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USA 17 Lives!??

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Stopped by Pier 80 this morning and saw a crew of 6 guys and a lot of equipment working on USA 17. Looks like they were refinishing the cross members with wire wheels and sanders. Wonder what the plan is? She's stripped, and would take a lot of work to float again (or even display). Wonder what Larry's up to?

One of the guys lowered his hazmat suit to take of his jacket. Underneath, he had the Oracle team jacket and shirt. Even the guys pulling weeds in front of the facility had the same get up, jacket, white suit and all!

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That is great news, can't see them doing anything to her unless it was to sail her or maybe just show her off a bit somewhere. Unfortunately they could just put her on display somewhere in the village/ parks.

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I wonder how she would do up against these foiling 72s. I'm sure in light wind she would take them, but if it was up around 12-15 knts???

 

There has been lots of talk that she remains a DoG killer, but you have to wonder if she is obsolete now, too, given foiling. It would be interesting to see what would come up in a new DoG match.

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I wonder how she would do up against these foiling 72s. I'm sure in light wind she would take them, but if it was up around 12-15 knts???

 

There has been lots of talk that she remains a DoG killer, but you have to wonder if she is obsolete now, too, given foiling. It would be interesting to see what would come up in a new DoG match.

She'd might have a chance upwind. Downwind, no way. If it got to be 20 knots, she'd probably disintegrate.

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Maybe they'll spruce her up and move her over to Pier 27.

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Take the spare AC72 boards and get it foiling in the bay!

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where's the wing?

 

gotta say, it would be incredible to see her out there again. how big would the daggerboard foils need to be to lift her out?

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where's the wing?

 

gotta say, it would be incredible to see her out there again. how big would the daggerboard foils need to be to lift her out?

It's in the building. You can see it in various shots of the indoors...they use it as a roof over offices, the workout area, etc.

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So glad I got here first.... really getting the jump on the NZ crowd! So, with no further ado, let me be the first to say:

 

"ITS A SURROGATE! THEY CAN'T SAIL 17.2 NOW! CHEEEEEAATING!"

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So glad I got here first.... really getting the jump on the NZ crowd! So, with no further ado, let me be the first to say:

 

"ITS A SURROGATE! THEY CAN'T SAIL 17.2 NOW! CHEEEEEAATING!"

 

To late! They're all ready working on her! Chant with me "3 yachts! 3 yachts!" :lol:

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How many damn people in the Oracle team that they can spread themselves out over three boats and so many projects?

 

So glad I got here first.... really getting the jump on the NZ crowd! So, with no further ado, let me be the first to say:

 

"ITS A SURROGATE! THEY CAN'T SAIL 17.2 NOW! CHEEEEEAATING!"

 

To late! They're all ready working on her! Chant with me "3 yachts! 3 yachts!" :lol:

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Yeah...and they were launching the 72 on the other side of the building, so it's not like it was a lay day! Deep, Deep pockets that Larry!

 

How many damn people in the Oracle team that they can spread themselves out over three boats and so many projects?

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Clearly they are prepping her for display somewhere. Its said she is destined for the lake in front of the Oracle headquarters, but it would make more sense to find somewhere to place her during the AC on the waterfront like KZ-1, then send her to the lake.

 

As for sailing her again, no chance. She has been sitting on the hard, in the elements to long. Also, that last soft rig was sold wasn't it? And OR has to much on their hands with the AC72's to mess with mounting that huge wing again. That, and they couldn't get that wing under the bay bridge anyway. Hell even with a soft rig she couldn't get under the bay bridge probably. so whats the point?

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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In addition she was built for the light winds of Valencia and would likely not survive a sail I'm San Francisco.

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Maybe Rita wants it?

Surely wants it a lot more than the one she has.

 

But that isn't much.

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Maybe Rita wants it?

Surely wants it a lot more than the one she has.

 

But that isn't much.

Very good! Was hoping some soul with a sense of humor would respond to the joke - thnx.

 

The timing suggests it's more likely headed to P27 for now than to Oracle HQ for permanently; and I hope it too, it's a stellar boat for a display. And yes, it being a Cup Winner helps the look too :)

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

 

Tried to fish the lagoon. After casting a line, Oracle security guards came and chased me away.

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That is great news, can't see them doing anything to her unless it was to sail her or maybe just show her off a bit somewhere. Unfortunately they could just put her on display somewhere in the village/ parks.

 

maybe larry will take her out for the fleet race :)

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

 

Tried to fish the lagoon. After casting a line, Oracle security guards came and chased me away.

USA-71 is in the lagoon. USA-76 is available for charter on SF Bay.

 

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

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MM isn't going to like this. He was ridiculing the idea a few weeks ago. :-)

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

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MM isn't going to like this. He was ridiculing the idea a few weeks ago. :-)

 

I'll believe it when I see it but if it does happen I plan on being there to take pictures.

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

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MM isn't going to like this. He was ridiculing the idea a few weeks ago. :-)

pretty sure that was because someone (you?) said it was supposedly on route to the lake that day or thereabouts. MM merely confirmed it was not there.

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I just hope it's not getting the sawzall and grinders. It's got to cost a small fortune to keep that thing while it decomposes.

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Transpac :D

 

naw, did they actually get rid of that soft rig though? the Craigslist post was pretty funny, but i wonder if there were any takers.

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IIRC they moved the mast step for the wing. Even if they still had the soft rig, they couldn't sail with it.

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

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MM isn't going to like this. He was ridiculing the idea a few weeks ago. :-)

 

I'll believe it when I see it but if it does happen I plan on being there to take pictures.

If it were to happen, and we were to get enough notice, I could see if we could borrow a launch from the Stanford boathouse as I'm pretty sure they will float it up the slough.

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I know this will rile SWS but they don't have all the pieces or even know where they are.

A lot of team members took souviners home with them after AC33.

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

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MM isn't going to like this. He was ridiculing the idea a few weeks ago. :-)

 

I'll believe it when I see it but if it does happen I plan on being there to take pictures.

If it were to happen, and we were to get enough notice, I could see if we could borrow a launch from the Stanford boathouse as I'm pretty sure they will float it up the slough.

 

Won't fit, I sail/kyak those waters often.

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I quote: "it would take millions to get her sailing again"

 

edit: kind of like the old battleships back in the 80's that had been mothballed from WWII. Millions to get them commisioned again.

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got a PM that 2 / AC-45 Wings shall be fitted out & Foils added

 

For the World's "Radio Controlled" Speed record ;)

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The only way I found that water get into the lagoon was through a grated storm drain. No way they are going to sail/float anything into it.

 

It will have to be trucked down, which will be a BIG mess on the highway.

 

If you don't know, Oracle sits on part of the old theme park, Marine World Africa USA.

 

I think the lagoon was the big fountain pond by the entrance or was it where they had the dolphin show?

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Since A5 was lifted over the Swiss and Italian Alps with a helicopter, I don't see why they couldn't float USA-17 down off of Redwood Shores and then use a helicopter to fly it along the slough. That way they wouldn't have to fly over anything inhabited But whatever happens, it will be awhile (after AC34 is done).

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Selfish request for those that say they pass by Oracle HQ all the time. Can someone get a shot of the deck layout of USA-71? I can't help but notice the dock that goes right up to the boat. There was talk during the LV Pacific Series from some AC32 teams about how they were surprised by the detail in the BMWO boats, primarily in the cockpit. I have a thing for the IACC boats, and it would be nice to see some detail shots of the cockpit layout.

 

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If I am asking to much, don't sweat it. Doesn't hurt to ask though. ;)

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Will be in San Fran for the AC and seeing this in the flesh somewhere whilst in the US is high on the list of must sees! Hope it will be displayed somewhere accesible??? Cheers.

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Since A5 was lifted over the Swiss and Italian Alps with a helicopter, I don't see why they couldn't float USA-17 down off of Redwood Shores and then use a helicopter to fly it along the slough. That way they wouldn't have to fly over anything inhabited But whatever happens, it will be awhile (after AC34 is done).

 

The FAA would probably have some serious questions about that plan.

 

Redwood Shores is directly under the final approach to San Francisco International Airport.

 

There is also a general aviation airport, San Carlos Airport, right next to the slough.

 

From the slough to "Larry's Lake", the flight would only have to cover a little over a mile.

 

But the flight path would be over either homes that cost over $900,000, or the Electronic Arts campus and the Sofitel Hotel. The insurance premium would be prohibitive even for someone as wealthy as Larry Ellison.

 

It's only about 20 miles from Pier 80 to Oracle via the highway. It would be much easier and cheaper to put the boat on a trailer at 1am with a bunch of pilot cars and a CHP escort.

 

...........................................

 

 

Selfish request for those that say they pass by Oracle HQ all the time. Can someone get a shot of the deck layout of USA-71? I can't help but notice the dock that goes right up to the boat. There was talk during the LV Pacific Series from some AC32 teams about how they were surprised by the detail in the BMWO boats, primarily in the cockpit. I have a thing for the IACC boats, and it would be nice to see some detail shots of the cockpit layout.

 

34fnxb5.jpg

 

If I am asking to much, don't sweat it. Doesn't hurt to ask though. ;)

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

I'll be having lunch at the Oracle Campus next week and should be able to take a picture of the deck layout. By the way, the Oracle campus has some really good food.

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Why can't they donate Dogzilla to the smithsonian or somewhere like that where they will preserve it for all time?

It is after all an important piece of cup history

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That thing would look big in that lagoon. And It would be a little naked without the wing, no?

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It was offered to the Smithsonian. They declined the gift.

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Since A5 was lifted over the Swiss and Italian Alps with a helicopter, I don't see why they couldn't float USA-17 down off of Redwood Shores and then use a helicopter to fly it along the slough. That way they wouldn't have to fly over anything inhabited But whatever happens, it will be awhile (after AC34 is done).

 

The FAA would probably have some serious questions about that plan.

 

Redwood Shores is directly under the final approach to San Francisco International Airport.

 

There is also a general aviation airport, San Carlos Airport, right next to the slough.

 

From the slough to "Larry's Lake", the flight would only have to cover a little over a mile.

 

But the flight path would be over either homes that cost over $900,000, or the Electronic Arts campus and the Sofitel Hotel. The insurance premium would be prohibitive even for someone as wealthy as Larry Ellison.

 

It's only about 20 miles from Pier 80 to Oracle via the highway. It would be much easier and cheaper to put the boat on a trailer at 1am with a bunch of pilot cars and a CHP escort.

 

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>>>Selfish request for those that say they pass by Oracle HQ all the time. Can someone get a shot of the deck layout of USA-71? I can't help but notice the dock that goes right up to the boat. There was talk during the LV Pacific Series from some AC32 teams about how they were surprised by the detail in the BMWO boats, primarily in the cockpit. I have a thing for the IACC boats, and it would be nice to see some detail shots of the cockpit layout.

 

34fnxb5.jpg

 

If I am asking to much, don't sweat it. Doesn't hurt to ask though. ;)

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

I'll be having lunch at the Oracle Campus next week and should be able to take a picture of the deck layout. By the way, the Oracle campus has some really good food.

 

Your orientation is a bit off on the sloughs. Check out a map. The San Carlos Airport Slough starts at Pete's Harbor, and barely gets to redwood shores. And gets waaay too shallow to even get within a mile. The slough you are looking for starts close to the base of the San Mateo Bridge, and literally goes up to the parking lot at Oracle. My guesstimate is that from this slough to the lagoon is only 500 feet. As I said previously, we used to Row our shells out into the bay from Redwood city, and land right there at Oracle and walk them across the street to the race course which is in the Sofitel's lagoon.

 

DZ will never get on the road anywhere unless they cut her up. She is way too wide for any road south. The only way is helicopter hoist, or set up a massive crane in the Oracle parking lot and pluck her from the Slough... roll across the parking lot, and crane it in the lagoon.

 

I think the latter is the likely option as I agree that flying it any distance would not only be expensive, but risky and difficult from a regulatory point of view. What I don't know however is if the slough is deep enough at high tide for the boats that would be needed along with DZ, and secondly, if it is wide enough. Actually it is surely deep enough. Our coaches launches came along with us, and that is all they would need. But width? There are some tight spots but I would bet it would work. Finally, don't know enough about he config at the Oracle parking, and the reach of large cranes. But I'd still bet this is the easiest way. Just still not easy. Or maybe heli the 500 feet from this slough to the lagoon? This would only be over Oracle property only.

 

My main point is really that if Larry wants it in the lagoon, he'll have it in the lagoon. Mother nature is providing a helping slough.

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They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

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They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

 

 

Vandal !

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If we have a Indian Summer in September she might be the only thing moving! Maybe that's the plan! :P

In addition she was built for the light winds of Valencia and would likely not survive a sail I'm San Francisco.

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It will have to be trucked down, which will be a BIG mess on the highway.

With a beam of 90 feet? I'll say! How would you even get to the highway?

Bet they float her South and call for the sky hook. I doubt FAA clearance will be a problem for Ellison, if he wants it.

First, I'm guessing they float her North and display her at the Cup.

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Lagoon certainly looks big enough, could sail some F18s in there:

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It will have to be trucked down, which will be a BIG mess on the highway.

With a beam of 90 feet? I'll say! How would you even get to the highway?

Bet they float her South and call for the sky hook. I doubt FAA clearance will be a problem for Ellison, if he wants it.

First, I'm guessing they float her North and display her at the Cup.

Did you know that he was kicked out of San Jose International for repeated noise complaints? He moved his big airplane operations to another field a little less suburban. You can't buy the FAA, at least not here in the Bay Area.

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Selfish request for those that say they pass by Oracle HQ all the time. Can someone get a shot of the deck layout of USA-71? I can't help but notice the dock that goes right up to the boat. There was talk during the LV Pacific Series from some AC32 teams about how they were surprised by the detail in the BMWO boats, primarily in the cockpit. I have a thing for the IACC boats, and it would be nice to see some detail shots of the cockpit layout.

 

34fnxb5.jpg

 

If I am asking to much, don't sweat it. Doesn't hurt to ask though. ;)

 

WetHog :ph34r:

those old lead mines are still bad-ass boats

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They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

Bullcrap. It deserves the same standing as KZ1 in downtown Auckland. I still love seeing KZ1 there, I think of the DoG vision of that challenge (and how DC choked on a matching response :)) more especially I re-run in my head the design and build achievement for the times - it was done in months, worlds first really big carbon mast, ...., ...., .... Can't remember if DU went into the keel bulb. The Big Boat challenge was a complete ambush on the comfortable NYC inherited status quo and legit too

 

USA17 had the same effect on me when she appeared - scaled up radical extremo - awesome. Both DoG challenges were literal AC game changers in what followed them. Definitely worth keeping in a worthy manner. Maybe the wing could be given a plastic shell and laid along side.

 

btw, KZ1 and USA17 have something else in common - they would both fall to pieces in a SF afternoon sail

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The difference between the oracle eyesore and your mr Fay white icon eyesore is that dogzilla is a "winner".

 

Why do you folks idolize that loser boat?

 

 

They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

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The difference between the oracle eyesore and your mr Fay white icon eyesore is that dogzilla is a "winner".

 

Why do you folks idolize that loser boat?

 

 

They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

 

No beef in this, I'm not a Kiwi, but while that boat may have lost, it wasn't in a fair fight.

 

Legal, ok, but not fair...

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The difference between the oracle eyesore and your mr Fay white icon eyesore is that dogzilla is a "winner".

 

Why do you folks idolize that loser boat?

 

 

 

 

They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

 

No beef in this, I'm not a Kiwi, but while that boat may have lost, it wasn't in a fair fight.

 

Legal, ok, but not fair...

 

so the Dogzilla win must be less fair because Bertarelli received a worse beat down/buttfuck (time) than the kiwi's did.

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KZ1 is a beautiful boat and a great addition to the Viaduct. Hated watching the Match, but a piece on NZ maritime history.

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You guys have some boats that have won.

 

Get rid of that shit and put something worthy there.

KZ1 is a beautiful boat and a great addition to the Viaduct. Hated watching the Match, but a piece on NZ maritime history.

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The difference between the oracle eyesore and your mr Fay white icon eyesore is that dogzilla is a "winner".

 

Why do you folks idolize that loser boat?

 

 

 

They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

No beef in this, I'm not a Kiwi, but while that boat may have lost, it wasn't in a fair fight.

 

Legal, ok, but not fair...

 

so the Dogzilla win must be less fair because Bertarelli received a worse beat down/buttfuck (time) than the kiwi's did.

 

Worse maybe, but it was in a fair fight...

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Kiwi mantra; "it wasn't a fair fight".

 

 

 

 

The difference between the oracle eyesore and your mr Fay white icon eyesore is that dogzilla is a "winner".

Why do you folks idolize that loser boat?


They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...


No beef in this, I'm not a Kiwi, but while that boat may have lost, it wasn't in a fair fight.

Legal, ok, but not fair...


so the Dogzilla win must be less fair because Bertarelli received a worse beat down/buttfuck (time) than the kiwi's did.

 

Worse maybe, but it was in a fair fight...

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The difference between the oracle eyesore and your mr Fay white icon eyesore is that dogzilla is a "winner".

 

Why do you folks idolize that loser boat?

 

 

They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

 

Meh, I love the outcome of that AC DoG match, but I still love KZ1. I thought it beautiful, and fun to watch sail.

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Lagoon certainly looks big enough, could sail some F18s in there:

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And a nice pic of the slough they would use... but it is at low tide in this picture so it isn't obvious. Seems it would actually be easy to have a crane pick it up, drive across the parking lot and crane it into the lagoon.

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FINN

You'd better go get a look at DG,see how big she really is. No way your scenario would work.

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FINN

You'd better go get a look at DG,see how big she really is. No way your scenario would work.

 

Yes and, frankly, it would not look good in that lagoon.

 

So very hard to know what to do with it.

 

Could it be parked somewhere near the big Howard Hughes aircraft? Or is there a waterfront location? Like KZ1 in Akld - which works well - and is quite a tourist attraction.

 

Larry likes Japanese forms of parsimony. This pretty well rules out putting more old boats in the lagoon.

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The San Diego Maritime Museum is well organised.

 

And has several historic vessels.

 

So, DZ to the embarcadero in SD.

 

Ship it down there, crane it onto land and bob's your uncle!

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You'd better go get a look at DG,see how big she really is. No way your scenario would work.

I've seen it. Up close at P80, and rigged in SD.

 

What part wouldn't work? The slough, or the crane? Remember, cranes can be had that lift the roof onto arenas in one piece. Check out this video of one failing in order to see the scale... and this is much heavier. (failure was due to wind)

 

 

The Slough... I certainly don't have measurements, but an 8 man shell is almost 70 feet long and it had no issues length wise. Width wise, we're only about 40feet, but we never were in any trouble at high tide, and they would always be able to rock the boat toward one ama to gain clearance making them an effective 45 feet wide. The shores of the slough are all swamp and very flat by nature. My money is still on this approach though I'm not sure whether a heli would be easier for the final 500 feet.

 

As for whether he should do this... That I don't know. I don't think the thing looks that great without the rig up anyway, so unless it has at least a mast, I don't think it should be in the lagoon. I do think the lagoon could be reconfigured for it to fit by moving the fountain but design aesthetics are not my thing. But it sure fits.

 

Without rig, I'd prefer to see it on pier 27 behind the arena so you could walk around under it like KZ1.

 

But after the AC where? DZ is really a white elephant if no perpetual AC location exists. It takes a about a quarter acre just to place on ground. That aint cheap in the bay area.

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I got the perfect place to display USA-17:

 

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Place the boat on the flight deck and the wing on the hanger deck so it can't fly away. ;)

 

Got to be easier than slopping threw a slough.

 

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Since A5 was lifted over the Swiss and Italian Alps with a helicopter, I don't see why they couldn't float USA-17 down off of Redwood Shores and then use a helicopter to fly it along the slough. That way they wouldn't have to fly over anything inhabited But whatever happens, it will be awhile (after AC34 is done).

 

The FAA would probably have some serious questions about that plan.

 

Redwood Shores is directly under the final approach to San Francisco International Airport.

 

There is also a general aviation airport, San Carlos Airport, right next to the slough.

 

From the slough to "Larry's Lake", the flight would only have to cover a little over a mile.

 

But the flight path would be over either homes that cost over $900,000, or the Electronic Arts campus and the Sofitel Hotel. The insurance premium would be prohibitive even for someone as wealthy as Larry Ellison.

 

It's only about 20 miles from Pier 80 to Oracle via the highway. It would be much easier and cheaper to put the boat on a trailer at 1am with a bunch of pilot cars and a CHP escort.

 

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>>Selfish request for those that say they pass by Oracle HQ all the time. Can someone get a shot of the deck layout of USA-71? I can't help but notice the dock that goes right up to the boat. There was talk during the LV Pacific Series from some AC32 teams about how they were surprised by the detail in the BMWO boats, primarily in the cockpit. I have a thing for the IACC boats, and it would be nice to see some detail shots of the cockpit layout.

 

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If I am asking to much, don't sweat it. Doesn't hurt to ask though. ;)

 

WetHog :ph34r:

 

I'll be having lunch at the Oracle Campus next week and should be able to take a picture of the deck layout. By the way, the Oracle campus has some really good food.

 

 

the dock isn't physically obstructed, but it is covered by a sensor network. Security would be dispatched,

 

Oracle OpenWorld is at the end of September. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 45, 72, and DZ displayed somewhere for that.

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Kiwi mantra; "it wasn't a fair fight".

 

 

 

so the Dogzilla win must be less fair because Bertarelli received a worse beat down/buttfuck (time) than the kiwi's did.

 

Worse maybe, but it was in a fair fight...

As opposed to the amerikan bully mantra of "overwhelming force" ?? That did you a lot of good in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia.....

 

Try to wrap your moonshine-soaked mush around the concept of fairness which requires equal treatment for all parties, not load the dice in favour of one. Or abiding by the rules everyone else does...Or more topical, not attempting to change the rules after everyone else had designed their AC72s.

 

You're welcome.

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Kiwi mantra; "it wasn't a fair fight".

 

 

 

so the Dogzilla win must be less fair because Bertarelli received a worse beat down/buttfuck (time) than the kiwi's did.

 

Worse maybe, but it was in a fair fight...

As opposed to the amerikan bully mantra of "overwhelming force" ?? That did you a lot of good in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia.....

 

Try to wrap your moonshine-soaked mush around the concept of fairness which requires equal treatment for all parties, not load the dice in favour of one. Or abiding by the rules everyone else does...Or more topical, not attempting to change the rules after everyone else had designed their AC72s.

 

You're welcome.

 

So your upset the Americans don't "play down" to their kiwi/third world opponents?

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I wasn't implying he would buy them. He does have considerable political muscle (not enough to ignore public complaints about his jet) and it's not that big a deal. The entire flight (from the South Bay) would probably take 5 minutes including pick up and drop off. Here is Slow Speed Chase (sadly) flying INTO Half Moon Bay airport. Sure.... much smaller boat and airport, but she's flying into the Airport. There are plenty of periods during the day at SFO when nothing lands for 15 minutes or more (if it would even be an issue). http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/raw-video-newschopper-2-footage-of-low-speed-chase/vG2tk/

 

 

It will have to be trucked down, which will be a BIG mess on the highway.

With a beam of 90 feet? I'll say! How would you even get to the highway?

Bet they float her South and call for the sky hook. I doubt FAA clearance will be a problem for Ellison, if he wants it.

First, I'm guessing they float her North and display her at the Cup.

Did you know that he was kicked out of San Jose International for repeated noise complaints? He moved his big airplane operations to another field a little less suburban. You can't buy the FAA, at least not here in the Bay Area.

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You'd better go get a look at DG,see how big she really is. No way your scenario would work.

 

Yes and, frankly, it would not look good in that lagoon.

 

So very hard to know what to do with it.

 

Could it be parked somewhere near the big Howard Hughes aircraft? Or is there a waterfront location? Like KZ1 in Akld - which works well - and is quite a tourist attraction.

 

Larry likes Japanese forms of parsimony. This pretty well rules out putting more old boats in the lagoon.

The Spruce Goose is in McMinnville OR. Here is how it got there from Long Beach:

 

"The Spruce Goose was disassembled at the Dome in Long Beach, California and transported on an ocean barge up the West Coast to Portland via the Columbia River. Once in Portland, it was transported by smaller barges on the Willamette River to a spot three miles from the Museum. From there it was slowly transported by truck to the Museum restoration facility, where it was prepped to go on display in the new Aviation Museum building in 2001."

 

While McMinnville is not far from the "Silicon Forest" of Hillsboro/Beaverton, I do not see LE sending his baby there. More importantly, I do not see him now taking 17 apart, like they did with the Spruce Goose.

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While McMinnville is not far from the "Silicon Forest" of Hillsboro/Beaverton, I do not see LE sending his baby there. More importantly, I do not see him now taking 17 apart, like they did with the Spruce Goose.

 

Yes, understandable!

 

So what about the San Diego Maritime Museum?

 

DZ has SD connections and navy boffins behind that museum could surely get something going.

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Lagoon certainly looks big enough, could sail some F18s in there:

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And a nice pic of the slough they would use... but it is at low tide in this picture so it isn't obvious. Seems it would actually be easy to have a crane pick it up, drive across the parking lot and crane it into the lagoon.

 

The problem with that idea is where do you find a mobile crane that can pick up 20 tons at a reach of about 60 feet and then drive across the car park ???

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90 feet long. 90 feet wide. Same dimensions as a baseball infield.

 

Put it on display at the ballpark.

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I'll go where she is just to pay homage and see her with my own eyes! but I do hope she is on display at the AC! and somewhere permanent afterwards.

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Lagoon certainly looks big enough, could sail some F18s in there:

3268427898_e4948f56b5_o.jpg

And a nice pic of the slough they would use... but it is at low tide in this picture so it isn't obvious. Seems it would actually be easy to have a crane pick it up, drive across the parking lot and crane it into the lagoon.

 

The problem with that idea is where do you find a mobile crane that can pick up 20 tons at a reach of about 60 feet and then drive across the car park ???

No disrespect intended, but you obviously have never had to move heavy equipment. Cranes are available to do hundreds of tons. We used to move extrusion presses from the rail spur to the factory floor across some pretty interesting features. These things weigh 100s of tons. Remember, a standard container crane routinely does 20 tons and is often driven around the hard like a cowboy herding cattle... at least in 3rd world countries where I come from.

 

And I don't think DZ weighs 20 tons, but don't want to bother to look it up.

 

If the features to be traversed are too "interesting", then you lift the load, rotate the crane, place the load, move the crane, repeat... as many times as necessary. As for the comment about it being as large as an infield, check the vid I posted above. Seems about the size.

 

But for kicks, I just looked at the google image to refresh my memory of the place, and I would guess they would float it all the way to Marine Parkway where we would offload, Put their crawler crane on Marine Parkway at 1AM (with permit in hand)... Hoist it, slowly drive down until parallel with the lagoon and drop it in. There may be trees in the way so this may not be possible, but barring that, technically it would be pretty straightforward. If not, pick and plant across their own parking lot.

 

Anyway, I assure you, a good rigger can do it. You just gotta pay.

 

Link below is of the google image to show you have straightforward the path could be. Just don't know the obstacles. Big square of water across the street is the final 500m of the rowing racecourse. But rowing hasn't the intrigue to talk about. And remember, the pic is at low tide.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?app=galleryℑ=3350

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They should just chop it into pieces and dump it. After all, it's served its purpose and has no real sentimental or some other esoteric value. It's become a frankenstein eyesore...

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Selfish request for those that say they pass by Oracle HQ all the time. Can someone get a shot of the deck layout of USA-71? I can't help but notice the dock that goes right up to the boat. There was talk during the LV Pacific Series from some AC32 teams about how they were surprised by the detail in the BMWO boats, primarily in the cockpit. I have a thing for the IACC boats, and it would be nice to see some detail shots of the cockpit layout.

 

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If I am asking to much, don't sweat it. Doesn't hurt to ask though. ;)

 

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those old lead mines are still bad-ass boats

unleaded now

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Lagoon certainly looks big enough, could sail some F18s in there:

3268427898_e4948f56b5_o.jpg

And a nice pic of the slough they would use... but it is at low tide in this picture so it isn't obvious. Seems it would actually be easy to have a crane pick it up, drive across the parking lot and crane it into the lagoon.

 

The problem with that idea is where do you find a mobile crane that can pick up 20 tons at a reach of about 60 feet and then drive across the car park ???

No disrespect intended, but you obviously have never had to move heavy equipment. Cranes are available to do hundreds of tons. We used to move extrusion presses from the rail spur to the factory floor across some pretty interesting features. These things weigh 100s of tons. Remember, a standard container crane routinely does 20 tons and is often driven around the hard like a cowboy herding cattle... at least in 3rd world countries where I come from.

 

And I don't think DZ weighs 20 tons, but don't want to bother to look it up.

 

If the features to be traversed are too "interesting", then you lift the load, rotate the crane, place the load, move the crane, repeat... as many times as necessary. As for the comment about it being as large as an infield, check the vid I posted above. Seems about the size.

 

But for kicks, I just looked at the google image to refresh my memory of the place, and I would guess they would float it all the way to Marine Parkway where we would offload, Put their crawler crane on Marine Parkway at 1AM (with permit in hand)... Hoist it, slowly drive down until parallel with the lagoon and drop it in. There may be trees in the way so this may not be possible, but barring that, technically it would be pretty straightforward. If not, pick and plant across their own parking lot.

 

Anyway, I assure you, a good rigger can do it. You just gotta pay.

 

Link below is of the google image to show you have straightforward the path could be. Just don't know the obstacles. Big square of water across the street is the final 500m of the rowing racecourse. But rowing hasn't the intrigue to talk about. And remember, the pic is at low tide.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?app=galleryℑ=3350

Playstation/Cheyene was a pick and place. move crane. pick and place http://goo.gl/maps/YwOCf

 

I like the USS Hornet idea

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And a nice pic of the slough they would use... but it is at low tide in this picture so it isn't obvious. Seems it would actually be easy to have a crane pick it up, drive across the parking lot and crane it into the lagoon.

 

The problem with that idea is where do you find a mobile crane that can pick up 20 tons at a reach of about 60 feet and then drive across the car park ???

No disrespect intended, but you obviously have never had to move heavy equipment. Cranes are available to do hundreds of tons. We used to move extrusion presses from the rail spur to the factory floor across some pretty interesting features. These things weigh 100s of tons. Remember, a standard container crane routinely does 20 tons and is often driven around the hard like a cowboy herding cattle... at least in 3rd world countries where I come from.

 

And I don't think DZ weighs 20 tons, but don't want to bother to look it up.

 

If the features to be traversed are too "interesting", then you lift the load, rotate the crane, place the load, move the crane, repeat... as many times as necessary. As for the comment about it being as large as an infield, check the vid I posted above. Seems about the size.

 

But for kicks, I just looked at the google image to refresh my memory of the place, and I would guess they would float it all the way to Marine Parkway where we would offload, Put their crawler crane on Marine Parkway at 1AM (with permit in hand)... Hoist it, slowly drive down until parallel with the lagoon and drop it in. There may be trees in the way so this may not be possible, but barring that, technically it would be pretty straightforward. If not, pick and plant across their own parking lot.

 

Anyway, I assure you, a good rigger can do it. You just gotta pay.

 

Link below is of the google image to show you have straightforward the path could be. Just don't know the obstacles. Big square of water across the street is the final 500m of the rowing racecourse. But rowing hasn't the intrigue to talk about. And remember, the pic is at low tide.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?app=galleryℑ=3350

 

I am not saying that the move can't be done .. I am questioning the use of a mobile crane to transport the 115'x90' tri across the carpark .. You would need a mobile crane with a boom of the order of 200' just to get the hook in place ..

 

It is not a heavy lift but it is a big lift and would require a big crane if you were to try and move it the way you suggest ..

 

I suppose the move could be done with two smaller cranes which would not need the big reach ..

 

The AC72's have trolleys which can be pushed about .. I presume DZ has one too .. so why not just push it across the car park ??

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I dunno what they could do with DZ but I do think it would be a shame for it to be cut up.

Hornet seems like a good idea but not sure that AC stuff should go with war stuff.

 

For all I hate Fay, I love KZ1.

But we really should have NZL62 (? can't even remember the number, the successful defender) somewhere public instead of doing charters in Spain or wherever it is.

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And a nice pic of the slough they would use... but it is at low tide in this picture so it isn't obvious. Seems it would actually be easy to have a crane pick it up, drive across the parking lot and crane it into the lagoon.

 

The problem with that idea is where do you find a mobile crane that can pick up 20 tons at a reach of about 60 feet and then drive across the car park ???

No disrespect intended, but you obviously have never had to move heavy equipment. Cranes are available to do hundreds of tons. We used to move extrusion presses from the rail spur to the factory floor across some pretty interesting features. These things weigh 100s of tons. Remember, a standard container crane routinely does 20 tons and is often driven around the hard like a cowboy herding cattle... at least in 3rd world countries where I come from.

 

And I don't think DZ weighs 20 tons, but don't want to bother to look it up.

 

If the features to be traversed are too "interesting", then you lift the load, rotate the crane, place the load, move the crane, repeat... as many times as necessary. As for the comment about it being as large as an infield, check the vid I posted above. Seems about the size.

 

But for kicks, I just looked at the google image to refresh my memory of the place, and I would guess they would float it all the way to Marine Parkway where we would offload, Put their crawler crane on Marine Parkway at 1AM (with permit in hand)... Hoist it, slowly drive down until parallel with the lagoon and drop it in. There may be trees in the way so this may not be possible, but barring that, technically it would be pretty straightforward. If not, pick and plant across their own parking lot.

 

Anyway, I assure you, a good rigger can do it. You just gotta pay.

 

Link below is of the google image to show you have straightforward the path could be. Just don't know the obstacles. Big square of water across the street is the final 500m of the rowing racecourse. But rowing hasn't the intrigue to talk about. And remember, the pic is at low tide.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?app=galleryℑ=3350

 

I am not saying that the move can't be done .. I am questioning the use of a mobile crane to transport the 115'x90' tri across the carpark .. You would need a mobile crane with a boom of the order of 200' just to get the hook in place ..

 

It is not a heavy lift but it is a big lift and would require a big crane if you were to try and move it the way you suggest ..

 

I suppose the move could be done with two smaller cranes which would not need the big reach ..

 

The AC72's have trolleys which can be pushed about .. I presume DZ has one too .. so why not just push it across the car park ??

The only reason you would use a crane is to avoid having to take down features like trees etc. If you could roll it, you would. As for 200' reach, even that could be done, but in this case would not be needed. The end of the slough has a flat park area they could use to park the crane.

 

But yes, takes big equipment.

 

Since when does the need for big equipment stop Larry from doing anything?

 

Love thinking about this, and not what has me in this hotel!

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Displacement 17 Tons

Mast weight 3.5 Tons

Wing weight 7700 Pounds (3.85 tons)

And of course....the motorized winches and rigging must weigh a couple of pounds!

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I dunno what they could do with DZ but I do think it would be a shame for it to be cut up.

Hornet seems like a good idea but not sure that AC stuff should go with war stuff.

 

For all I hate Fay, I love KZ1.

But we really should have NZL62 (? can't even remember the number, the successful defender) somewhere public instead of doing charters in Spain or wherever it is.

NZL-60 successfully defended. Then it was sold to K-challenge I believe. And now it is a tourist sailor in Spain somewhere? That sucks, but you Kiwis do have the bad ass NZL-32 on display in a museum. 42-1 in AC29.

 

Kicking all forms of ass like that and bringing the Cup to Kiwi-land trumps anything NZL-60 did.

 

NZL-81 and NZL-82 on the other hand. Those poor buggers were exiled as fast as was possible once the new AC32 boats came online. They still tooling around Mexico somewhere? Out of sight, out of mind.

 

We need some SD anarchists to get a local University to try and find the grave of AUS-35. I would be interested in seeing her final resting place. No shot of that though. Like looking for a needle in a pile of needles.

 

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I dunno what they could do with DZ but I do think it would be a shame for it to be cut up.

Hornet seems like a good idea but not sure that AC stuff should go with war stuff.

 

For all I hate Fay, I love KZ1.

But we really should have NZL62 (? can't even remember the number, the successful defender) somewhere public instead of doing charters in Spain or wherever it is.

NZL-60 successfully defended. Then it was sold to K-challenge I believe. And now it is a tourist sailor in Spain somewhere? That sucks, but you Kiwis do have the bad ass NZL-32 on display in a museum. 42-1 in AC29.

 

Kicking all forms of ass like that and bringing the Cup to Kiwi-land trumps anything NZL-60 did.

 

NZL-81 and NZL-82 on the other hand. Those poor buggers were exiled as fast as was possible once the new AC32 boats came online. They still tooling around Mexico somewhere? Out of sight, out of mind.

 

We need some SD anarchists to get a local University to try and find the grave of AUS-35. I would be interested in seeing her final resting place. No shot of that though. Like looking for a needle in a pile of needles.

 

WetHog

 

I am pretty sure they know where AUS35 is, as there was talk of going down to retrieve parts and sails from her. Then someone told them about the damage the water pressure would do at that depth and make anything salvaged useless. Also the speed at which she was travelling at impact with the bottom was some ridiculous number, again damaging most everything beyond use.

 

Maybe James Cameron would take his deep water exploring sub out there? It would interesting to see if there is much left.

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I dunno what they could do with DZ but I do think it would be a shame for it to be cut up.

Hornet seems like a good idea but not sure that AC stuff should go with war stuff.

 

For all I hate Fay, I love KZ1.

But we really should have NZL62 (? can't even remember the number, the successful defender) somewhere public instead of doing charters in Spain or wherever it is.

NZL-60 successfully defended. Then it was sold to K-challenge I believe. And now it is a tourist sailor in Spain somewhere? That sucks, but you Kiwis do have the bad ass NZL-32 on display in a museum. 42-1 in AC29.

 

Kicking all forms of ass like that and bringing the Cup to Kiwi-land trumps anything NZL-60 did.

 

NZL-81 and NZL-82 on the other hand. Those poor buggers were exiled as fast as was possible once the new AC32 boats came online. They still tooling around Mexico somewhere? Out of sight, out of mind.

 

We need some SD anarchists to get a local University to try and find the grave of AUS-35. I would be interested in seeing her final resting place. No shot of that though. Like looking for a needle in a pile of needles.

 

WetHog

 

I am pretty sure they know where AUS35 is, as there was talk of going down to retrieve parts and sails from her. Then someone told them about the damage the water pressure would do at that depth and make anything salvaged useless. Also the speed at which she was travelling at impact with the bottom was some ridiculous number, again damaging most everything beyond use.

 

Maybe James Cameron would take his deep water exploring sub out there? It would interesting to see if there is much left.

 

Quite ironic that AUS35 and James Cameron's Carbon Sub came from the same builder.

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Today my thoughts are with Mandela.

 

But I realised there are two obvious sites for DZ:

 

1. Anacortes - tons of space on the waterfront

 

2. Warkworth - alright, not built there. But has a strong connection to the AC and there are a number of good sites.

 

P.S. If TNZ win in September there will be a need to find a good place for at least one of the tractors!

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Stopped by Pier 80. USA 17's bows are painted red (like the 72), "BMW" is gone and it looks like the hulls will be painted next.

So...she definitely lives, if only for display.

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I dunno what they could do with DZ but I do think it would be a shame for it to be cut up.

Hornet seems like a good idea but not sure that AC stuff should go with war stuff.

 

For all I hate Fay, I love KZ1.

But we really should have NZL62 (? can't even remember the number, the successful defender) somewhere public instead of doing charters in Spain or wherever it is.

NZL60 and yes we should along with NZL38 which did most of the hard work in '95

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I think you will see USA 17 moored off the Marina Green or the Embarcadero during the AC. After that, who knows. Not much interest in the US for boats that are actually racing, much less - has beens.

I think it would look really strange sitting in front of Oracle. One big ass boat for a little pond!

What did Ellison do with all the AC boats he used to have on Treasure Island?

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I think you will see USA 17 moored off the Marina Green or the Embarcadero during the AC. After that, who knows. Not much interest in the US for boats that are actually racing, much less - has beens.

I think it would look really strange sitting in front of Oracle. One big ass boat for a little pond!

What did Ellison do with all the AC boats he used to have on Treasure Island?

If you are talking about USA 11 , the two red NZ blats and the first Italian boat, they were owned by John Sweeny.

 

 

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I dunno what they could do with DZ but I do think it would be a shame for it to be cut up.

Hornet seems like a good idea but not sure that AC stuff should go with war stuff.

 

For all I hate Fay, I love KZ1.

But we really should have NZL62 (? can't even remember the number, the successful defender) somewhere public instead of doing charters in Spain or wherever it is.

NZL60 and yes we should along with NZL38 which did most of the hard work in '95

 

NZL60 and NZL38 are both in Auckland.

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That looks like the pier and the crane, but there were probably twice as many boats. Stars and Stripes was definitely one of them and I think Kiwi Magic???. Someone told me Ellison owned and sometimes sailed them against each other.

 

I think you will see USA 17 moored off the Marina Green or the Embarcadero during the AC. After that, who knows. Not much interest in the US for boats that are actually racing, much less - has beens.

I think it would look really strange sitting in front of Oracle. One big ass boat for a little pond!

What did Ellison do with all the AC boats he used to have on Treasure Island?

If you are talking about USA 11 , the two red NZ blats and the first Italian boat, they were owned by John Sweeny.

 

 

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That looks like the pier and the crane, but there were probably twice as many boats. Stars and Stripes was definitely one of them and I think Kiwi Magic???. Someone told me Ellison owned and sometimes sailed them against each other.

 

I think you will see USA 17 moored off the Marina Green or the Embarcadero during the AC. After that, who knows. Not much interest in the US for boats that are actually racing, much less - has beens.

I think it would look really strange sitting in front of Oracle. One big ass boat for a little pond!

What did Ellison do with all the AC boats he used to have on Treasure Island?

If you are talking about USA 11 , the two red NZ blats and the first Italian boat, they were owned by John Sweeny.

 

 

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Well these were four of the five that sailed for two seasons in the Challenge series . Larry brought out one of the next gen Oracle boats and kicked our ass . I sailed for John for two seasons in USA 11.

 

 

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Not that it gives any real clue but does at least suggest that, whilst waiting around twiddling their thumbs, the Oracle crew are doing something useful...

 

Brad Webb ‏@bwebbupfront 15 Jun
Spent the morning tinkering on USA17 then checked in with the USA76 crew.

It will be a full summer of sailing @ACsailingSF & @OracleTeamUSA

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Not that it gives any real clue but does at least suggest that, whilst waiting around twiddling their thumbs, the Oracle crew are doing something useful...

 

Brad Webb ‏@bwebbupfront 15 Jun

Spent the morning tinkering on USA17 then checked in with the USA76 crew.

It will be a full summer of sailing @ACsailingSF & @OracleTeamUSA

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but it sounds like they're preparing both of them to go sailing...

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I hope you're right, but the word we got when our YC got a tour of Oracle's site on Pier 80 was "It'll never sail again."

 

C'mon guys, chop 60 feet off the wing and take it on a victory lap around the bay!

 

Condition of the paint a month ago:

 

 

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Stopped by Pier 80. USA 17's bows are painted red (like the 72), "BMW" is gone and it looks like the hulls will be painted next.

So...she definitely lives, if only for display.

That's kind of a shame. I'd like to see her preserved in her race winning livery. But I'm sure their would be issues over the corporate trademarks and copyrights since BMW are no longer a sponsor.

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Presumebly the laywers are working on how to get her to measure as an AC72, hence the paint

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