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20 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

OK, so this boat in the picture is not the one that's for sale in the ad.... huh?

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/boa/d/sandy-level-tornado-sailboat/7083607619.html

" PICTURE IS NOT OF THE BOAT FOR SALE (I believe mine is bigger and definitely better condition. Is just for reference for a similar style.) I am out of state but will be able to post pics and meet for any inquiries 3/4-3/6. I am unsure of length so guessed. I believe it is between 20-30ft. "

Which is good, because I definitely don't want to buy the boat in this picture

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Oh and BTW what the heck kind of boat is that anyway?

FB- Doug

O'Day Daysailer, isn't it?

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Very distinctive transition from fine bow to flat sections.

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1 hour ago, Diarmuid said:

O'Day Daysailer, isn't it?

 

No way.

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4 hours ago, Diarmuid said:

O'Day Daysailer, isn't it?

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Nope - deck isn't even similar.

Also, look at the foredeck/bow - totally different.

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Kim needs that for his yard.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Kim needs that for his yard.

My thought exactly. Paging @kimbottlesto the white courtesy phone please.

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15 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Kim needs that for his yard.

Funny you say that... When I was in grad school one of my oceanography profs had a huge fisherman anchor salvaged from the old R/V Eastward in his front yard, including a 6' diameter hawser that ran from the anchor up to a bight around his chimney.  Hilarious and I wish I had a picture.

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On 2/29/2020 at 5:39 PM, See Level said:

Not exactly mockworthy but...

Anyone need a storm anchor?

 

 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bpo/d/gig-harbor-boat-anchor-two-tons-7ft/7080346396.html

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That's the problem with trees; they're always trying to run off somewhere.

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On 2/29/2020 at 6:41 PM, Ishmael said:

My thought exactly. Paging @kimbottlesto the white courtesy phone please.

Kim is already looking at it.

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Free boat, from another state, acquire at an estate sale.  What could go wrong...

fwiw. I did consider it, but after talking with the government types in Virginia, and Delaware, the hoops to jump through aren’t worth it...

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/boa/d/sterling-catalina-22-free/7084762403.html

Boat floats. Bought at estate sale. Needs new rigging and sails. No title for boat or trailer. (No leins). If you can haul it it’s yours

 

 

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On 2/24/2020 at 3:15 PM, Israel Hands said:

Here's an oddity. A 1986 Amel Mango being auctioned on ebay. With 5 days left it's at $30K (reserve not met).  Owner claims new baby interrupted world cruise plans, and refit is 85% complete. ;)  Still, if I were anywhere near Lewes, DE I'd be tempted to check it out.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Amel-Mango/333520294416?hash=item4da75bd210:g:NYkAAOSwFFVeTWeF

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Original auction was ended at 42k. It was relisted Now sits a 50k

reserve not met.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Amel-Mango/333532483215?vxp=mtr&item=333532483215&pageci=e8f41ab7-af61-40ba-b406-d6216ee78e95&redirect=mobile

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13 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

Original auction was ended at 42k. It was relisted Now sits a 50k 

I think I can predict the future on this one.... six months from now the owner will WISH they could get 42k for it.  

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Just now, Bugsy said:

I think I can predict the future on this one.... six months from now the owner will WISH they could get 42k for it.  

Asking prices on yatch world are going on 6 figures,  so I guess this person thinks that since the asking prices are so high,  there is no reason he should settle for mid 5 figures...  Lewes De isn't exactly the hot bed of big boat sailing though...also not really sure that Ebay is the best spot for a boat like this either.

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13 hours ago, Marcjsmith said:

You point out something that I find strange.  The auction ended and the owner turned around and re-listed it and immediately the bidding rose up 18.7% higher than the prior final bidding. A bunch of people were watching, so it's not like the whole auction had gone unnoticed. So how does the bidding price go up almost 20% immediately after re-listing? 

I have just requested the referenced additional photos and survey again...I did this last time around but they were not sent.

This boat WAS listed on yachtworld for over 100K before being listed on ebay.  I'm guessing that the boat has become a monthly money pit (and his life priorities have changed), so now the owner is truly ready to get rid of it. But who knows what his "reserve price" level is...it might be 100K.  Curious about the true history on this boat...is it a resurrected wreck, or just a broken dream?

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32 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:

You point out something that I find strange.  The auction ended and the owner turned around and re-listed it and immediately the bidding rose up 18.7% higher than the prior final bidding. A bunch of people were watching, so it's not like the whole auction had gone unnoticed. So how does the bidding price go up almost 20% immediately after re-listing? 

...is it a resurrected wreck, or just a broken dream?

Most likely he took advantage of the ebays policy to pull the ad, pay the fee before the reserve was met and cancel the  ad.  Then relist and have a few friends shill bid on it to boost the price.    If it doesn't make reserve, wash rinse repeat.

Looking at the amount of work done to it,  it looks like it should garner a higher price,  but like real estate, location  location location.  You don't drop the boat off in lewes  and expect to get full value, I at least I wouldn't.  I'd go to a place like Lewes to find a a steal of a deal. Or a cheap place to put the boat on the hard while I work on it.

this looks like it could be the boat, hard dodger, aft cabin, shadow looks like two sticks are up  Google earth has the image date as 6/18

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milford,+DE+19963,+USA/@38.7800372,-75.1411608,42m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b897ff54b7de69:0x1b0f48a93aa57775!8m2!3d38.9340074!4d-75.3878525?hl=en

 

 

if you look at the original big history, it took 68 bids to get to 42K,  but only 12 to get to 50 on the new auction.  with one person making a 30K bid on the new auction.  smells funny...

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25 minutes ago, Marcjsmith said:

with one person making a 30K bid on the new auction.  smells funny...

Yes, like a shill bid.  You can find the old ad on yachtworld, and also a video ad on YT with just a couple of minutes of googling.  It looks like his description of what he did with the boat is accurate:  Bought it a few years ago in Grenada, brought it home and sailed it while he worked on it  (sailed it in a couple of Cape to Cape races). S/V Hobo Tiempo.

I'm just wondering if the boat was super run-down or damaged when he bought it. Mentions rot around windows...

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Any time you feel hard done by over your moorage rates, consider this.

Moorage at Quayside marina - $900 (vancouver bc)

1
length overall (LOA): 30

propulsion type: sail

Boat slip available for long-term lease at Quayside Marina.

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/vancouver-moorage-at-quayside-marina/7087942183.html

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1 hour ago, lamorak said:

Here's a beauty - https://greenville.craigslist.org/boa/d/mauldin-custom-built-kayak-sailboat/7066081459.html

"It's super easy.  I had never sailed before building this project"

Do we give this gentleman a “10” for ingenuity or a “1” for chicanery?

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On 3/5/2020 at 7:07 PM, Santana20AE said:

Do we give this gentleman a “10” for ingenuity or a “1” for chicanery?

that guy has been watching too many Watertribe YouTube videos and made his own on the cheap

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On 3/5/2020 at 4:30 PM, toddster said:

Now that... is a very stable genius for ya.  

Plastic pipe straps are super handy!

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3 hours ago, Pipe Dream said:

Something from our erstwhile friend of the Comox mud flats....

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2019-Custom-STEEL-YACHT/SSE-AD-6572563 

https://tinyurl.com/swain26

 

 

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Ah yes...the Wizard of the Mud Flats strikes again!

 

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4 hours ago, Pipe Dream said:

Something from our erstwhile friend of the Comox mud flats....

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2019-Custom-STEEL-YACHT/SSE-AD-6572563 

https://tinyurl.com/swain26

 

 

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The application seems to have deviated somewhat from what the designer has drawn.  

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So BS is still finding suckers.

Think that bow roller will be able to handle the strain of a 26'?

Those protractor chainplates are an interesting touch.

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That companionway is dead on center.

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Too bad that good material and seemingly adequate labor went into an unworthy pit.

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That's what I was thinking - seems to have been pretty skillfully built.

Are those strut things going to stay do you suppose?

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

That's what I was thinking - seems to have been pretty skillfully built.

Are those strut things going to stay do you suppose?

I was mildly amused to see that none of the struts go to anything more than hull skin. Nice point loading, if they are going to stay.

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21 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

That's what I was thinking - seems to have been pretty skillfully built.

Are those strut things going to stay do you suppose?

I was mildly amused to see that none of the struts go to anything more than hull skin. Nice point loading, if they are going to stay.

I bet that is a little structural detail that Brent did not design, looks like they may have been put in to hold the chine in place while the sides were bent upwards into shape.

But I'm sure the answer is, "Steel B strong!!" and it probably is strong enough to take that point load but those struts are going to be PITA to build a cabin around.

I'd be more worried about the rust dribbling out the back of the cockpit, down the transom.

FB- Doug

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That's what I was thinking - seems to have been pretty skillfully built.

Are those strut things going to stay do you suppose?

There's something not right about that hull shape, even for a Swain boat. And I'm not talking about the excrescence on the top.

Shame to see perfectly good material end up like that but if the owner thinks they'll get anything at all for that - they're dreaming.

Of course it is in Queensland so who knows - the owner only needs to find *one* sucker...

FKT

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Doesn't even look 85% done!

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4 hours ago, sculpin said:

Doesn't even look 85% done!

-25% IMO.

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8 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:
13 hours ago, sculpin said:

Doesn't even look 85% done!

-25% IMO.

Oh come on, the hull and the deck are finished... almost.

Isn't that a boat? What d'you want, an egg in your beer?

FB- Doug

 

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17 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That's what I was thinking - seems to have been pretty skillfully built.

Are those strut things going to stay do you suppose?

The fact that they are not painted suggests they are temporary.

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9 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh come on, the hull and the deck are finished... almost.

Isn't that a boat? What d'you want, an egg in your beer?

FB- Doug

 

What about the time to get the plasma cutter out, disassemble it and cart it off to the metal recyclers?

I wouldn't take that for free even if delivery to my place was included.

FKT

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25 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

What about the time to get the plasma cutter out, disassemble it and cart it off to the metal recyclers?

I wouldn't take that for free even if delivery to my place was included.

FKT

Me neither, for many reasons.

At least steel is biodegradable

FB- Doug

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12 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh come on, the hull and the deck are finished... almost.

Isn't that a boat? What d'you want, an egg in your beer?

FB- Doug

 

Hah! Haven't heard that expression in a dog's age.

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On 3/5/2020 at 2:48 PM, SloopJonB said:

Any time you feel hard done by over your moorage rates, consider this.

Moorage at Quayside marina - $900 (vancouver bc)

1
length overall (LOA): 30

propulsion type: sail

Boat slip available for long-term lease at Quayside Marina.

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/vancouver-moorage-at-quayside-marina/7087942183.html

 

That place is not a marina in the commonly understood sense. The berths are strata-title, and were sold for something over a million bucks. Back when it was built, a friend tried to convince me we should buy one as an investment. Glad I declined. Sounds like one investor is trying to meet their mortgage payments. 

Does anybody know: Is this a common way to finance and build a marina in other parts of the world?

There are some pretty expensive boats sitting there, and I mean sitting. One of them is Hotei, which gets passed around among Vancouver billionaires like a joint at a frosh party.

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Now there's a bog brush that would clean Mr. Winter's whole boat in seconds.

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Yeah.  But... how does it work as the companionway narrows at the bottom? :huh:

 

 

 

I think I need a tee-shirt that says, "Almost cool in a very weird and impractical way."

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41 minutes ago, andykane said:

I've also never seen a wooden roll top desk/companionway. That's almost cool in a very weird an impractical way.

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Wonder where it goes when the real sliders go in?

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Aside from the obvious mockability, those things define the word tub.

A freakin' San Juan 24 owes them a minute a mile. Not one of Gardens more noteworthy designs.

The motorsailer version makes some sense and is a lot better looking.

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Well that hull started out as the Chaser 29 before Binliner bought the molds so maybe...

Fast boats - classic Peteron Ganbare shape in 1/2 Tonner size.

Keeriste - he drew that when he was just the new kid taking over the IOR and he's already gone.

Has it really been that long?

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5 hours ago, toddster said:

I guess I'll mock the hatchboards, but this might be a pretty decent practically free project boat - depending on what horrors lie behind the styrofoam...

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/boa/d/warren-sailboat/7092862331.html

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Oh, and I'm sure there's something to be made of the name, but I'm dry.  Refugee from the past?

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I think time won.

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That boat hasn't been fast enough to keep up with time in a long time.

Peterson Chaser 33

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4 hours ago, See Level said:

Peterson Chaser 33

Binliner Buccaneer 29

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Excellent. I would have had no idea.

From Sailboat Data.  (Window pattern does look more like the BInliner version)

CHASER 29:  The Doug Peterson 1/2 Ton prototype "North Star" was winner of the 1974 Half Ton Worlds, in La Rochelle France. The Chaser 29 production model "Foxy Lady" won the Worlds the following year in Chicago IL. Bayliner bought the tooling at auction, where, with a different deck and coachroof, it became the BUCCANEER 295. These were unauthorized copies, never approved by the designer, Doug Peterson.
Disp. above is from SEAHORSE Mag, 1976 and believed to be more accurate than the the original displacement listed of 7200 lbs.
Thank you to Roy Cundiff and Paul Bishop for their input, corrections and additional information.
Photo ..... credit Dick Foat.

BUCCANEER 295:  Origins with the CHASER 29, a Doug Peterson designed production IOR 1/2 ton racer, but with an entirely different deck and coach roof. Also offered as the BUCCANEER 300 with a fancier interior. 
Later, the company built a similar model called the US 29. When Bayliner ended it's production of sailboats, the molds were passed on to Pearson Yachts where it appeared for a time as the TRITON 30.
Thanks to former Bayliner employee Craig Montague for providing information on this yacht.

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40 minutes ago, Vaeredil said:

Mockable or cool?

 

 

Very cool...fucking cold actually. Needs a dodger. Reminds me of Tryst, a B.C. trimaran  that (if I remember the story) was used for a family circumnavgation but lost a hull when they had almost made it home. I seem to recall pictures of the remaining two hull in the back garden in Victoria or somewhere. They had better get right on those deck repairs on this one...

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Is that a colostomy bag hanging there?

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35 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Is that a colostomy bag hanging there?

Sun shower.   Hey - that's a helluva lot more boat than the IC waterway plying mastless cat. 

Yep, just imagine screwing a piece of schmutzed-up plywood to the inside of that deck and saying "good to go."

I've always liked the Horstman tris. Yeah they're not speedsters but I like the combination of buck-rogers futuristic and decent interior. Not sure what the point is of hooking up a sun shower to a porta-potty.... not sure I want to know

FB- Doug

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What's the wooden box?

A Victorian water closet setup?

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Not sure what the point is of hooking up a sun shower to a porta-potty.... not sure I want to know

FB- Doug

bidet???  or just a water source to wash the skidmarks off the bowl...

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6 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Yep, just imagine screwing a piece of schmutzed-up plywood to the inside of that deck and saying "good to go."

I've always liked the Horstman tris. Yeah they're not speedsters but I like the combination of buck-rogers futuristic and decent interior. Not sure what the point is of hooking up a sun shower to a porta-potty.... not sure I want to know

FB- Doug

Jesus. I thought you were smarter than that.

THERE IS NO MORE TOILET PAPER!!!!

It is a rinse/bidet substitute.  More sanitary too.  

And I thought you got out some.

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On 3/14/2020 at 11:23 PM, toddster said:

Excellent. I would have had no idea.

From Sailboat Data.  (Window pattern does look more like the BInliner version)

CHASER 29:  The Doug Peterson 1/2 Ton prototype "North Star" was winner of the 1974 Half Ton Worlds, in La Rochelle France. The Chaser 29 production model "Foxy Lady" won the Worlds the following year in Chicago IL. Bayliner bought the tooling at auction, where, with a different deck and coachroof, it became the BUCCANEER 295. These were unauthorized copies, never approved by the designer, Doug Peterson.
Disp. above is from SEAHORSE Mag, 1976 and believed to be more accurate than the the original displacement listed of 7200 lbs.
Thank you to Roy Cundiff and Paul Bishop for their input, corrections and additional information.
Photo ..... credit Dick Foat.

BUCCANEER 295:  Origins with the CHASER 29, a Doug Peterson designed production IOR 1/2 ton racer, but with an entirely different deck and coach roof. Also offered as the BUCCANEER 300 with a fancier interior. 
Later, the company built a similar model called the US 29. When Bayliner ended it's production of sailboats, the molds were passed on to Pearson Yachts where it appeared for a time as the TRITON 30.
Thanks to former Bayliner employee Craig Montague for providing information on this yacht.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/chaser-29

I raced on a 29 on a very successful one in our area called "Hortense" VARC boat of the year twice on two different owners. But to be fair the crew was pretty much the same. How do you make a Hore tense? Don't pay her!

There was a Chaser 33 too: https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/chaser-33 But there were more of the Buccaneer 335/Binliners around and a bunch of them were at the 3/4 ton World's in Victoria. That was when I first "Poncho" and have been friends since. We were there with our 34 aluminum Mull design as that design had won the worlds 2 more times. Things changed quite a bit with the advent of boats like the first Laurie Davidson "Pendragon" and Bill Buchan's Chance daggerboard design "Sachem". Those boats won the world's going away. After that IOR had to change into something else.    

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On 3/10/2020 at 12:33 PM, Diarmuid said:

When 'hard chine' becomes 'receding chin'.

 

On 3/10/2020 at 12:59 AM, Pipe Dream said:

Something from our erstwhile friend of the Comox mud flats....

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2019-Custom-STEEL-YACHT/SSE-AD-6572563 

https://tinyurl.com/swain26

 

 

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THE HORROR!

 

 

 

 

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On 3/14/2020 at 7:56 PM, monsoon said:

I think time won.

 

On 3/14/2020 at 2:49 PM, toddster said:

I guess I'll mock the hatchboards, but this might be a pretty decent practically free project boat - depending on what horrors lie behind the styrofoam...

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/boa/d/warren-sailboat/7092862331.html

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Oh, and I'm sure there's something to be made of the name, but I'm dry.  Refugee from the past?

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In its time when pinched sterns and broad beams and raked bows were all the norm (IOR norm that is), I thought there was something special about the hull shapes of the US branded boats.  Now I know

Wondering if Doug Peterson ever got a penny from the use of his designs?

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I would guess only from the few boats that Chaser built.

Second owners of tooling were notorious for not paying royalties.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I would guess only from the few boats that Chaser built.

Second owners of tooling were notorious for not paying royalties.

Sad

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Binliner really blew the looks of that boat with that style of port lights.

I've seen a few that had two rectangular ports aft and it looked so much better.

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I don't see the problem - it's only been baking in the Mexican sun for an unknown number of years.

And it says right in the ad that it will only take a weeks work before launching.

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3 hours ago, bmiller said:

This ticks off a few boxes.

50 year old teak deck, check

Needs reassembly, check

Seized Yanmar, check

Located in Mexico, check

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/d/imperial-beach-cheoy-lee-offshore-27/7095160134.html

The only value is in the trailer

 

I see no value in it anywhere, except that maybe somebody could make some nice small cabinets out of that teak.

The writer of this ad included so many little jollies, "the cabin needs some cosmetic improvements too" ... I bet so.

Best thing about this boat... it's not ferrocement!

FB- Doug

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4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

^^^^^ Your ad Israel?   ;-)   I don't think that's teribly mockable - looks like a decent little boat that needs a little attention

5 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

In Rimas range?

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/d/new-bern-san-juan-24-sailboat-and/7096353912.html

San Juan 24 sailboat and trailer - $1500 (New Bern, NC)

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Although duty-bound to mock this boat, I think it's actually not a bad deal. I would double check if it comes with that trailer though.

These boats were built here, it's somewhat of a local classic although there are none in the fleet right now.

Disclaimer... my own boat (well one of 'em) is just out of a couple of the pictures of this one.

FB- Doug

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5 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

In Rimas range?

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/d/new-bern-san-juan-24-sailboat-and/7096353912.html

San Juan 24 sailboat and trailer - $1500 (New Bern, NC)

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I think mention of Rimas, the inexpensive SJ-24 connection, was Iz's intention... no real mockery

This boat may fall in for some gentle mockery such as being on the wrong coast, and a bit overpriced (OTOH it has won a pretty good number of local events)

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/d/new-bern-santa-cruz-27-sailboat-trailer/7096343043.html

is being sold by the same gentleman, and one of my boats -is- in a couple of the pics. I raced on this boat, and against this boat, will be glad if it stays in the local fleet

FB- Doug

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20 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I think mention of Rimas, the inexpensive SJ-24 connection, was Iz's intention... no real mockery

This boat may fall in for some gentle mockery such as being on the wrong coast, and a bit overpriced (OTOH it has won a pretty good number of local events)

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/d/new-bern-santa-cruz-27-sailboat-trailer/7096343043.html

is being sold by the same gentleman, and one of my boats -is- in a couple of the pics. I raced on this boat, and against this boat, will be glad if it stays in the local fleet

FB- Doug

Yes Steam, it was just the tie to Rimas. The only thing to mock is maybe the crap underneath her.  I saw the Santa Cruz in the ad too - sweet looking.

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A 3'fer, run away as fast and as far as you can!  A friend who I was sailmaking w/ bought SJ24 stripped out from the Clark's, we totally tricked it out, was gray and called Running Dog (or the dog that runs), later raced as Grauer Gueist, it was the fastest boat in the fleet for years, possibly was a little lighter than the standard production boats but of course that was when if I could remember I wasn't there.

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40 years ago a local - John Samson, of ferro boat fame - had a brokerage that advertised in Pacific Yachting.

Each issue he ran a page of cruising boats and a crazy editorial, basically "buy one of these boats so you can sail away and survive the coming social collapse"

Really wacky, almost survivalist stuff but entertaining if you laughed.

Was he actually right, just too far ahead of his time? :D

His time was up a few years ago.

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