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Wraceboats 26 in USA, GP26 Class Racer Designed by JP Donovan Design

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It all started with Kevin Farrar's one off build which was well documented on SA sportboat anarchy, Now we will send Hull3 to USA later this week. Hull3 will be joined in east coast with hull5 and hull6, lifting keel versions later in the summer 2013.

 

Kevin's boat, Hull3 and Hull6 will sail in North East USA not much far away from each other.

Hull5 find a new home in Florida

 

 

For further info please conract usa@wraceboats.com

 

here is a sneak preview from inside

 

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The design is evolving. I like what I'm seeing. I'd like to see more detail about the cooler though - is it offset because the battery compartment is offset too?

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The design is evolving. I like what I'm seeing. I'd like to see more detail about the cooler though - is it offset because the battery compartment is offset too?

Yes. On starboard, beer compartment, port battery compartment.

reinforcement in the middle...

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Beautifully executed, windseekeryachts!

Is that companionway cut deeper than on previous boats? Change to the standard?

It is really a joy getting these kind of detail questions. The companionway is cut deeper, owner's choice. We have a composite piece that can be installed. see below before and after...

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So what exactly is down below on this boat. I see pictures of floorboards and stringers, and an empty bow tank, but nothing else. I'm trying to compare it in my mind to other boats of this size.

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It is a 26ft raceboat.

It appears to be damn near perfect.

What's missing that you would be expecting?

Nothing at all; just curious is all. I'm not expecting much or hoping for much and I certainly like what I see. However, the Seascape 27 has some accommodations, for instance and I like what I see there, too. A Melges 24 has a cuddy, but no accommodations whatsoever, and the few times I've been on one where really fun. Where does this boat fit? CurrentIy boat-less, I enjoy seeing and hearing what different designers have in mind and the markets they are attempting to reach with their drawings.

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The Donovan GP26 is a raceboat.

No compromises or concessions.

And it seems that one can expect that it will perform accordingly.

While there's room for a v-berth and head, if you're looking for furniture or accommodations, keep looking.

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Okay, there's nothing down below. That's all I wanted to know. I have plenty of boat(s) right now. I have no axes to grind, bones to pick, or threads to troll. I was simply looking at the website and wondered. Let's end this topic because someone seems to have his cranky pants on.

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There *is* supposedly a place for a portapotty down below. I can see being able to weekend this boat, although weekending with restaurants, not cooking. The only thing that would worry me for cat 3 compliance would be fixed water tanks and a sink. Other than that, it seems pretty easy to get to that level.

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Fins: Aren't you committed to Dart No.6?

Number 4. Much crusier and far less sport boat. I appreciate Ryley's comment. As I said, I was only curious to learn more about the Donovan GP26. It looks like a great boat. I like learning about boats. Boat talk is fun.

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There *is* supposedly a place for a portapotty down below. I can see being able to weekend this boat, although weekending with restaurants, not cooking. The only thing that would worry me for cat 3 compliance would be fixed water tanks and a sink. Other than that, it seems pretty easy to get to that level.

no worries, there is a designed portapotty place, but no boats have been equipped yet, owners choice.

there is room for water tanks under the bunks. sink and tab we can install easily.

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There *is* supposedly a place for a portapotty down below. I can see being able to weekend this boat, although weekending with restaurants, not cooking. The only thing that would worry me for cat 3 compliance would be fixed water tanks and a sink. Other than that, it seems pretty easy to get to that level.

no worries, there is a designed portapotty place, but no boats have been equipped yet, owners choice.

there is room for water tanks under the bunks. sink and tab we can install easily.

yeah, well, I race with girls. Mine's gonna need the pp ;)

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There *is* supposedly a place for a portapotty down below. I can see being able to weekend this boat, although weekending with restaurants, not cooking. The only thing that would worry me for cat 3 compliance would be fixed water tanks and a sink. Other than that, it seems pretty easy to get to that level.

no worries, there is a designed portapotty place, but no boats have been equipped yet, owners choice.

there is room for water tanks under the bunks. sink and tab we can install easily.

yeah, well, I race with girls. Mine's gonna need the pp ;)

what's wrong with this??

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I race with girls too. But, mine can use a "stout" bucket with ease and there is plenty of room down there for that!

my wife, more of a motorboat type lady, who does not race and does not let me race with girls...

So we just do it from the stern no need for a bucket at all... :D

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Okay, there's nothing down below. That's all I wanted to know. I have plenty of boat(s) right now. I have no axes to grind, bones to pick, or threads to troll. I was simply looking at the website and wondered. Let's end this topic because someone seems to have his cranky pants on.

Hi Todd,

 

I think the only real difference is that the GP 26 doesn't have any cushions in it in these photos.

 

When I designed the interior of the Mumm 30, we put a stove, sink and cooler moldings in the boat. These turned out to be the most useless items in the boat - impossible to use effectively on a smaller high performance yacht.

 

I'm afraid the nice photo of the Dart interior with the kids and cushions is quite a different reality with a grown-up sitting down below in 20 knots.

I doubt you'll want the cushions/giant sponges onboard for that.

 

The newest GP 26s have built-in storage bins in the topsides section of the keel frame; you'll want to keep your wallet and cell phone up out of the bilge. You can also fully fit the boat with cushions for weekending, and I suspect the boat may actually be more comfy that the Dart due to it's size.

 

Below are photos of the pretty Dart interior vs. the reality of a sportboat drying out after a days sail (Mumm 30).

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I race with girls too. But, mine can use a "stout" bucket with ease and there is plenty of room down there for that!

I'd still like a place to store the bucket ;)

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Thanks, Jim. What a great looking boat- looks like a blast to sail, too. For the Dart, I'm daysailing, and beer can bashing. Any trips to Kaneohoe will be on the shiny new trailer. I could happily live the rest of my life without going around Makapu'u again on anything less than the Pride of Norway.

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Is crane service in NY included in the shipping costs? If not then how do you get the boat out of the container?

Crane service is not included on the other end. Delivery to local marina can be included.

 

It gets out as it gets in (with a crane).

Was not a problem in Hong Kong and Norway. shouldn't be in NY.

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Is crane service in NY included in the shipping costs? If not then how do you get the boat out of the container?

my rigger would charge me about $200 to uncrate the boat, lift it onto the trailer or davits, and step the mast.

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Thanks, Jim. What a great looking boat- looks like a blast to sail, too. For the Dart, I'm daysailing, and beer can bashing. Any trips to Kaneohoe will be on the shiny new trailer. I could happily live the rest of my life without going around Makapu'u again on anything less than the Pride of Norway.

Good plan!

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Is crane service in NY included in the shipping costs? If not then how do you get the boat out of the container?

Boat without keel and rig is less than 1000 lbs - easy to slide out with a forklift. Two forklifts could do the container extraction, but a small crane is a good plan.

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Beautifully executed, windseekeryachts!

Is that companionway cut deeper than on previous boats? Change to the standard?

It is really a joy getting these kind of detail questions. The companionway is cut deeper, owner's choice. We have a composite piece that can be installed. see below before and after...

 

Please note:

 

 

3.08.5 If the companionway extends below the local sheerline and the boat has a cockpit opening aft to the sea the boat shall comply with one of the following (Mo 0,1,2,3,4):

 

a) the companionway sill shall not extend below the local sheerline. Or

 

b ) be in full compliance with all aspects of ISO 11812 to design category A (Mo 0,1,2,3,4)

 

If this modified boat is not compliant with 3.08.4 b ), it isn't legal for ORC Cat. 0,1,2,3 or 4 races.

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Beautifully executed, windseekeryachts!

Is that companionway cut deeper than on previous boats? Change to the standard?

It is really a joy getting these kind of detail questions. The companionway is cut deeper, owner's choice. We have a composite piece that can be installed. see below before and after...

 

Please note:

 

 

3.08.5 If the companionway extends below the local sheerline and the boat has a cockpit opening aft to the sea the boat shall comply with one of the following (Mo 0,1,2,3,4):

 

a) the companionway sill shall not extend below the local sheerline. Or

 

b ) be in full compliance with all aspects of ISO 11812 to design category A (Mo 0,1,2,3,4)

 

If this modified boat is not compliant with 3.08.4 b ), it isn't legal for ORC Cat. 0,1,2,3 or 4 races.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 11812 Cat A allows a fixed sill of .15 m and a mobile portion that brings it to .3 m (just under 1 foot). If that's a 4" suncor padeye, then it looks to me that with the composite piece in place, this still meets the requirements.

 

Otherwise, I don't think a Club Swan 42 meets the requirements either. Jim, thoughts?

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Purely for interest - I notice that there are no clutches on the cabin top, and some bit not all pictures have a swivel cam on the aft hip of the cabin. How are the halyards, Cunningham and kicker working?

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Purely for interest - I notice that there are no clutches on the cabin top, and some bit not all pictures have a swivel cam on the aft hip of the cabin. How are the halyards, Cunningham and kicker working?

Cabin top clutches and other halyard blocks will be installed by Jim Donovan in NY after setting up the mast.

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What's with the wood floor boards?

 

I would have expected something more modern and lighter.

 

Great boat. Looks lovely.

Very light indeed, wood veneer on foam cored composite

After some discussion with owners, we will lobby to make floorboards "optional".

Currently they are required by the GP 26 Class Rules (from IMS Accommodation Regs)

The floorboards are just one more part to maintain and actually reduce the useable headroom in the boat.

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What's with the wood floor boards?

 

I would have expected something more modern and lighter.

 

Great boat. Looks lovely.

Very light indeed, wood veneer on foam cored composite

Ahh. Tricksy boat pixies.

 

All the cool kids are doing it.

 

Jim, would you do anything to the floor to protect the inner hull laminate from the punishing crew? I'm assuming it is as thin as you dare right now.

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USA2603 On it way to New York...

Have a safe trip.

Where are these built?

 

What do they cost?

 

I'm not a real buyer (yet) but I might downsize for the kids eventually.

Built in Istanbul/Turkey.

Please see web page www.wraceboats.com for more info.

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What's with the wood floor boards?

 

I would have expected something more modern and lighter.

 

Great boat. Looks lovely.

Very light indeed, wood veneer on foam cored composite

Ahh. Tricksy boat pixies.

 

All the cool kids are doing it.

 

Jim, would you do anything to the floor to protect the inner hull laminate from the punishing crew? I'm assuming it is as thin as you dare right now.

The laminate on the floor where it is stepped is quite thick actually because of the keel. We did not have floorboards on Hull1 and will not have on Hull4 now.

No need for extra protection.

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Purely for interest - I notice that there are no clutches on the cabin top, and some bit not all pictures have a swivel cam on the aft hip of the cabin. How are the halyards, Cunningham and kicker working?

Cabin top clutches and other halyard blocks will be installed by Jim Donovan in NY after setting up the mast.

Is the mast for #3 a Pauger or a Donovan?

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Purely for interest - I notice that there are no clutches on the cabin top, and some bit not all pictures have a swivel cam on the aft hip of the cabin. How are the halyards, Cunningham and kicker working?

Cabin top clutches and other halyard blocks will be installed by Jim Donovan in NY after setting up the mast.

Is the mast for #3 a Pauger or a Donovan?

Ryley, what is a Donovan Mast? We do not have it on the price list?

 

:D Kidding. Jim has finished the tooling for the Boom, mast tooling is about to be finished, and we will have it on the price list under options list soon.

 

Pauger Mast on #3 is a big improvement over Hull1 and 2 mast after feedback from sailing #1 for a season. and it is a very good choice.

 

But JPD mast will have the best section shape under GP26 rule. And it will be offered at a premium.

#5 and #6 will have JPD mast build by Jim Donovan.

 

On #3, cabin top installment will be finished by Jim. Cabin top equipment has been revised and since the mast arrived late from the manufacturer, we did not have time to put up the mast in the yard to finish the installment.

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Thanks, Jim. What a great looking boat- looks like a blast to sail, too. For the Dart, I'm daysailing, and beer can bashing. Any trips to Kaneohoe will be on the shiny new trailer. I could happily live the rest of my life without going around Makapu'u again on anything less than the Pride of Norway.

Good plan!

Jim, did you ever get a boat into southern California? I know someone that may be looking for something along this line.

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Update from production...

We have deck 5 out of the mold, both sides faired.

Deck 6 in the mold, fairing continues inside.

 

Deck Mold ready for lamination, fibers cut, starting in a few days

 

And Hull3 arriving in USA in less than a week.

 

Launching hull4, demo boat this week...

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2603 landed in New York

Jim will be in NY this weekend setting her up. Those of you interested please contact him thru www.jpdonovandesign.com

 

 

NY is a big place..., do you mean New York City?

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2603 landed in New York

Jim will be in NY this weekend setting her up. Those of you interested please contact him thru www.jpdonovandesign.com

 

 

NY is a big place..., do you mean New York City?

Huntington, NY ; Long Island

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Just write a check and I am sure they can have it dropped off in your driveway. Oh the check writing part is the starting gun................................... :rolleyes:

Anything come up to the midwest? looks like a boat I'd fall in love with.

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This is sort of very short notice but, test sailing Hull#0, Kevin Farrar's home built boat of the same design is available in Connecticut Monday Nov 4th.

Please contact Jim Donovan for making arrangements.

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OK. It took a while to dig this tread out of the hole in sailing anarchy.

Our tread is very active in sportboat anarchy http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=112384

 

Here is an update for those anaware of the Sportboat Anarchy Tread.

 

We have now lifting keel hulls 5 and 6 sailing in the East Coast.

Both are Launched late in the summer,

Hull5, Picaron had some good results recently in PHRF agians the fleet in Miami area.

Hull6 did not have much time to sail before the winter kicked in. So we are expecitng to hear more come spring time.

Hull4 going to West Coast beginning of the New Year.

 

And the web page has recently been updated www.wraceboats.com

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Where is #4 headed? The West Coast is at least 1,000 miles from one end to the other.

I heard a certain website owner is getting it.

Trevor B, no4 is headed to San Diego Area. Perhaps a sail can be arranged thru Jim if you are nearby.

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Doesn't look like you want to be sitting on the head when they retract the bowsprit !

 

Is the boat bound for a US customer ? Curious decision to go with the inboard diesel - but darn handy in a lot of places. Can't imagine the 26'er needs much grunt - that has to be the smallest powerplant Yanmar (or whoever) makes - I wonder what the whole installation weighed in at with panel, tanks, exhaust & plumbing.

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Doesn't look like you want to be sitting on the head when they retract the bowsprit !

 

Maybe that's why the Sporties call them "prods" instead of sprits??!!? :lol:

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I think the only real difference is that the GP 26 doesn't have any cushions in it in these photos.

 

When I designed the interior of the Mumm 30, we put a stove, sink and cooler moldings in the boat. These turned out to be the most useless items in the boat - impossible to use effectively on a smaller high performance yacht.

 

I'm afraid the nice photo of the Dart interior with the kids and cushions is quite a different reality with a grown-up sitting down below in 20 knots.

I doubt you'll want the cushions/giant sponges onboard for that.

 

The newest GP 26s have built-in storage bins in the topsides section of the keel frame; you'll want to keep your wallet and cell phone up out of the bilge. You can also fully fit the boat with cushions for weekending, and I suspect the boat may actually be more comfy that the Dart due to it's size.

 

Below are photos of the pretty Dart interior vs. the reality of a sportboat drying out after a days sail (Mumm 30).

 

 

and some from outside

 

This boat looks like A Chicago Summer Sleigh Ride.

 

Thanks guys, but I have to ask whit Scot sailing your GP26 and the Shaw ### in SD for a while and not seeming to get traction in the sport boat arena, where do you see a fleet building.

I know many that are tired of PHRF and J24's in So Cal.

 

Do you have people talking about Class Building?

 

 

Next, if you have anyone in So Cal buying one or Windseekeryachts bringing one to So Cal, I'd love to see how I can fit in one.

I do have my own boat but it is under canvased and rated way wrong by phrf. Yes I am a performance oriented guy, I just don't have use of my legs..

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Dawg, I don't want to derail this thread, but both Scott's boat and the older Dees GP-26 are both for sale in San Diego. You should be able to get aboard both of those.. There's also a FT 7.5 for sale in town.

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Dawg, I don't want to derail this thread, but both Scott's boat and the older Dees GP-26 are both for sale in San Diego. You should be able to get aboard both of those.. There's also a FT 7.5 for sale in town.

 

I need to sail one and I am not impressed with the way Scot modified the boat.

Class racing is the future and if the builders and importer do not have a clue about that then the boat will be short lived.

 

If my 40 years (including 11 yrs making sails and numerous years of class and disabled) of sailing have taught me anything, it is what is the Builder thinking?

Just look at what the builders of the 2.4mR, Skud 18 and the Sonar have brought to Paralympic Sailing.........................Eliminated. That is 3 builders who have no clue what there target is.

 

So who is the target of Wrace Boats????????????????????

A bunch of nobodies who will buy a few boats and then bail because there is no continuity, which the builder has shown with too many configurations?

I'm just asking questions and showing interest.

 

I do like the boat. But which one will and which configuration reign supreme? The best way to kill a class is to not have a class. Rating systems in America SUCK when it comes to sport boats.

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Dawg, I don't want to derail this thread, but both Scott's boat and the older Dees GP-26 are both for sale in San Diego. You should be able to get aboard both of those.. There's also a FT 7.5 for sale in town.

I need to sail one and I am not impressed with the way Scot modified the boat.

Class racing is the future and if the builders and importer do not have a clue about that then the boat will be short lived.

 

If my 40 years (including 11 yrs making sails and numerous years of class and disabled) of sailing have taught me anything, it is what is the Builder thinking?

Just look at what the builders of the 2.4mR, Skud 18 and the Sonar have brought to Paralympic Sailing.........................Eliminated. That is 3 builders who have no clue what there target is.

 

So who is the target of Wrace Boats????????????????????

A bunch of nobodies who will buy a few boats and then bail because there is no continuity, which the builder has shown with too many configurations?

I'm just asking questions and showing interest.

 

I do like the boat. But which one will and which configuration reign supreme? The best way to kill a class is to not have a class. Rating systems in America SUCK when it comes to sport boats.

Hi Dawg,

I will reply more in pm. But in short, we see fleet is building up in east coast. Annapolis will have 3 boats that is quite likely to increase to 4 with us moving SD boat there in next few days.

+2 in connecticut

+1 in Ny

+1 in Miami

We have owners interested in class racing. all the boats except no8 complies with GP26 class rules. No8 is going to Detroit for summer and miami for winter sailing.

We are in contact with Jim to have JP Donovan-Wraceboats26 class. I think this will happen in 2016

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