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Remember when it was announced OR would challenge with a 90' x 90' boat and that strap-on Ernie declared with a stupid, shity grin...

 

"what are they going to build, a barge?"

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Remember when it was announced OR would challenge with a 90' x 90' boat and that strap-on Ernie declared with a stupid, shity grin...

 

"what are they going to build, a barge?"

 

Missed that one - could have had a lot of fun with it.

 

Not the first time he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

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^^ lol, You think ~that~ music was over the top?

 

Here's another retro throwback

 

 

Lots of good memories with AC33, and this is a classic.

 

The other things that ranked high on the list was alinghi's airlift over the alps when the strap broke just before dropping her in the water, her engine burning up and needing replacement, the court loss with RAK as the venue, and EB's sail loft growing wings as soon as they arrived in Valencia. The writing was on the wall all the way down the road - karma's a bitch.

 

The irony is EB had several opportunities, openly communicated, to have a MC event. With his obstinate attitude, he declined all offers and opted to dig his heels in and got pounded in the process.

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nice article by KL

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Future Sailing Wind Assisted Ferries

By Kimball Livingston Posted April 21, 2014

Eventually, someone is going to get wind assisted transport right.

http://www.blueplanettimes.com/future-sailing-wind-assisted-ferries/

 

weeds and spiders got it down by nature

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^^ My daughter and I love the Wagner 'Ride of the Valkyries', excellent touch as she appears over/between the buldings.

 

Great Work! Thanks.

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she's in the water at the pond

 

Not anymore. High and dry. Used partial port daggerboard as a mount. Partial port rudder left on and seven degree heel to simulate sailing. Mast will be stepped Sunday.

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smart move for display, get to enjoy the lines below the waterline, list for rain water drainage = minimal maintenance plus potential damage from the evils of water imersion on the hulls.

 

+1

 

She looks good like that. Still think the red paint and the changed decals look like shit, but its not my boat. In the end I am glad she didn't get cut up. Can't wait to see her final set up.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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It's hard to believe, but according to two people from Oracle, they actually thought they were going to be able to mount DZ in the display hanging from the Helo until they saw how unruly she was in the wind and rotor wash. IMHO, that was never going to happen! As it was, it took over an hour hanging from the crane to get one set of pins in. Imagine standing in that coffer dam with DZ hovering over you dangling from a Helo!

 

But then...one of the sources (who was in charge of the operation) referred to DZ's "tillers" (meaning wheels). I assured her DZ doesn't have tillers. She insisted that is how the OTUSA guys referred to them as well.

I told her, "That's a lot of boat to handle with a tiller!".

 

Apparently they are still considering building a observation deck so you can stand behind the tillers...I mean wheels!

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^^ Thank you for your on-scene work today, it helps us in other parts of the AC world to get the feel of what is happening on the ground (water). The pics and video are great and I appreciate your efforts, hopefully it was a fun day at the OR Headquarters and the folks there were cool with your presence there.It sounds like it from the report.

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

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IMO, DZ will for a very long time go down as the baddest-ass DoG in AC History.

 

Anacortes might have been nice for that cool town being the birthplace but with DZ being an LE and therefore Silicon Valley insipration, this display works too.

 

Love the tilt, brings back memories of the momentary speed flash right before the Race 1 gun. Great choice.

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

 

Maybe we can get clean to ring up Larry to set it up, and also grant him an interview while he's at it. I understand he's wanted to sanction a SA event for some time now but just hasn't had the chance, maybe this is it. If Larry isn't receptive because he's basking in the Hawaii sun and isn't taking calls at the moment, maybe clean can contact Russell to set it up, along with an interview. If Russell is not receptive for some unknown reason, maybe clean can use his friendship with Cayard to ask him to arrange the call with Russell, and an interview as well.

 

In the unlikely event that none of these approaches pan out, we can always get MSP to file a law suit against all the parties for all the fraud he thinks they are guilty of, and use his extensive and successful legal track record as a settlement tactic in lieu of the various law suits as leverage to hold the party.

 

Or then again we could just arrange a tailgate party and wear our Alinghi swag in memory of EB.

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

 

Maybe we can get clean to ring up Larry to set it up, and also grant him an interview while he's at it. I understand he's wanted to sanction a SA event for some time now but just hasn't had the chance, maybe this is it. If Larry isn't receptive because he's basking in the Hawaii sun and isn't taking calls at the moment, maybe clean can contact Russell to set it up, along with an interview. If Russell is not receptive for some unknown reason, maybe clean can use his friendship with Cayard to ask him to arrange the call with Russell, and an interview as well.

 

In the unlikely event that none of these approaches pan out, we can always get MSP to file a law suit against all the parties for all the fraud he thinks they are guilty of, and use his extensive and successful legal track record as a settlement tactic in lieu of the various law suits as leverage to hold the party.

 

Or then again we could just arrange a tailgate party and wear our Alinghi swag in memory of EB.

Larry's in Washington not Hawaii right now.

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The stick is on. There is a guy on top in two shots (sorry, flip phone camera!).

I have to say, they did a great job.

She looks cool, even while driving by. Almost looks bigger from the street for some reason.

So I guess DZ does live after all!

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They should place a Rocking Horse on the shore behind DoGZilla (only fitting...eh)

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

 

Maybe we can get clean to ring up Larry to set it up, and also grant him an interview while he's at it. I understand he's wanted to sanction a SA event for some time now but just hasn't had the chance, maybe this is it. If Larry isn't receptive because he's basking in the Hawaii sun and isn't taking calls at the moment, maybe clean can contact Russell to set it up, along with an interview. If Russell is not receptive for some unknown reason, maybe clean can use his friendship with Cayard to ask him to arrange the call with Russell, and an interview as well.

 

In the unlikely event that none of these approaches pan out, we can always get MSP to file a law suit against all the parties for all the fraud he thinks they are guilty of, and use his extensive and successful legal track record as a settlement tactic in lieu of the various law suits as leverage to hold the party.

 

Or then again we could just arrange a tailgate party and wear our Alinghi swag in memory of EB.

 

I guess this means that it will be on a Monday? :blink:

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

 

Maybe we can get clean to ring up Larry to set it up, and also grant him an interview while he's at it. I understand he's wanted to sanction a SA event for some time now but just hasn't had the chance, maybe this is it. If Larry isn't receptive because he's basking in the Hawaii sun and isn't taking calls at the moment, maybe clean can contact Russell to set it up, along with an interview. If Russell is not receptive for some unknown reason, maybe clean can use his friendship with Cayard to ask him to arrange the call with Russell, and an interview as well.

 

In the unlikely event that none of these approaches pan out, we can always get MSP to file a law suit against all the parties for all the fraud he thinks they are guilty of, and use his extensive and successful legal track record as a settlement tactic in lieu of the various law suits as leverage to hold the party.

 

Or then again we could just arrange a tailgate party and wear our Alinghi swag in memory of EB.

 

I guess this means that it will be on a Monday? :blink:

Precisely, just not sure which year.

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

 

Maybe we can get clean to ring up Larry to set it up, and also grant him an interview while he's at it. I understand he's wanted to sanction a SA event for some time now but just hasn't had the chance, maybe this is it. If Larry isn't receptive because he's basking in the Hawaii sun and isn't taking calls at the moment, maybe clean can contact Russell to set it up, along with an interview. If Russell is not receptive for some unknown reason, maybe clean can use his friendship with Cayard to ask him to arrange the call with Russell, and an interview as well.

 

In the unlikely event that none of these approaches pan out, we can always get MSP to file a law suit against all the parties for all the fraud he thinks they are guilty of, and use his extensive and successful legal track record as a settlement tactic in lieu of the various law suits as leverage to hold the party.

 

Or then again we could just arrange a tailgate party and wear our Alinghi swag in memory of EB.

 

I guess this means that it will be on a Monday? :blink:

Precisely, just not sure which year.

 

 

Maybe the ETNZ vid can be played at the event..............................................

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Well, SA again thinks it knows whats best for billionaires on the front page, as if they have been thinking about what to do permanently with DoGzilla.

 

Rather than have her take up dock space or be sentenced to the trash heap, knowing she could never be sailed by tourists, LE is creating a decent looking set of boat displays for his hobby. The helo probably cost a lot less than rent at Pier 80, but who knows.

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That looks cool! Will certainly stop by during the next trip to Bay Area.

 

From - https://twitter.com/bwebbupfront

 

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That boat will never win .

 

Those hulls are too narrow and just look at that flex .

 

What were they thinking ?

 

In hindsight I think you are right...something like this isn't in the same league as a large soft sail cat, even with a wing sail. :)

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I think its very generous to go to the time and effort to preserve this piece of yachting history and hopefully OR 17 might join the other two as well someday .

 

Well played Uncle Larry .

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I think its very generous to go to the time and effort to preserve this piece of yachting history and hopefully OR 17 might join the other two as well someday .

 

Well played Uncle Larry .

 

Just think if we had America, Reliance, and Ranger on display somewhere............................................

 

The replica's are nice and well done, but it is just not the same, and no one would have spent the coin to build another DZ.

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Could be billed to Orackle as an art installation!!

Well, SA again thinks it knows whats best for billionaires on the front page, as if they have been thinking about what to do permanently with DoGzilla.

 

Rather than have her take up dock space or be sentenced to the trash heap, knowing she could never be sailed by tourists, LE is creating a decent looking set of boat displays for his hobby. The helo probably cost a lot less than rent at Pier 80, but who knows.

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I think its very generous to go to the time and effort to preserve this piece of yachting history and hopefully OR 17 might join the other two as well someday .

 

Well played Uncle Larry .

+1k OR 17 most surely will! Two of yachting"s greatest triumphs!

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We need to organize an SAAC party at OR world headquarters, and hopefully get LE's approval and maybe share with us at such an event. LE provided us the most cool sailing vessel to date, and hopefully he can appreciate the excitement that this boat inspired.

 

For me personally it was a distraction from the 18 months that I was out of work, and helped to get through this trying time.

 

Along with the rest of you 'bums'. ;)

I'm in!

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IMO, DZ will for a very long time go down as the baddest-ass DoG in AC History.

 

Anacortes might have been nice for that cool town being the birthplace but with DZ being an LE and therefore Silicon Valley insipration, this display works too.

 

Love the tilt, brings back memories of the momentary speed flash right before the Race 1 gun. Great choice.

 

Ditto.

 

Comparable to DZ herself is the DoG story surrounding her. Whatwith all those legal challenges, venue choices, spying, headfakes, etc.

 

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And how about those AC obsessed internet forum dudes. Man those guys are whacked.

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IMO, DZ will for a very long time go down as the baddest-ass DoG in AC History.

 

Anacortes might have been nice for that cool town being the birthplace but with DZ being an LE and therefore Silicon Valley insipration, this display works too.

 

Love the tilt, brings back memories of the momentary speed flash right before the Race 1 gun. Great choice.

Ditto.

 

Comparable to DZ herself is the DoG story surrounding her. Whatwith all those legal challenges, venue choices, spying, headfakes, etc.

 

.

And how about those AC obsessed internet forum dudes. Man those guys are whacked.

Free Schnappi!!!!

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It's going to be next to USA 76 in the lagoon in front of the 500 Tower.

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MM isn't going to like this. He was ridiculing the idea a few weeks ago. :-)

 

 

And were you?

I'll believe it when I see it but if it does happen I plan on being there to take pictures.

 

 

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Since A5 was lifted over the Swiss and Italian Alps with a helicopter, I don't see why they couldn't float USA-17 down off of Redwood Shores and then use a helicopter to fly it along the slough. That way they wouldn't have to fly over anything inhabited But whatever happens, it will be awhile (after AC34 is done).

The FAA would probably have some serious questions about that plan.

 

Redwood Shores is directly under the final approach to San Francisco International Airport.

 

There is also a general aviation airport, San Carlos Airport, right next to the slough.

 

From the slough to "Larry's Lake", the flight would only have to cover a little over a mile.

 

But the flight path would be over either homes that cost over $900,000, or the Electronic Arts campus and the Sofitel Hotel. The insurance premium would be prohibitive even for someone as wealthy as Larry Ellison.

 

It's only about 20 miles from Pier 80 to Oracle via the highway. It would be much easier and cheaper to put the boat on a trailer at 1am with a bunch of pilot cars and a CHP escort.

 

...........................................

 

 

A little gloating is in order.

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From the mythical front page:

 

"Apparently, this is what you do when you have too much money."

 

 

 

 

Ummmm... if you're LE, what exactly is "too much"?

 

And if you had it, the billions, the Cup (x 2), Dogzilla, and a huge corp campus that represents your ideation of a relational database - disk drives - that made you one of the wealthiest people in the world, why the fuck not!

 

Go Larry!

 

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It's interesting that they will float then fly. Flying from 80 would probably add 10 minutes to the flight. Probably less time then it will take to rig her in the water.

Can not fly the sky crane loaded through SFO or Oakland Airport airspace, or populated areas other than specifically stated for permission under the flight plan.

They didn't even bother to interrupt flights into SFO while the Sikorsky picked DZ out of the bay. It looked like they were flying right over her. They probably weren't, but they were certainly close, didn't seem to alter the approach much or didn't stop flying..

 

The lady from Oracle was telling me they had to slim DZ down to get her under the Sikorsky's 10 Ton lifting limit. I think she said DZ flew weighing a little over 19k.

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Oracle is south of the bridge by about a mile and SFO is about 3 miles north. So my rough estimate is that the landing pattern is still at over 4 thousand feet when they pass overhead and the Sikorsky looked to have only gone to a couple of hundred feet.

 

Also, airliners approach well over the bay, not over the sloughs, so they shouldn't have crossed paths anyway.

 

As for the weight limit. BMW wanted off of the branding so they had to oblige and get the engine out!

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BMW wanting their branding off makes sense, and is to bad from a historical perspective, but the red bows on the port and starboard hulls? Cringe worthy. Should of kept them white and put ORACLE across them in red letters.

 

On a different subject, what are the stresses on the starboard hull and the cross beams having the starboard hull hang free without any underneath supports? USA-71's bottom was fouled over time, and the gravel inside it didn't help, but how many years will the starboard hull hang there with no issues? I would think a long time, but I know nothing about the longevity of carbon fiber components.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Oracle is south of the bridge by about a mile and SFO is about 3 miles north. So my rough estimate is that the landing pattern is still at over 4 thousand feet when they pass overhead and the Sikorsky looked to have only gone to a couple of hundred feet.

 

Also, airliners approach well over the bay, not over the sloughs, so they shouldn't have crossed paths anyway.

 

As for the weight limit. BMW wanted off of the branding so they had to oblige and get the engine out!

You can estimate all you want. I'm telling you they were in in the same neighborhood. Plenty of vertical separation, not dangerously close or anything. However, given all the discussion here regarding airspace, I was surprised to see business as usual during a peak period. SFO would have only needed to delay or alter approaches for three minutes for the lift, but they didn't even bother.

It seems the helo could have flown from pier 80, up the center of the bay, under the approach (as they did anyway) without interrupting anything. Must have had a reason not to, but I don't think it had anything to do with airspace.

 

As for weight, I guess the chick from Oracle was just making it up to impress me (I wish...she's a hottie!).

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Very sweet...

Agreed.

He also posted a nice comparison pair of pics,

http://davidhaimes.wordpress.com/2014/05/11/americas-cup-winning-boat-arrives-at-oracle-hq/

 

Nice vid link, Rennmaus. I remember the day you first set eyes on DZ, fun times!

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BMW wanting their branding off makes sense, and is to bad from a historical perspective, but the red bows on the port and starboard hulls? Cringe worthy. Should of kept them white and put ORACLE across them in red letters.

BMW and Oracle separated in Valencia didn't they, (when she went from being BOR 90 to USA 17)? Come to think of it...How did they win the AC without the motor? <_<^^

The red bows appeared when I did the OP. Seems they were tying to duplicate the look of the 72's which is one reason I assumed they were going to display DZ at the AC. The chick from Oracle said it was never even discussed!

On a different subject, what are the stresses on the starboard hull and the cross beams having the starboard hull hang free without any underneath supports? USA-71's bottom was fouled over time, and the gravel inside it didn't help, but how many years will the starboard hull hang there with no issues? I would think a long time, but I know nothing about the longevity of carbon fiber components.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

Interesting point.

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Oracle is south of the bridge by about a mile and SFO is about 3 miles north. So my rough estimate is that the landing pattern is still at over 4 thousand feet when they pass overhead and the Sikorsky looked to have only gone to a couple of hundred feet.

 

Also, airliners approach well over the bay, not over the sloughs, so they shouldn't have crossed paths anyway.

 

As for the weight limit. BMW wanted off of the branding so they had to oblige and get the engine out!

You can estimate all you want. I'm telling you they were in in the same neighborhood. Plenty of vertical separation, not dangerously close or anything. However, given all the discussion here regarding airspace, I was surprised to see business as usual during a peak period. SFO would have only needed to delay or alter approaches for three minutes for the lift, but they didn't even bother.

It seems the helo could have flown from pier 80, up the center of the bay, under the approach (as they did anyway) without interrupting anything. Must have had a reason not to, but I don't think it had anything to do with airspace.

 

As for weight, I guess the chick from Oracle was just making it up to impress me (I wish...she's a hottie!).

Wasn't trying to be contentious with my estimates, just pointing out the vertical separation... which is how air lanes are assigned in the sky. And I'm sure that clearance to get around the lower ceilings around the airport would have been hard to get... and the airport is between pier 80 and Oracle.

 

In the bay area, I think the bigger issue are Helicopter rules for noise which is probably closer to why the lift was as short as possible. It was probably a condition of the permit.

 

I don't know what the exact rules are, but I know they are very very restrictive. The reason I heard was that years ago, as the super rich began to fly them between their homes/offices and the airports, and later, from the airports to smaller hubs in the cities. The noise and annoyance supposedly got out of hand. Whatever the reason, you VERY rarely see helis around here. The only exceptions seem to be emergency ambulance helicopters. I don't think there are even 'traffic watch' copters in the bay area... but I'm not sure

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Great video. He didn't need to be obnoxious and call it a big shitty crane though....I thought it did a fine job!

Never thought I would see a drouge on DZ either.

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Awesome video, thanks!

I'm getting teary eyed. Great stuff. What Larry did for the AC on so many levels with this thing will forever be underappreciated.

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Great video. He didn't need to be obnoxious and call it a big shitty crane though....I thought it did a fine job!

Never thought I would see a drouge on DZ either.

 

Big SHEEDY crane. Written on the side of the crane boom.

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Great video. He didn't need to be obnoxious and call it a big shitty crane though....I thought it did a fine job!

Never thought I would see a drouge on DZ either.

 

Big SHEEDY crane. Written on the side of the crane boom.

Yeah...I know who owns the crane (and don't know what it had to do anything, but got a kick out of his accent).

I say, I say...it was a joke son. :P

Maybe I'm just sensitive as Sheedy has almost killed me twice by sending cranes out that couldn't get the job done. One tipped over onto a form I was on, the other sent a JLG plummeting 5 stories, putting me in a sheedy position. (Charlie Babbit made another joke!)

Fortunately, they had their sheed together and sent the right crane to Oracleville.

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Awesome video, thanks!

I'm getting teary eyed. Great stuff. What Larry did for the AC on so many levels with this thing will forever be underappreciated.

Well said!

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As for weight, I guess the chick from Oracle was just making it up to impress me (I wish...she's a hottie!).

Was she blonde with a Texas accent?

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With the recent placing of the DoGy in the lake, and all of Brad Webb's tweets about the process, I took a shot in the dark and asked him over twitter what is the fate of OR's AC72's, primarily OR2 that was the center piece of "The Comeback". Here is his response:

 

 

@WetHog still unknown. Potentially museum for boat 2 (winner), & display pieces for boat 1. The Tri was one piece, 72's are bolted together.

 

So it doesn't sound like OR2 will join her big sister on display in the lake. Just as well, the DoGy deserves that spot to herself, but I wonder what museum will take OR2. Still think the USS Hornet museum is the perfect spot. We shall see. Also, I guess both AC72's are still inside the shed at Pier 80. I asked Webb that as well, but he just responded on the fate of the 2 AC72's.

 

And I thanked him on twitter, but another thank you to Brad Webb for the response.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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