there is effectively no check on the mayor's power.

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Chic-Fil-A is big enough to take this to court and WIN. All this will do is cost the Bostones a fuckload of money in legal fees.

 

All he said when asked about the company's support for traditional marriage between a man and a woman, Chick-fil-A COO Dan Cathy replied, "Well, guilty as charged." Cathy continued, "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit."

 

 

What do you think a Judge (even a Gay one) will say about that?

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It's wrong because it is arbitrary, capricious, and grossly outside a mayor's authority to threaten to block (or actually block) a legitimate business on the grounds that the owner is an asshole. Even if the owner is an asshole.

I'm not convinced the mayor can't do this. If he can do this, then it becomes a political issue with the voters. Mississippi is trying to shut down abortion providers. I'm virulently pro choice but MS ain't CA.

 

Realistically, this is a Boston thing. It isn't a free speech thing. Chick fil a is welcome to make it a Federal thing but I think the adults in that company are shoving a towel into the CEOs mouth. They'd just as soon this blew over because they're in business and this isn't business. Yeah, it's private but this still isn't business.

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Chic-Fil-A is big enough to take this to court and WIN. All this will do is cost the Bostones a fuckload of money in legal fees.

 

All he said when asked about the company's support for traditional marriage between a man and a woman, Chick-fil-A COO Dan Cathy replied, "Well, guilty as charged." Cathy continued, "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit."

 

 

What do you think a Judge (even a Gay one) will say about that?

 

 

Lucky for him, I don't think it will depend on sorting that out.

 

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-23-2012/gaywatch---holdouts-edition

 

 

Our current marriage customs are not what they were then.

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RD, one thing you might consider is that Menino is putting his name on the line. In particular, if his constituents don't like that, they can get back in his face and they can also vote him out. It's called leadership. It's what we expect from our leaders.

 

Like Bloomberg and large cokes?.....

 

I like my Coke in skinny lines! tongue.gif

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Free speech is important - sometimes.

 

I think you'll find that the people like me, who have a principled position on free speech and against government officials abusing their authority, are pretty consistent, and we've been just as vocal in our opposition to the mayor of Boston as we would be to the same behavior by someone with a different political label or affiliation.

Does the mayor have supreme control? Is there a City Council or a board that he has to deal with?

Boston's city charter is pretty much unique among medium-to-large American cities in that the city council has virtually no power; this is the unitary executive writ large.

 

Low voter turnout and a very effective political machine means there is effectively no check on the mayor's power.

Wow. To each their own.

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Chic-Fil-A is big enough to take this to court and WIN. All this will do is cost the Bostones a fuckload of money in legal fees.

 

All he said when asked about the company's support for traditional marriage between a man and a woman, Chick-fil-A COO Dan Cathy replied, "Well, guilty as charged." Cathy continued, "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit."

 

 

What do you think a Judge (even a Gay one) will say about that?

I'm not so sure that they would. After all, it is just one city. Could they, yes. Would it be worth the effort? We all have choices. Keeping the lawyers on a short leash is a good thing, most times. I would just move on, and set up business elsewhere.

 

Cathy is from NC. That alone says quite a bit. Tammy Fae Baker would be proud. I still think it is funny that the Dem's national party is in Charlotte this year. That is just funny. I had to check three sources when the announcement was made, just to be sure. The only place I have ever seen a cross burned was in NC, just North of Charlotte. The Queen City is well known for three things: Banks, NASCAR, and televangelists. Cool town to visit. Sharon was a very busy lady.

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Sorry but we all have free speech.

 

You don't have to like it - you must however respect their right to it.

 

The mayor of Boston has a right to it, the owner or COO of Chik-Fil-A has a right to it.

 

You discriminate against them because of it - you got problems.

 

I'd take this shit to court and sue the crap out of Boston.

 

But that's only becuase I want to see Chik-Fil-A win on first amendment rights.

 

and yea, they've really got a good product and I love their advertising campaigns.

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Sorry but we all have free speech.

 

You don't have to like it - you must however respect their right to it.

 

The mayor of Boston has a right to it, the owner or COO of Chik-Fil-A has a right to it.

 

You discriminate against them because of it - you got problems.

 

I'd take this shit to court and sue the crap out of Boston.

 

But that's only becuase I want to see Chik-Fil-A win on first amendment rights.

 

and yea, they've really got a good product and I love their advertising campaigns.

 

I would like to see the mayor get slapped down hard on this one. His general reputation is of playing favorites, of being thin-skinned, of carrying a grudge, of having a long memory, and of being vindictive. I think this is more a case of playing favorites than of free speech, but in any case it's ridiculous on his part. He could so easily have achieved the same political and practical ends by publicly condemning the Chick-fil-A owner, without threatening to corrupt the licensing process.

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I am Liberal. This mayor is a moron. As much as I disagree with what the CEO of this company said, The government, whether federal or state, have no right to retribution on his company. This is what I despise about all of the anti-gay marriage laws in those Republican states, as well as the anti-choice laws. I'm not about to change my opinion on those tactics because someone else's Ox is getting put down.

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Sound reasonable

 

Free speech isn't free.....

 

What sounds reasonable? The mayor vowing to keep a business from opening?

 

 

Yup if a business doesn't comport to community standard s no permit. Kind of like guiliani chasing the porn merchant from times square

 

That's complete and utter bullshit... the government has absolutely no authority to grant or withhold permits based on political activity by a business owner.

 

But attempting to do so does give a little insight into why the Sierra Club and NRA bought themselves an exemption from the DISCLOSE Act. People will try to use the government to punish their political enemies, all in the name of righteousness.

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“We’re a city that’s at the forefront of inclusion” well apparently not, the freedom trail is not so free afterall .

If the people of Boston are so offended by Mr. Cathy’s belief why did they overwhelmingly vote for Obama who until recently held the same view.

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If the people of Boston are so offended by Mr. Cathy's belief why did they overwhelmingly vote for Obama who until recently held the same view.

As opposed to what alternative, who held what different view?

 

I'll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama.

 

I believe that a U.S. President, like most CEOs, really only two levers at his disposal:

  1. Recruit and appoint great people, and
  2. Use his position as a bully pulpit to convince America or the world that a particular course of action, a particular policy, is the right thing to do.

I was undecided. I was willing to put aside my concerns about McCain's age, apparent bad health, and apparent instability. I was willing to put aside my concerns about Obama's youth and complete lack of experience in running anything complex. I was seriously considering a vote for McCain.

 

And then, in his first opportunity to show us how he would handle task #1, McCain chose.... Sara Palin ????????

 

And I thought, "Jeebus, better shut that guy down before he has the chance to appoint a Supreme Court justice."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If the people of Boston are so offended by Mr. Cathy's belief why did they overwhelmingly vote for Obama who until recently held the same view.

As opposed to what alternative, who held what different view?

 

I'll tell you exactly why I voted for Obama.

 

I believe that a U.S. President, like most CEOs, really only two levers at his disposal:

  1. Recruit and appoint great people, and
  2. Use his position as a bully pulpit to convince America or the world that a particular course of action, a particular policy, is the right thing to do.

I was undecided. I was willing to put aside my concerns about McCain's age, apparent bad health, and apparent instability. I was willing to put aside my concerns about Obama's youth and complete lack of experience in running anything complex. I was seriously considering a vote for McCain.

 

And then, in his first opportunity to show us how he would handle task #1, McCain chose.... Sara Palin ????????

 

And I thought, "Jeebus, better shut that guy down before he has the chance to appoint a Supreme Court justice."

Ok, lack of an alternative is a reasonable answer to the Obama vote. My main point however stands, that the mayor’s claim that Boston is “at the forefront of inclusion” is contradicted by his demonstrated intolerance of opposing opinion.

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

What does your race and sexual orientation have to do with it? There are plenty of gays that oppose gay marriage…is that discriminatory?

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

What does your race and sexual orientation have to do with it? There are plenty of gays that oppose gay marriage…is that discriminatory?

Suggesting that a group of people should not enjoy the rights afforded to another group of people is discriminatory, so as a white male, I am being discriminated against, because bad things would happen to me if I chose to make discriminatory comments, while others can get away with it.

 

It is SO not fair.

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

This thread seems to be a about an elected official using the social views of the owner of a legitimate business as a reason to deny a permit, not the decision of people, including myself, not to patronize the business of the heterosexual white male in question.

 

I suspect you're intentionally conflating the two (see also "Palinization of the First Amendment").

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

What does your race and sexual orientation have to do with it? There are plenty of gays that oppose gay marriage…is that discriminatory?

Suggesting that a group of people should not enjoy the rights afforded to another group of people is discriminatory, so as a white male, I am being discriminated against, because bad things would happen to me if I chose to make discriminatory comments, while others can get away with it.

 

It is SO not fair.

 

Just to be clear, you're OK with the government punishing people and businesses for expressing the wrong political opinions?

 

What if the Boston Herald wrote an editorial against same-sex marriage. Would it be OK for the City of Boston to then refuse to renew their business license on that basis?

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

This thread seems to be a about an elected official using the social views of the owner of a legitimate business as a reason to deny a permit, not the decision of people, including myself, not to patronize the business of the heterosexual white male in question.

 

I suspect you're intentionally conflating the two (see also "Palinization of the First Amendment").

Just providing my thoughts on the tone of the discussion. Just another "we are such victims" thread.

 

Fwiw, the govt has no business telling anyone what they can do with the property, if it is a legal use of the property.

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

What does your race and sexual orientation have to do with it? There are plenty of gays that oppose gay marriage…is that discriminatory?

Suggesting that a group of people should not enjoy the rights afforded to another group of people is discriminatory, so as a white male, I am being discriminated against, because bad things would happen to me if I chose to make discriminatory comments, while others can get away with it.

 

It is SO not fair.

Point taken, If Mr. Cathy was a gay man they would be welcoming him in Boston and his opposition to gay marrage would not be an issue.

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As a heterosexual white male, I feel terribly victimized by not being able to make discriminatory remarks about people with a different sexual preference than mine without repercussions on my business. This is, of course, compounded by the dire consequences of even a casual utterance of the word "nigger", when black people can use it Willy Nilly without impact. Worse yet is that I have no say over whether or not a woman must carry a fetus to term in the name of the Baby Jesus after I have blessed her with a dose of God's microscopic swim team.

 

It is really tough to be a white male these days.

What does your race and sexual orientation have to do with it? There are plenty of gays that oppose gay marriage…is that discriminatory?

Suggesting that a group of people should not enjoy the rights afforded to another group of people is discriminatory, so as a white male, I am being discriminated against, because bad things would happen to me if I chose to make discriminatory comments, while others can get away with it.

 

It is SO not fair.

Point taken, If Mr. Cathy was a gay man they would be welcoming him in Boston and his opposition to gay marrage would not be an issue.

Can you imagine! How unfair is that!?!?

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I'll even embarrass myself to demonstrate the validity of my comment. I only make about 60K a year. Not that great. But my modest 1400 square foot house a block from Lake Michigan and under a mile from the yacht club only cost 120K. It only costs roughly a thousand bucks a year to cover slip fees and winter storage, including launch and haul for a thirty foot boat here. It doesn't take much money to enjoy life in our state.

 

Good on you, I made the choice to move out here knowing it would reduce my consulting income by 30-40%, but have not regretted that decision for even a minute. The ability to grab my gear, and go catch some small mouth, while watching an eagle fish the same stretch of water, for an hour or two before starting work is priceless.

 

Apologies for the thread hijack.

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Aside from being immensely stupid, the lying is not very Christian.

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Aside from being immensely stupid, the lying is not very Christian.

 

It's so bad that I would consider the possibility of a false flag operation.

 

On the other hand, given the typical demographics of advertising, PR, and the creative industries, I would imagine that if you limit your selection of PR vendors to those of the turbo-Christian variety, the pickings are pretty slim.

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Aside from being immensely stupid, the lying is not very Christian.

You reckon the Rev. Huckabee will lead another March on Chick-Fil-A to decry their violation of the 8th Commandment in order to cancel out his previous March on Chick-Fil-A to protect them from the "vicious hate speech and intolerant bigotry from the left?"

 

Or is this one of the cases where the rules laid out in the Bible are really important...sometimes.

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Aside from being immensely stupid, the lying is not very Christian.

You reckon the Rev. Huckabee will lead another March on Chick-Fil-A to decry their violation of the 8th Commandment in order to cancel out his previous March on Chick-Fil-A to protect them from the "vicious hate speech and intolerant bigotry from the left?"

 

Or is this one of the cases where the rules laid out in the Bible are really important...sometimes.

 

 

sometimes is always the critical word. There was a pastor I know who used to question whether you could be Christian if you voted for a Democrat, and reminded me of that constantly and publicly. He thought that the 7th commandment was only important sometimes. Got caught banging one of the parishioners wives. That whole confession thing the Catholics have going on would have been handy when that went down.

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Now Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former Right-Hand-Man, is against Chic-Fil-A opening in ChiTown. OBAMA is ANTI-BUSINESS!

 

Chicago ban

 

 

If Chic-Fil-A wants to open an empty store, LET THEM!

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Now Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former Right-Hand-Man, is against Chic-Fil-A opening in ChiTown. OBAMA is ANTI-BUSINESS!

 

Chicago ban

 

 

If Chic-Fil-A wants to open an empty store, LET THEM!

What is Obama's view on this issue?

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