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31 minutes ago, RKoch said:
51 minutes ago, Minnesail said:

Is that a submarine behind it?

That's a bulb on the bow. I think it's designed to ram reefs and ice.

And attract mermaids, if there are any real ones.

"Is that a submarine behind you, or are you just glad to see me?"

FB- Doug

 

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21 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

The sound when they lower that anchor onto that bulb must be something to hear.

But, disqualified for being a work boat.

I'm pretty sure that's why the bottom paint under the anchor is so worn off.

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8 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

And attract mermaids, if there are any real ones.

"Is that a submarine behind you, or are you just glad to see me?"

FB- Doug

 

Haha, beat me to it..

is that a bow thruster, captain or are you just...

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Speaking of ugly work boats, I was looking at the on-line boat porn for the new Regional Class Research Vessels and puzzling over a couple of things.

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First, the center of the ship is taken up by a massive centerboard trunk.  Wait, what?  Wrong kind of boat?  I imagine that it must have something to do with balancing the loads from the big winches.  But it also seems to be studded with acoustic sensors.  Maybe does more than one thing?

Second, if you watch the "fly through" video, the big chart room contains... nothing but a 1970's video game console.   :huh:

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because the centerboard trunk is much taller than necessary to simply contain the board, I guess it's to shift the CG vertically to adjust the roll period. 

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20 hours ago, RKoch said:

This was posted to Tad Roberts FB page. Not sure there's anything to admire...looks like BS has branched out into commercial M/V design...

 

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Since this thread is about admiration, I admire the cute little anchor. Must be useful for something - like dropping directly into the protuberance and making a hole. Probably less useful for keeping the vessel attached to the seabed unfortunately.

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On 9/13/2017 at 3:00 PM, RKoch said:

This was posted to Tad Roberts FB page. Not sure there's anything to admire...looks like BS has branched out into commercial M/V design...

 

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For you J.R.R. Tolkien readers:

"Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, and its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West."

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2 hours ago, Autonomous said:

There's some mad design skills right there.

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I'm disappointed. The ad says they won't post to Canada.

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56 minutes ago, Bull City said:

For you J.R.R. Tolkien readers:

"Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, and its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West."

That boat is to blunt to be named Andúril!

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On 9/14/2017 at 9:01 AM, RedRyder said:

Since this thread is about admiration, I admire the cute little anchor. Must be useful for something - like dropping directly into the protuberance and making a hole. Probably less useful for keeping the vessel attached to the seabed unfortunately.

IIRC there are onerous boat dimension limits, not unlike some rating rules, that certain fisheries have to meet which produce these inelegant lusus naturae.

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7 hours ago, lasal said:

I admire the maxed out cockpit. I couldn't drive by without snapping a shot for the society.

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An awesome submission.

I let the grand kid ride in the bow of the skiff last month. Because when you're 6 years old, bouncing around up there is a blast.

I admire that it's designed for owners with a 6 year old sense of fun.

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13 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

An awesome submission.

I let the grand kid ride in the bow of the skiff last month. Because when you're 6 years old, bouncing around up there is a blast.

I admire that it's designed for owners with a 6 year old sense of fun.

I admire that it comes with its own permanent Craig's List number permanently attached.  A boat that ugly will be bought and sold a lot.

That is what that number starting with CL is for, isn't it? 

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On 9/16/2017 at 8:34 PM, lasal said:

I admire the maxed out cockpit. I couldn't drive by without snapping a shot for the society.

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My father bought one of those in the late 60's, sold by Evinrude. He thought it was an inboard/outboard Whaler but no such thing. We loved it for sunset pot cruises to miss the mosquitos but it had a car like dash and seating in the very bow for driving (even had a convertible like top and side curtains), and that position was untenable in any waves. I used to stand behind the seat and move the wheel occasionally from there or even go sit in the stern seats on either side of the engine box right aft- they were quite comfortable but getting back to the wheel in waves could be  . . . . interesting. Had lots of fun in that boat but got him to replace it with a real Whaler after a brother-in-law sank it..

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I could see those being adapted for use as mini gill-netters. I guess there's plenty of stability and freeboard to haul a net in over the side. Plus the slab topsides probably provide good leverage against a loaded gill-net when hauling it back in, picking fish.

And, cool to hear about your experience on one, Tucky. Speaking of Whalers, I don't think you could call this Evinrude craft a trihull. It's more of a wildly blunt V-hull. The pounding must be something.

I would sum it up as mis-formed following disfunction.

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^Yep. It's an ugly bitch alright. Bet it sails like a pig too.

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Wow. Workboats and multihulls are generally disqualified from Admiration just because it's too easy but that's one heaping pile of ugly. It really can't be ignored.

I admire the fact that the living room they inserted into the middle of the stack can easily accommodate a Harlisaki.

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It would be cool if that whole thing was collapsible into normal proportions when sailing.

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It would also be cool if there were a nice beach-style Tuff Shed on the deck to keep various fenders, flippers, sun faded life jackets, broken paddles, leaf blowers, etc. That stuff clogs up the lockers and is better kept in a shed.

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I'd dump the rig and increase the engine sizes.  It rarely will be used as a sailboat, and you save the cost of the rig.

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11 minutes ago, slap said:

I'd dump the rig and increase the engine sizes.  It rarely will be unable to be used as a sailboat, and you save the cost of the rig.

Fixed it for you.

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6 hours ago, Presuming Ed said:

OK, so submitting a condomaran is a bit shooting-fish-in-a-barrel, but it's quite the entry.

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https://www.facebook.com/yachtingworldmagazine/videos/1481078695308731/

That would have made a pretty nice float home if they hadn't tried to make a boat out of it.

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52 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

That would have made a pretty nice float home if they hadn't tried to make a boat out of it.

I shoodaknowed it could be done, but I cannot fathom how something like this could even get to an actual, um, boat?, in the water.  Designer, builder, banker, owner, all must have actually thought, 'Yeah, I'd really like a boat like this!'.... and THEN, they actually put money and time into it!

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Not big enough.

Have to be 200' or 300' for that.

Certainly could be the same "designer".

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31 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I gotta wonder if the sails are intended to be used as anything other than decorations on that thing. 

I'd enjoy watching an owner attempt to go upwind in that monstrosity. 

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What's the aft bridgedeck clearance on that condomaran?  It looks like about 6".  Or is it a cat in front and a mono in back?

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I admire the designer who, with no knowledge or experience of sailing boats (and has likely never even gone sailing), has the temerity to design a sailboat.  

 

Or what he/she thinks a sailboat is.  

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12 minutes ago, bugger said:

I admire the designer who, with no knowledge or experience of sailing boats (and has likely never even gone sailing), has the temerity to design a sailboat.  

 

Or what he/she thinks a sailboat is.  

Market research perceived a niche for multi-million dollar floating condos. They hired someone with little sailing expertise, no design experience, but somewhat adequate CAD skills (like Proa), to create the FrankenCondo. It's a humorous farce, but the buyers don't know, and probably don't care. It's to impress their friends, not to enjoy sailing.

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17 hours ago, RKoch said:

That boom has to be 30' off the water!! My god what an ugly POS...they'll probably sell a bunch of them. 

I have to admire that.

I always do, even if it's Roger MacGregor.

Anyone who thinks it's easy to build and sell a bunch of boats should try it. Be sure to start with a large fortune, preferably belonging to someone else.

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11 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Foils. Where are the foils kept?

In the storage cupboard with the other fencing equipment (in the gymnasium, port hull).

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It looks like a pop up camper to me. 

An ugly camper, but I'd probably take one for free and remove the rig immediately and also beat the guy on the stern for launching the paddleboards inverted.

Hope they forgot to put the hull plug in the jet ski too!!!

 

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22 hours ago, slap said:

I'd dump the rig and increase the engine sizes.  It rarely will be used as a sailboat, and you save the cost of the rig.

You'll be shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that the whole range is available without a rig.

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19 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Not big enough.

Have to be 200' or 300' for that.

Certainly could be the same "designer".

Wait until you see....

the (proposed) 48'

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15 hours ago, RKoch said:

Market research perceived a niche for multi-million dollar floating condos. They hired someone with little sailing expertise, no design experience, but somewhat adequate CAD skills (like Proa), to create the FrankenCondo. It's a humorous farce, but the buyers don't know, and probably don't care. It's to impress their friends, not to enjoy sailing.

The depressing thing is that they've sold 4 sailing and 4 power versions of the 68, and have orders for another 3. None too shabby an orderbook.

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5 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Anyone who thinks it's easy to build and sell a bunch of boats should try it. Be sure to start with a large fortune, preferably belonging to someone else.

That's no excuse for making something grossly ugly.

If you have to do it that way, just don't do it - find something else to do.

Otherwise it's just whoring.

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I'd love to see the sail area / displacement for that.

 

I suppose the rig could increase the fuel efficiency slightly when motoring downwind.

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9 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That's no excuse for making something grossly ugly.

But "it had to look this way to be what was wanted" is THE excuse that founded this Society, is it not?

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10 hours ago, Presuming Ed said:

The depressing thing is that they've sold 4 sailing and 4 power versions of the 68, and have orders for another 3. None too shabby an orderbook.

More odd than depressing to me. I'm not sure why anyone wants to fool with that sailing rig.

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The mast and sails on that thing are probably "all carbon fibre, of course."

I'm sure none of the 8 people who've paid huge bucks for one will ever find out that it's a pig at sea. They should sell a version without motors, would leave room for a fucking big wine cellar in one hull and a bondage dungeon in the other. Just get it towed to the expensive marina of your choice.

I've just realized that in a marina, blending with a lot of other stuff, it wouldn't be quite so noticeably hideous.

Definitely been whacked with the ugly stick. Nothing admirable about it, even if some cynical marketing bastard is making big coin from it.

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Do the decks/bimini go up and down on hydraulics?  Like the pop-top on a campervan.  

Hey presto!  at the touch of a button your super sleek racing cat, turns into a block of flats, with all the accomodation you require ...

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That condomoron is awful.  Seems like I saw a post somewhere about a place in SE Asia that has something like this for charter, Singapore, Hong Kong or something like that.

On another note, I do not know on what thread my following offering belongs.  It is definately not a zombie or cool boat, nor is it on CL so not those.  The owner definately should be truely admired for his devotion to sailing though.  Maybe someone knows of a more appropriate spot.

This is Woodrow's boat.  (Is it the beloved McGregor 26 that often gets lampooned?  I just don't know keel boats so you tell me.)  Obviously the genoa is a notable feature and, other than Rimas, it makes this the first 1KSB (as far as I know).  I have watched that sail slowly deteriorate over the last 6 or 8 years.  The permanently deployed bumpers are nice too.  What is most admirable however is that Woodrow sails his pride and joy nearly every nice day in season and often in the winter.  He also sails into and out of his slip in a flukey-wind/lee-of-a-hill marina, albeit slowly with many tacks with that jib.  I have to admire the guy, he is the only person on our part of the lake that sails more than I do.  I heard from his dock neighbor that he has terrettes syndrome and this is an outlet for him.  Maybe that is the reason for the boat's condition.  Thus I admire (but won’t mock) him.  

Does this belong in a different thread?

 

 

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Looks more Zombie than Uglyboat even if it is underway (after a fashion)

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On 9/20/2017 at 7:07 AM, Presuming Ed said:

You'll be shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that the whole range is available without a rig.

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Wait until you see....

the (proposed) 48'

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The depressing thing is that they've sold 4 sailing and 4 power versions of the 68, and have orders for another 3. None too shabby an orderbook.

Probably done by one of my French interns!

Just had another one apply for an internship yesterday I'm done. Enough. I can't imagine anyone wanting to produce that. Ruby turds look better than that.

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17 minutes ago, RKoch said:

The cinder block has more curves than the condomaran.

I'm sure it sails upwind better.

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12 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

And I'm sure it sails upwind better.

Fixed

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On 9/20/2017 at 11:54 AM, SloopJonB said:

That's no excuse for making something grossly ugly.

If you have to do it that way, just don't do it - find something else to do.

Otherwise it's just whoring.

The oldest profession.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

The oldest profession.

Whoring and sailing are the two oldest professions. Chafe is a problem with both.

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14 hours ago, eric1207 said:

That condomoron is awful.  Seems like I saw a post somewhere about a place in SE Asia that has something like this for charter, Singapore, Hong Kong or something like that.

On another note, I do not know on what thread my following offering belongs.  It is definately not a zombie or cool boat, nor is it on CL so not those.  The owner definately should be truely admired for his devotion to sailing though.  Maybe someone knows of a more appropriate spot.

This is Woodrow's boat.  (Is it the beloved McGregor 26 that often gets lampooned?  I just don't know keel boats so you tell me.)  Obviously the genoa is a notable feature and, other than Rimas, it makes this the first 1KSB (as far as I know).  I have watched that sail slowly deteriorate over the last 6 or 8 years.  The permanently deployed bumpers are nice too.  What is most admirable however is that Woodrow sails his pride and joy nearly every nice day in season and often in the winter.  He also sails into and out of his slip in a flukey-wind/lee-of-a-hill marina, albeit slowly with many tacks with that jib.  I have to admire the guy, he is the only person on our part of the lake that sails more than I do.  I heard from his dock neighbor that he has terrettes syndrome and this is an outlet for him.  Maybe that is the reason for the boat's condition.  Thus I admire (but won’t mock) him.  

Does this belong in a different thread?

 

 

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That looks to me like the perfect candidate for a whip around to buy him a new genoa.

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15 hours ago, eric1207 said:

That condomoron is awful.  Seems like I saw a post somewhere about a place in SE Asia that has something like this for charter, Singapore, Hong Kong or something like that.

On another note, I do not know on what thread my following offering belongs.  It is definately not a zombie or cool boat, nor is it on CL so not those.  The owner definately should be truely admired for his devotion to sailing though.  Maybe someone knows of a more appropriate spot.

This is Woodrow's boat.  (Is it the beloved McGregor 26 that often gets lampooned?  I just don't know keel boats so you tell me.)  Obviously the genoa is a notable feature and, other than Rimas, it makes this the first 1KSB (as far as I know).  I have watched that sail slowly deteriorate over the last 6 or 8 years.  The permanently deployed bumpers are nice too.  What is most admirable however is that Woodrow sails his pride and joy nearly every nice day in season and often in the winter.  He also sails into and out of his slip in a flukey-wind/lee-of-a-hill marina, albeit slowly with many tacks with that jib.  I have to admire the guy, he is the only person on our part of the lake that sails more than I do.  I heard from his dock neighbor that he has terrettes syndrome and this is an outlet for him.  Maybe that is the reason for the boat's condition.  Thus I admire (but won’t mock) him.  

Does this belong in a different thread?

 

 

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Perhaps we need a "Sailors Are Different" thread.

You just don't see this kind of thing in the powerboating world. Nor in the paddling world. Only a sailor would do this.

And yes, that's a Mac 26, but NO, it's not THE Mac 26 that was so successful and so derided. Even THE Mac 26 was actually two boats, the 26X and the 26M. Three if you count the very rare 19' powersailer.

The boat in the pic is a MacGregor from back when he thought it possible to make a living selling cheap sailboats. He abandoned that idea upon discovering that one could make a much, much better living selling abominations.

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10 hours ago, RKoch said:
11 hours ago, Bull City said:

The oldest profession.

Whoring and sailing are the two oldest professions. Chafe is a problem with both.

Yeah however "Ugly but practical" is not an asset in the former. Advantage: sailing

FB- Doug

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21 hours ago, eric1207 said:

That condomoron is awful.  Seems like I saw a post somewhere about a place in SE Asia that has something like this for charter, Singapore, Hong Kong or something like that.

On another note, I do not know on what thread my following offering belongs.  It is definately not a zombie or cool boat, nor is it on CL so not those.  The owner definately should be truely admired for his devotion to sailing though.  Maybe someone knows of a more appropriate spot.

This is Woodrow's boat.  (Is it the beloved McGregor 26 that often gets lampooned?  I just don't know keel boats so you tell me.)  Obviously the genoa is a notable feature and, other than Rimas, it makes this the first 1KSB (as far as I know).  I have watched that sail slowly deteriorate over the last 6 or 8 years.  The permanently deployed bumpers are nice too.  What is most admirable however is that Woodrow sails his pride and joy nearly every nice day in season and often in the winter.  He also sails into and out of his slip in a flukey-wind/lee-of-a-hill marina, albeit slowly with many tacks with that jib.  I have to admire the guy, he is the only person on our part of the lake that sails more than I do.  I heard from his dock neighbor that he has terrettes syndrome and this is an outlet for him.  Maybe that is the reason for the boat's condition.  Thus I admire (but won’t mock) him.  

Does this belong in a different thread?

 

 

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I find it hard to mock any boat that gets regular use.    The patina doesn't work for me, but still more respectable then a shiny yacht tied to the slip, the owners mistaking it for a condo,

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40 minutes ago, Lark said:

I find it hard to mock any boat that gets regular use.    The patina doesn't work for me, but still more respectable then a shiny yacht tied to the slip, the owners mistaking it for a condo,

At least he's not fundraising for a claimed plan to round Cape Horn. 

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44 minutes ago, MauiPunter said:

Have to agree with the above posts.  This is a boat loved. :)

Loved maybe, but not washed.

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22 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

Have to agree with the above posts.  This is a boat loved. :)

[Bull City said:] Loved maybe, but not washed.

Some guys like girls with hairy pits, too

Just sayin'

FB- Doug

PS- when will will they FIX the goddam quote function?!?

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22 hours ago, Bull City said:

Loved maybe, but not washed.

IDK how much of a disability Tourettes is, but if a couple of the guy's friends chipped in, the boat could be made ship-shape in a day or two. Maybe he doesn't want help...who knows?

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2 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Some might call this downright ugly, but she is what she is, a dry pnw cruiser.

The trivia begins with the dated photo...is that Ioco, in the elbow-pit of Indian Arm? Who is the designer?

24 custom built sailboat and trailer - boats - by owner

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That is Ioco.

Twin rudders - very trendy.

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2 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Some might call this downright ugly, but she is what she is, a dry pnw cruiser.

The trivia begins with the dated photo...is that Ioco, in the elbow-pit of Indian Arm? Who is the designer?

24 custom built sailboat and trailer - boats - by owner

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It looks like photos of two different boats in the listing. The one above has some charm and a number of nice features (nice sheer, dark hull, bright cabin, hard dodger) but they don't go together very well. The blue hull boat in the photos, not as nice.

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38 minutes ago, Bull City said:

It looks like photos of two different boats in the listing. The one above has some charm and a number of nice features (nice sheer, dark hull, bright cabin, hard dodger) but they don't go together very well. The blue hull boat in the photos, not as nice.

The original dark hull and lighter looking cabintop works much nicer than the solid enclosure that is what it is today. I admire that and the sheer.

52 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

That is Ioco.

Twin rudders - very trendy.

Very.

Someone solving the outboard aux placement. A Mac26 solution.

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I think it's photos of two different boats entirely. It's an impostor, a cuckoo of the boat world. Someone took his cutesy awkward little boat and left him with a monster. 

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We don't see too many examples of someone replacing the house with a shorter one.

Usually it's taller and uglier. This one is shorter and uglier. I guess that's an Admirable achievement. Barely.

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I admire that someone thought lots of windows / ports was a good idea. 

No one wants the interior of their boat to look like a cave.  

I also admire the trailer tires that appear to be properly inflated.  Really having to look hard for *something* to admire in that mess.  

 

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1 hour ago, MarkusCarkus said:

I admire that the trailer can apparently pull a trailer.

I think that's the road-capable outboard.

I admire that this boat is apparently not a home for animals. Yet

FB- Doug

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On 9/25/2017 at 6:14 PM, Uncooperative Tom said:

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We don't see too many examples of someone replacing the house with a shorter one.

Usually it's taller and uglier. This one is shorter and uglier. I guess that's an Admirable achievement. Barely.

I admire the trailer design and the pop bottle tarp weights...

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