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on same page Ump

 

terra 'cups of tea' must be the bev of choice on maxis & supers

 

Juggy mentions here !

at 3mins 30secs

top of the mast stuff at 46mtrs is a reminder why these supermaxi crews are from another level

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Beau Geste has arrived in Sydney ready to take on the Rolex Sydney Hobart. Credit Darren McManaway

 

That's a cool looking boat.

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Am taking the kids to Sydney for the sabots nats and wondering if anyone knows of a viewing ride from cyc for the start ?

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on same page Ump

 

terra 'cups of tea' must be the bev of choice on maxis & supers

 

Juggy mentions here !

at 3mins 30secs

top of the mast stuff at 46mtrs is a reminder why these supermaxi crews are from another level

Thanks GS, good to see the video again. As had been said before this boat is a beast.

When I spoke to some of the crew in Rose Bay there was a mention of her coming back to the Northern Hemisphere for a a other another crack at the Fastnet in 2015. Got my fingers crossed.

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Beau Geste has arrived in Sydney ready to take on the Rolex Sydney Hobart. Credit Darren McManaway

 

That's a cool looking boat.

Yep. Interesting pic also. Anyone know where it was taken? In NZ or in the harbour yesterday?

 

Crew to leeward but leeward daggerboard half down (or half up).

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Beau Geste has arrived in Sydney ready to take on the Rolex Sydney Hobart. Credit Darren McManaway

That's a cool looking boat.

Yep. Interesting pic also. Anyone know where it was taken? In NZ or in the harbour yesterday?

 

Crew to leeward but leeward daggerboard half down (or half up).

That photo in "Beau Geste" thread, 7th dec.

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I guess NZ then.

 

 

 

 


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Beau Geste has arrived in Sydney ready to take on the Rolex Sydney Hobart. Credit Darren McManaway


That's a cool looking boat.
Yep. Interesting pic also. Anyone know where it was taken? In NZ or in the harbour yesterday?

Crew to leeward but leeward daggerboard half down (or half up).

That photo in "Beau Geste" thread, 7th dec.

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Beau Geste has arrived in Sydney ready to take on the Rolex Sydney Hobart. Credit Darren McManaway

 

That's a cool looking boat.

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Badass of the year award goes to Brady and crew.

 

"Oh, we just paused mid-ocean to do Windward-Leeward races...."

 

like it ain't no thing...

 

I want Loyal for Line Honors and BG for handicap.

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For those that can't make it to the CYCA Pond before the race... he's a quick shot of some of the fleet. I'll leave it to the boat spotters, but there's a bit of hardware on show. Will grab a few more of the boats this morning...

 

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Got some elevation point, need it for a front page shot! nice work!

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Any weather updates? Using the "Earth Wind Map" it looks like its going to be relativley moderate to light air affair for the pointy end of the fleet anyway.

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Just walked the docks at the CYCA and grabbed a few shots of interesting boats for those that are following this from home...

 

First cab of the rank the classic Adams designed Helsal III still looking good after many miles.

 

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Helsal 111. Still looking great. She was the boat to beat in her day.

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Had a look at Varuna yesterday - Kerr 51.

 

Looks very awesome. Very black

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Was also pretty impressed by the Ex-Groupama Vo70. They now have the boom extended to the point where the traveler is literally at the edge of the deck. Also looks like they have put more water ballast at the rear - port and starboard side right at the back sitting on the deck - could be wrong on this though.

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Varuna was very black indeed! Though you could still pick it was a Ker from a mile out on a moonless night...

 

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The Humphreys 42 Zanzibar has a strong pedigree and seems to be flying under the radar in the fast 40 foot bracket...

 

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Crew to leeward but leeward daggerboard half down (or half up).

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TRYING to soak :)

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The older TP52 Frantic makes for an interesting reference for how quickly hull designs have changed in the class...

 

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Found two ex-Yendys... one that won the '99 race overall, now Knee Deep, and the other the frickin' quick Wedgetail which from memory was one of the first boats out of the McC shed in China.

 

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FYI All those white telegraph poles in the background are the Clipper 7 rigs.

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The Clipper 70's looked like they could make for some amusing OD racing in a blow... maybe a Hobart to Hobart lap of the Antarctic in 2015?

 

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Ichi Ban looks the absolute business... they've raised the bar on from the Limit / Loki era for how good a 60 footer can look. Would have been great to see them hit it out this year with a fully cocked Loki program... will be interesting to hear what those that have hopped across have to say about the two designs at the end of the race.

 

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A different horse for a very different course... a Clipper 68 for comparison.

 

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Amongst all the hardware, and having done a few racing miles on previous gen VO70's, VO60's and the odd competitive mile on a maxi, Giacomo gave me an absolute boner. W.E.A.P.O.N. And to think this thing has been made possible by all those young ladies out there smashing Oyster Bay Sauvignon Blanc at ever opportunity. Way to go Jim Delegat. Oh yeah and if this boat says one thing it's don't fuck with Frank Camas... the quicker he gets an AC program off the ground the better for everyone.

 

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Brinders looking as beautiful as ever... high five for all involved in this program. Here's a useless fact, to the eye it looks like her rig is about the same height at Giacomo

 

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One last shot for the enthusiasts... not a Hobart contender this year but the undisputed coolest boat in the pond. Berrimilla II. Makes all this Syd-Hob business look like a jacked up clown show.

 

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Also for the detail oriented, if you look in the background you'll see the stern of Southern Excellence II at the end of the Marina Arm.

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Man, I love the way the VO70's look in "normal boat" livery. So much of the hull's sexy lines and high tech systems get hidden by the sponsor'ed up graphics.

 

Here's a questions though, hypothetically, how would the vaporware RP maxi scow fair in this contest???

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Great shots Point, thanks for posting!

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A different horse for a very different course... a Clipper 68 for comparison.

 

You didn't stop to say hello :(

 

T'was too early to be sociable this morning...

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Just for a little perspective on the pond. Clipper 70's all rafted up to the right of shot. A couple of VO70's, Clipper 68's, Brindabella, Ichi Ban and Varuna on the end of the arm in centre of the shot, the Farr 100 Zefiro making itself obvious, and then the VO60 and friends to left of shot.. with everyone piled in behind.

 

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If anyone has a decent camera (i'm doing this with an old iPhone4S) and wants this kind of shot on Boxing Day (when the place will be freaking packed) then just walk around through the park to Elizabeth Bay Road and wander down the driveway next to 63 Elizabeth Bay Road. I took this from the car parking on top of Number 65 Elizabeth Bay Road, no gates, no fuss, cheaper than a drone.

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Predictwind forecast models have demerged with 10 hour difference in WOXI arrival at Tasman Island, will be making some people nervous

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I think the models are having a CPU meltdown with the trough and instability off Sydney on the 26th

 

they have got 3 days to (possibly) come good

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Just for a little perspective on the pond. Clipper 70's all rafted up to the right of shot. A couple of VO70's, Clipper 68's, Brindabella, Ichi Ban and Varuna on the end of the arm in centre of the shot, the Farr 100 Zefiro making itself obvious, and then the VO60 and friends to left of shot.. with everyone piled in behind. 11504567124_088c081d9c_o.jpg If anyone has a decent camera (i'm doing this with an old iPhone4S) and wants this kind of shot on Boxing Day (when the place will be freaking packed) then just walk around through the park to Elizabeth Bay Road and wander down the driveway next to 63 Elizabeth Bay Road. I took this from the car parking on top of Number 65 Elizabeth Bay Road, no gates, no fuss, cheaper than a drone.

Thanks for your efforts....more please...

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One last shot for the enthusiasts... not a Hobart contender this year but the undisputed coolest boat in the pond. Berrimilla II. Makes all this Syd-Hob business look like a jacked up clown show.

 

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Also for the detail oriented, if you look in the background you'll see the stern of Southern Excellence II at the end of the Marina Arm.

Having crewed said Berrimilla with Alex and Pete in a Lord Howe race and been forced to drink Guinness at 6am I concur...

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One last shot for the enthusiasts... not a Hobart contender this year but the undisputed coolest boat in the pond. Berrimilla II. Makes all this Syd-Hob business look like a jacked up clown show.

 

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Also for the detail oriented, if you look in the background you'll see the stern of Southern Excellence II at the end of the Marina Arm.

Having crewed said Berrimilla with Alex and Pete in a Lord Howe race and been forced to drink Guinness at 6am I concur...

Shit. Drinking Guinness at any time of the day or night is one tough ask. Must have been a memorable trip!

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One last shot for the enthusiasts... not a Hobart contender this year but the undisputed coolest boat in the pond. Berrimilla II. Makes all this Syd-Hob business look like a jacked up clown show.

 

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Also for the detail oriented, if you look in the background you'll see the stern of Southern Excellence II at the end of the Marina Arm.

Having crewed said Berrimilla with Alex and Pete in a Lord Howe race and been forced to drink Guinness at 6am I concur...

Shit. Drinking Guinness at any time of the day or night is one tough ask. Must have been a memorable trip!

Every bit as tough as it looked...

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The weather forecast is looking like Wild Oats material to me. It's messy and light at times and luck will come into play. Oats and Beau Geste are my gut feelings at the moment, how does everyone else see it?

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The weather forecast is looking like Wild Oats material to me. It's messy and light at times and luck will come into play. Oats and Beau Geste are my gut feelings at the moment, how does everyone else see it?

I'm getting 2 days 4 hours for a Volvo 70 using Expedition and GFS wind models, but without a current GRIB and the expressway appears to be running fast so cut a few hours off that. Doubt the light stuff will suit BG at all. Looking OK on handicap for fast 50s/ 60s I reckon.

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i'm with you Terra, but if they get those easterlies on day one the 'Whittled Scows' might take some chasing down but she'll be on em

by the time its light off tassie she should be moving away

 

disclaimer: on current BOM models

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ya DD, so long as those 50s have eyeballed Tasman/Raoul before the SW front goes hard ? which now starts building 5 p.m 28th

 

anything slower will cop it

 

agree with former comments and Bill Es opposing tracks that weather modelling is not straightforward/ dependable due to a forecast trough / EC Low

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I see two details that are going to be hard to forecast accurately until we get within say 24-48hrshrs.

 

One is a weak coastal low on the 26th. As 7070 has said, this may or may not even develop at all.

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The other is the big area of slack pressure around the straits and tasi on the 27th. What the actual structure and timing (and winds field) of that is going to be difficult to forecast accurately.

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Clear that the Rhumbline looks good on wind & current first day or so. EC low formation will be influenced by just how hot the water is up off the mid NSW coast. On this picture, pretty warm... Assuming those colours are right there's a lot of hot water a long way south this year.

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This is getting fun. 16 hours til we check in at DTW, and I got a free upgrade. Starting the trip off right.

 

The stream of Hobart stuff starts to hit the front page today. If you have something special - a picture, a paragraph on something cool, a video - post it here and send it to me at clean@sailinganarchy.com if you want to see it on the front page.

 

Remember too to go and like McConaghy's Facebook page to be eligible for all giveaways that we have coming up. I still haven't even opened the box that Scooter sent, but I'm told it's full of great swag.

 

See you all soon, and thanks to everyone for all the help you've given.

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Question from Mer, downstairs packing: Weather report for Hobart 27/12 to 2/1?

 

My question: If we have foulies already, what else do we need for a regular week in Hobart? Jeans and a jacket? Earmuffs and wolverine-fur parkas?

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Clean,

 

Here you go.

 

Sydney forecast: bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/Sydney.shtml

Hobart forecast: bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/Hobart.shtml

 

Hobart gets pretty cool at night, but a snug or sweater and shell should cover it.

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lol, I know your a tragic for upsetting the locals wherever you go , but wolverine may get the local tassy devils a bit worked up.

 

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_094029.shtml

shorts and t shirt -- one jeans -- one lighter long sleeve Jkt or sweater

I would NOT bring another heavy jacket if you have a musto jacket, well not in high summer

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I see two details that are going to be hard to forecast accurately until we get within say 24-48hrshrs.

 

One is a weak coastal low on the 26th. As 7070 has said, this may or may not even develop at all.

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it looks like a secondary low on the cold front- the 18Z GFS has it a bit deeper than the either the 12Z GFS or 12Z Euro.

 

the fact that both Euro and GFS develop something gives it a bit more probability of happening, as the GFS frequently over does them.

 

we'll see what the 00 runs show.

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Latest Run using Expedition and GFS model, no current file. Close run thing for small - med boats as it's sending the fast boats a long way offshore.

 

Boat Dist Sailed ET TCF CT

V070 790 2 4 36 1.700 3 17 25.2

TP52 694 2 10 55 1.360 3 8 7.6

Farr40 699 2 20 29 1.169 3 8 3.4

 

V070 polars from a boat in the last VOR, others from Expedition data files. TCFs representative

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Black Adder, the only boat in the fleet with a solar panel array?

 

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Geez, what's that good looking boat on the left there? :P:lol:

 

...And to think this thing has been made possible by all those young ladies out there smashing Oyster Bay Sauvignon Blanc at ever opportunity.

 

And Barnsey :D

 

Question from Mer, downstairs packing: Weather report for Hobart 27/12 to 2/1?

 

My question: If we have foulies already, what else do we need for a regular week in Hobart? Jeans and a jacket? Earmuffs and wolverine-fur parkas?

 

Pretty chilly in the evenings, a hoodie, jeans and thongs should do the trick. And maybe some closed in shoes to meet "late night disco rig requirements"!

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Some boat porn from Woolwich Dock

 

Massive design philosophy differnece between WOXI and BG

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BG

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WOXI

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Bobs Tender

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wiide load huh

 

 

 

7070 ? this second low ? ? ?

 

 

 

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Someone likes WIld Oats wine

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Patrice

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Vittoria S&S 45 in immaculate condition

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Woody - ex Navy Workboat that has had a bit of cash spent on it, owned by Terry Snow who is George Snows brother (He built Brindabella) Together they own Canberra Airport

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An 8m

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A bit of overkill to lift out a 16ft putt putt - if you look closely you can see a spare keel bulb

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The infamous sliding keel yacht

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For you betting types the Sydney papers on the weekend reported that Loyal will be without tactician Michael Coxon for the race. Apparently he suffered a kidney infection and although released from hospital last Thursday isn't ''up to the rigours of the Sydney to Hobart''.

 

Adjust your odds accordingly.

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Question from Mer, downstairs packing: Weather report for Hobart 27/12 to 2/1?

 

My question: If we have foulies already, what else do we need for a regular week in Hobart? Jeans and a jacket? Earmuffs and wolverine-fur parkas?

 

I've seen as little as 4 degrees celsius off Tasman Island to 38 degrees celsius in the Derwent.

 

It's okay, though, they have shops in Hobart and you'll be wearing your rum blanket most of the time...

 

Mex

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Question from Mer, downstairs packing: Weather report for Hobart 27/12 to 2/1?

 

My question: If we have foulies already, what else do we need for a regular week in Hobart? Jeans and a jacket? Earmuffs and wolverine-fur parkas?

 

I am a local so might be a little used to the weather down here but last year we partied on the docks till midnight at the taste and I just had a Musto LPX and jeans and was plenty warm. Even the Mrs, who thinks 10 knots on a 40deg day is cold, was warm enough in a light jacket.

 

I you make it down before the big boys finish, Mount Nelson signal station lookout with a pair of binos is definately the place to be.

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An 8m

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A bit of overkill to lift out a 16ft putt putt - if you look closely you can see a spare keel bulb

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The infamous sliding keel yacht

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Beau Geste has arrived in Sydney ready to take on the Rolex Sydney Hobart. Credit Darren McManaway

 

That's a cool looking boat.

 

 

Is that Q at the bottom?

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wiide load huh

 

 

 

7070 ? this second low ? ? ?

 

 

 

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they are just connecting the lows with troughs..., and not showing a front associated with the low that estar and i were discussing.

 

troughs are often associated with cold fronts - the pre-frontal trough - but where the trough exists by itself, they can be like a front in the sense that the wind shift can be the same as with a front - a sharp veer as it passes.

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Clipper Switzerland has a female skipper, who is the only other one in the fleet & what boat? I hear there is a trophy for the first over the line.

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An 8m

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A bit of overkill to lift out a 16ft putt putt - if you look closely you can see a spare keel bulb

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The infamous sliding keel yacht

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Looks like the old keel off WOXI - it's got the same winglets attached.

 

yep thats 'Q' in the bottom pic

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Well I have been cruising the bottom of the racecourse for the last week. The models are not doing that well here this week. The trough is just not as neat as the maps say.

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Screenshot from a recent PL promo vid. Recognize anyone out of place in this shot?

 

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Could explain a lot of the "where is the money for the Rambler 100 rebuild coming from" questions we were having earlier.

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I doubt croaky putting money in but a good PR move by Bell to have NC's support.

 

Along time since he sat on the rail that far forward !!

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He was a wee bit pissed off with WOXI being built just after Alfa so would not be surprised if he offered to do anything to help someone beat them

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NC is not looking for another maxi. Something way smaller just to keep the eye in.

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Rags 100 ORCi cert just out, says the boat's gained 2240kg in weight...is that fast? Probably a couple of tonnes heavier than WOXI and IRC rating quite a bit lower. When you crunch the polars it's obvious why running spinnakers aren't a big priority on these boats.

 

 

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remember Clean it's safer in the larger cites http://i.imgur.com/mrG10Sh.gif

Not worried about the roos. rental cars take care of 'em fine. Damn those drop bears tho. And those life-sucking hippies in nimbin.

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Brinders looking as beautiful as ever... high five for all involved in this program. Here's a useless fact, to the eye it looks like her rig is about the same height at Giacomo

 

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Love that boat.... except for one thing - that damn yellow stripe just shy of the gun'l Crew boss sights down it and yells at anyone who's butt is obscuring it. And when you are a grinder trying to recover your breath during a tacking duel - it just sucks to be hanging off your diaphram while gasping for air...

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The detailed features on the 26th and 27th are still mushing around, and have not stabilized, so accurate routing for the big boats is not yet possible.

 

The big feature on the 28th and 29th does seem to have well stabilized . . . and it will suck for the small boats.

 

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Rags 100 ORCi cert just out, says the boat's gained 2240kg in weight...is that fast? Probably a couple of tonnes heavier than WOXI and IRC rating quite a bit lower. When you crunch the polars it's obvious why running spinnakers aren't a big priority on these boats.

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...I don't suppose it would make sense for -all- boats to be focusing on line-honors

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