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Farrier introduces new F33

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Maybe in six more years there will an actual production boat. Meanwhile where are the other authorized Farrier builders who were touted over the past six years?

 

The continual production of vapor ware must be difficult while devoting so much energy to trashing the company actually producing and standing behind the boats we love to sail.

 

Flame away, I will be sailing.

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Interesting - anyone figured out what they cost as compared to the Corsair 31/Cruze etc?

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The production F-22 had taken most of the focus and attention the past year, but alongside I have also been quietly working on a new version of the F-33, as such a boat has been well overdue.

 

First looked at using the original F-33 molds but decided there were too many improvements that could be made, so the hull lines were started from scratch again. However, we have been able to use the existing F-32 beams (as being manufactured by Farrier Marine), which were an improvement over the original F-33 third generation beams, and these have cut development time considerably.

 

It has been quite a bit of work that I could have done without, but there is just nothing really new out there any more for F-boat enthusiasts who would like to move up. So it became a design that just had to be done for those that want a large truly modern 'state of the art' folding Farrier production design.

 

As with the original F-33, it is all epoxy vacuum bagged construction, so it will be very light, but unlike the original F-33 there will be a reduced beam legally trailerable version. And just look at the standard of finish they are able to achieve on their bigger F-44SC:

 

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Plus also at http://www.f-boat.com/pages/News4/F-44SCProduction2.html

 

The F-33 also comes with many of the latest features as developed for the F-22, and four have now been sold, so if interested don't tarry.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Very sweet! I need to start saving up my allowance...

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Sorry Ian the old fax machine cut the bottom off the numbers on the order I sent you last year, that was F-33, not 22!!

 

(I thought it was a good deal and put it down to a strong aussie dollar) :D

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Sorry Ian the old fax machine cut the bottom off the numbers on the order I sent you last year, that was F-33, not 22!!

 

(I thought it was a good deal and put it down to a strong aussie dollar) :D

 

nice 1 :)

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Just googled and read about offset centerboards. Can you speak to how you make sure the centerboard does not disturb the water flowing over the rudder?

 

Thanks.

 

And great work, Ian!

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How much are we talking for a fully kitted F334R?

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Just googled and read about offset centerboards. Can you speak to how you make sure the centerboard does not disturb the water flowing over the rudder?

 

I have been using such offset centerboards since 1976, and have never seen any sign of disturbance to the rudder. I guess you might see something if the board was only offset a few inches, but it is well out to the side and well clear of the rudder. There is also no change to the helm, from tack to tack - it feels the same on both sides.

 

Only difference would be the boat has to sail slightly better on one tack compared to the other, as the board will be slightly deeper on one side. But I have never really noticed this, and it usually seems just the same.

 

The big advantage of course is the extra room or a better interior layout for many, with a much larger table possible right in the middle, plus a board that will kick back in shallow water.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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How much are we talking for a fully kitted F334R?

 

I'd guess at 100+m lengh these trimarans get really expensive...

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Just received the latest photo of F-33 production line in Subic Bay:

 

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Meanwhile we are very busy here making the first F-33 beams (among other things), with some beam tops awaiting assembly being shown below:

 

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The first beam sets will be shipped out to the Philippines early next month.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Ian,

so you're still building the foils and folding systems bits for them then? Also any plans to license other builders?

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Ian,

 

How does the interior size compare to the F36 that I wrote the Multihulls Magazine article about? The quoted headroom looks comparable, and it only looks a bit skinnier (even the F33x) in looking at the interior layout. Headroom is getting more important to me as my tortured back gets older :)

 

She's a beauty - thanks for your hard work.

The big advantage of course is the extra room or a better interior layout for many, with a much larger table possible right in the middle, plus a board that will kick back in shallow water.

 

Ian Farrier

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Headroom should be the same as mine..... PLENTY .... Mine is the wide version ... maybe even a little wider than the new wide version...but not hundert percent sure .....got a lot more carbon in mine though for sure :-)

 

Best Thor

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Ian,

so you're still building the foils and folding systems bits for them then? Also any plans to license other builders?

 

We are building all the beams, plus the high aspect F-32SR rudder is available from us as an option. Everything else is built by Multihulls Direct who is the only builder. No plans will be available, other than those needed to assemble the kit versionss, and these will be very extensive as per usual.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Ian,

 

How does the interior size compare to the F36 that I wrote the Multihulls Magazine article about? The quoted headroom looks comparable, and it only looks a bit skinnier (even the F33x) in looking at the interior layout. Headroom is getting more important to me as my tortured back gets older :)

 

She's a beauty - thanks for your hard work.

 

 

 

The F-36 is a dedicated ocean going boat, that does not fold, and thus less subject to constraints like legally trailerable beam etc. (when folded), so it is much bigger inside. Width across widest point in the F-36 main cabin is 2.95m (9' 8") whereas it is 2.79m (9' 2") on the F-33X, and 2.4m (7' 10") on the F-33 (and older F-31). F-36 interior is shown below:

 

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The big difference however is at the waterline area where the F-33X is a big 6" (160mm) wider than the F-33, but the F-36 is a whopping 13" wider again than the F-33X.

 

Max headroom on F-36 is 1.98m (6' 6") and 1.88 - 1.93m (6' 2 to 6' 4") on the F-33 depending on interior layout. However, the F-36 headroom can be easily increased a further 4''/100mm by lowering cabin floor. It is just a much bigger boat, but one that can only be trailered by taking apart (demounted), which is a lot of work.

 

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Ian,

 

How does the interior size compare to the F36 that I wrote the Multihulls Magazine article about? The quoted headroom looks comparable, and it only looks a bit skinnier (even the F33x) in looking at the interior layout. Headroom is getting more important to me as my tortured back gets older :)

 

She's a beauty - thanks for your hard work.

The big advantage of course is the extra room or a better interior layout for many, with a much larger table possible right in the middle, plus a board that will kick back in shallow water.

 

Ian Farrier

 

Had a problem with my lower back for the last 8 years or so. Was finally told last year that this is related to my tight hamstrings. Stretching these daily, holding each stretch for 60 seconds and doing this twice per leg is helping heaps. Not all solved but that'll probably take some more stretching than I'm doing.

 

Good luck with the back and with enjoy your sailing.

 

Fish

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Had a problem with my lower back for the last 8 years or so. Was finally told last year that this is related to my tight hamstrings. Stretching these daily, holding each stretch for 60 seconds and doing this twice per leg is helping heaps. Not all solved but that'll probably take some more stretching than I'm doing.

 

Good luck with the back and with enjoy your sailing.

 

Fish

Get a foot stool and you can stretch them while watching TV. I used to pull a second chair up to my desk at work to stretch them also.

When my hamstrings tighten I have terrible problems with my lower back. I started riding a road bike around 7 years back and that

really tightens my hamstrings so I have to stretch quite a lot. No big deal if you can work it into your daily activity.

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Had a problem with my lower back for the last 8 years or so. Was finally told last year that this is related to my tight hamstrings. Stretching these daily, holding each stretch for 60 seconds and doing this twice per leg is helping heaps. Not all solved but that'll probably take some more stretching than I'm doing.

 

Good luck with the back and with enjoy your sailing.

 

Fish

Get a foot stool and you can stretch them while watching TV. I used to pull a second chair up to my desk at work to stretch them also.

When my hamstrings tighten I have terrible problems with my lower back. I started riding a road bike around 7 years back and that

really tightens my hamstrings so I have to stretch quite a lot. No big deal if you can work it into your daily activity.

 

Indeed working on stretching regularly really helps. I wish my physios and chiros had told me this years ago, guess they had to get their kids through private schooling. Took a chiro in Switzerland to be finally honest, who'd believe that????

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Took a chiro in Switzerland to be finally honest, who'd believe that????

 

Well, I would believe that, sure... ;-)

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Errr, sorry Ian from distracting the masses from your great boats. It probably will never happen again from me, probably ... :rolleyes:

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Errr, sorry Ian from distracting the masses from your great boats. It probably will never happen again from me, probably ... :rolleyes:

 

Well my wife uses the aft cabin as a seasickness cure, so why not use the boat for stretching hamstrings as well?

Plenty of deck space and sitting areas, and I'm flexible.

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An early F-33 with aft cabin

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Multihulls Direct has now moved into a larger factory, near Clark International Airport (CRK), which makes it much easier to visit, plus humidity is lower and better for construction during the summer.

 

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Boats #4 and #5 are about to be started, while here in NZ I have just finished the new mast and rig drawings, and we will be shipping the first set of F-33 beams this month.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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I was able to visit Multihull Direct's factory at Clark Field in the Philippines last week, to check out how the new F-33 was going.

 

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Six boats are currently in progress, with the first about to be delivered to a UK buyer, this having the optional kick back centerboard, which significantly opens up the interior. There is also an all carbon boat now in process, and more comprehensive details and photos for those interested are now at:

 

http://www.f-boat.com/pages/News4/F-33Update.html

 


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The first F-33 has now been shipped from Subic Bay:

 

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Packed in container and ready for doors to be shut

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Earlier and about to be disassembled

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Interior is fully formed and painted, but otherwise is bare

This boat is heading for the UK, and is a finished kit, which means hulls are finished with boat assembled and folding. It only needs the mast to be added, the deck fittings bolted on, and interior finished.

 

Next delivery is due in a couple of weeks.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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The first F-33 has now been shipped from Subic Bay:

 

attachicon.gifF-33Interior.jpg

Interior is fully formed and painted, but otherwise is bare

This boat is heading for the UK, and is a finished kit, which means hulls are finished with boat assembled and folding. It only needs the mast to be added, the deck fittings bolted on, and interior finished.

 

Next delivery is due in a couple of weeks.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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The last picture looks like it has a center board case. Is it?

 

Bill

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droooooool

 

sorry...

 

for me, motivation to have better luck in capitalism.

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The first F-33 has now been shipped from Subic Bay:

 

attachicon.gifF-33Interior.jpg

Interior is fully formed and painted, but otherwise is bare

This boat is heading for the UK, and is a finished kit, which means hulls are finished with boat assembled and folding. It only needs the mast to be added, the deck fittings bolted on, and interior finished.

 

Next delivery is due in a couple of weeks.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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The last picture looks like it has a center board case. Is it?

 

Bill

f-22#226

 

Yes, it has the kick back centerboard option, as shown below:

 

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More forgiving and safer in shallow waters, with more room inside, but not quite as efficient as the daggerboard..

 

Ian Farrier

 

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"but not quite as efficient as the daggerboard.."

 

How much less efficient is the centerboard?

 

Bill

F22#226

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"but not quite as efficient as the daggerboard.."

 

How much less efficient is the centerboard?

 

Bill

F22#226

Hard to give an exact answer as there are many factors, such as boat setup and crew skill. However, take a top crew versus an average crew, and I would say the top crew will be fastest every time, whether on centerboard boat or daggerboard boat. The slight extra drag of the longer centerboard slot would not be enough to give the average crew a big enough advantage.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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'.... the slight extra drag of the longer centerboard slot would not be enough to give the average crew a big enough advantage.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Some years back I seem to recall seeing pictures of a centreboard equipped F24 or F25? where the owner had modified the hull strip cut out to create the centrboard slot, hinged it at one end and worked out a way of automatically pivoting it down so that with the board down the slot was filled with the faired strip. When the board was raised the strip tucked above it in the centreboard case. I couldn't work out exactly how it was done at the time

 

If such a system worked reliably without jamming just when it mattered that would be very neat.

 

Best wishes

Paul

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'.... the slight extra drag of the longer centerboard slot would not be enough to give the average crew a big enough advantage.

Ian Farrier

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Some years back I seem to recall seeing pictures of a centreboard equipped F24 or F25? where the owner had modified the hull strip cut out to create the centrboard slot, hinged it at one end and worked out a way of automatically pivoting it down so that with the board down the slot was filled with the faired strip. When the board was raised the strip tucked above it in the centreboard case. I couldn't work out exactly how it was done at the time

 

If such a system worked reliably without jamming just when it mattered that would be very neat.

 

Best wishes

Paul

Complicated with a high potential for trouble and maintenance issues, and just not worth it for what is only a small amount of extra drag.

 

I have had many centerboard boats and have never bothered to do anything in this regard. Okay for a small dinghy where one can flip it over on the beach to maintain, but not something I would recommend on bigger boats.

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Just saw on the f-boat forum that hull no. 8 of the new F-33 has just been ordered.

 

"Today I placed a deposit on an F 33X .Aft cabin, centreboard option. Mine will be build No .8. "

 

Looks like there could be a good fleet of these soon. Wish my life would settle down enough so that I could order one.

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another super great weekend on my F 33 ... line honors/ overall win doesnt hurt, even if it was just a small beercan race.

than achoring out going swimming .... the lady cooked a good meal, motored back as the wind completely died, than back in the marina.... sat in cockpit with 7 peeps and emptiing almost as much bottles of wine ...

good times

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another super great weekend on my F 33 ___(insert any boat type here)___ ... line honors/ overall win doesnt hurt, even if it was just a small beercan race.

than achoring out going swimming .... the lady cooked a good meal, motored back as the wind completely died, than back in the marina.... sat in cockpit with 7 peeps and emptiing almost as much bottles of wine ...

good times

 

.........and this has what-the-fuck-all to do with the F-33???

 

Looks like somebody is trying to have their ego stroked. ;)

 

**R.T.**

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another super great weekend on my F 33 ... line honors/ overall win doesnt hurt, even if it was just a small beercan race.

than achoring out going swimming .... the lady cooked a good meal, motored back as the wind completely died, than back in the marina.... sat in cockpit with 7 peeps and emptiing almost as much bottles of wine ...

good times

 

Sounds like a great day Thor - and just what sailing is supposed to be all about - relaxing, having fun, and enjoying the day.

 

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Another original F-33 cruising on Lake Huron

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Latest update from Ian Farrier.

 

http://www.f-boat.com/pages/News5/F-33Update4.html

 

This makes me absolutely wishing I would settle down so that I could invest in an F-33 like this.

 

Anyway, just have to keep dreaming and waiting.

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pretty sweet....indeed

couple of nice ideas in the new 33 which I like a lot ...

than I am partial about my designated ( private ) restroom ... and my big hanging locker next to the entrance ...

:-)

 

thor

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yeah, something about sleeping with your head a couple feet away from the head....

 

 

But, while small tris are constrained down below, up above is quite impressive.

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another super great weekend on my F 33 ___(insert any boat type here)___ ... line honors/ overall win doesnt hurt, even if it was just a small beercan race.

than achoring out going swimming .... the lady cooked a good meal, motored back as the wind completely died, than back in the marina.... sat in cockpit with 7 peeps and emptiing almost as much bottles of wine ...

good times

.........and this has what-the-fuck-all to do with the F-33???

 

Looks like somebody is trying to have their ego stroked. ;)

 

**R.T.**

I thought it was a good post - not being overly familiar with the boat.

- good sailor

- big enough down below to prepare a nice meal

- big enough above for lots of people.

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Quietly and with not much fanfare, building a good product and selling boats good luck to them.

Getting ready for F22 production over there? Sensible if so.

Evil

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Looks like a perfect little boat. I owned an early F27 and lived aboard while cruising the Bahamas singlehanded in 1989 and 1990. It was a splendid way to travel. A few years later I bought an F31. It was built in OZ also very nice.

Even though I currently have a large monohull I still my my fold-up tri. I shall never forget blasting across the Gulfstream between Florida and Bahamas at 18 kts in perfect comfort.

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Looks like a perfect little boat. I owned an early F27 and lived aboard while cruising the Bahamas singlehanded in 1989 and 1990. It was a splendid way to travel. A few years later I bought an F31. It was built in OZ also very nice.

Even though I currently have a large monohull I still my my fold-up tri. I shall never forget blasting across the Gulfstream between Florida and Bahamas at 18 kts in perfect comfort.

 

 

excellent! Congrats to Mr. Farrier and the factory!

 

Jhiller - I wondered about spartan cruising over there. I presume you took very little gear. How tough was it to handle things like freshwater/ food stowage?

 

I have it in my head that a trip with a similar sized boat would make a great mothership for a bonefish expedition in Andros....

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paxfish

 

The F 27 held everything I needed or wanted even a Avon Redcrest dink, a 2 hp motor, fishing gear, snorkel stuff and spears for fishing. I carried food but fish and conch were so plentiful that I barely used any of my stores.

I fitted a solar panel on a stalk on the transom and it easily handled the smallest PUR water-maker. I never once had to go to a dock to add H2O. I carried a few spare jerry cans of gasoline .

Truth is I never filled all of the available spaces. I did adhere to Ian’s recommendation not to put more than 35 lbs of stuff in each ama.

often I would just beach the tri on a uninhabited Cay or throw an anchor on the beach.

It was an amazing way to while away some time and a perfect way to explore the Abacos and Bahamas .

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jhiller, sounds like an amazing trip. Thanks for sharing the details.

 

Now to boost the savings for the F33

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