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ETNZ: AC72 Boat 2- Delivered.

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Can't see too much from the video but it is impressive that they will be sailing their second boat in early February!

-Matt

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Pretty presumptuous that they'll see how fast it is in September.

 

I'm sure the LR and Artemis teams don't mind :lol:.

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Pretty presumptuous that they'll see how fast it is in September.

 

 

Nice, I didn't catch that!

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Pink Floyd at the end was good.

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I know the paint job does not win the race (well maybe one could say by the size of the logos equalling cash thrown at a team) but dear god its got the same ugly looking paint job as tractor #1. But then again who cares...let it be fast I say!

 

Only redeeming feature atheistically is that cool looking flag. Like it.

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I know the paint job does not win the race (well maybe one could say by the size of the logos equalling cash thrown at a team) but dear god its got the same ugly looking paint job as tractor #1. But then again who cares...let it be fast I say!

 

Only redeeming feature atheistically is that cool looking flag. Like it.

 

Actually, I liked the paint job on #1.

Not as much as Prada, but then those damned Italian's boats have always come in #1 for style and pure sex appeal!

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Doesn't appear to have the chopped of transom of boat #1, looks like the slope on AR1 & the 45's.

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I would like the team of five approch on the black canvas circa 1995, but with a amount that emirates have paid to keep this team afloat they should get there moneys worth.

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Gone for 4 x 2s at the back there!

Yeah, only got to last a little while.

 

LMAO!

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So any obvious changes?

 

Cut down & enclosed rear behind the rear beam.

Rocker looks a bit different, fuller aft?

I think the foredeck V is more pronounced & carried much further aft. Boat one flattened right off before the main beam, this one is still considerably V'd even aft of the main beam.

Freeboard looks similar, maybe even higher?

Hulls maybe a bit thinner? Crossbeam mount points look a bit further inboard than on boat one.

Working deck looks lowered quite a bit compared to boat one.

 

Deck/Grinder layout is changed, looks like front 2 further forward & a winch or the helm between the aft pair.

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The ETNZ weapon of mass destruction.

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So any obvious changes?

 

Cut down & enclosed rear behind the rear beam.

Rocker looks a bit different, fuller aft?

I think the foredeck V is more pronounced & carried much further aft. Boat one flattened right off before the main beam, this one is still considerably V'd even aft of the main beam.

Freeboard looks similar, maybe even higher?

Hulls maybe a bit thinner? Crossbeam mount points look a bit further inboard than on boat one.

Working deck looks lowered quite a bit compared to boat one.

 

Deck/Grinder layout is changed, looks like front 2 further forward & a winch or the helm between the aft pair.

 

Well analysed - I think I see most of that. 1:45 is the money shot :P

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Yep 1:45 mostly.

2:10 for a glimpse of the new rear deck.

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rear deck (wrapped) @ 1:09 also - bikini babes might be out of luck on this one

 

lots of the hardware already in place it seems

 

wonder why the hull sits canted inboard?

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wonder why the hull sits canted inboard?

Maybe it has asymmetrical hulls ?

 

Rules require symmetrical hulls except for a few small areas.

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GD following his AC32 plan for success. Conservative boats that optimize his training time by getting them built and on the water before the other teams. That strategy almost got him the Cup during AC32. Lessons learned from from AC32 very well could put him over the top.

 

I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Ditto

Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

(: forum does not do arabic haha مبروك يا الإمارات

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

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Pink Floyd at the end was good.

 

The natural reverb in that shed provided some nice epic ambience for the 'another brick in the wall' solo.

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

Let's wait for another fart of AtWindAss :lol:

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wonder why the hull sits canted inboard?

Maybe it has asymmetrical hulls ?

like the bendy boat? omg

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Pretty presumptuous that they'll see how fast it is in September.

 

 

Nice, I didn't catch that!

Don't worry, he does, and only that matters :) .

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Sir RC is confident that ETNZ is a donkey,

a fast, stable, well behaved, donkey.

There are a lot of Kiwis who hope he is wrong,

for more than one reason

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GD following his AC32 plan for success. Conservative boats that optimize his training time by getting them built and on the water before the other teams. That strategy almost got him the Cup during AC32. Lessons learned from from AC32 very well could put him over the top.

 

I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

It's the spare and because they already have LR to sail against not required.

There is a significant risk involved sailing both your boats against each other for training, one big collision and it's game over.

 

I guess they could have had it ready to go and sailed it any time they were making mods to boat 2, but probably the will gain just as much giving the sailing team a break or doing inside stuff during these times.

 

If they could afford two whole sailing and shore teams it might be a different story I guess.

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

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At the end of the cup, I wonder what the budget percentages will look like:

 

i.e.

Boat development and building - 45%

Wing development and building - 10%

Under water appendages development and building - 10%

Crew salary and admin expenses - 35%

 

-Matt

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

From the 1st February to 1st May, they can sail each boat for 45 days. From 1st May, no limit on sailing days.

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I hope this one is the fastest boat on the track.

 

Ughhhk at the paint job.

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At the end of the cup, I wonder what the budget percentages will look like:

 

i.e.

Boat development and building - 45%

Wing development and building - 10%

Under water appendages development and building - 10%

Crew salary and admin expenses - 35%

 

-Matt

 

Retarded ACWS sideshow 10%

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oh that is a Boat 2 hull behind the group shot, I'd kind of assumed it was Boat 1.

Given that I guess the apparently higher V on the deck may have been optical illusion or because of the hull being canted on the trailer.

Would be kind of funny if Boat 2 winds up just being Boat 1 with a cut down rear...

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

From the 1st February to 1st May, they can sail each boat for 45 days. From 1st May, no limit on sailing days.

 

No money wasted on boat #1. It was always a best-cut test platform and potential backup. We all know that boat #2 is a big development on the first boat. From now on #1 is a reserve, hopefully never to be needed.

 

As for two-boat testing, there has been abundant comment here of the sheer cost and logistics inherent in sailing two boats simultaneously.

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In a recent Scuttlebutt 'monthly update' it was said (although not a direct quote as I recall) that AR will not be two-boating either.

 

Even RC suggested yesterday to Stuart S that OR may not do much of it, although he did imply there will be some kit-build leapfrogging.

 

Interesting that NZ2 will start off with W1. It could suggest that interchangeability is important in their designs.

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In a recent Scuttlebutt 'monthly update' it was said (although not a direct quote as I recall) that AR will not be two-boating either.

Even RC suggested yesterday to Stuart S that OR may not do much of it, although he did imply there will be some kit-build leapfrogging.

 

so GD, the bean counting oracle of auckland

 

once again leads with the truth to the public

 

with the talking heads scrambling to keep up

 

at least those who are not qualified to understand him

 

have given up trying to rein him in

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Sir RC is confident that ETNZ is a donkey,

a fast, stable, well behaved, donkey.

There are a lot of Kiwis who hope he is wrong,

for more than one reason

 

I think Russ has gotten a little bit arrogant over the years, starting to believe his own press.

He could however still pull this out of the bag, given the huge head start that OR had at the beginning of the cup cycle.

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oh that is a Boat 2 hull behind the group shot, I'd kind of assumed it was Boat 1.

Given that I guess the apparently higher V on the deck may have been optical illusion or because of the hull being canted on the trailer.

Would be kind of funny if Boat 2 winds up just being Boat 1 with a cut down rear...

 

GD has already said that there won't be a huge amount of visible difference.

I have been expecting finer amas, so will be interested to see if that is the case once we get more pics.

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Am I right to observe that the new boat has finer bows?

 

I can't tell from the photos TC, but it is what I have been expecting all along (see post above).

I personally think that boat #1 was not only a test bed, but an insurance policy in case they couldn't achieve flight as stably as they have.

With flight achieved stably, they (if my thinking is correct) can remove some of the volume in an attempt to reduce drag, since they not longer require said insurance.

 

Your thoughts?

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

 

I was just referrring to the guy's comment. That they hope to never bring boat 1 out again. So that is a brand new AC72 with will only 30 days of sailing on it. Probably never sail again. As fast and cool as these 72s are, in the end they are just to much money to maintain and use past a brief testing life. Just like the original USA-17 rotting in the sun on a San Fran dock. Where as the 12 meters and even some IACC boats found 2nd lives in private collections or as charter boats. Hell even the AC45's can maybe find a 2nd life, but the AC72's? How can they? They are to huge. Just a sad waste of a cool boat.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

 

I was just referrring to the guy's comment. That they hope to never bring boat 1 out again. So that is a brand new AC72 with will only 30 days of sailing on it. Probably never sail again. As fast and cool as these 72s are, in the end they are just to much money to maintain and use past a brief testing life. Just like the original USA-17 rotting in the sun on a San Fran dock. Where as the 12 meters and even some IACC boats found 2nd lives in private collections or as charter boats. Hell even the AC45's can maybe find a 2nd life, but the AC72's? How can they? They are to huge. Just a sad waste of a cool boat.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

Yup, the only way I see them surviving is if the AC72 class is used for the next AC.

Given what Russ said in his recent interview, this is unlikely.

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

 

I was just referrring to the guy's comment. That they hope to never bring boat 1 out again. So that is a brand new AC72 with will only 30 days of sailing on it. Probably never sail again. As fast and cool as these 72s are, in the end they are just to much money to maintain and use past a brief testing life. Just like the original USA-17 rotting in the sun on a San Fran dock. Where as the 12 meters and even some IACC boats found 2nd lives in private collections or as charter boats. Hell even the AC45's can maybe find a 2nd life, but the AC72's? How can they? They are to huge. Just a sad waste of a cool boat.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

Yup, the only way I see them surviving is if the AC72 class is used for the next AC.

Given what Russ said in his recent interview, this is unlikely.

 

At the end of this cup a huge amount of design and research and development work will have been done on AC72's, all sorts of analysis tools developed, and a ton of performance data accumulated - so the marginal cost of building more AC72's will have dropped dramatically. There will also be 8 AC72's in the world, and probably 8 AC72 wings as well. These old AC72's would likely be relatively cheap for future syndicates to use as test and training mules for future campaigns. Overall retaining the AC72's for another cup cycle might actually be cheaper than doing a clean-sheet design on a 60 foot multi, particularly if some effort is put into more efficient and cheaper shore handling of the boats so that they don't need to be stepped every time they are sailed.

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

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Yup, the only way I see them surviving is if the AC72 class is used for the next AC.

Given what Russ said in his recent interview, this is unlikely.

At the end of this cup a huge amount of design and research and development work will have been done on AC72's, all sorts of analysis tools developed, and a ton of performance data accumulated - so the marginal cost of building more AC72's will have dropped dramatically. There will also be 8 AC72's in the world, and probably 8 AC72 wings as well. These old AC72's would likely be relatively cheap for future syndicates to use as test and training mules for future campaigns. Overall retaining the AC72's for another cup cycle might actually be cheaper than doing a clean-sheet design on a 60 foot multi, particularly if some effort is put into more efficient and cheaper shore handling of the boats so that they don't need to be stepped every time they are sailed.

A much larger building and yard space is required next to the launch area because of the huge footprint the A72's need ..

 

Other major costs with the AC72's is in the big team and time needed to launch and retrieve the beasts ..

 

According to GD they need 40 people and 1.5 hours to launch and another 1.5 hours to retrieve them because of the wings ..

 

Maybe if they dispensed with the wings the AC72's could be retained but the big foot print would still be a problem ..

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Do you really think SWS is gay ?

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So any obvious changes?

 

Cut down & enclosed rear behind the rear beam.

Rocker looks a bit different, fuller aft?

I think the foredeck V is more pronounced & carried much further aft. Boat one flattened right off before the main beam, this one is still considerably V'd even aft of the main beam.

Freeboard looks similar, maybe even higher?

Hulls maybe a bit thinner? Crossbeam mount points look a bit further inboard than on boat one.

Working deck looks lowered quite a bit compared to boat one.

 

Deck/Grinder layout is changed, looks like front 2 further forward & a winch or the helm between the aft pair.

This is what we should be talking about.

But Nav's eyes are better than mine and he has nailed all these that I missed.

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

 

Really? http://en.wikipedia...._in_New_Zealand

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

 

Appreciate the comment, but their is simply no excuse for some people, especially those that go rail to rail from firing off insults like a roman candle in one post to quoting Confucius in another to blathering homophobic comments (along with TC) and using $0.50 words he probably doesn't even understand in the next.

 

I trust he is not representative of most any population, certainly not NZ, although he does his best to tarnish the image, along with ta dookie.

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

 

Appreciate the comment, but their is simply no excuse for some people, especially those that go rail to rail from firing off insults like a roman candle in one post to quoting Confucius in another to blathering homophobic comments and using $0.50 words he probably doesn't even understand in the next.

 

I trust he is not representative of most any population, certainly not NZ, although he does his best to tarnish the image, along with ta dookie.

Oooh,...looks like the Swallower is coming out of the closet...

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I am surprised to hear in that video that ETNZ hope to not have to take boat 1 out again. How much money for an AC72 that will only be sailed for 30 days? Man that is wasteful, and needs to change.

 

 

What was the rule that you could only sail your boat for 30 days.....was that between certain dates? Will they be allowed to do two boat testing if they want? I wonder if they have the crew for that type of testing.

 

I was just referrring to the guy's comment. That they hope to never bring boat 1 out again. So that is a brand new AC72 with will only 30 days of sailing on it. Probably never sail again. As fast and cool as these 72s are, in the end they are just to much money to maintain and use past a brief testing life. Just like the original USA-17 rotting in the sun on a San Fran dock. Where as the 12 meters and even some IACC boats found 2nd lives in private collections or as charter boats. Hell even the AC45's can maybe find a 2nd life, but the AC72's? How can they? They are to huge. Just a sad waste of a cool boat.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

Yup, the only way I see them surviving is if the AC72 class is used for the next AC.

Given what Russ said in his recent interview, this is unlikely.

 

At the end of this cup a huge amount of design and research and development work will have been done on AC72's, all sorts of analysis tools developed, and a ton of performance data accumulated - so the marginal cost of building more AC72's will have dropped dramatically. There will also be 8 AC72's in the world, and probably 8 AC72 wings as well. These old AC72's would likely be relatively cheap for future syndicates to use as test and training mules for future campaigns. Overall retaining the AC72's for another cup cycle might actually be cheaper than doing a clean-sheet design on a 60 foot multi, particularly if some effort is put into more efficient and cheaper shore handling of the boats so that they don't need to be stepped every time they are sailed.

 

However, nobody including Russ is talking about keeping these things beyond the current cup cycle

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There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

I for one am not a member of this "large majority" Indio speaks of, we welcome all types here. Although it seems there is the odd one among us we would prefer didn't speak on our behalf.

 

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Get a grip. I thought that T'analised was a great quip.

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There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

I for one am not a member of this "large majority" Indio speaks of, we welcome all types here. Although it seems there is the odd one among us we would prefer didn't speak on our behalf.

 

mogs

Your curious choice of words betrays your predisposition, with your condescending claim that "we welcome all types here" laughable in it's dishonesty. Like every other nation on the planet, we are selective in who we "welcome" here.

 

The majority of NZ'ers accept that the institution of matrimony is between a man and a woman, not between William and Robert whose civil union is already recognised under existing NZ legislation. So why don't you get tanalised!!

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Big fan of SA, esp the forums. Long time reader / first time poster.

 

Indio - you're a f***ing idiot. This is a new low even for some of the idiots who post on this site.

 

 

You are the vocal 0.1% who give P-H reason to take issue with the best little country in the world.

 

Even the Germans and Canadians agree - NZ number one for freedom and civil liberties:

 

http://crooksandliars.com/nonny-mouse/greatest-nation-earth-isnt-us

 

"The survey measured the degree to which people are free to enjoy classic civil liberties - freedom of speech, religion, individual economic choice, and association and assembly - in each country surveyed, as well as indicators of crime and violence, freedom of movement, legal discrimination against homosexuals, and women's freedoms. Pretty extensive stuff."

 

Can we get back to a very cool second ETNZ / RNZYS boat?

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Big fan of SA, esp the forums. Long time reader / first time poster.

 

Indio - you're a f***ing idiot. This is a new low even for some of the idiots who post on this site.

 

 

You are the vocal 0.1% who give P-H reason to take issue with the best little country in the world.

 

Even the Germans and Canadians agree - NZ number one for freedom and civil liberties:

 

http://crooksandliar...n-earth-isnt-us

 

"The survey measured the degree to which people are free to enjoy classic civil liberties - freedom of speech, religion, individual economic choice, and association and assembly - in each country surveyed, as well as indicators of crime and violence, freedom of movement, legal discrimination against homosexuals, and women's freedoms. Pretty extensive stuff."

 

Can we get back to a very cool second ETNZ / RNZYS boat?

Fuck they're all coming out of the closet!!

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol:/> .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:/>

 

Here we have it folks, probably an all time SA classic, Indio saying that homosexuality is a nationality.

 

Go fuck yourself Indio. I'm sure no one else will.

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol:/> .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:/>

 

Here we have it folks, probably an all time SA classic, Indio saying that homosexuality is a nationality.

 

Go fuck yourself Indio.

The lady doth protest too much...

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Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:/>

 

And you have the stones to call Americans un-educated/un-civilized rednecks?

 

What a dick.

 

WetHog

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

 

And people took exception to me when I started calling you the leader of the Kiwi Religious Right.

 

Will be interesting to see if The Ed gives you a nice long time out for the above comments about making fun of homosexuals.

 

And to the rest of the Kiwi's here - I know damn well that Indio does not represent the viewpoint of your country.

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Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

 

And people took exception to me when I started calling you the leader of the Kiwi Religious Right.

 

Will be interesting to see if The Ed gives you a nice long time out for the above comments about making fun of homosexuals.

 

And to the rest of the Kiwi's here - I know damn well that Indio does not represent the viewpoint of your country.

What is so special about homosexuals that we can't poke fun at them, the same way we poke fun at the French, the English, yes the Americans, Australians, soccer players, etc, the same way others poke fun at us? There's the strong stench of hypocrisy permeating through all the posts criticising moi.

 

Freedom of speech only applies to some elements of your society huh!?!? You're a hypocrite of the worst kind.

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Big fan of SA, esp the forums. Long time reader / first time poster.

 

Indio - you're a f***ing idiot. This is a new low even for some of the idiots who post on this site.

 

 

You are the vocal 0.1% who give P-H reason to take issue with the best little country in the world.

 

Even the Germans and Canadians agree - NZ number one for freedom and civil liberties:

 

http://crooksandliar...n-earth-isnt-us

 

"The survey measured the degree to which people are free to enjoy classic civil liberties - freedom of speech, religion, individual economic choice, and association and assembly - in each country surveyed, as well as indicators of crime and violence, freedom of movement, legal discrimination against homosexuals, and women's freedoms. Pretty extensive stuff."

 

Can we get back to a very cool second ETNZ / RNZYS boat?

 

+1

 

Indio has ruined a potentially awesome topic with his constant drivel.

 

I am surprised at the amount of freeboard boat 2 has retained. Using W1 for a while seems like a really good move.

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Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:/>

 

And you have the stones to call Americans un-educated/un-civilized rednecks?

 

What a dick.

 

WetHog

 

Face it Hoggie...............I guess that is just what we are. ;)

 

 

Hey, how about that new boat the Kiwi's just had delivered....................................

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Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

 

And people took exception to me when I started calling you the leader of the Kiwi Religious Right.

 

Will be interesting to see if The Ed gives you a nice long time out for the above comments about making fun of homosexuals.

 

And to the rest of the Kiwi's here - I know damn well that Indio does not represent the viewpoint of your country.

What is so special about homosexuals that we can't poke fun at them, the same way we poke fun at the French, the English, yes the Americans, Australians, soccer players, etc, the same way others poke fun at us? There's the strong stench of hypocrisy permeating through all the posts criticising moi.

 

Freedom of speech only applies to some elements of your society huh!?!? You're a hypocrite of the worst kind.

 

 

Clearly, you do not understand the difference between discussing the vague generalities of a nationality versus the discussion of a personal sexual preference.

 

Perhaps you will now get a lesson in behaving appropriately towards the issue of sexual preference, on an American owned and run sailing site, where the owner is pretty liberal, and has just about zero tolerance for those who are disrespectful on this subject.

 

There is a huge difference between poking fun in a vague way at a nationality, and the sort of hate speech in which you engage about a personal sexual preference.

 

Now back to orginally scheduled programming.

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Interesting that NZ2 will start off with W1. It could suggest that interchangeability is important in their designs.

 

when you are testing it's best to only change one thing at a time.

 

that boat the antithesis of a donkey.

the paint job is like their branding. you don't change your branding mid stream, and i like red bows and black aft section. it's a good color scheme for a bad ass race cat.

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Indio, where have you been getting your information about NZers opposed to Same sex marriage. Perhaps Ian Wishart and Investigate magazine.

Both the last NZHerald Key Research Poll (53.9% to 38.1) and the TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll (63% to 31) in favour of same sex marriage.

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Big fan of SA, esp the forums. Long time reader / first time poster.

 

Indio - you're a f***ing idiot. This is a new low even for some of the idiots who post on this site.

 

 

You are the vocal 0.1% who give P-H reason to take issue with the best little country in the world.

 

Even the Germans and Canadians agree - NZ number one for freedom and civil liberties:

 

http://crooksandliar...n-earth-isnt-us

 

"The survey measured the degree to which people are free to enjoy classic civil liberties - freedom of speech, religion, individual economic choice, and association and assembly - in each country surveyed, as well as indicators of crime and violence, freedom of movement, legal discrimination against homosexuals, and women's freedoms. Pretty extensive stuff."

 

Can we get back to a very cool second ETNZ / RNZYS boat?

 

+1

 

Indio has ruined a potentially awesome topic with his constant drivel.

 

I am surprised at the amount of freeboard boat 2 has retained. Using W1 for a while seems like a really good move.

 

Interesting that NZ2 will start off with W1. It could suggest that interchangeability is important in their designs.

 

when you are testing it's best to only change one thing at a time.

 

that boat the antithesis of a donkey.

the paint job is like their branding. you don't change your branding mid stream, and i like red bows and black aft section. it's a good color scheme for a bad ass race cat.

 

I think also that any team would be INSANE to not have the wings fit either of their boats.

Lose the wing off your boat and you are toast if you can't use the wing off the other boat.

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Be good if the beams, foils, etc fitted too,

 

then you would be racing next day!

 

Might be tempted to take the opponent out like dodgems though!

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Please tell me what "tanalised" is.

 

According to SWS, It's what SanFran is renowned for, with the "t" standing for "transvestites/ transsexuals", and the rest what they get up to...and he should know :lol: .

 

I know SWS doesn't need me to stand up for him, but please excuse my fellow country man "Indio" for his 1000th homophobic comment on SA.

Please believe me when I say that most people from NZ are not so afraid people outside the norm.

Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

 

I don't know what a sanctimonious apologist!! is but if that is what I am for taking issue with your repeated homophobic statements, then oh well.

If I knew how to use this site properly then I could pull up your multipul statements, but alas I have a job and limited time to learn how.

I made no reference to marriage, so nice leap there. Haters gotta hate.

 

Sorry to all for taking this away from how cool the NZ boat is (more sanctimonious apologist stuff). I am so proud of my home nation for many great achievements and this is one of them. Win, lose or draw, this is already a great sucsess.

I will be in San Fran (renowned as the home of the Greatful Dead) to see the deal go down in September.

RL

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Another fucking sanctimonious apologist!! What is it with some of you people who feel the need to apologise for others? Nothing wrong with making fun of homosexuals: we make fun of other nationalities just for being, and they poke make fun of us in return. And don't be so presumptuous about "speaking" for "most people from NZ".

 

There is a large majority opposed to the proposal to legalise same-sex "marriage" in NZ.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree here, Sally :lol:

 

And people took exception to me when I started calling you the leader of the Kiwi Religious Right.

 

Will be interesting to see if The Ed gives you a nice long time out for the above comments about making fun of homosexuals.

 

And to the rest of the Kiwi's here - I know damn well that Indio does not represent the viewpoint of your country.

What is so special about homosexuals that we can't poke fun at them,

 

You clearly don't get it, but we knew that a long time ago.

 

Not surprising to see so many others speak out against your homophobic bias, and I see others equally as biased (TC) have crawled back under their rock.

 

Take a hint, dumbass.

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Not surprising to see so many others speak out against your homophobic bias, and I see others equally as biased (TC) blah blah blah ....

Troll, is not that a sailing blog ? :unsure:

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Well this breaking news hit the original thread first, so here goes.

 

Top item on TV1 sports tonight. Should be available on their site in a few hours. Others in the small media group appeared to be TV3, Richard Gladwell and Dana J.

 

Dalts isn't being shy. Talking about the team ..... a quote along the lines of "This is a tight unit. The tightest I've ever been involved with in the America's Cup. I think its because they can smell blood!"

 

Great views of the assembly process. I don't have an accurate handle of how the original hull connecting members were set up but an immediate impression of the bare skeleton is that the new version is more refined, less bulky.

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This is the boat that will take the cup home. Watch this space...

 

Seriously considering booking my plane ticket for the finals... That would be awesome.

 

Anyone else going?

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Anyone else going?

 

My mother-in-law lives in the East Bay....we will be making a trip to watch the races, I mean spend quality time with her.

 

It should really be a great time!

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it looks like 30 days of strain gauge readings has led to a shuffle of carbon

 

from less stressed areas to more

 

and for aero reasons most of that shuffling has been internal

 

fast forward to 13min

 

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Were connecting beams that square on #1 boat? Ott, hard to spot differences - bit less bow reverse rocker perhaps, none aft?

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From the NIck Holroyd video....

 

Parts for NZ2 - What's your guess?

 

ETNZobjecti_zps8fed4edf.png

 

ETNZobjectii_zps117878a3.png

 

Mechanical sheep anus ?

Get a grip. I thought that T'analised was a great quip.

 

Agreed a classic, topped out the Mechanical sheep's anus.

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I am thankful that a great many lurkers from NZ have come out to distance themselves from Indio, myself included. He's been a pretty good troll and has wound up the relevant parties in the past, but please do not consider his views as representative of the rest of NZ.

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So any obvious changes?

 

Cut down & enclosed rear behind the rear beam.

Rocker looks a bit different, fuller aft?

I think the foredeck V is more pronounced & carried much further aft. Boat one flattened right off before the main beam, this one is still considerably V'd even aft of the main beam.

Freeboard looks similar, maybe even higher?

Hulls maybe a bit thinner? Crossbeam mount points look a bit further inboard than on boat one.

Working deck looks lowered quite a bit compared to boat one.

 

Deck/Grinder layout is changed, looks like front 2 further forward & a winch or the helm between the aft pair.

 

Well analysed - I think I see most of that. 1:45 is the money shot :P

 

Hey guys! Nice going. You got a thumbs up from GD in yesterday's TV3 interview starting at 00:34

 

Dalts: "Some shots were taken as we brought it across the harbour bridge. Even though for protection it was wrapped and shrink-wrapped, already the websites are analysing the boat and they're pretty accurate."

 

FOOTNOTE HERE: For legit reasons we have two threads here on the same subject. Counterproductive, I'd say. I'm planning to stick with this one because despite the troll shit-fit it is far more comprehensive.

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Ahhh, this attempt at censorship BS, on an anarchistic site, no less.

Indio stirs shit, agreed ... but aside from missing target at times with some personal bias/weirdness, he knows his stuff - and mostly his posts are amusing ... in a brutal Kiwi sort of way.

Which I enjoy. But maybe not to others - outside the Kiwi Kulture.

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Ahhh, this attempt at censorship BS, on an anarchistic site, no less.

Indio stirs shit, agreed ... but aside from missing target at times with some personal bias/weirdness, he knows his stuff - and mostly his posts are amusing ... in a brutal Kiwi sort of way.

Which I enjoy. But maybe not to others - outside the Kiwi Kulture.

 

Aww shit, now Hastings will be in here mucking up a potentially good thread too...

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.....

Rocker looks a bit different, fuller aft?

.....

It says in Sail-World that they're confident they'll be foiling downwind, so hulls are now optimized for upwind work

 

 

FOOTNOTE HERE: For legit reasons we have two three threads here on the same subject. Counterproductive, I'd say. I'm planning to stick with this one because despite the troll shit-fit it is far more comprehensive.

 

I gave up and am posting at random

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Ahhh, this attempt at censorship BS, on an anarchistic site, no less.

Indio stirs shit, agreed ... but aside from missing target at times with some personal bias/weirdness, he knows his stuff - and mostly his posts are amusing ... in a brutal Kiwi sort of way.

Which I enjoy. But maybe not to others - outside the Kiwi Kulture.

 

That's a broad broadside :unsure:

 

FWIW, I'm prepared to live with all the trolls and, since you named him, I especially value Indio's expertise and insights.

 

I just think that two threads on the same subject because someone has their knickers in a twist is fucking stoopid!

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Rocker looks a bit different, fuller aft?

.....

It says in Sail-World that they're confident they'll be foiling downwind, so hulls are now optimized for upwind work

 

 

FOOTNOTE HERE: For legit reasons we have two three threads here on the same subject. Counterproductive, I'd say. I'm planning to stick with this one because despite the troll shit-fit it is far more comprehensive.

 

I gave up and am posting at random

 

Understandably!

 

However I hope you won't mind if I flag Richard Gladwell's latest opus here even though you beat me to it by posting first on the LR thread. http://www.sail-worl...ext-AC72/105686

 

Lots of great stuff to mine in this one, including the fact that the existing ETNZ wing is undergoing a major refit and upgrade that will make it identical to Wing 2 when it is completed.

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^ Yes, good piece there and, as Xlot remarked when (mis)posting it :) good to see more focus on wings.

 

Wrt lowering the windspeed limits, hopefully the Challs get their way - at least for the Challs-only LVC - but if that has big potential to disrupt Television broadcasts then I suppose the EA might stick to their guns; making that 'depowering' referred to all the more important.

 

More good platform photos at that link too. Has anyone suggested yet that the main beam might be more arched, ie: higher above the water at the wingstep than before?

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Ahhh, this attempt at censorship BS, on an anarchistic site, no less.

Indio stirs shit, agreed ... but aside from missing target at times with some personal bias/weirdness, he knows his stuff - and mostly his posts are amusing ... in a brutal Kiwi sort of way.

Which I enjoy. But maybe not to others - outside the Kiwi Kulture.

If by knowing his stuff, you mean he is intimately familiar with what's hanging between his legs, then I'm certain you are right.

 

With regard to sailing... where did you get the idea he knows his stuff? I must have missed any actual knowledge in his 5,443 opinion posts. There were a few funny ones, probably a dozen filled with decent nationalistic smack, and at least one other was clever.

 

Koukel

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