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On 3/20/2020 at 8:09 PM, Steam Flyer said:

I think mention of Rimas, the inexpensive SJ-24 connection, was Iz's intention... no real mockery

This boat may fall in for some gentle mockery such as being on the wrong coast, and a bit overpriced (OTOH it has won a pretty good number of local events)

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/d/new-bern-santa-cruz-27-sailboat-trailer/7096343043.html

is being sold by the same gentleman, and one of my boats -is- in a couple of the pics. I raced on this boat, and against this boat, will be glad if it stays in the local fleet

FB- Doug

I am proud to say this boat will be staying in eastern NC.  Bought by a friend and occasional crew.  Knowing him it will see a lot of miles this summer.  If you see it, go close.  He always has incredible talent aboard.

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2 hours ago, GMiller said:
On 3/20/2020 at 8:09 PM, Steam Flyer said:

I am proud to say this boat will be staying in eastern NC.  Bought by a friend and occasional crew.  Knowing him it will see a lot of miles this summer.  If you see it, go close.  He always has incredible talent aboard.

 

Has racing picked back up on the Pamlico? That's good news. I hope your friend/former crew has a great relationship with SuperBueno!

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Not the SC, the SJ.  Racing is done for the foreseeable future.  Just pulled the plug on our spring series.  Lots of solo sailors out there right now!

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On 3/21/2020 at 7:28 PM, Fah Kiew Tu said:

 

Building a ferro boat is kind of like building a mud brick home, except that after the huge amount of time and effort involved, a mud brick home is actually functional, useful and long-lived.

FKT

Or like an Earthship. I have known several people who built their homes of rammed earth in car tires. Two actually completed the effort, tho it nearly broke them. Once built, they are ... Okay. Dark, awkwardly laid-out, and tricky to drywall, but they function as living quarters.

One trueism about tire houses or mud brick or cob or strawbale: absolute bitch to resell. Part of that is financing, inspection, insurance. Most of it is the miniscule target market. Anyone who wants to live in a house made of tires wants to ram their own. Kind of goes with the personality profile.

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7 hours ago, GMiller said:

Not the SC, the SJ.  Racing is done for the foreseeable future.  Just pulled the plug on our spring series.  Lots of solo sailors out there right now!

Racing sailors should adapt well to social distancing as we have all these rules and formalism about not getting to close to each other. As with the Racing Rules, we now need to establish who has "rights" in the grocery store aisles, for example.

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What’s all this complaining about ferro cement boats?

When one gets tired of sailing her..They make great Flower Beds for the Misses.  

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3 hours ago, Foiling Optimist said:

Racing sailors should adapt well to social distancing as we have all these rules and formalism about not getting to close to each other. As with the Racing Rules, we now need to establish who has "rights" in the grocery store aisles, for example.

Yelling "Starboard!" as you charge down the aisle with your cart is sure to make you friends.

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41 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Yelling "Starboard!" as you charge down the aisle with your cart is sure to make you friends.

Make certain you have established overlap within three cart lengths of the bumswipe. (RRS 18.b)

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20 minutes ago, Diarmuid said:

Make certain you have established overlap within three cart lengths of the bumswipe. (RRS 18.b)

Except if you are on port

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On 3/21/2020 at 9:55 PM, Bull City said:

Here, without comment, are the three reviews of the aforementioned book.

#1:

I bought this book used about 5 years ago and it is still one of the few I open at least 4 or 5 times a week (it's either in the bathroom or by the living room chair). Samson is, I think, the person who launched the ferrocement sailboat phase which lasted through the 60s and 70s mostly on the west coast and Austraila. He built many boats using two methods which he details in this book with lots of good pictures and very clear, organized explanations of the process.

Many young enthusiastic idealistic people tried building these boats and most came up short, resulting in the bad reputation of ferrocement sailboats, in my opinion. I probably won't build one but my guess is it would be more challenging than building a house. If I did I would do the upside down method he describes toward the end. If you are considering a ferrocement boat or even just working with ferrocement buy this book. You will read it and then go back to it.

#2:

Anyone can build a luxury water craft with ferrocement, steel reinforcement bar, and chicken wire mesh. If you are a low budget do it yourselfer like me, you will love this book. It is thorough teaching not only how to use ferrocement and other construction materials, but teaches marine architecture and how to "loft" plans onto the floor of your work space ensuring a good looking and durable water craft. Get a copy to read when winter comes and cabin fever sets in. It is a book of dreams for the heart of any sailor.

#3:

This book is worth its weight in gold! It was so encouraging to read why a ferro-cement boat is so safe! I'm so glad we have one! And so glad I made the leap and bought this book!

This sounds like a story of 3 little sailing pigs-

 

The first built his of steel. It floated but it looked like shit and caused tetanus. 

The second little pig built his boat of cement.  It was heavy and slow. 

The 3rd little pig built his boat of plastic. It was lighter than the other 2, was attractive and easy to maintain. 

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From ad: "crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential"

Wow, to think that just one boat can do all of that - amazing...

Looks like it is was an S2 of some sort.

Full text from ad:

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26ft sailboat with autopilot  $1,500 Listed 4 days ago in   Conway, SC"   ...and... "Condition: Used - Fair"

"26ft sail boat has autopilot a toilet and a kitchen lounge area motor will need work has all the sails but the spreader needs work be good cheap weekend get away crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential is located near bass pro 1500 obo "

In particular, I dig how the off-center alignment of the bow pulpit lines up with the huge hull scars. I am certain that will make it go fast, and work well also  when "crack shackin'"...

Link: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/143502317036746/

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11 minutes ago, CapnK said:

From ad: "crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential"

Wow, to think that just one boat can do all of that - amazing...

Looks like it is was an S2 of some sort.

Full text from ad:

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26ft sailboat with autopilot  $1,500 Listed 4 days ago in   Conway, SC"   ...and... "Condition: Used - Fair"

"26ft sail boat has autopilot a toilet and a kitchen lounge area motor will need work has all the sails but the spreader needs work be good cheap weekend get away crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential is located near bass pro 1500 obo "

In particular, I dig how the off-center alignment of the bow pulpit lines up with the huge hull scars. I am certain that will make it go fast, and work well also  when "crack shackin'"...

Link: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/143502317036746/

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with the obviousl “Loving” care this poor craft has received, I am surprised, No Shocked that the poor little boat is still afloat

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2 hours ago, CapnK said:

From ad: "crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential"

Wow, to think that just one boat can do all of that - amazing...

Looks like it is was an S2 of some sort.

Full text from ad:

"
26ft sailboat with autopilot  $1,500 Listed 4 days ago in   Conway, SC"   ...and... "Condition: Used - Fair"

"26ft sail boat has autopilot a toilet and a kitchen lounge area motor will need work has all the sails but the spreader needs work be good cheap weekend get away crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential is located near bass pro 1500 obo "

In particular, I dig how the off-center alignment of the bow pulpit lines up with the huge hull scars. I am certain that will make it go fast, and work well also  when "crack shackin'"...

Link: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/143502317036746/

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I hate it when they cherry pick and use only the good photos in these ads.

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4 hours ago, CapnK said:

From ad: "crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential"

Wow, to think that just one boat can do all of that - amazing...

Looks like it is was an S2 of some sort.

Full text from ad:

"
26ft sailboat with autopilot  $1,500 Listed 4 days ago in   Conway, SC"   ...and... "Condition: Used - Fair"

"26ft sail boat has autopilot a toilet and a kitchen lounge area motor will need work has all the sails but the spreader needs work be good cheap weekend get away crack shack stabbin cabin fish camp limitless potential is located near bass pro 1500 obo "

In particular, I dig how the off-center alignment of the bow pulpit lines up with the huge hull scars. I am certain that will make it go fast, and work well also  when "crack shackin'"...

Link: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/143502317036746/

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Looks like it had been lived in by raccoons. You can get a powerful impression of what that interior must smell like.

They want $1500 for this? Given the cleaning it needs, this is really in the category of "I'll give you $XX to take this boat off my hands." Also, it says it's in Conway SC which is the forsaken ass-end of nowhere, but the dock it's tied to in that pic looks like it's at Myrtle Beach (along the same river, on the ICW, whereas Conway is about 30 miles upriver off the ICW).

The sad thing, these are kinda cool little boat. Not lookers, not performers, but they are fairly comfy and practical. Amazingly roomy for their size with no crippling flaws other than the looks of it. I've raced one in PHRF with a deaf skipper, it was a hoot.

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Those have to be one of the oddest boats ever built.

The only market I can think of for them is families who have limited funds but absolutely have to be able to get away from the kids when they anchor.

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11 hours ago, lydia said:

Except if you are on port

Port is aisle sixteen, Wines & Spirits. Tell a lie -- we're all sold out.

I am reduced to a nightcap of cooking sherry and two Benedryl. This is barbarism.

 

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Huk - LOL!

Doug - They are an interesting design, and are not quite as butt-fargin-ugly as a Chrysler Buccaneer, which I think was trying to do about the same thing as a design concept. Never have sailed on one. I imagine with the topside surface area they have, they sail rather well about the anchor, if nowhere else. ;)

Anyway, you are also right, it's actually almost NMB, not Conway. That's a public dock/landing right on the Ditch; I wonder how long SC DNR will let them leave it there...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/33°47'24.4"N+78°46'30.3"W/@33.790104,-78.7766264,681m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

Also, it says it's in Conway SC which is the forsaken ass-end of nowhere,

Now, now, Steamer. I think you're being a little harsh on Conway. We have been driving through the little metropolis of Conway for almost 40 years, on our way to and from Pawleys Island. It's unfortunate that it sits astride US 501, but the main street, which is a few blocks away from 501, is pretty.  On summer weekends, though, the vacation traffic is dreadful.

We have finally figured out a route to Pawleys Island that steers well west of the Myrtle Beach miasma.

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5 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Those have to be one of the oddest boats ever built.

The only market I can think of for them is families who have limited funds but absolutely have to be able to get away from the kids when they anchor.

It was a design contest for the shortest LOA center-cockpit with a walk-thru that actually would not fall over on it's side.

 

4 hours ago, CapnK said:

Huk - LOL!

Doug - They are an interesting design, and are not quite as butt-fargin-ugly as a Chrysler Buccaneer, which I think was trying to do about the same thing as a design concept. Never have sailed on one. I imagine with the topside surface area they have, they sail rather well about the anchor, if nowhere else. ;)

Anyway, you are also right, it's actually almost NMB, not Conway. That's a public dock/landing right on the Ditch; I wonder how long SC DNR will let them leave it there...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/33°47'24.4"N+78°46'30.3"W/@33.790104,-78.7766264,681m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Nah, the Chrysler Buccaneer is an 18-foot centerboard racing dinghy, rather sleek actually. You're thinking of the Wellcraft Buccaneers, I bet. Pioneers of the wedding-cake look.

That S2 actually didn't sail too badly, all things considered. They're not good going hard on the wind, no surprise. I was expecting it to be a nightmare and went along with a friend largely to be helpful and for laughs. Which we had, in plenty. Skipper was deaf as a post and we ended up going aground because he could not hear me telling him we needed to tack (9 times or so). No damage done though. Then he left the engine running... being deaf ought to be factored into the PHRF rating!

If I needed an inexpensive floating apartment that could fit into a 26' slip, I'd get one of these in a heartbeat. Not -that- one though

FB- Doug

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Bayliner (not wellcraft) Buccaneer

I don't know what they were thinking

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Was there ever a desirable fero boat built?

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9 minutes ago, MauiPunter said:

Was there ever a desirable fero boat built?

I've seen a handful over the years.

 

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

If I needed an inexpensive floating apartment that could fit into a 26' slip, I'd get one of these in a heartbeat. Not -that- one though

Do they have two decks or one?

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1 hour ago, See Level said:

Bayliner (not wellcraft) Buccaneer

I don't know what they were thinking

 

Oops, sorry... dunno what I was thinking, definitely two very different things... Binliner explains everything.

Damn those are ugly-ass boats

 

15 minutes ago, Bull City said:

Do they have two decks or one?

 

3 I think, actually........ ;)

FB- Doug

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Yep - that's right - Bayliner Buccaneer 270 is the one I was thinking of - pic attached.

Funny, because I actually have a US Yachts 18 (https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/us-18), which is essentially the Bayliner Buccaneer 18. Picked it up in Fuquay Varina a couple years ago. :) Much better looking boat than the ugly older sister...

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At first glance this appears incredibly mockable - until you see the builders tag.

Matsumoto shipyards were legendary here for building the best fish boats and they were, I believe, the first to go into aluminium construction.

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bnc/boa/d/new-westminster-southwest-aluminum-sail/7099019661.html

I know, I know, it's still mockable - but an interesting bit of history all the same.

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9 hours ago, CapnK said:

Yep - that's right - Bayliner Buccaneer 270 is the one I was thinking of - pic attached.

Funny, because I actually have a US Yachts 18 (https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/us-18), which is essentially the Bayliner Buccaneer 18. Picked it up in Fuquay Varina a couple years ago. :) Much better looking boat than the ugly older sister...

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We had a dock neighbor with one of those, I think it may have been a little bigger... seemingly endless row of odd-shaped ports. Nice people but even the dog looked the other way when we walked by.

I've seen those US18s around, looks like it could be a good Everglades Challenge craft.

IMHO the Chrysler Buccaneer is still better looking though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buccaneer_(dinghy)

FB- Doug

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9 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

At first glance this appears incredibly mockable - until you see the builders tag.

Matsumoto shipyards were legendary here for building the best fish boats and they were, I believe, the first to go into aluminium construction.

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bnc/boa/d/new-westminster-southwest-aluminum-sail/7099019661.html

I know, I know, it's still mockable - but an interesting bit of history all the same.

i would love to see more of that boat

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You better be covered head to toe in Carhartt canvas and leather before you get too close.

Be interesting to test the solution stewing in the bilge.

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1 hour ago, Autonomous said:

You better be covered head to toe in Carhartt canvas and leather before you get too close.

I wouldn't clear that blackberry away if he gave me the boat and $4500.

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While it is an ugly lump there is potential there too. A roomy barge to potter from place to place for a retired guy with no need to make fast passages and time to paint a boot stripe

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"I'd like to make her look a little more attractive.  How far can you pull back?"

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Looking at that crap it's hard to believe that Roberts once designed some nice looking boats.

The builder made a huge difference.

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16 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

At first glance this appears incredibly mockable - until you see the builders tag.

Matsumoto shipyards were legendary here for building the best fish boats and they were, I believe, the first to go into aluminium construction.

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bnc/boa/d/new-westminster-southwest-aluminum-sail/7099019661.html

I know, I know, it's still mockable - but an interesting bit of history all the same.

Ad's gone. Owner must be on SA.

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3 hours ago, toddster said:

"I'd like to make her look a little more attractive.  How far can you pull back?"

It needs to be this far away:

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2 minutes ago, slap said:

It needs to be this far away:

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No, it still doesn't look good from there.  Try this...

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1 hour ago, Fat Point Jack said:

"Have title on hand." I wonder if it's in Tom's name (the seller). If so, it's odd that he doesn't know the make and model.

Egad! I hope this isn't our Plenipotentiary Tom!

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On 3/25/2020 at 12:54 PM, SloopJonB said:

Those have to be one of the oddest boats ever built.

The only market I can think of for them is families who have limited funds but absolutely have to be able to get away from the kids when they anchor.

Arthur Edmonds design.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

"Have title on hand." I wonder if it's in Tom's name (the seller). If so, it's odd that he doesn't know the make and model.

Egad! I hope this isn't our Plenipotentiary Tom!

Springhill is a 100 or so miles away.  I think he has enough projects on his hands.  When Mom & Dad had the house in PigI, I might have considered it,  but not for very long.

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4 hours ago, Ajax said:

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Mmmmm...chines. 

 

Some curly fries to go with your curly chines?  spicy-curly-fries-1-andee-photography.jp

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4 hours ago, Ajax said:

 

Mmmmm...chines.

Chines,  meh....  I was admiring at the speed dimples below the waterline.

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8 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

We used them for our kids windsurfing program on Cape Cod.  They rocked.  We taught over 200 kids each summer.   I organized it with Nevin Sayre, who you guys may know from Fiberspar days.   Dont mock too hard.  It has it's uses.

https://www.americanwindsurfer.com/articles/hatching-windsurfers/

Hatching Windsurfers – American Windsurfer

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On 3/25/2020 at 10:07 PM, SloopJonB said:

At first glance this appears incredibly mockable - until you see the builders tag.

Matsumoto shipyards were legendary here for building the best fish boats and they were, I believe, the first to go into aluminium construction.

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bnc/boa/d/new-westminster-southwest-aluminum-sail/7099019661.html

I know, I know, it's still mockable - but an interesting bit of history all the same.

Years ago I heard that there was a Thunderbird built out of aluminum, I wonder if that's it?

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4 hours ago, See Level said:

Years ago I heard that there was a Thunderbird built out of aluminum, I wonder if that's it?

hmmmm.

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Looks plausible.

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Anyone got the urge to do a little raiding and don't have the right boat to invite your berserker friends?

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/boa/d/englewood-viking-sail-boat/7099586478.html

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Your friends will have room for the axes and shields, and a little booty if they are lucky!

Liten raiding kompis...

- Stumbling

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I guess he didn't follow her instructions to not buy the boat.

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Looks like a ginger...so maybe he escaped. 

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37 minutes ago, monsoon said:

Doubly lucky. Got rid of non-sailing spouse. Must sell Hunter.

Ha! The guy selling the Hunter might BE the "non-sailing spouse."

FB- Doug

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Ha! The guy selling the Hunter might BE the "non-sailing spouse."

FB- Doug

Mea culpa.  My implicit bias is revealed.

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I had a Westerly Nimrod that had that kind of furling.  Wonderful.  Fast. Easy. Would recommend. 5 STARS.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Here's a real opportunity. NOS "roller furling" hardware.

Only for end users though - no flippers. :lol:

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/pml/bpo/d/pitt-meadows-roller-furling-hardware/7102543514.html

 

I don't think I've ever seen a roller furling gooseneck that slide up and down on a track. But it's very handy that it comes with the track, no guesswork (unless that's not the right track... double check before leaving the store).

Can something that's 50 years old, possibly 60, be called "new old stock"??

FB- Doug

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3 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Here's a real opportunity. NOS "roller furling" hardware.

Only for end users though - no flippers. :lol:

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https://vancouver.craigslist.org/pml/bpo/d/pitt-meadows-roller-furling-hardware/7102543514.html

 

Damn old, old school roller reefing fitting for a boom! (Main sail)

- Stumbling 

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Well, it is roller furling, for the boom. Roller reefing would be a better description.

Exactly.

Piss poor roller reefing would be the best description.

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I don't think I've ever seen a roller furling gooseneck that slide up and down on a track. But it's very handy that it comes with the track, no guesswork (unless that's not the right track... double check before leaving the store).

Can something that's 50 years old, possibly 60, be called "new old stock"??

FB- Doug

If it hasn't been used then that's the definition of NOS.

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8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

If it hasn't been used then that's the definition of NOS.

Well, sure. And while that's perfectly legal, a more accurate description would be "Never used because it's useless, old as fuck, customers smarter than you have avoided this item for five or more decades, stock"

And it doesn't look like it comes with the original box. Everybody knows that being in the original box makes it valuable.

- DSK

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, sure. And while that's perfectly legal, a more accurate description would be "Never used because it's useless, old as fuck, customers smarter than you have avoided this item for five or more decades, stock"

That's the other definition of NOS. :D

It's kind of implied. If you find a brand new, never used water pump for a 259 Studebaker V8 it's NOS but is it as good as a modern one?

Your comments are the reason I put it in Mocking. The thing is brand new, never used, NOS garbage.

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

The thing is brand new, never used, NOS garbage.

Hmmmm..... if it was mine (and my wife let me) I would attach the gooseneck to the ceiling over the dining table and wire it so light bulb fits inside the furling mechanism.   Very cool light.

Other than that, scrap metal value of about four cents? 

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The companionway hatch is not symmetrical!  It'a a death trap, it's a suicide rap!

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And so much more.

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12 hours ago, Autonomous said:

The companionway hatch is not symmetrical!  It'a a death trap, it's a suicide rap!

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And so much more.

that maybe but it looks a lot better executed than you expect on a swain.

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40 minutes ago, chester said:

that maybe but it looks a lot better executed than you expect on a swain.

I agree, it's a shame someone put all those resources and work into that shit shell.

The askew forward hatch deserves some abuse but I have nothing to offer at this time.

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The massive instrument pod (?) somehow reminds me of an Edsel.  

 

... WTF is that thing, anyway?

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The railings are my favourite bit.

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It looks to me like someone bought the BS dream, built the boat, roughed in an interior, put in the engine.... then gave up.  I don't see any evidence that boat was ever rigged for sailing. 

A huge amount of time, money and effort to make a bad motorboat that now has zero value.  

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42 minutes ago, toddster said:

The massive instrument pod (?) somehow reminds me of an Edsel.  

 

... WTF is that thing, anyway?

The portlight?

 

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Yeah, I tried to delete the dumb post, but it appears to hang in the air like a fart in an elevator.

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43 minutes ago, toddster said:

Yeah, I tried to delete the dumb post, but it appears to hang in the air like a fart in an elevator.

Best you can do is hide them. Check out "Options" at the bottom of your post.

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A very useful phrase. Sort of like "the elephant in the room."

Wait! How about "an elephant fart in an elevator." Wow!

2 hours ago, toddster said:

it appears to hang in the air like a fart in an elevator.

 

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Work "might" take one day. :D

Then again, it "might" take 6 months full time.

Nice little boat though. Never seen a Dehler I didn't like.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

A very useful phrase. Sort of like "the elephant in the room."

Wait! How about "an elephant fart in an elevator." Wow!

3 hours ago, toddster said:

it appears to hang in the air like a fart in an elevator.

 

Wow

For many years, I have a mental list of people I will not ride in a car with. Now I know a couple of people not to ride in an elevator with

- DSK

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20 hours ago, PaulinVictoria said:

While the boat itself is endlessly mockworthy (and it's front, dead, center in the middle of the harbour), I can't really mock the ad. "I am sending off to scrap metal" - sounds like he knows exactly what he's dealing with. I was actually considering inquiring about that wheelpilot, but figured a) the chances of it working are slim to none, and b) I'd get tetanus just going near it. 

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