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2013 Sydney to Hobart

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This years race could see a pretty handy line up if everything goes to plan.

 

WOIX (100 Maxi)

Rags Loyal (100 Maxi)

Speedpacker (100 Maxi)

Bella Mente (JV72)

Black Jack (VO70)

Calm 3 (VO70)

Southern Excellence (VO70)

Ichi Ban (Carkeek 60)

 

Any weather forecasts yet for them ?

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Wild Thing looking to get a last minute entry in if the forecast is favourable.

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Dont kid yourself. It will just be WOIX plus other things that get in the way of the camera.

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I am sorry but ............

 

What is the forecast !!!

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i went for a ride past woolwich dock (where WOXI is) and they had a spinnaker covering the back half of the boat and lots of noises where coming from there. maybe they are doing some serious mods for the next race? they will have more competition.

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beefing out the rear end with some chines? Speedboat style?

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I am sorry but ............

 

What is the forecast !!!

 

At the moment there is a bit of a cold front over the Middle East so I reckon the start of the race will be quite windy but it'll feather out towards the end for the front runners.

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there is also a wing mast, similar in size to an orma's, hanging from the wall above oats. its been there for months now and is plain white.

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there is also a wing mast, similar in size to an orma's, hanging from the wall above oats. its been there for months now and is plain white.

 

Team Australia's spare??

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if you actually look there are 2 in the shed and yes both are Team Australia's

 

there is also a wing mast, similar in size to an orma's, hanging from the wall above oats. its been there for months now and is plain white.

 

Team Australia's spare??

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i went for a ride past woolwich dock (where WOXI is) and they had a spinnaker covering the back half of the boat and lots of noises where coming from there. maybe they are doing some serious mods for the next race? they will have more competition.

They are carrying out some very important work to the stern section , major structural reinforcing to carry more cameras and large side shields to ensure the viewer sees wild oats and wild oats only at the start of the sydney to Hobart race and to safe guard no other yacht can be seen by the home viewer.

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I do find it most annoying when the other yachts interfere with my viewing of the Wild Oats Sydney to Hobart Race. The CYCA should thinking about banning anything under 100 feet. So uninteresting.

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I do find it most annoying when the other yachts interfere with my viewing of the Wild Oats Sydney to Hobart Race. The CYCA should thinking about banning anything under 100 feet. So uninteresting.

I never said I did not like the new mods to wild oats .

I am with you paulewill , anything less then 100 feet and no motor , what's the point .

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I am sorry but ............

 

What is the forecast !!!

Light with stronger gusts and occasional Sunfish

 

or

 

Windy with lighter patches and occasional sunfish

 

That should about cover it.

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Fuck the forecast. What are Tom Waterhouse's odds,

does he get his info from a yachting journalist, or from Robbo and Johnsy...

Will Singo throw some money towards a 100'er..??

Will Gai be training the Speedboat crew??

This end of the sport needs some big money from gambling!!

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Can we get some live, pre start odds on the race before Tommy jumps over the side? (from woxi). To then fly down to Melbourne for the odds on the last session at the mcg? Hopefully he'll have some time to sign autographs for the kids in Bay 13 before the expert cricketing comments with slats.

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Fuck the forecast. What are Tom Waterhouse's odds,

does he get his info from a yachting journalist, or from Robbo and Johnsy...

Will Singo throw some money towards a 100'er..??

Will Gai be training the Speedboat crew??

This end of the sport needs some big money from gambling!!

I wonder what Tom"s odds are for wild thing getting across the start line ??

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Wild Thing looking to get a last minute entry in if the forecast is favourable.

They will also need to consult the CSIRO Sunfish migratory trajectories forecast to arrange a suitable collision in the event that they are getting blown away by the 60fters.

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Will Wild Thing enter again after last years debacle, can't tell me Wharro wasn't getting some payback for someone he pissed off.? Speedboat will need plenty of money and time to get ready, without a lot of sailing under their belts reliability is always in question.

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

 

 

Matty P. ......you hearing this...?

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

22 feet??? Faaaaaark. Well, at that rate the tip of the prod should cross the start line about 90 seconds before the helmsman. But it won't be early.... :P

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has this been added for the Transpac?

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has this been added for the Transpac?

 

Its been added for the sheer sake of doing it.

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has this been added for the Transpac?

 

Its been added for the sheer sake of doing it.

 

"We do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard"

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has this been added for the Transpac?

Its been added for the sheer sake of doing it.

"We do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard"

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What so the race committee didn't think we were close to over last so we can chance our a bit more this time.

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So, which anarchists are silly enough to be thinking about going this year?

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G4 being the VOR boat.

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

22 feet??? Faaaaaark. Well, at that rate the tip of the prod should cross the start line about 90 seconds before the helmsman. But it won't be early.... :P
Surely 22ft exceeds the FDU Statute for safe operation at sea? When they bury the bow down a big curly wave the poor sap out on the end is going to be T-bagged way deep in the briny. It s gonna be a hard job wiggling your way out there in full SCUBA gear.

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Perhaps the bowman's union will take this matter up with those in fantasy land.

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

22 feet??? Faaaaaark. Well, at that rate the tip of the prod should cross the start line about 90 seconds before the helmsman. But it won't be early.... :P
Surely 22ft exceeds the FDU Statute for safe operation at sea? When they bury the bow down a big curly wave the poor sap out on the end is going to be T-bagged way deep in the briny. It s gonna be a hard job wiggling your way out there in full SCUBA gear.

Unless your bowman is Matty P, in which case he'll "Chuck Norris" the ocean into submission....

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So from the article,

 

“We are also pleased to announce that we have recently received orders from three of the world’s most high profile racing teams: Ichiban (newly-designed Carkeek 65’), Wild Oats XI and Loyal (ex-Speedboat)."

 

Is it a typo or does this answer the Speedboat ownership questions ???

 

 

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So from the article,

 

“We are also pleased to announce that we have recently received orders from three of the world’s most high profile racing teams: Ichiban (newly-designed Carkeek 65’), Wild Oats XI and Loyal (ex-Speedboat)."

 

Is it a typo or does this answer the Speedboat ownership questions ???

The Anthony Bell/Loyal connection is old news. Still conflicting reports as to the identity of the "other party". People who should know insist it's Croaky. Bell stated at one stage that he was not a "front man" for Croaky, but that doesn't mean they aren't partners. Other sources have named James Packer. Maybe it's all 3?

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So will Ragamuffin still carry the Loyal banner as well?

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So will Ragamuffin still carry the Loyal banner as well?

No, she's officially Ragamuffin 100 now.

 

Bugger, photo too big to attach.

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So, which anarchists are silly enough to be thinking about going this year?

 

We're going on Minerva slut. The boat has spent four weeks with mast, rudder out - it's now all ship-shape.

 

I spent last Christmas on the boat with the family having a cruise! This year it's all on again.

 

Everyone is very keen. We sail in a very good part of the fleet. It's going to be a great season. It's an extremely good crew to be involved with.

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So will Ragamuffin still carry the Loyal banner as well?

No, she's officially Ragamuffin 100 now.

 

Bugger, photo too big to attach.

rags-620x350.jpg

 

Rags 100 arriving in the States for the start of the Transpac.

 

Photo credit: Scuttlebutt

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Great photo.

 

Makes you realise how big she is.

 

Can't see the new prodder

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

22 feet??? Faaaaaark. Well, at that rate the tip of the prod should cross the start line about 90 seconds before the helmsman. But it won't be early.... :P
Surely 22ft exceeds the FDU Statute for safe operation at sea? When they bury the bow down a big curly wave the poor sap out on the end is going to be T-bagged way deep in the briny. It s gonna be a hard job wiggling your way out there in full SCUBA gear.

Nh, hell already be out the back of the wave! He could radio back and report on depth, cold etc to prep helmsman....

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Saw WOXI in the shed today, im 90% sure they have DSS now. There was a little rectangular cut out on the side just below waterline and a little big forward of the mast.

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WO XI new mast & DSS? Wow!! $$$$$$$$$

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And Team Australia and Team Vodafone will start two hours behind and should have caught and passed the leaders by nightfall.

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Well duh- of course they will. They're high speed multis. What's your point? How about starting an S2H just for multihulls? Too lazy? Not enough interest?

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And they wont be running an engine the whole way like the canters.

Where is the rest of the fleet then?

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Can we please not clog this thread up with this annual tired boring old shit fight. Go argue it somewhere else.

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Is the DSS the system to stop the bow diving?

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Was WOX1 originally a canter?

 

Edit: appeared to have been reubuilt as a canter at some point. They're dropping the canter for DSS?

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Was WOX1 originally a canter?

 

Edit: appeared to have been reubuilt as a canter at some point. They're dropping the canter for DSS?

Was always a canter, just changed from CBTF to, well, three boards keel and rudder.

 

Wonder how many times they can cut holes in the middle of the boat...

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They're dropping the canter for DSS?

I doubt that. DSS claiming they are "as good as" is probably a great marketing phrase, making the promise of bridging the gap between fixed and canting - which is arguably the biggest single design gap in boats at the moment that doesn't involve another hull or two. DSS isn't going to be a direct match anyway - clearly a canting keel provides pretty much a fixed righting moment - dependant only upon heel angle and cant angle. DSS provides a moment that varies with speed. So not nearly as much value uphill, but potentially a devastating addition reaching. Potentially. No reason you can't have both.

Who knows? Maybe we could see a swing back from wide arsed, hard chined reaching monsters, to (to my eye) prettier designs, with more upwind performance, that get it all back when reaching with a DSS foil? But I doubt canting keels will be vanishing anytime soon. No doubt a real headache for rating. When my lottery numbers come up I'm having something like Firefly built with a DSS.

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Fair comment, but just how many holes can WOX1 have in her bottom before it all get a little silly? She's got how many now? Canting keel, twin rudders, twin dagger boards, and forward daggerboard (? - not sure on that one). Add to that DSS either side and she's starting to look like a swiss army knife underwater.

 

And to what end? To keep ahead of MaximumLoyalMuffin and SpeedVirginBler100? It all seems a little pointless to me, but what do I know, I don't have millions to blow on a maxi, and if I did, I'd just go out and buy AlfaEuropa.

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It all seems a little pointless to me,

Doesn't that pretty much sum up most yacht racing? :)

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Fair comment, but just how many holes can WOX1 have in her bottom before it all get a little silly? She's got how many now? Canting keel, twin rudders, twin dagger boards, and forward daggerboard (? - not sure on that one). Add to that DSS either side and she's starting to look like a swiss army knife underwater.

 

And to what end? To keep ahead of MaximumLoyalMuffin and SpeedVirginBler100? It all seems a little pointless to me, but what do I know, I don't have millions to blow on a maxi, and if I did, I'd just go out and buy AlfaEuropa.

It appear very little, was never a fixed keel and never had twin rudders

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Fair comment, but just how many holes can WOX1 have in her bottom before it all get a little silly? She's got how many now? Canting keel, twin rudders, twin dagger boards, and forward daggerboard (? - not sure on that one). Add to that DSS either side and she's starting to look like a swiss army knife underwater.

 

And to what end? To keep ahead of MaximumLoyalMuffin and SpeedVirginBler100? It all seems a little pointless to me, but what do I know, I don't have millions to blow on a maxi, and if I did, I'd just go out and buy AlfaEuropa.

It [would - sic] appear very little, was never a fixed keel and never had twin rudders

 

Ouch. Never said she was a fixed keel.

 

Anything else to add without being inflammatory?

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Fair comment, but just how many holes can WOX1 have in her bottom before it all get a little silly? She's got how many now? Canting keel, twin rudders, twin dagger boards, and forward daggerboard (? - not sure on that one). Add to that DSS either side and she's starting to look like a swiss army knife underwater. And to what end? To keep ahead of MaximumLoyalMuffin and SpeedVirginBler100? It all seems a little pointless to me, but what do I know, I don't have millions to blow on a maxi, and if I did, I'd just go out and buy AlfaEuropa.

It [would - sic] appear very little, was never a fixed keel and never had twin rudders
Ouch. Never said she was a fixed keel. Anything else to add without being inflammatory?

Want some bandages and antiseptic whipes for the claw marks?

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Saw WOXI in the shed today, im 90% sure they have DSS now. There was a little rectangular cut out on the side just below waterline and a little big forward of the mast.

doubt DSS could be placed fwd of the mast.

especialy not on WOXI/Alfa design

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Pretty sure it is forward of the mast on WOXI. Not far but nonetheless forward.

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Well duh- of course they will. They're high speed multis. What's your point? How about starting an S2H just for multihulls? Too lazy? Not enough interest?

Thats a a circular argument Terrorvision. If there is no class for them people wont develop boats, if they dont develop boats there wont be a class for them. Langman is pretty scathing of his club (CYCA) for not being forward thinking and encouraging the boats.

 

See interview here: http://www.multihullcentral.com/orma-60-trimaran-to-race-sydney-to-hobart/

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Well duh- of course they will. They're high speed multis. What's your point? How about starting an S2H just for multihulls? Too lazy? Not enough interest?

Thats a a circular argument Terrorvision. If there is no class for them people wont develop boats, if they dont develop boats there wont be a class for them. Langman is pretty scathing of his club (CYCA) for not being forward thinking and encouraging the boats.

 

See interview here: http://www.multihullcentral.com/orma-60-trimaran-to-race-sydney-to-hobart/

If Langman was serious about it he'd be trying to convince the MOD70 guys to come down so as to make a case for inclusion by reinvigorating the coverage. but then he'd get his arse handed to him so not likely to happen.

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The DSS foil exits are about .5m behind the dagger board exits and just below the waterline.

Look further aft than that. WOX 10 getting the dss treatment too. And huge hole forward, for forward rudder? Ernesto must be paying some coin to turbo 10.

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Well duh- of course they will. They're high speed multis. What's your point? How about starting an S2H just for multihulls? Too lazy? Not enough interest?

Thats a a circular argument Terrorvision. If there is no class for them people wont develop boats, if they dont develop boats there wont be a class for them. Langman is pretty scathing of his club (CYCA) for not being forward thinking and encouraging the boats.

 

See interview here: http://www.multihullcentral.com/orma-60-trimaran-to-race-sydney-to-hobart/

 

So you are saying there aren't enough multihulls in Oz to constitute a class? Sounds like softcock excuses again- from what I gather there are some fairly developed classes down there it just needs someone to get off the pot and organise one.

 

I am not anti-multihull by the way, I have been lucky enough to sail on some of the biggest and fastest and have thoroughly enjoyed the experience. It's just that multihull sailors (not the 18' and below variety) whine like there's no tomorrow but never seem to draw a line in the sand and organise something. So what if the first 'Multihull S2H' only draws 10 boats- like you say, it may encourage more monohull sailors to get cat sailing. Didn't Hamilton just announce a cat class?

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I love that there are currently three boats entered for the 2013 race (entries opened today?) and Wild Thing is one of them.

 

I dunno who's more of a sucker: Wharro for returning to the race that he was turfed from at the last minute last year or the club for accepting his entry after Wharro savaged them in the resulting media circus.

 

Mex

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I can't imagine they can legally exclude him if he's ticked all the boxes (this time)

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I can't imagine they can legally exclude him if he's ticked all the boxes (this time)

There's plenty of time for things to go wrong.

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I love that there are currently three boats entered for the 2013 race (entries opened today?) and Wild Thing is one of them.

 

I dunno who's more of a sucker: Wharro for returning to the race that he was turfed from at the last minute last year or the club for accepting his entry after Wharro savaged them in the resulting media circus.

 

Mex

Any publicity is good publicity, isn't it?

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I love that there are currently three boats entered for the 2013 race (entries opened today?) and Wild Thing is one of them.

 

I dunno who's more of a sucker: Wharro for returning to the race that he was turfed from at the last minute last year or the club for accepting his entry after Wharro savaged them in the resulting media circus.

 

Mex

Mex,

 

Wharro will be on the starting line this year for the Hobart race and the paper work will be right.

 

I was talking to one of the crew of wild thing the other day and they were saying the reason that they are doing the southport race is because the paper work is the same for that race as for the Hobart race. If the CYC let's them race the southport race then they can't stop them racing the Hobart race as he boat has passed the requirements needed for both races.

 

Pulpit

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Mex,

 

Wharro will be on the starting line this year for the Hobart race and the paper work will be right.

 

I was talking to one of the crew of wild thing the other day and they were saying the reason that they are doing the southport race is because the paper work is the same for that race as for the Hobart race. If the CYC let's them race the southport race then they can't stop them racing the Hobart race as he boat has passed the requirements needed for both races.

 

Pulpit

Wrong, Southport is a Cat 2 race and Hobart is Cat 1, therefore different paper work required.

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..... and anyway entries in different races will be considered on their own merits.

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I love that there are currently three boats entered for the 2013 race (entries opened today?) and Wild Thing is one of them.

 

I dunno who's more of a sucker: Wharro for returning to the race that he was turfed from at the last minute last year or the club for accepting his entry after Wharro savaged them in the resulting media circus.

 

Mex

Wharro will be on the starting line this year for the Hobart race and the paper work will be right.

 

I was talking to one of the crew of wild thing the other day and they were saying the reason that they are doing the southport race is because the paper work is the same for that race as for the Hobart race. If the CYC let's them race the southport race then they can't stop them racing the Hobart race as he boat has passed the requirements needed for both races.

 

Pulpit

I certainly hope so. Wharro's resolve and that of his backers and crew must've been sorely tested. I do hope they get to race and do okay.

 

Mex

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Mex,

Wharro will be on the starting line this year for the Hobart race and the paper work will be right.

I was talking to one of the crew of wild thing the other day and they were saying the reason that they are doing the southport race is because the paper work is the same for that race as for the Hobart race. If the CYC let's them race the southport race then they can't stop them racing the Hobart race as he boat has passed the requirements needed for both races.

Pulpit

Wrong, Southport is a Cat 2 race and Hobart is Cat 1, therefore different paper work required.

trt,

You are right about the cat 1/ cat 2 difference for most things. The thing is the boat still must meet ABS and other things needed for cat 1 that are included in cat 2. This is what wharro is what hoping to use when it's Hobart time.

 

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Mex,

 

Wharro will be on the starting line this year for the Hobart race and the paper work will be right.

 

I was talking to one of the crew of wild thing the other day and they were saying the reason that they are doing the southport race is because the paper work is the same for that race as for the Hobart race. If the CYC let's them race the southport race then they can't stop them racing the Hobart race as he boat has passed the requirements needed for both races.

 

Pulpit

Wrong, Southport is a Cat 2 race and Hobart is Cat 1, therefore different paper work required.

So do tell me.. what is the difference between Cat 1 and Cat 2? Oh yeah, the Special Regs Audit and that's about it.. The boat already has a Cat 1 audit.. What's your next conspiracy theory?

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This years race could see a pretty handy line up if everything goes to plan.

 

WOIX (100 Maxi)

Rags Loyal (100 Maxi)

Speedpacker (100 Maxi)

Bella Mente (JV72)

Black Jack (VO70)

Calm 3 (VO70)

Southern Excellence (VO70)

Ichi Ban (Carkeek 60)

 

Any weather forecasts yet for them ?

This pretty much counts out Bella Mente http://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Rolex-Fastnet-Race---Record-breaking-fleet-all-set/112386

 

Hap Fauthh says "We haven't done Sydney Hobart, but it is a long way to go and quite frankly too expensive for one race. I must be getting cheap in my old age!"

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The DSS foil exits are about .5m behind the dagger board exits and just below the waterline.

 

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I know it's still yet to be proven on WOXI, but you would think this will be a big boost to the DSS sales. I wonder if Speedrambler is going down the same track?

 

Cheers

Mojo

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Ok, so I don't have much knowledge on DSS at all but those foils look a touch on the small side when compared to other smaller boats that have them?

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If the boat is going twice the speed, the foils can be a quarter of the size for the same amount of lift.

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Is that another opening for a smaller DSS board just behind the forward hull support on the cradle?

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I think the DSS board slides from side to side so it will be effectively longer than in the photo.

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If the boat is going twice the speed, the foils can be a quarter of the size for the same amount of lift.

there in lies the problem, wo is not tough enough to go any faster than it already could.

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The DSS foil exits are about .5m behind the dagger board exits and just below the waterline.

 

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looks like alot of work has been done around the top of the keel - has it been moved ?

p.s - anymore pics further forward?

the boys were loading her up thismorning - fitting the daggers and delivery rags - next stop Hammo

WOX was sitting behind her ready to go

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Under a miniscule IRC alteration Loyal has now increased their bowsprit to 22ft, adding another 2m. One lucky bowman will be putting the martin breaker or spiking the extra 150sq to the kites.

22 feet??? Faaaaaark. Well, at that rate the tip of the prod should cross the start line about 90 seconds before the helmsman. But it won't be early.... :P
Surely 22ft exceeds the FDU Statute for safe operation at sea? When they bury the bow down a big curly wave the poor sap out on the end is going to be T-bagged way deep in the briny. It s gonna be a hard job wiggling your way out there in full SCUBA gear.

the flying sails would be on furlers, probably on rock backs so they can be managed from the foredeck/pit.

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Is she still a canter or is that keel now fixed? Hard to tell from the photo.

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Is she still a canter or is that keel now fixed? Hard to tell from the photo.

still a canter - i thought they might'v moved the position of it slightly but i think its just fairing

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Clipper race to join Syd-Hobart.

 

Be good for both races.

 

Wondered why this had not happened before.

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Good idea.

 

The Volvos did it a few races back.

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The DSS foil exits are about .5m behind the dagger board exits and just below the waterline.

 

IMG_19421_zpsbd8ae354.jpg

 

have one long board for DSS with its center bolted to the top of the canting mechanism and bob's your uncle, eh?

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