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1 minute ago, RKoch said:

I sailed on a Holland 40 in the SORC. Close sistership. One of the sweetest sailing boats I've been on. 

I'm sure they sailed OK.  They definitely collected the silverware.

But that Swan 39R was one fugly duckling to look at.  I remember a small crowd gathering to awp in "that's a Swan??" horror at the first one which appeared in our harbour

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1 hour ago, TwoLegged said:

I'm sure they sailed OK.  They definitely collected the silverware.

But that Swan 39R was one fugly duckling to look at.  I remember a small crowd gathering to awp in "that's a Swan??" horror at the first one which appeared in our harbour

To someone expecting a Swan to look like previous Swans, yea probably a shock. But I think they're decent looking.

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On 8/14/2017 at 6:00 PM, valis said:

All this time I thought I was looking at a catamaran.  Sad...

 

Here's a completely different look.  I prefer to only say nice things about other people's boats, and I admire the contrast of rounded vs angular shapes on it.

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I like that it looks like a pelican.  It should be animated.

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3 minutes ago, groundhog said:

I like that it looks like a pelican.  It should be animated.

We don't see a lot of four-eyed pelicans around here, I think we have better water. We get ours from the Pacific, and you guys have to wait for it to run all the way across the country. Sucks being downstream.

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On 28-7-2016 at 10:29 PM, Grey Dawn said:

There seem to be a lot of clever ideas at Hreko. Some work on incorporating these ideas esthetically is hopefully on the agenda. It looks like they built one. Any reports on sailing performance?

https://youtu.be/e87-jiMXV60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv5W0TmjnJc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEa2kl2WyIo&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ol3rCuWWw

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On 26-7-2016 at 11:11 PM, RKoch said:
On 26-7-2016 at 7:53 PM, lasal said:

Remember the Hreko? I just looked at the website, and the project appears to have stalled.

 

The design has so very many features, there is something for everyone to admire.

 

 

 

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i can't find anything to admire. It's bloody hideous.

 

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9 hours ago, hreko said:

 

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Can you get her to move her arm and that towel out of the way?

I admire the level of commitment to COTB. And glassing the amas onto the sides will make it easier to find dock space than it is for other multihulls. Umm... those are hulls, right?

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Yes, it's v ugly, but I admire them for trying something different.

So I'd still like to see more about how it sails, and how well those innovations worked in practice. The only sailing video shows it reaching nicely in reasonably flat seas with lots of wind, but that isn't much of a test.  I'd like to see it upwind, esp in big waves, and in lighter winds.

The only video of the dinghy being docked showed a still sea and no wind.  It didn't look like something easily managed in tougher conditions, with the boat and dinghy bouncing in waves.

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40 minutes ago, TwoLegged said:

The only video of the dinghy being docked showed a still sea and no wind.  It didn't look like something easily managed in tougher conditions, with the boat and dinghy bouncing in waves.

The standard procedure involves stepping down into the water. But what if the water is cold?

I like the idea of a transom/pram combo. Or any other idea that results in a dinghy to play with. It does look like it could be difficult in waves but what are the chances of encountering one of those?

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1 hour ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

The standard procedure involves stepping down into the water. But what if the water is cold?

Those of us who sail who sail in cold waters are used to that, when taking the dinghy onto the beach. Wear boots, or just live with feet getting cold briefly. 

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I'd like to know if the dinghy dock contributes to sailing length or is just like a dinghy being towed. If the latter, may as well add davits and hoist. It would be easier.

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18 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Can you get her to move her arm and that towel out of the way?

I admire the level of commitment to COTB. And glassing the amas onto the sides will make it easier to find dock space than it is for other multihulls. Umm... those are hulls, right?

I admire that they were able to make a sailboat look like a RIB

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On August 21, 2017 at 10:37 PM, py26129 said:

I admire that they were able to make a sailboat look like a RIB

Makes me wonder if it has the inverted stability of a RIB. Did they run the numbers?

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Not beautiful but not really ugly either. I admire the ease of sail handling without a lot of blocks to lead things aft and the ability to get away from little kids at bedtime.

Looks like it floats in thin water too.

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1 hour ago, Matagi said:

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That ass must be mighty flat and ugly.

It looks like the cabins slid apart and they added an uninspiring coaming.

Only a Hunter owner could possibly admire that.

Oh, wait..

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52 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Not beautiful but not really ugly either. I admire the ease of sail handling without a lot of blocks to lead things aft and the ability to get away from little kids at bedtime.

Looks like it floats in thin water too.

+1

For cruising with small kids in sheltered waters, it's a cool boat

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Apart from the mast placement, quite similar to the Dufour T7.

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2 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

That ass must be mighty flat and ugly.

It looks like the cabins slid apart and they added an uninspiring coaming.

Only a Hunter owner could possibly admire that.

Oh, wait..

You talkin' ta ME?

Watch who you call a Hunter owner ;) (or even sailboat owner for that matter).

I'm only a boat market browser right now.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

You talkin' ta ME?

Watch who you call a Hunter owner ;) (or even sailboat owner for that matter).

I'm only a boat market browser right now.

Haha, nope, I'm the owner that I self deprecatingly referred to. -_-

 

 

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5 hours ago, Matagi said:

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Needs a giant, ugly pilothouse over that cockpit to be ugly.

I'm not sure what would make it admirable. It's trying to be something it's too small to be. I guess I admire the attempt.

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59 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Needs a giant, ugly pilothouse over that cockpit to be ugly.

I'm not sure what would make it admirable. It's trying to be something it's too small to be. I guess I admire the attempt.

What if the aft house was molded into the transom, creating a mock carrack in low profile.   Square off the aft portlite.   A little more room inside and slightly less unharmonious lines.   Still a second cabin to hide from junior and make a sister for him.  Wheel steering I assume?   No boom?

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22 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

It's ugly, no question.

Yabut a little cockpit with a mast blocking one companionway and a wheel blocking the other, both leading to micro-cabins?

It's just not that admirable.

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1 hour ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Yabut a little cockpit with a mast blocking one companionway and a wheel blocking the other, both leading to micro-cabins?

 

Litorina use to have a boom. No wheel, usual tiller. 

Unusual yes, but with a lot of good qualities:

- swing keel, draft 5 dm in up position.

- trailerable, total weight is 750 kg (~1500 lbs)

- kitchen in the aft cabin, surprisingly large. With a large fridge! (60 l)

- 2 hp engine sufficient

=> low cost, perfect for sailing in archipelagos and creeks a la Dylan

//J

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5 hours ago, Jaramaz said:

- kitchen in the aft cabin, surprisingly large. With a large fridge! (60 l)

Uh oh. Everyone was planning on having sex in there...

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1 hour ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Uh oh. Everyone was planning on having sex in there...

Nothing stops you (all?) from such exercises, not even in the aft cabin. You know, one has to have some fantasy and being creative. 

Will we get reports?

//J

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17 hours ago, Matagi said:

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That's not ugly. The aft quarters are a bit bulky-looking, it looks like an 18 or 19 footer that had a couple of feet and an aft cabin grafted on later. But there is at least some sheer, some sense of proportion. The ports are matched nicely fore & aft.

A 60L fridge? Mrs Steam better not hear about that.

FB- Doug

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The forestay sag is quite inspiring.  

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3 hours ago, Jaramaz said:

Nothing stops you (all?) from such exercises, not even in the aft cabin. You know, one has to have some fantasy and being creative. 

Will we get reports?

//J

Pics or it didn't happen.

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:
3 hours ago, Jaramaz said:

Nothing stops you (all?) from such exercises, not even in the aft cabin. You know, one has to have some fantasy and being creative. 

Will we get reports?

//J

 

Pics or it didn't happen.

Well, that's for  Uncooperative Tom

and with such a name I am not sure he will get laid at all.

//J

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Parker Dawson 26, aka Midship 25, etc. Sailboat data says designed by Robert Finch. In production at a slow rate for quite a while. Sailboat data says maybe 300 were built. 

More info here

 

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1 hour ago, Jaramaz said:

Well, that's for  Uncooperative Tom

and with such a name I am not sure he will get laid at all.

//J

He can always hold her at gunpoint.

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On a recent trip to The Netherlands this curiosity was spotted. Certainly caused plenty of interest with the other lock users.

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The bloke on the bow is looking grumpy as he's being poisoned by the fumes from the barge in front which hasn't turned off its engine.

Dunno why the photo is on its side ...  

 

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I think there's something Admirable about the stern other than the chest-high railing. Not sure...

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The hull has a certain early submarine-like quality to it. Paint it yellow.

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On 8/24/2017 at 3:12 PM, Matagi said:

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At least it has a decent bow entry and a backstay and boom might make the boat look less unattractive. Must have an offset companionway but lots of cockpit space.

Or is it an offset mast. I can't tell from the angle

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On 8/29/2017 at 3:45 PM, Whinging Pom said:

On a recent trip to The Netherlands this curiosity was spotted. Certainly caused plenty of interest with the other lock users.

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The bloke on the bow is looking grumpy as he's being poisoned by the fumes from the barge in front which hasn't turned off its engine.

Dunno why the photo is on its side ...  

 

I admire it's deliberate, but I'm not sure what it is deliberately being? The anchor's torpedo tube is beautifully aligned.

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Not much to admire with this one but it's definitely ugly. Moored off of Shelter Island. Not the best photography but it was quite a distance for my cell phone. IMG_0159.JPG.9685d9104c8696ee2a9ce03e809a4320.JPG

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If that structure on top swivels like a tank's turret, that would be Admirable.

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On 25/08/2017 at 11:46 AM, SemiSalt said:

Parker Dawson 26, aka Midship 25, etc. Sailboat data says designed by Robert Finch. In production at a slow rate for quite a while. Sailboat data says maybe 300 were built. 

More info here

 

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Hey, look,  it has a bigger sister. The venerable Grampian 34

 

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1 hour ago, py26129 said:

Hey, look,  it has a bigger sister. The venerable Grampian 34

 

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That looks like a mantrap. Step into the cockpit, the aft slams forward turning you into human jam, and the boat gulps.

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Here's one I saw i Friday Harbor today.  I admire how they took the phrase "Banana Boat" and turned it into a design statement.

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Pretty sure we saw it there last year too.

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I can't focus on the banana boat. Too busy admiring the crazy person who put a 70 hp on a 13 Whaler.

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       must be really cool to raft up to with that bumper bow

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Valis:

That is a Jay Benford ferro cement hull originally designed as a 42' schooner. awful thing. I think I prefer it this way.

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I put this one in mocking CL but had to put it here

owner says that you can somehow reduce the cabin height if you're a short person

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33 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

I think you'd do it through the magic of a Sawzall.

You could shorten it to fit into a cheaper slip too

FB- Doug

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18 hours ago, valis said:

Here's one I saw i Friday Harbor today.  I admire how they took the phrase "Banana Boat" and turned it into a design statement.

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Why would you put the wheel house perpendicular to the deck rather than vertical??? Maybe they got the wheel house from another boat (with a horizontal deck)?

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The middle is falling off. Reminds me of this.

 

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19 hours ago, valis said:

Here's one I saw i Friday Harbor today.  I admire how they took the phrase "Banana Boat" and turned it into a design statement.

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Concrete shitbox with a shitpanel steel superstructure. They kept the chainplates for effect

 

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On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 4:38 AM, Bob Perry said:

Valis:

That is a Jay Benford ferro cement hull originally designed as a 42' schooner. awful thing. I think I prefer it this way.

Bob, I remember looking at a lot of his plans  years ago. He seemed to put any kind of rig he could think of on the same damn hull, from cat rig to brigantine. How did he balance that shit out?  On 2nd thought maybe he didn't.

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Viktor:

Jay did not care much about balance. A buddy of mine built a Benford 36'er. He had to add a 6' sprit to try to get it to balance and still had problems. That boat is now in La Conner.

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Jim Betts is putting a new pilot house on the Laurie Davidson CASIOPEIA. They are going for a rustic look.

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I admire the brown tarp rather than the blue ones. :mellow:

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Laughs aside, it goes give a good indication just how cool a real PH could look on that boat.

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22 hours ago, Ishmael said:

The middle is falling off. Reminds me of this.

 

So the America's cup has a trickle down effect on motorboats

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This was posted to Tad Roberts FB page. Not sure there's anything to admire...looks like BS has branched out into commercial M/V design...

 

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19 minutes ago, Minnesail said:

Is that a submarine behind it?

That's a bulb on the bow. I think it's designed to ram reefs and ice.

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7 minutes ago, RKoch said:

That's a bulb on the bow. I think it's designed to ram reefs and ice.

Oh, the shadows were playing tricks on me. I thought it was another boat behind it. Now that I see it, it makes the boat look like it has a little stubby erection.

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31 minutes ago, RKoch said:
51 minutes ago, Minnesail said:

Is that a submarine behind it?

That's a bulb on the bow. I think it's designed to ram reefs and ice.

And attract mermaids, if there are any real ones.

"Is that a submarine behind you, or are you just glad to see me?"

FB- Doug

 

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The sound when they lower that anchor onto that bulb must be something to hear.

But, disqualified for being a work boat.

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21 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

The sound when they lower that anchor onto that bulb must be something to hear.

But, disqualified for being a work boat.

I'm pretty sure that's why the bottom paint under the anchor is so worn off.

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Looks like it swallowed or is puking up a sub. 

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8 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

And attract mermaids, if there are any real ones.

"Is that a submarine behind you, or are you just glad to see me?"

FB- Doug

 

Haha, beat me to it..

is that a bow thruster, captain or are you just...

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I admire a fisherman who reads Tolkien...  

Doesn't look all that bad for a work boat.  

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This much younger and virile ship some might [ahem] admire more...

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Speaking of ugly work boats, I was looking at the on-line boat porn for the new Regional Class Research Vessels and puzzling over a couple of things.

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First, the center of the ship is taken up by a massive centerboard trunk.  Wait, what?  Wrong kind of boat?  I imagine that it must have something to do with balancing the loads from the big winches.  But it also seems to be studded with acoustic sensors.  Maybe does more than one thing?

Second, if you watch the "fly through" video, the big chart room contains... nothing but a 1970's video game console.   :huh:

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because the centerboard trunk is much taller than necessary to simply contain the board, I guess it's to shift the CG vertically to adjust the roll period. 

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20 hours ago, RKoch said:

This was posted to Tad Roberts FB page. Not sure there's anything to admire...looks like BS has branched out into commercial M/V design...

 

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Since this thread is about admiration, I admire the cute little anchor. Must be useful for something - like dropping directly into the protuberance and making a hole. Probably less useful for keeping the vessel attached to the seabed unfortunately.

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On 9/13/2017 at 3:00 PM, RKoch said:

This was posted to Tad Roberts FB page. Not sure there's anything to admire...looks like BS has branched out into commercial M/V design...

 

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For you J.R.R. Tolkien readers:

"Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, and its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West."

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2 hours ago, Autonomous said:

There's some mad design skills right there.

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I'm disappointed. The ad says they won't post to Canada.

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56 minutes ago, Bull City said:

For you J.R.R. Tolkien readers:

"Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, and its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West."

That boat is to blunt to be named Andúril!

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On 9/14/2017 at 9:01 AM, RedRyder said:

Since this thread is about admiration, I admire the cute little anchor. Must be useful for something - like dropping directly into the protuberance and making a hole. Probably less useful for keeping the vessel attached to the seabed unfortunately.

IIRC there are onerous boat dimension limits, not unlike some rating rules, that certain fisheries have to meet which produce these inelegant lusus naturae.

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I admire the maxed out cockpit. I couldn't drive by without snapping a shot for the society.

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7 hours ago, lasal said:

I admire the maxed out cockpit. I couldn't drive by without snapping a shot for the society.

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An awesome submission.

I let the grand kid ride in the bow of the skiff last month. Because when you're 6 years old, bouncing around up there is a blast.

I admire that it's designed for owners with a 6 year old sense of fun.

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13 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

An awesome submission.

I let the grand kid ride in the bow of the skiff last month. Because when you're 6 years old, bouncing around up there is a blast.

I admire that it's designed for owners with a 6 year old sense of fun.

I admire that it comes with its own permanent Craig's List number permanently attached.  A boat that ugly will be bought and sold a lot.

That is what that number starting with CL is for, isn't it? 

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On 9/16/2017 at 8:34 PM, lasal said:

I admire the maxed out cockpit. I couldn't drive by without snapping a shot for the society.

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My father bought one of those in the late 60's, sold by Evinrude. He thought it was an inboard/outboard Whaler but no such thing. We loved it for sunset pot cruises to miss the mosquitos but it had a car like dash and seating in the very bow for driving (even had a convertible like top and side curtains), and that position was untenable in any waves. I used to stand behind the seat and move the wheel occasionally from there or even go sit in the stern seats on either side of the engine box right aft- they were quite comfortable but getting back to the wheel in waves could be  . . . . interesting. Had lots of fun in that boat but got him to replace it with a real Whaler after a brother-in-law sank it..

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I could see those being adapted for use as mini gill-netters. I guess there's plenty of stability and freeboard to haul a net in over the side. Plus the slab topsides probably provide good leverage against a loaded gill-net when hauling it back in, picking fish.

And, cool to hear about your experience on one, Tucky. Speaking of Whalers, I don't think you could call this Evinrude craft a trihull. It's more of a wildly blunt V-hull. The pounding must be something.

I would sum it up as mis-formed following disfunction.

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^Yep. It's an ugly bitch alright. Bet it sails like a pig too.

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Wow. Workboats and multihulls are generally disqualified from Admiration just because it's too easy but that's one heaping pile of ugly. It really can't be ignored.

I admire the fact that the living room they inserted into the middle of the stack can easily accommodate a Harlisaki.

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Holy crap.

The boom is higher than a lot of boats' masts. I admire the diving platform it would make when you swing it out to the side.

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I admire that they made exactly 0 effort to make it look like a sail boat...they just built a floating luxury condo and stuck a rig on it.

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It would be cool if that whole thing was collapsible into normal proportions when sailing.

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It would also be cool if there were a nice beach-style Tuff Shed on the deck to keep various fenders, flippers, sun faded life jackets, broken paddles, leaf blowers, etc. That stuff clogs up the lockers and is better kept in a shed.

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I'd dump the rig and increase the engine sizes.  It rarely will be used as a sailboat, and you save the cost of the rig.

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11 minutes ago, slap said:

I'd dump the rig and increase the engine sizes.  It rarely will be unable to be used as a sailboat, and you save the cost of the rig.

Fixed it for you.

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