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SR21 - Henderson vs C & C?

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I will be looking at a couple of boats this coming week. Does anyone have an opinion on the merits, or otherwise, of boats from the 2 builders ?

 

Thanks

 

Greve de Lecq

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I believe the Henderson boats will be lighter. Send a PM to Sol Rosenberg if you don't hear anything else, he is knowledgeable about the various SR designs. I've spent a bit of time on a SR33 and can say they are built well, designs were ahead of their time and they are fun boats but they are heavier than they look.

 

CC

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Buy my used Viper and be done with it, mate.

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I will be looking at a couple of boats this coming week. Does anyone have an opinion on the merits, or otherwise, of boats from the 2 builders ?

 

Thanks

 

Greve de Lecq

 

I owned an original Henderson SR Max 21 two decades ago. Loved it. Hated to sell her. But I had to.

 

 

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Might help of you gave us the era and model of the C&C you're interested in as there is a wide variance.

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C & C SR 21, '94 or '95. Hull # mid 70s to mid 80s

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I just purchased a 1994 SR 21 to race next season. Does anyone out there have, or know where I can find, an owners manual or any relevant info for it. (Rig tensioning). I'm anxious to get it in the water

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C & C SR 21, '94 or '95. Hull # mid 70s to mid 80s

 

 

It is still not clear to me what C&C you are looking at (length / model / year).

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KIS:

 

Thanks - that is new to me. I am familiar with the 24, 25, 27, 29, etc etc. (in various Mark I Mark II etc etc).

 

Greve: for all things C&C, go here www.cncphotoalbum.com. All the action is in the email list. These guys know pretty much *everything* about C&Cs.

 

Edit: corrected link

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FYI - C&C made the SR 21 (21 feet long) ;)

 

And a few (2-3) 25's.......And then the fire started......

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Those were 27's

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There was an SR 25 and an SR 27. Only a couple of 25's made though if I recall.

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SR 21--heavier than the Viper...probably a bit better upwind in slop. Rating ought to make up the difference in speed. SR 21 is not as wet as the Viper & should be better in the light stuff---it is a Henderson design, afterall. BTW, Glenn oversaw the build. C& C built a nice 25-probably the 21 is good too. If the price is good, get it...if not, get a viper 630.

 

Right on the SR 25. One (Hull # 2) in So Cal (no windows) and Hull #1 w/windows as of 6 mo. ago in Miami or nearby there. Both built by C&C. Wonderful boat! Rumors persist of hull #3 (no deck-it melted/burned in the fire) being somewhere on a lake in east Idaho or somewhere...If anyone knows...PM me details/contact info, etc. Thanks!

 

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Hull #2 finishing first in a 4 kt. breeze

 

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Hull #1 in Chicago a couple of years ago

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Henderson drew some cool boats. All the sr's the hendo 30 and 35...

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I'm not planning on advertizing 'til spring, but my SRMax (SR 21) is available. This was Glenn Henderson's personal boat (purple hull), later turbo'd by Kokopelli with a carbon mast and big asym kite on a canting bowsprit. Fun boat, just don't find time to sail it enough, so it should go to someone who will.

 

Phil

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SR 21--heavier than the Viper...probably a bit better upwind in slop. Rating ought to make up the difference in speed. SR 21 is not as wet as the Viper & should be better in the light stuff---it is a Henderson design, afterall. BTW, Glenn oversaw the build. C& C built a nice 25-probably the 21 is good too. If the price is good, get it...if not, get a viper 630.

 

Right on the SR 25. One (Hull # 2) in So Cal (no windows) and Hull #1 w/windows as of 6 mo. ago in Miami or nearby there. Both built by C&C. Wonderful boat! Rumors persist of hull #3 (no deck-it melted/burned in the fire) being somewhere on a lake in east Idaho or somewhere...If anyone knows...PM me details/contact info, etc. Thanks!

 

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Hull #2 finishing first in a 4 kt. breeze

 

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Hull #1 in Chicago a couple of years ago

 

The blue boat may be in Tampa now as 'Ruckus'.

 

From my understanding at the time the SR molds were outside the buildings and did not burn. Someone even was attempting to build 21's a few years ago.

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KIS:

 

Thanks - that is new to me. I am familiar with the 24, 25, 27, 29, etc etc. (in various Mark I Mark II etc etc).

 

Greve: for all things C&C, go here www.cncphotoalbum.com. All the action is in the email list. These guys know pretty much *everything* about C&Cs.

 

Edit: corrected link

cool site, but I have a pic of a custom 33 they did that's not on the site. I'll look for it, scan and post. please stay tuned.

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I just purchased a 1994 SR 21 to race next season. Does anyone out there have, or know where I can find, an owners manual or any relevant info for it. (Rig tensioning). I'm anxious to get it in the water

 

I have a paper copy of the owners manual, and a few tuning notes that were not all that useful. PM me and we'll figure out how to get you a copy.

 

Crime Scene

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C&C SR25. Only two made, #1 is Ruckus in Florida, and #2 is Misque in Marina Del Ray California, I was out last week, couldn't see it from the road. I don't believe any more survived the fire.

 

SR 27, apparently 9 were built. There is one for sale in Florida right now in the SA classifies.

 

SR 33... no idea how many were made, I have only found a half dozen or so that race PHRF and have a rating, there is a video of one in the Chicago Mac.

 

SR Max> versus C&C SR21. The C&C is about 20 lbs lighter than the SR Sailboats version (1,360 vs 1,380lbs) apparently build quality was a little rough, particularly inside fininshes of the C&Cs. I would suggest either boat is fine, given the price and age of the fleet. I also have the owner's manual, class rules and a blueprint of the mast - same Kenyon section as a Shark.

 

I really love my SR, I have seen a few of them that have been "altered" with a bowsprit and Melges 20 sized Asym. They are pretty fun stock, I have hit 10 knots is 18 knots of wind with just a jib/main. A little wet and difficult to work on unless in the water, but they are real gems!

 

Cheers #40 - Evenflow

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I have purchased a Henderson built SR max 21, hull # 63. in good, "ready to sail", condition and am looking forward to the coming season.

 

Thanks for all of your help.

 

Greve de Lecq

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There is an SR 33, "Wildfire", that races pretty competitively on the West River off the Chesapeake Bay with the Pirates Cove Race Club.

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My modified SRMax (Glenn Henderson's original boat, turbo'd by SA "Kokopelli" ) is now up for sale.

 

You can see a description in the Classifieds.

 

Phil

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As you live in Before Christ land I suggest a steel bow be fitted so you survive the floating logs..........what a hell hole for boating.

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My modified SRMax (Glenn Henderson's original boat, turbo'd by SA "Kokopelli" ) is now up for sale.

 

You can see a description in the Classifieds.

P, how does your turbo'ed SR do with the breeze and asym up? ie, are you able to keep the bow from Submarining?

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What does a carbon spar, articulating bowsprit SR 21 rate?

 

I saw Rob Butler's SR 21 with a fixed sprit in Collingwood (Georgian Bay). I believe he was gifted a 165 PHRF rating.

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What does a carbon spar, articulating bowsprit SR 21 rate?

 

The local PHRF had me level with the U20s, I never raced it enough to get that adjusted.

 

My modified SRMax (Glenn Henderson's original boat, turbo'd by SA "Kokopelli" ) is now up for sale.

 

You can see a description in the Classifieds.

P, how does your turbo'ed SR do with the breeze and asym up? ie, are you able to keep the bow from Submarining?

Those kind of conditions don't happen too often on the river where I sail (and I admit I really didn't sail the boat enough... so its forsale).

 

 

There's a long-quiet Yahoo group for the SR 21 / SR Max. With people turbo'ing them now, it might be time to get that group woken up. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/srmax21class/

 

Cheers

Phil

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Does the SR21 have a lifting keel?

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all of the SR's - 21, 25, 27 and 33 - had lifting keels.

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Bellum - The Beaver's Rating for 2012 was 159 (not 165 - which is a stock SR 21's 2013 rating). PHRF-LO has caught up to all of the changes and it rates 147 this year, although it still is missing the -6 for the fat head main.

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Bellum - Phil boat rates 135, 186 - It gets dings for the Carbon Mast (-6), Main (-9), oversized spin (-24), and +9 for a jib off at std 165.

I'd buy it from Phil - my wife would kill me though.

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I'd buy it from Phil - my wife would kill me though.

 

I'd take that risk :)

 

Boat's still available - see the Classifieds.

Cheers, Phil

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I heard that #91 is for sale. It is the last hull made. All white, dry sailed.

I'll check with the owner in Canada to confirm if you are interested.

Let me know

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Phil, ever been killed by your wife? :( - oh yeah, another reason for selling a hot SR?

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I heard that #91 is for sale. It is the last hull made. All white, dry sailed.

I'll check with the owner in Canada to confirm if you are interested.

Let me know

If it is seriously for sale (i.e. reasonably priced) I may be interested. I regret selling #86 awhile ago. Need to move a Hobie 33 first though, I don't want to contract polynavicular morbus. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=142928&hl=%26quot%3Bowning+multiple+boats%26quot%3B#entry3978130

 

Post or PM the info

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I'd buy it from Phil - my wife would kill me though.

 

I'd take that risk :)

 

Boat's still available - see the Classifieds.

Cheers, Phil

 

Price is now knocked down to $8950 with trailer. Tough market.

 

Somebody buy this great little boat! I have to thin the herd.

 

Phil

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I'd buy it from Phil - my wife would kill me though.

 

I'd take that risk :)

 

Boat's still available - see the Classifieds.

Cheers, Phil

 

Price is now knocked down to $8950 with trailer. Tough market.

 

Somebody buy this great little boat! I have to thin the herd.

 

Phil

 

a thousand bucks off if I don't have to store the boat this winter... $7950 will take it.

 

Great boat, the fall breeze is here, someone ought to buy it and go sailing!

 

If I still have it next spring I might just change my mind and keep it!

 

http://sailinganarchy.com/classifieds/show-ad/?id=372/

 

Phil

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Phil... I have been trying hard to sell it to someone from my club moving to Ottawa... no luck yet! Man the world is tough...

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