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Series Argo 650 (Lombard) build in Spain

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Website ARGO650 www.argo650.com

 

 

What do you think?

 

 

Last Lombard for Series Class

 

 

Cheers from Puerto Real, inside Cadiz Bay. One of the most wonderfuls spots for sailing.

 

Looks great! Similar lines as Lombards last Proto for Rioux, a question I would ask is if the shape of Proto transaltes well to the Series?

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For that reason, the building weight is very controlated.

 

I think that Lombard plans are a warranty, lots of experience in Mini boats.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

PD: sorry for my english, my teacher were from Gibraltar... not so good teacher!!! hehe

 

Website ARGO650 www.argo650.com

 

 

What do you think?

 

 

Last Lombard for Series Class

 

 

Cheers from Puerto Real, inside Cadiz Bay. One of the most wonderfuls spots for sailing.

 

Looks great! Similar lines as Lombards last Proto for Rioux, a question I would ask is if the shape of Proto transaltes well to the Series?

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Curious to see who is involved, Joel Miro as first client, thats the guy that bought the Zero project and that did not work that well.

So they can learn from him how not to do it.

 

Do not see an own workyard, can be good if the workforce there knows infusion technique..

 

And marketing is needed big time, as you can not survive off the Spanish market alone.

Website is not that good at the time :)

 

But maybe they will fire everything up soon, as Lombard and Co is a great designer office, IMHO.

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For that reason, the building weight is very controlated.

 

I think that Lombard plans are a warranty, lots of experience in Mini boats.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

PD: sorry for my english, my teacher were from Gibraltar... not so good teacher!!! hehe

 

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Thanks for checking in Port R. Cadiz truly is one of the best places on Earth. And your english ain't as bad as most of the Gibraltarians (from someone who lived there for 8 months back in the day)

 

 

 

 

 

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Andres Duran, the owner of the yard, is the best broker of Spain.

 

Lombard, is the best mini designer.

 

Joel Miro & Gerard Marin are so good mini650 sailors.

 

But is a small company, starting a new proyect... i think in a few time all the things will be right.

 

For me, the best marketing is the speed. At Le Grand 8 they are very, very fast. An excellent website for a slowly racer... not so interestive for me!!

 

Probably tomorrow i will go near Gibraltar, to Marbella. So good for powersailing & luxury cars, i will go to Guarnieri shop, McLaren, Pagani, and other brand who sell my friend Nando... Not all in the life are boats, there are cars&girls too hehehehe

 

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Gerard is a good sailor, Joel not.

 

Who is the head guy of the build shop, not the broker I hope...

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Actually it is ..

This yard delivered the 3rd boat, and the client was not happy with the build quality, CM, the designer and owner are trying to sort it out.

 

in the meantime, a Tiptop lost his keel, a few Nacira were cheater boats ( to light in the keel. all nacira's will be tested)

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Actually it is ..

This yard delivered the 3rd boat, and the client was not happy with the build quality, CM, the designer and owner are trying to sort it out.

 

in the meantime, a Tiptop lost his keel, a few Nacira were cheater boats ( to light in the keel. all nacira's will be tested)

 

Which Naciras were caught with keels out of Series compliance?

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Dear Leo and Chris

 

I came across your discussion today...hanging around on SA website

 

Just to make sure there are no misunderstunding regarding Nacira650 keel story.... Nobody tried to cheat in fact, neither the skippers or the boatyard. After optimisation of the prorotype and change of boatyard for construction all boats were answering to the stability test (lead on mast head boat at 90°) with zero margin...perfect ! And it has been discovered by some guys (thank to them) that lead used by the class to test the boats were not right !!! The mistake was : as lead are under water during test...you have to substract their own volume creating buyancy and so reducing their weight !

Those class lead were the ones used by the boatyard to test their boat.... So when the class did modify their lead (after more than 10 years of using not good ones...!) it did appear that, as we were really on the edge..,NAcira sudently were not anymore going through the test... gossip going on about cheating ... etc.. etc..classical, small issue, big sotries in bars etc.. ! Who s fault...? well a bit of everybody I guess but this was not intended at all from what I know, since then (more than 1,5 year) all boats have been corrected of very little and they are all passing the test ..and hapily enough they are still wining.. no big deal ;)

 

Enjoy the ride

 

Best of luck

 

Axel

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Hi Axel,

 

Ginto had issues with keel etc etc, and with cheater boats, I did not mean that the yard cheated. But in general, a boat not passing the test is called a cheater boat, whatever the reason is.

I looked in the proposed Classe Mini rules today, So I know understand the section about the stability and 90 degree tests... Poor Joel. (the measurement guy)

 

An congrat with the results of the NAcira.

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