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Is this likely due to the separation of Skipper and Helm roles on LR? If Max is skippering from elsewhere on board does this mean the helm doesn't get to see all of the added info? Wouldn't you want the helm informed anyway?

 

Or, does it get bolted on later? Did ETNZ have theirs fitted on launch day?

 

Nope, the dash was a later addition AFAIK.

 

What 'added info' by the way? Have you seen the displays? I have seen shots that show the dash and it appears to have a few buttons, but nothing I've seen yet shows any 'info' - perfectly likely though. Note that JS gets his data (or shopping lists?) via wrist-tablet.

 

 

My understanding is that the boats are the same excluding jibs, genekers, foils and colour scheme. The platform and wings are the same. This was set in place on purpose so the two boats can compare performance over the next few months. So whilst there may be cosmetic differences the areas where performance improvements can be made (foils, and sails...) can be tested in an effectual 2 boat campaign (although no data exchange will take place)with the results being interprested by the individual teams and then converted into the best setup.

 

What about the 'fuel fill' on LR?

 

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Dont see an extra coffee grinder to etnz,

The finns in the sidedeck are the same 238mm high

And as for the extra winch, you are looking at a coil of rope sitting on another coil of rope sitting on the deck

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What about the 'fuel fill' on LR?

 

I think you'll find that the 'fuel fill' has since been covered up and is now hidden from view. It is probably idenical to the ETNZ one only the ETNZ one was already covered up before anyone got a chance to photograph it up this close.

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The finns in the sidedeck are the same 238mm high
Thats a surprisingly specific number, do you happen to have any others? :huh:

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Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)

 

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Missing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?

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Wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?

 

UBS is in big shit. Laying off many employees.

 

Is Ernesto still on the UBS board?

 

Yea... they are the only bank in the world laying off employees in the last few years....they still show up on the billboards at every F1 race so they still have a few sheckels left ..

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Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.

 

No .. it's not one of mine ..

Whatever, congratulations for your nice pictures. Canonian ? Nikonian ?

 

Nikon Canon until about two years ago .. these days it's mostly a Sony dSLT ..

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Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.

 

No .. it's not one of mine ..

Whatever, congratulations for your nice pictures. Canonian ? Nikonian ?

 

Nikon Canon until about two years ago .. these days it's mostly a Sony dSLT ..

Sony is doing best captors now. I'm a a previous Nikonian, now Canonian, thinking of the 1DX.

(end of the hijack)

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

Photoshopped :lol:

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Don't know about size, seems similar to me, maybe a bit bigger.

But the rudder seems vertical vs the hull being angled out :huh:

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

Photoshopped :lol:

 

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What do you think ?

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Don't know about size, seems similar to me, maybe a bit bigger.

But the rudder seems vertical vs the hull being angled out :huh:

 

Being fitted can compare to a 5'10" Italian

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Don't know about size, seems similar to me, maybe a bit bigger.

But the rudder seems vertical vs the hull being angled out :huh:

 

Being fitted can compare to a 5'10" Italian

SL33 in background

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

 

Don't forget no component on the AC72 can exceed max beam so that limits the size of the 'T' foils on the rudder. OR 's rudders cant outboard so the outboard tip of the 'T' will hit max beam earlier than the vertical rudders of TNZ or LR.

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Wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?

 

UBS is in big shit. Laying off many employees.

 

Is Ernesto still on the UBS board?

FFS you're a retarded moron. As the whole fucking SA and the world knows for a fucking long time, he is not, hasn't been for years. And who the fuck cares. A simple referral back to Alinghi cartoons - which was a fucking cool sailing,marketing and branding team BTW- and you drag up shit like that.

 

Should we drag up that Oracle files stupid lawsuits, is sued by the US government for overcharging, and has laid off thousands of ex-Sun employees every time Oracle is mentioned? (And is Ellison still on the board, nay, owns, Oracle? Doh - Stupid)

 

Of course no one does, because that would be an arse curdling stupid thing to do.

Get a grip, a life and some perspective.

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Another difference between TNZ and LR.

 

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

 

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )

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Another difference between TNZ and LR.

 

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

 

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, tractors, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )

 

fixed,

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Do LR have a quick enough chase boat?

I would have thought that Patrizio would have insisted on their own 1200-HP Powercat tender as part of the deal :)

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LR has a 3x300hp 45 ft RIB, seen in some pictures, It's fast enough. Chase One is a NZL maritime industry showoff piece, not that I don't like it quite the opposite, but it's a bit overkill. Not even Oracle has chase boats that spicy, Artemis has 2x Yamaha 350 V8s on their.

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I haven't seen it if they do have one.

From the limited pictures I saw from the webcam today it looked like a mother duck teaching 3 little ducklings to paddle - the ducklings weren't keeping up.

Maybe that's where they want to observe from.

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LR has a 3x300hp 45 ft RIB, seen in some pictures, It's fast enough. Chase One is a NZL maritime industry showoff piece, not that I don't like it quite the opposite, but it's a bit overkill. Not even Oracle has chase boats that spicy, Artemis has 2x Yamaha 350 V8s on their.

 

Cheers.

I guess if Chase One earns it's money only once by righting the 72 then it will be all worthwhile.

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Another difference between TNZ and LR.

 

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

 

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )

 

I bet they aren't slicing Dutch Proscuitto though. :)

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Another difference between TNZ and LR.

 

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

 

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )

 

I bet they aren't slicing Dutch Proscuitto though. :)

It's not too bad though:

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And photographed on a mirror - how topical :-)

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As LR and TNZ are sharing design and performance data until the end of the year, and knowing that the number of boards is limited. On top they will sail together ...

 

Couldn't we think that they will compare different board/rudder shape on the 2 boats ? I mean they could test the double of board/rudder than the other no ?

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

 

Don't forget no component on the AC72 can exceed max beam so that limits the size of the 'T' foils on the rudder. OR 's rudders cant outboard so the outboard tip of the 'T' will hit max beam earlier than the vertical rudders of TNZ or LR.

That would be the most interesting comment of this thread.

OR would have to limit the size of its T because their hull is too sleak ?

So, if that is the case, and if the reason they can't foil is that their T rudder is too small, then OR has to work on a new boat to make a foiling boat ?

 

Two extrapolations, but worth making it.

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LR has a 3x300hp 45 ft RIB, seen in some pictures, It's fast enough. Chase One is a NZL maritime industry showoff piece, not that I don't like it quite the opposite, but it's a bit overkill. Not even Oracle has chase boats that spicy, Artemis has 2x Yamaha 350 V8s on their.

That gives you an idea of the top speed of the respective AC72, no?

ETNZ 1200 HP

LR 900

AR 700 (enough to break the beam anyway)

OR, uh, how much HP does that tugboat have? ;)

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

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They look about the same to me except-and this is wierd-if you measure the length of the t-foil on either side of the vertical on LR the inboard side is longer! Maybe some sort of photo distortion? The angle of the photo doesn't look like it would account for this-but maybe.(Take a piece of paper and mark it-you'll see what I mean)

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

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They look about the same to me except-and this is wierd-if you measure the length of the t-foil on either side of the vertical on LR the inboard side is longer! Maybe some sort of photo distortion? The angle of the photo doesn't look like it would account for this-but maybe.(Take a piece of paper and mark it-you'll see what I mean)

 

That's probably what I would have done. Since they're limited by the beam they add area inboard to make up for it.

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Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)

DSC_7651_1.JPGMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?

 

Is this not a more useful shot?

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Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)

DSC_7651_1.JPGMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?

 

Is this not a more useful shot?

Difficult to see if the inward part of the T is longer. Doug ?

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Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)

DSC_7651_1.JPGMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?

 

Is this not a more useful shot?

Difficult to see if the inward part of the T is longer. Doug ?

 

It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?

 

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).

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It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?

 

Max Sirena in the FV video interview stated that "real" boards won't be all that different from the presentation ones, but suited to foiling

 

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).

 

Which LR video? Nobody's mentioned yet the Rule req'mt that rudders be either rapidly removeable or free to rotate 360 degrees

 

 

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It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?

 

Max Sirena in the FV video interview stated that "real" boards won't be all that different from the presentation ones, but suited to foiling

 

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).

 

Which LR video? Nobody's mentioned yet the Rule req'mt that rudders be either rapidly removeable or free to rotate 360 degrees

 

Here @ 2:00 : http://www.3news.co....31/Default.aspx

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Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)

DSC_7651_1.JPGMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?

 

Is this not a more useful shot?

Difficult to see if the inward part of the T is longer. Doug ?

 

It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?

 

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).

 

A lot of the sporties use this system, Melges 32 comes to mind

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I've heard they are getting a support Cat RIB tender the same as ETNZ. Should be in build as we speak. I look forward to its colour scheme.

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Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

 

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Imagine all those props acting against one another :blink: ...unbelievable!!

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Crane up... italian style, starting the day at 10h30 :D

 

Yeah, but in the afternoon they'll feather the wing, take a little nap on the trampoline, and stay out testing until 8:30 pm. Back just in time for dinner at 10.

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Crane up... italian style, starting the day at 10h30 :D

 

Yeah, but in the afternoon they'll feather the wing, take a little nap on the trampoline, and stay out testing until 8:30 pm. Back just in time for dinner at 10.

 

In earleir AC's you could always tell when the Italians were going to tack as they would toss their cigarettes into the drink just before it was " helm over " :)

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More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system
Thats no cassette, they're just poking the rudder stock up through the bearing.

ETNZ rudder stock mounts tiller on deck behind Barker so LR probably has same.

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Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

 

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How many minutes can they try to follow an AC72 before running out of gas ? :D

 

Quite awhile actually . Modern outboards are some of the most efficient propulsion systems currently in use.They could run on the middle four for non foiling activity and then dial in the last four for foiling runs :)

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

-------------------------

They look about the same to me except-and this is wierd-if you measure the length of the t-foil on either side of the vertical on LR the inboard side is longer! Maybe some sort of photo distortion? The angle of the photo doesn't look like it would account for this-but maybe.(Take a piece of paper and mark it-you'll see what I mean)

 

that's a photo illusion as they are swept

 

if you swept them at 45 degrees and then took the photo at 45 degrees 1 of them would disappear!

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Looks like they are really going saling today. They were up early. Crane up by 8am local time .Wing is on the crane.

 

Low cloud day. Virtually no wind around Westhaven.

 

Ideal for a learner driver.

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She came off the crane around 930am local time. Went for a quick look and the crew appear to be familiarising themselves with all the equipment. Winding the wing in and out. It all looks pretty relaxed.

 

No real urgency to get the cat underway. Moveout onto the harbour an hour or two yet I would guess.

 

Very light winds around Westhaven. So maybe waiting for the breeze to build.

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She is on her way being towed out past the breakwater into the mainstream of the harbour. Steady 6 knots of brezze out of the north -onshore breeze to those overseas. Going down harbour as expected.

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