Skol 5 #1301 Posted October 3, 2013 Fugu - I can dig it. This boat is going to look rather pedestrian in the company of the above, and is maybe too grown up to be cool. She's no super-model, but a smart wholesome sensible woman who knows what matters in life: enthusiastic in bed, but you wouldn't have to dread the following morning - you could be sure of some decent conversation, she wouldn't laugh at your wardrobe, and you could take her home to mum. For sale at http://www.woodenships.co.uk/sailing-yachts/dalzell-43 I can't really see anything wrong with her, and would definitely take her out if she'd have me, and if I wasn't already married. to this neophyte, it's not a bad looking boat overall. I'm not sold on the enormous dorade vents in the cockpit, but I could see how they might be a great feature in equatorial waters. Traveler setup blows for it, though. the control lines snake around them and it all seems a million miles away from the helm. Aesthetically I find the transom a bit too abrupt, like they lopped the ass end of the boat off. The deck is cool. I like that all the halyards were left at the mast, where they should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dlevalley 0 #1302 Posted October 4, 2013 new entry for consideration: the Riptide 35 from Bieker Boats, built by the capable hands of Jim Betts of Anacortes, WA. I think this boat gets a lot of things right. Drawing 8 and a half feet with a bulb on the bottom, I'd imagine it can carry quite a bit of sail. It just can't do it anywhere near me. That has to be a MkII Riptide 35. And must have been the second one as 1)the first MKII is dry moored at my club. 2)I didn't recognize anyone in that pic and I would know. So were is the 2ndone in that pic? Great boat. Won Straits race overall. I had the privilege to know & sail on Jonathan & Libby McKee's Riptide 44 "Dark Star". We won Div. 1 and a 2nd OA in Straits '12. Designed as a performance cruiser/racer and pretty comfy but we saw the boat do 14 to 15 knots all the time at around 20 WS @ about 140. Rock steady too. Great interior, great build. Not your Dad's Bunter or Bendytoy. Real boat. There's a article on the SA FP years ago ('06 maybe?)and I can't find it sothis will have to do: http://www.biekerboats.com/Bieker_Boats/Riptide_44.html Pretty groovy cruising boat huh? Maxx - that's awesome. Thanks for chiming in on the thread. Can you tell us more about the equalization on the water ballast? How long does it take to switch sides? Is it purely gravity fed or are there pumps? Just curious about the realities of sailing with such a setup. I sailed on the MkI Riptide 35 for a while. The water ballast was a real pain for buoy racing -- it took about 90 seconds to transfer, and transferred via gravity (meaning you had to transfer ballast, then tack). And then you dumped it all at the windward mark, only to immediately start planning to fill. The fill used an electric pump from a thru-hull, and a manual pump. I was the 'manual pump' guy. But for distance races it was awesome. (and the rest of the boat was amazing -- definitely the most fun I've ever had sailing). I think the new boats have a sump with a submerged pump that fills the tanks much quicker. Paul came sailing with us once and described how he'd do the system differently were he to do it again. He struck me as a really nice guy, who was always thinking of the way to do something better. I learned a lot from him that afternoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryanjb 37 #1303 Posted October 4, 2013 The main looks pretty much like shit but at $25k they probably don't want to hear that. Trickypig might point out that RT could use a bit less tricky pig, and less jib halyard tension, although I doubt they're racing in that photo. Cali Condor has had the benefit of the designer aboard for most races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryanjb 37 #1304 Posted October 4, 2013 Pretty groovy cruising boat huh? Umm, no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trickypig 129 #1305 Posted October 4, 2013 Trickypig might point out that RT could use a bit less tricky pig, and less jib halyard tension, although I doubt they're racing in that photo. Cali Condor has had the benefit of the designer aboard for most races. To be fair I think they've just tacked. The mainsheet trimmer is busy grinding and the foredeckie is skirting the headsail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1306 Posted October 4, 2013 new entry for consideration: the Riptide 35 from Bieker Boats, built by the capable hands of Jim Betts of Anacortes, WA. I think this boat gets a lot of things right. Drawing 8 and a half feet with a bulb on the bottom, I'd imagine it can carry quite a bit of sail. It just can't do it anywhere near me. That has to be a MkII Riptide 35. And must have been the second one as 1)the first MKII is dry moored at my club. 2)I didn't recognize anyone in that pic and I would know. So were is the 2ndone in that pic? Great boat. Won Straits race overall. I had the privilege to know & sail on Jonathan & Libby McKee's Riptide 44 "Dark Star". We won Div. 1 and a 2nd OA in Straits '12. Designed as a performance cruiser/racer and pretty comfy but we saw the boat do 14 to 15 knots all the time at around 20 WS @ about 140. Rock steady too. Great interior, great build. Not your Dad's Bunter or Bendytoy. Real boat. There's a article on the SA FP years ago ('06 maybe?)and I can't find it sothis will have to do: http://www.biekerboats.com/Bieker_Boats/Riptide_44.html Pretty groovy cruising boat huh? Maxx - that's awesome. Thanks for chiming in on the thread. Can you tell us more about the equalization on the water ballast? How long does it take to switch sides? Is it purely gravity fed or are there pumps? Just curious about the realities of sailing with such a setup. I sailed on the MkI Riptide 35 for a while. The water ballast was a real pain for buoy racing -- it took about 90 seconds to transfer, and transferred via gravity (meaning you had to transfer ballast, then tack). And then you dumped it all at the windward mark, only to immediately start planning to fill. The fill used an electric pump from a thru-hull, and a manual pump. I was the 'manual pump' guy. But for distance races it was awesome. (and the rest of the boat was amazing -- definitely the most fun I've ever had sailing). I think the new boats have a sump with a submerged pump that fills the tanks much quicker. Paul came sailing with us once and described how he'd do the system differently were he to do it again. He struck me as a really nice guy, who was always thinking of the way to do something better. I learned a lot from him that afternoon. Having sailed on McKee's Dark Star, and with Paul, it's still pretty simple set up and ICBT nailed it: It's not intended for half & hour sausages in the bay. It was intended for more long distant racing or cruising. It's tough to get on top of your PHRF numbers that way. But Jonathan didn't give a ratazz about that. He had a very, very cool ride and went racing around the buoys anyway; he didn't care about PHRF pickle dishes. Dark Star was a evolution from that; a very cool cruiser/racer. Looking at the MKII 35 has evolved with it to a more recent vintage. Better water ballast system (we never had an issue with DS when I sailed her), better foils, better innovations generally. I've been waiting to talk to Paul now he's out of the AC/Oracle stuff for know; he's been a little busy. I'll will try to share with the rest of the class. The new 41 "Blue" is way cool and spent a lot of time on it and my own pics. I'm stuffed today to screw pictures but I will post some from my file when I get a moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skol 5 #1307 Posted October 6, 2013 I sailed on the MkI Riptide 35 for a while. The water ballast was a real pain for buoy racing -- it took about 90 seconds to transfer, and transferred via gravity (meaning you had to transfer ballast, then tack). And then you dumped it all at the windward mark, only to immediately start planning to fill. The fill used an electric pump from a thru-hull, and a manual pump. I was the 'manual pump' guy. But for distance races it was awesome. (and the rest of the boat was amazing -- definitely the most fun I've ever had sailing). I think the new boats have a sump with a submerged pump that fills the tanks much quicker. Paul came sailing with us once and described how he'd do the system differently were he to do it again. He struck me as a really nice guy, who was always thinking of the way to do something better. I learned a lot from him that afternoon. Having sailed on McKee's Dark Star, and with Paul, it's still pretty simple set up and ICBT nailed it: It's not intended for half & hour sausages in the bay. It was intended for more long distant racing or cruising. It's tough to get on top of your PHRF numbers that way. But Jonathan didn't give a ratazz about that. He had a very, very cool ride and went racing around the buoys anyway; he didn't care about PHRF pickle dishes. Dark Star was a evolution from that; a very cool cruiser/racer. Looking at the MKII 35 has evolved with it to a more recent vintage. Better water ballast system (we never had an issue with DS when I sailed her), better foils, better innovations generally. I've been waiting to talk to Paul now he's out of the AC/Oracle stuff for know; he's been a little busy. I'll will try to share with the rest of the class. The new 41 "Blue" is way cool and spent a lot of time on it and my own pics. I'm stuffed today to screw pictures but I will post some from my file when I get a moment. ICBT and Maxx - thanks for piping in! Makes total sense on W/L courses not being this design's forte. I tend to fantasize about ocean racing and cruising, hence my affinity for these boats. W/L racing just doesn't do it for me. Maxx, I've been all over the photo galleries for Blue. The dual rudders are very sporting! She looks like an amazing boat. When you get a chance, your pics would be well received. cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viktor 11 #1308 Posted October 7, 2013 Here is one,kinda little but one has to admire the fact that it does it's job very well. I think it was built by a guy who sometimes posts here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtsailjt 0 #1309 Posted October 7, 2013 Paine 14, Herreshoff 12 looks with an updated keel and rudder. I'd like to have one of these to play with.... http://www.chuckpaine.com/boats/paine-14-trailerable-sailboat/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1310 Posted October 7, 2013 Okay dokee - you asked for it! These are my pictures of "Blue". Outstanding, kewl, boat. (PS. - There more - I cratered the amount KB's. I'll send some more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1311 Posted October 7, 2013 More "Blue". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1312 Posted October 7, 2013 And again: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1313 Posted October 7, 2013 A couple of the interior detail: There's more but I'm pooped doing this. If anyone wants a full gallery for some reason I might be able to make that happen. But not just for the hell of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1314 Posted October 7, 2013 What the hell - taken yesterday of the Riptide 35 MKII "Longboard" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zedboy 0 #1315 Posted October 7, 2013 A couple of the interior detail: IMGP5972 (800x536).jpgIMGP5973 (800x536).jpgIMGP5975 (800x536).jpg There's more but I'm pooped doing this. If anyone wants a full gallery for some reason I might be able to make that happen. But not just for the hell of it. Frikken awesome boat. +many. I like how they have it set up so everyone has his/her own beer mug. That must save a lot of trouble figuring out who didn't wash up after themselves and put the mug back in the parking spot. And smart with the double sink to make for more efficient mug washing. I was gonna ask where's the oven so you can cook something other than beer for a change but I realized that was a dumb question. Unrelated: Why all the sleeping bags & tarps taking up space? My wife wouldn't go for that. They need to get organized in there. Seriously Maxx thx for the pretty pix, do you by any change have a sail plan/deck layout? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skol 5 #1316 Posted October 7, 2013 Maxx - thanks for Riptide boat porn. will be studying these for a bit here. wow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1317 Posted October 7, 2013 A couple of the interior detail: IMGP5972 (800x536).jpgIMGP5973 (800x536).jpgIMGP5975 (800x536).jpg There's more but I'm pooped doing this. If anyone wants a full gallery for some reason I might be able to make that happen. But not just for the hell of it. Frikken awesome boat. +many. I like how they have it set up so everyone has his/her own beer mug. That must save a lot of trouble figuring out who didn't wash up after themselves and put the mug back in the parking spot. And smart with the double sink to make for more efficient mug washing. I was gonna ask where's the oven so you can cook something other than beer for a change but I realized that was a dumb question. Unrelated: Why all the sleeping bags & tarps taking up space? My wife wouldn't go for that. They need to get organized in there. Seriously Maxx thx for the pretty pix, do you by any change have a sail plan/deck layout? Zedboy - here ya go: http://www.biekerboats.com/Bieker_Boats/Riptide_41.html And you have to remember the boat was just launched new coming from Annacortes to WVYC for the Southern Straits race. It was a project in motion when I took the pics and helped out the best I could so it's no wonder it's a little dishevelled at that point. Here's Kurt H's piece about Blue: http://www.nwyachting.com/2013/03/blue-passing-through/ One thing about Bieker and Betts they do good work. Innovative maybe but stuff that works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1318 Posted October 7, 2013 Maxx - thanks for Riptide boat porn. will be studying these for a bit here. wow Your welcome Skol. I've raced the 50 too and knew all about the MK I 35 as it was the first one for McKee. It was pretty innovated at that time.Say '94-'95 maybe? I never had an opportunity to sail on Ripple or Terremoto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
familysailor 113 #1319 Posted October 7, 2013 Bitchin' bunch of Betts built Bieker beasties! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zedboy 0 #1320 Posted October 8, 2013 http://www.biekerboats.com/Bieker_Boats/Riptide_41.html Once again, note the almost total lack of bilge. And this time, more than unusual interior layout - who the heck puts the head in the middle of the salon, with the galley to port?! Oh, of course: we need an excuse for structure to hang the keel off. Very clever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 150 #1321 Posted October 9, 2013 Okay, okay.....two more and I'll shut up. The MKII 35 and Blue in anger: And oops. It's not proper unless I mention Dark Star's pic: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 323 #1322 Posted October 9, 2013 http://www.biekerboats.com/Bieker_Boats/Riptide_41.html Once again, note the almost total lack of bilge. And this time, more than unusual interior layout - who the heck puts the head in the middle of the salon, with the galley to port?! Oh, of course: we need an excuse for structure to hang the keel off. Very clever. Joe Adams did the same sort of thing, but he used the structure for a daggerboard case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 2,831 #1323 Posted October 20, 2013 I want one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinnFish 33 #1324 Posted October 20, 2013 I want one. Where's the drinks cooler? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1325 Posted October 20, 2013 I bet it's fast off the wind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plenipotentiary Tom 1,110 #1326 Posted October 22, 2013 Oyster dredging boat via Woodenboat. I briefly considered putting it in another thread... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1327 Posted October 22, 2013 Extremely cool Tom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
py26129 53 #1328 Posted October 22, 2013 Extremely cool Tom. Damn!! You beat me to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 2,096 #1329 Posted October 22, 2013 Oyster dredging boat via Woodenboat. I briefly considered putting it in another thread... Oh c'mon, let's call it by it's name... Chesapeake Bay Bugeye. . Now I have a suggestion from another thread, and it's a big contrast... in some ways the polar opposite... of the boat Tom R just showed us. . The aptly-named Aphrodite 101, small-ish Yacht with a capital "Y" Another view, I have seen (and sailed, once) these boats and IMHO they are among the very few that are beautiful from every angle And before we go away, a diagram to show the bones There it is FB- Doug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 2,831 #1330 Posted October 22, 2013 I always thought the Aphrodite could use a bit more sheer in the bow. In person it looks just a little droopy, but the rest of the boat is nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephano 0 #1331 Posted October 22, 2013 I'm massively biased and though it has been used for cruising and even a honeymoon - I think the Herreshoff S boats deserve a mention in this thread. What might add to your consideration is that if any of you are willing to risk the splinters, the Narraganestt Bay fleet will welcome you aboard on for a sail or a race Tuesday nights (One Design) Wednesday nights (PHRF) or at one of our weekend regattas. There are also boats available for charter. More information posted at https://sites.google.com/site/nbhsca/ or please PM me. Cheers- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 986 #1332 Posted October 22, 2013 And it sails so nice (the aphrodite) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brodie 0 #1333 Posted October 23, 2013 Stephano, I sailed out of Jamestown for several years and always loved seeing the S boats. I towed one back to her mooring one Tuesday night when the wind completely died and the tide was going out. I was motoring by and thought the crews' waving at me looked a little more frantic than the usual friendly hello so I went back and gave them a lift. Guess if you're going to get a tow it might as well be from another sailboat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1334 Posted October 23, 2013 Don't class rules allow a vang? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A guy in the Chesapeake 1,198 #1335 Posted October 23, 2013 Oyster dredging boat via Woodenboat. I briefly considered putting it in another thread... Along those lines.... http://www.cbmm.org Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephano 0 #1336 Posted October 23, 2013 Brodie- I think that was me! Thank you again, you saved us that night. If I remember correctly you had a mooring over at Clark's? Bob- Class rules permit vangs however the geometry of anchoring it to the mast is poor. There is a history in the class of attempts at vangs however with the length of the boom there is also a history of snapping booms. For a few years the class permitted aluminum booms and masts (due to difficulty sourcing wooden ones) and I believe the aluminum booms took the load better. Presently, most of us are on the lookout for a fat guy who will sit in the main on the downwind legs and trust us not to jibe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1337 Posted October 23, 2013 Steph: Those booms look very spindly. I can imagine it would be easy to break one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raka025 1 #1338 Posted October 23, 2013 Paul Rollins built Mickey Finn. 48' Custom Yawl. http://s1348.photobucket.com/user/robdesmaraisdc/slideshow/ Can one use photobucket to upload pictures? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMOD 48 #1339 Posted October 23, 2013 no vangs is a great way to reduce load and injure people... when sailing neptune rule in the 8mr we sail without a vang too. we do have someone sitting on the boom to keep it down to keep the sail from spilling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 2,831 #1340 Posted October 23, 2013 Paul Rollins built Mickey Finn. 48' Custom Yawl. http://s1348.photobucket.com/user/robdesmaraisdc/slideshow/ Can one use photobucket to upload pictures? You should be able to. Go to More Reply Options (under the reply box) and it will let you link pictures in. Can you test post some tits to make sure it works? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 4,402 #1341 Posted October 27, 2013 Here's your chance to own a piece of history. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/Sloop1972-Doug-Peterso...--2435148/Tuscany/Italy#.Um1apxCmafU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 991 #1342 Posted October 27, 2013 Check this Tahiti ketch out. Apparently she was built of NZ Kauri over 50 years ago and has NEVER been in the water. You could say she is STILL brand new. Aparently for sale as part of a deceased estate, for NZ$20,000. Check her out here: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=650627703 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trickypig 129 #1343 Posted October 27, 2013 Here's your chance to own a piece of history. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/Sloop1972-Doug-Peterso...--2435148/Tuscany/Italy#.Um1apxCmafU Yes there was quite a bit of chat about her in another thread and then I saw that ad too. That is American Yachting history right there. About 5 years ago I bought a 1978 Ducati 900ss, owned it for a 18 months then sold it for slightly more money; that's good toy ownership. I wonder if buying `Gunbare' would be a good way to get out sailing and hold a certain amount of resale? Check this Tahiti ketch out. Apparently she was built of NZ Kauri over 50 years ago and has NEVER been in the water. You could say she is STILL brand new. Aparently for sale as part of a deceased estate, for NZ$20,000. Check her out here: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=650627703 Thats a gem... I hope the right person gets her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1345 Posted October 29, 2013 Roms: That was amazing! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plenipotentiary Tom 1,110 #1346 Posted October 29, 2013 Wow! Almost 20 knots on a waterbike? The only ones I have ever seen in person were lucky to go 4. Looks like the technology has changed since I last checked almost 20 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTheHero 11 #1347 Posted October 29, 2013 and why are they wearing bike helmets again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 428 #1348 Posted October 29, 2013 Wow! Almost 20 knots on a waterbike? The only ones I have ever seen in person were lucky to go 4. Looks like the technology has changed since I last checked almost 20 years ago. I can easily break four with my non foiling Wavebike...........(BTW, I think they only made four of these before the company folded....) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
py26129 53 #1349 Posted October 29, 2013 and why are they wearing bike helmets again? 'cause it's a water BIKE! (runs and hides) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1350 Posted October 29, 2013 "BTW, I think they only made four of these before the company folded....)" Can't imagine why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plenipotentiary Tom 1,110 #1351 Posted October 29, 2013 Kim, yours is about how I remember the technology. I looked, shrugged, and bought kayaks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Lada 1,147 #1352 Posted October 29, 2013 Wow! Almost 20 knots on a waterbike? The only ones I have ever seen in person were lucky to go 4. Looks like the technology has changed since I last checked almost 20 years ago. I can easily break four with my non foiling Wavebike...........(BTW, I think they only made four of these before the company folded....) At least we can see where your penchant for skinny boats came from! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trickypig 129 #1353 Posted October 29, 2013 I wonder if they could build a rowing eight bicycle on foils. The rowing world would go all foil mad like the sailing world is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brodie 0 #1354 Posted October 29, 2013 Nah, the rowing world is all about "you can do whatever you want but don't change anything" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
romaine 0 #1355 Posted October 29, 2013 Roms: That was amazing! Thanks. You're welcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 428 #1356 Posted October 30, 2013 "BTW, I think they only made four of these before the company folded....)" Can't imagine why. They are very fast (for a non foiler) and were very expensive new, I bought it from the original owner (a MicroSoftie) and paid pennies on the dollar for it. I am thinking of changing it to a recumbent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 428 #1357 Posted October 30, 2013 A long time ago there was an award for making 20 but I don't think anyone did it before the time limit? Or did the MIT airprop hydrofoil do it? I think Steve Hed hit 17 or 18 with one of the first cycling foilers.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jo forthan 1 #1358 Posted November 6, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200295056013489&set=a.1328935917913.38957.1666416267&type=1&theater Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 991 #1359 Posted November 6, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200295056013489&set=a.1328935917913.38957.1666416267&type=1&theater And the reason is? Isn't that's a bit like designing the first handsome carriage for 150 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackjenner 11 #1360 Posted November 6, 2013 Wow! Almost 20 knots on a waterbike? The only ones I have ever seen in person were lucky to go 4. Looks like the technology has changed since I last checked almost 20 years ago. I can easily break four with my non foiling Wavebike...........(BTW, I think they only made four of these before the company folded....) Want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 2,831 #1361 Posted November 6, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200295056013489&set=a.1328935917913.38957.1666416267&type=1&theater And the reason is? Isn't that's a bit like designing the first handsome carriage for 150 years? You'll get used to Jo. Posts boats conceptually from the last century, says nothing. Judging by the frequency of the posts, he's (she's) on an asteroid that comes close enough for internet every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1362 Posted November 6, 2013 At least Jo is predictable. I have yet to see anything from him that shows any individual imagination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 1,103 #1363 Posted November 6, 2013 Check this Tahiti ketch out. Apparently she was built of NZ Kauri over 50 years ago and has NEVER been in the water. You could say she is STILL brand new. Aparently for sale as part of a deceased estate, for NZ$20,000. Check her out here: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=650627703 Wow, beautiful. That was a passion project, no doubt. A shame he never finished her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miloman 0 #1364 Posted November 7, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200295056013489&set=a.1328935917913.38957.1666416267&type=1&theater And the reason is? Isn't that's a bit like designing the first handsome carriage for 150 years? I presume it's because of the resurgence of interest in the J class. I know that a number of knew boats have been built. Usually replicas, or to lines that were drawn in the 1930s but never built. When designing Ranger, Starling Burgess and Olin Stephens both drew up a few sets of lines and then compared them to each other. I think a few boats have either been built, or were talked about building, which were based on the unused lines. I suppose it was only a matter of time before somebody tried a new design to the old rule. But I agree, it's a bit (or more than a bit) silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sailman 6 #1365 Posted November 7, 2013 J Class rules prohibit new designs. Any new boat must be from a design from when the Class was an AC Boat. There are modification like materials used and some other exceptions but a completely new design is not going to be able to race in the class. http://www.boatinternational.com/superyacht-design-and-build/superyacht-construction/the-new-j-class-sailing-yacht-lionheart/ https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200295056013489&set=a.1328935917913.38957.1666416267&type=1&theater And the reason is? Isn't that's a bit like designing the first handsome carriage for 150 years? I presume it's because of the resurgence of interest in the J class. I know that a number of knew boats have been built. Usually replicas, or to lines that were drawn in the 1930s but never built. When designing Ranger, Starling Burgess and Olin Stephens both drew up a few sets of lines and then compared them to each other. I think a few boats have either been built, or were talked about building, which were based on the unused lines. I suppose it was only a matter of time before somebody tried a new design to the old rule. But I agree, it's a bit (or more than a bit) silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
py26129 53 #1366 Posted November 7, 2013 I thank you for bringing up the J-Class. I just blew 30 minutes on the class website. It's all good though. Here is the boat porn pic of the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1367 Posted November 7, 2013 Nice paint job. I've seen bigger transoms on 28' Bene's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Great Red Shark 226 #1368 Posted November 7, 2013 Good thing those guys are riding the rail - I'm sure the VMG would plummet if they weren't legs-out hiking like that. Heck, given the wispy-displacement of that boat it'd probably just give up and flip over like an 18-foot skiff without their efforts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plenipotentiary Tom 1,110 #1369 Posted November 7, 2013 Nice paint job. I've seen bigger transoms on 28' Bene's. Pretty well removes all temptation to put COTB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 2,831 #1370 Posted November 7, 2013 Nice paint job. I've seen bigger transoms on 28' Bene's. Pretty well removes all temptation to put COTB. I noticed they didn't have a BBQ. Of course, you'd need a big BBQ for a crew of 74. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobJ 19 #1371 Posted November 7, 2013 1) Do you suppose that big wheel forward was stock? 2) Why the boom crutch? 3) No lifelines (kidding on that one) 4) Are those big speakers on posts at the stern? (or pie warmers?) 5) Check the port bow - the spinnaker pole - wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 2,096 #1372 Posted November 7, 2013 Nice paint job. I've seen bigger transoms on 28' Bene's. Pretty well removes all temptation to put COTB. I noticed they didn't have a BBQ. Of course, you'd need a big BBQ for a crew of 74. Are you kidding? On a boat like that, they have a catering vessel following them. As for COTB, it'd be too far away if they put it all the way at the transom. It's CITM on a boat this size. FB- Doug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Presuming Ed 175 #1373 Posted November 7, 2013 Nothing says power like 200 tons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wick 8 #1374 Posted November 7, 2013 1) 5) Check the port bow - the spinnaker pole - wow. That would be the BBQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 428 #1375 Posted November 7, 2013 Wow! Almost 20 knots on a waterbike? The only ones I have ever seen in person were lucky to go 4. Looks like the technology has changed since I last checked almost 20 years ago. I can easily break four with my non foiling Wavebike...........(BTW, I think they only made four of these before the company folded....) Want. It could arranged, I have considered selling it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salazar 54 #1377 Posted November 7, 2013 Nice paint job. I've seen bigger transoms on 28' Bene's. Here's another view of the transom... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salazar 54 #1378 Posted November 7, 2013 1) 5) Check the port bow - the spinnaker pole - wow. That would be the BBQ Telephoto foreshortening. Still looks like a pretty big Spinnaker Pole... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 134 #1380 Posted November 8, 2013 Good thing those guys are riding the rail - I'm sure the VMG would plummet if they weren't legs-out hiking like that. Heck, given the wispy-displacement of that boat it'd probably just give up and flip over like an 18-foot skiff without their efforts. People racing sailboats these days have no idea where else to sit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mismoyled Jiblet. 1,458 #1381 Posted November 8, 2013 Any idea what the 3 small craft behind are? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hard aground 30 #1382 Posted November 9, 2013 Granted it's from a Da-Woody post, but hey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miloman 0 #1383 Posted November 9, 2013 Looks like the W-37, Racehorse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 4,402 #1384 Posted November 9, 2013 I don't want it because the cove isn't gold leaf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 2,831 #1385 Posted November 9, 2013 I don't want it because the cove isn't gold leaf. What, platinum leaf isn't good enough for you? Edit: WTF is with the lack of fenders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 601 #1386 Posted November 9, 2013 I think the fenders have some kind of non abrasive cover on them. That's not a boat. That's a piece of furniture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 341 #1387 Posted November 9, 2013 1) 5) Check the port bow - the spinnaker pole - wow. That would be the BBQ Telephoto foreshortening. Still looks like a pretty big Spinnaker Pole... I think there is a video of ranger gybing, takes 15 minutes to go through the motions. Certainly some serious well thought out sailing going on. I hate to see what happens when it all goes wrong on one of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plenipotentiary Tom 1,110 #1388 Posted November 9, 2013 If it takes 15 minutes to do it right it probably takes an hour or more to recover from doing it wrong. I'd like to see it in fast forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Ed 433 #1389 Posted November 9, 2013 Eleanora was at Cowes last year. She was alongside and there was a crewmember buffing the binnacle or something. There was this huge spindly wooden spinnaker pole stored up the fore mast, which looked a complete nightmare. So I had to ask "How do you gybe her?" and he said "Very carefully". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 4,402 #1390 Posted November 9, 2013 1) 5) Check the port bow - the spinnaker pole - wow. That would be the BBQ Telephoto foreshortening. Still looks like a pretty big Spinnaker Pole... I think there is a video of ranger gybing, takes 15 minutes to go through the motions. Certainly some serious well thought out sailing going on. I hate to see what happens when it all goes wrong on one of those. I believe it involves multiple deaths and the loss of personal fortunes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites