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1st J111 North American's in Chicago... Who's coming?

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From edasner in the J111 goes sailing thread -

 

"The 2013 J/111 North American Championships (hopefully worlds, if we can get some European teams to come) have been granted to Chicago Yacht Club to be held at its Belmont Station, August 15-18, 2013. We are sorting out the details, but wanted to get the date out to people as soon as possible, so they can make plans. At this point we know that free dockage will be available to the out of town boats for the event, and the the Verve cup the weekend prior.

 

Much more information to follow. Please join us!"

 

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Added bonus in July, you can knock the Chicago Mac race off your bucket list. We had 10 J111's race N in 2012... nothing like a 300+ mile 1D race as a tune up for the NA's!

 

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So then take the reigns and make it easy for them to fly in all sorta Rock Star, just jump on the Green boat and fly out at the end. As you said the wedding is not till the next weekend. BTW what kind of a sailor is involved with wedding plans during the summer?!?

 

http://farr40worlds....-farr-40-worlds

 

snappy vid from the F40 Worlds over the summer... come on to the Windy City!

 

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New J111 in Milwaukee I'm the BMW and I recognize some boat names from when L was with J105 Latis. How you all doing. Working on races for 2013 for the owner and some other questions.

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In fact, within a 4 week period, a travelling J/111 could participate in the Chicago Mac, the Harbor Springs Ugotta Regatta, the Chicago Yacht Club Verve Cup (which will be used as pre-NA's), and the NA's themselves. All ONE DESIGN starts.

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In fact, within a 4 week period, a travelling J/111 could participate in the Chicago Mac, the Harbor Springs Ugotta Regatta, the Chicago Yacht Club Verve Cup (which will be used as pre-NA's), and the NA's themselves. All ONE DESIGN starts.

 

Chicago Mac - July 13th 333 mile race up Lake Michigan

Bayview Mac - July 20th 200+ mile race along Lake Huron

UGotta Regatta - July 26th -28th in Harbor Springs, MI Northern end of Lake Michigan on the way to Chicago from Mackinac Island.

Verve Cup - August 9-11th

J111 NA's (Worlds?) August 15 - 18th

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That actually sounds like a wicked good time.

Question is, will any of the wingnuts from LIS go?

My guess would be NO!

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Hello All,

 

Anyone who is considering coming in from out of town to Chicago to take advantage of the full month of One Design fun (over 12 days of 1D J111 racing) starting with the 105th Race to Mackinac ending with the NAC's please. please, please click through on the link http://competitor.cy...requestinfo.cfm to request an invitation to participate sooner rather than later.

 

This is a popular race that will fill to capacity and we would like you to be able to join us as we sail up the lake. Last year we had a 10 boat section battling all the way north with only an hour spread for the section, 6 111's finished in the top 10 for the Mackinac Cup.

 

If you ever wanted to cross this, the oldest annual fresh water distance race in the world, off your bucket list with your boat then this could be the perfect time to come to Chicago!

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Just curious if the 111 in the picture (USA 12) is going to be able to measure in with that Code Zero and bobstay. Is a bobstay class legal?

 

If a bobstay is not class legal, you really picked a bad picture. If I'm from out of town, I not going to put my boat on a trailer unless I know there are no "local" issues.

 

 

BTW: That bobstay and/or the pole extension could use some adjustments. I don't think the sprit should be angled up quite so far.

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Rest easy RATM. The class rules will be strictly adhered to. That picture was from the Mac race where code zeros and bobstays are allowed for the class. We only allow them here for that race and a couple other distance races that dont count for any series. 12345 used that picture because he liked it. Re: pole angle, I see your point, and we will adjust it next time, but we won anyway.

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New class rules are out and bob stays are now allowed.

 

 

Rest easy RATM. The class rules will be strictly adhered to. That picture was from the Mac race where code zeros and bobstays are allowed for the class. We only allow them here for that race and a couple other distance races that dont count for any series. 12345 used that picture because he liked it. Re: pole angle, I see your point, and we will adjust it next time, but we won anyway.

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The class rules were made effective sept 2012 by jboats. They do not mention bob stays and since they are closed rules they are NOT allowed.

 

The class rules are modified for the Chicago Mac race per agreement of fleet 1 (lake michigan fleet) and chicago yacht club to allow bob stays just for that race as well as two additional spinnakers.

 

Kevmo why did you make that post when its not true?

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Not sure how to attach files on here, but I can email you the rules effective may 15 2013. Send me a pm with your email and I will send you the new rules. Hopefully I read it right.

 

 

The class rules were made effective sept 2012 by jboats. They do not mention bob stays and since they are closed rules they are NOT allowed.

The class rules are modified for the Chicago Mac race per agreement of fleet 1 (lake michigan fleet) and chicago yacht club to allow bob stays just for that race as well as two additional spinnakers.

Kevmo why did you make that post when its not true?

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Apparently Kevmo is right after all. He sent me a pm with updated may 2013 class rules that now expressly allow a bob stay. I hereby apologize to him. Jboats had not yet sent sent the new rules to all the owners.

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Thanks Edasner. I am surprised it hasn't been mass mailed already.

 

Apparently Kevmo is right after all. He sent me a pm with updated may 2013 class rules that now expressly allow a bob stay. I hereby apologize to him. Jboats had not yet sent sent the new rules to all the owners.

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We are excited to announce.....The Chicago Yacht Club has graciously approved an amendment to the NOR's for the J111 North American Championships to extend the discounted early registration fee until June 15th!! Take advantage of this opportunity while it lasts.

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With 2 more boats registered for the 1st J111 North American Championships in Chicago we are up to 12 boats representing 7 States.

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Does a required equipment list exist anywhere other than in the ISAF website? Just want to make sure we don't miss anything before NA's.

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15 boats, 8 states, 1 winner... It all starts on Thursday.

 

https://www.chicagoyachtclub.org/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=366087&ssid=277382&vnf=1 for the latest information

http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_regatta_results.php?regatta_id=6778 for the scores

https://www.facebook.com/J111Fleet1 facebook page

http://j111nac2013.wix.com/j111nac2013 Regatta Web Page

 

not sure if anyone is on Instagram but feel free to hash tag #j111NAC2013 if you do.

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Well Fleet 1 Race Fans it all begins tomorrow, who will be on top Thursday and will they stay for the run of the event in this competitive fleet. There is one thing that this fleet has proven over the last two years is that there is no lock on the top spot and that at any time any boat can take the bullet.

 

Velocity

Kashmir

MENTAL

Lucky Dubie

Impulse

Hobgoblin

Wooton

Rowdy

nosurprise

Spaceman Spiff

Nighthawk

Fleetwing

My Sharona

Windczar

 

Unfortunately we have a scratch from this weekend with Misty we want to wish them all the best and a speedy return to the lake!

 

Follow along with results posting to - http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_regatta_results.php?regatta_id=6778



If anyone is lookig for crew at this late a date we do have a few folks out there looking for a ride.

 

PM me please

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Well Fleet 1 Race Fans it all begins tomorrow, who will be on top Thursday and will they stay for the run of the event in this competitive fleet. There is one thing that this fleet has proven over the last two years is that there is no lock on the top spot and that at any time any boat can take the bullet.

 

Velocity

Kashmir

MENTAL

Lucky Dubie

Impulse

Hobgoblin

Wooton

Rowdy

nosurprise

Spaceman Spiff

Nighthawk

Fleetwing

My Sharona

Windczar

 

Unfortunately we have a scratch from this weekend with Misty we want to wish them all the best and a speedy return to the lake!

 

Follow along with results posting to - http://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_regatta_results.php?regatta_id=6778

 

 

If anyone is lookig for crew at this late a date we do have a few folks out there looking for a ride.

 

PM me please

What happen to Misty?

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So is this right? You can have one pro and then one J/boats rep whether pro or not...the rest have to be Cat 1s?

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Class rule

 

C.3.1 LIMITATIONS ON THE CREW

(a) With the exception of 1 crew member, all those under the age of 65 shall hold a valid group 1 classification. As an exemption an additional member of crew may be a Group 3 or unclassified competitor who is a full time employee of J Boats, Inc. or a J Boats dealer or is the J/111 class manager.

 

So looks like 2 Group 3s or a 3 and a unclassified J/Boat person.

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I read it as:

 

One (1) Cat 3

One (1) Unrestricted J/Boats Employee/dealer/whatever

As many unrestricted >65s as you want.

 

isnt' that what it says?

 

Class rule

C.3.1 LIMITATIONS ON THE CREW
(a) With the exception of 1 crew member, all those under the age of 65 shall hold a valid group 1 classification. As an exemption an additional member of crew may be a Group 3 or unclassified competitor who is a full time employee of J Boats, Inc. or a J Boats dealer or is the J/111 class manager.

So looks like 2 Group 3s or a 3 and a unclassified J/Boat person.

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Right, well what I heard (anyone care to interject and/or confirm) was that during the sail measuring in, at the NA's, a Quantum Chute was built with Contender Superlite, which is technically illegal as its too lite of a clothe (per the class regs.) Wally Cross insisted it was legal, as it was from a lot of Superlite which was built heavier, and sought documentation from Contender. Evidently someone from Q asked Contender to provide the paperwork for any lot of Superlite that was built heavier, and Contender supplied the paperwork for a heavier Superlite batch from 2006, but was shown to have been sold to UK Sails. This paperwork was then altered to apply to this J111 spinnaker, with numbers and dates being manipulated, but a keen eye or two (on the measuring committee) picked up on this fact, and the local Powers that be issued a "Warning", which in turn mandates a formal rule 69 investigation

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So nobodys talking about the Superlite Spinnaker incident, involving Mr. Cross?

We've been asking around for more information but it will probably have to wait until US Sailing is done with it. Sail has been impounded.

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So nobodys talking about the Superlite Spinnaker incident, involving Mr. Cross?

We've been asking around for more information but it will probably have to wait until US Sailing is done with it. Sail has been impounded.

Gotcha, I did see the Anarchy-mobile parked at Belmont, and wondered why this potential instance of cheating went on without mention or anything. For a moment I thought that this wasn't getting coverage by SA because of Quantum's role as a forum sponsor. But its great to hear that you're working on it, and I'm anxious to hear what you uncover, and How US Sailing rules.

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If someone is being investigated or whatever the term is for a Rule 69 violation, are they still allowed to compete in other events?

 

 

That's a really good question, especially with the Beneteau 36.7 North Americans coming up back here in Chicago (a fleet in which Wally Cross has been active and successful). Once Again, I'm stunned at the absence of coverage of this incident, on Sailing Anarchy, proving that Sponsorship really does have it's privileges.

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...I've heard about it as well. And was also surprised it went basically unnoticed around here. This place can flame up over a slightest and most distant appearance and accusation of cheating.

 

But from what I'm hearing, this one's pretty darn obvious and quite blatant. Yet, silence still.

 

"Shhh.... maybe if nobody talks about it, it'll go away"

 

 

And, Wally is now Quantum 'Chicago'. Maybe he's just making himself at home here.

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Part of what makes the J/Boat marketing machine so impressive is their ability to clamp down on this sort of thing and make sure it doesn't make great waves anywhere.

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Part of what makes the J/Boat marketing machine so impressive is their ability to clamp down on this sort of thing and make sure it doesn't make great waves anywhere.

thats funny !

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Funny or not, the fact remains, we had SA coverage at the event the entire time, and not even a peep yet, about an investigation that stands to inflict a substantial penalty, not to mention substantial negative ramifications, onto a cherished Sponsor here. Just sayin.....journalism?

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...it might be very quiet now. But it won't be so quiet in about six months after the investigation is complete.

 

Neither SA, J-Boats, or Quantum Sails will be able to cap this kinda scandalous attempt at cheating. In the meantime, I bet this disgraceful act will mostly go totally unnoticed.

 

For instance - this 'news' is currently buried in the J-Boat Forum, on a thread for a past regatta.

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Funny or not, the fact remains, we had SA coverage at the event the entire time, and not even a peep yet, about an investigation that stands to inflict a substantial penalty, not to mention substantial negative ramifications, onto a cherished Sponsor here. Just sayin.....journalism?

First of all, quit it with the 'J' word.

 

Secondly, we dug in all the necessary corners for days and learned what we needed to in order to be able to say that we are very confident that Wally is no cheater. He is however quite hated by a few local sailmakers, and I am most curious about why that is. Past that, we'll leave it to USS and see what happens, if anything.

 

One thing I do know is that the dock talk bore little resemblance to what the measurers said was happening.

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Who's sailing which buoy races for the rest of the season? Let's try to get a J111 section start for at least a couple. Wooton will come if there's some 111's there.

Kashmir is in for Sheldon Clark. Who else?

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Who knows what about the cloth certificate shennanigans?

 

Well, Evidently Clean knows something that contradicts what many insiders witnessed and commented on, about A.) A Sail being made of an illegal Clothe, then B.) A document Being Requested by the sailmaker from Contender, documenting a batch of heavier clothe (which, if it were applicable would render the sail in question "legal"), although that document was found to have been altered (was from a batch of clothe from 2006, sold to UK not quantum, which was then altered and provided to the measurers, in an attempt to clear the sail in question). As it was explained to me, the same document contender was asked to supply, which was subsequently altered, was also requested (and received by) a class official, who used it to establish that the shenanigans had actually ensued, thus prompting the Warning from the local officials, which merits a more formal investigation by US sailing. So, although this same info was confirmed by three-four insiders, who were there, its been deemed "dock Talk", and Clean (who was there) evidently has information to the contrary, which for some reason he is remaining mum about.

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B36.7.

And at Verve Cup, same said individual, appears to have been involved in a incorrectly submitted sail declaration form (declaring the same button numbers on multiple sails). This, could of course be an honest mistake.

Also appears that a sail from that boat was destroyed during a regatta that never saw wind over 8kts. Sail was so destroyed that it went missing, so the tech comm couldn't even inspect it if they wanted. Heard new sail was built, can't totally confirm that.

Again this seems totally plausible since the boat is from out of town and I am sure they are moving things around. It's entirely possible the kite fell off the back of the truck somewhere in Indiana.

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...there's a few kites I've known I wished had 'fell off the truck' before a regatta.

There are a few sailors I'd like to "fall of the truck" before the regatta....

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