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what is it?

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Figured it was time for something at least a little difficult, right?

 

 

what is it 6 14.JPG

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Somewhat resembles an I14 shape. The latest B6?

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The control system for the transverse DSS board in the new Welbourn mini.

 

Shyte - you beat me!

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Ok, I'll have a stab.

 

Some sorta horizontal withdrawable NACA shaped appendage on a control line that is not fully rove.

A lotta cabon fibre in the bottom structure with another shaped recepticle with nothin init......

Nah.......Haven't a bloody clue.......

 

Ok, how about a horizontal / lateral type blade appendage that works switchblade style when someone calls you up........ and gets real close...and ya don't wanna go......cop this.......!

 

Oh....never mind....

Cheers,

Jim ;)

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Someone had the plans sideways when they were installing the centerboard? ^_^

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at least some dss boat.

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It si the mechanism to move the DSS Foils at the Quant 30 boat.

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Looks like an interesting way to sink when the seals fail, on the second or third deployment, of that appendage.

Kool otherwise.

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hot rods trap door w/folding stairs to the basement on the F/H

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Quant 30(picture from Michi)--

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What are they trying to achieve there? I understand the basic DSS foil system, but can't say I've seen this twin foil system about.

 

Cheers

Mojo

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Control mechanism on the kanting keel that got the "Ed" kicked out of that race earlier this week.

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Is this one of the horizontal keel boards on the concept boat in Marblehead

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Figured it was time for something at least a little difficult, right?

Obvioulsly some Hot Rod's handy work. Could be an prototype/mock of the FH's "lee boards". After all, it's moving day, right?!?!!!!!

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The Dynamic Stability System and new grid for my Franken 470. Now, where do I put the 90 degree canting keel?

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What are they trying to achieve there? I understand the basic DSS foil system, but can't say I've seen this twin foil system about.

 

Cheers

Mojo

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The Quant 30 uses two independently retractable curved foils instead of one foil sliding across the boat:

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What's the advantage of 2 foils over 1? You're only going to use 1 at a time anyway. Seems like you're having to carry around the weight of an extra foil, but I'm sure there are advantages i'm missing.

 

Cheers

Mojo

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What's the advantage of 2 foils over 1? You're only going to use 1 at a time anyway. Seems like you're having to carry around the weight of an extra foil, but I'm sure there are advantages i'm missing.

 

Cheers

Mojo

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With two foils you have more options-for instance, in heavy air both foils could be left out. They could be left out at any time there is a lot of manouvering in conditions that the foil helps and when they are out they have the full effective area. The Quant 28 foil was so long that it always stuck out on both sides(but only with partial area each side)-the retracting foils eliminate any foil from sticking out.

 

PIX-Q 28 with foil sticking out both sides-picture from Michi, PDF below with Q30DSS details:

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DSS-Quant 30.pdf

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The real question is; "Why is it?" Looks like enhancement for displacement mode.... Dumb!

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The real question is; "Why is it?" Looks like enhancement for displacement mode.... Dumb!

 

Could you...explain...your "theory"?

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To whom doug? to you??? Just so they can be innundated with pages of cut and paste of content you didn't even author?



Fuck off you asshole. Stop trashing people on other sites behind their backs




You do realize that with behaviour like that, having you endorse a boat is like the kiss of death


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Well I'm interested Doug, how do they keep the water out when heeled!

 

Got a couple of the straight board variety in Brisbane, and I have seen the boat in HK (think Frank Pong own's it) at pace and its pretty quick. But then again, I was sailing a Magic 25 and a tired one at that.

 

Can see the logic in the twin foils but not at functionality.

 

Love to get some ration conversation without 4 letter expletives !

 

JB

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Well I'm interested Doug, how do they keep the water out when heeled!

 

Got a couple of the straight board variety in Brisbane, and I have seen the boat in HK (think Frank Pong own's it) at pace and its pretty quick. But then again, I was sailing a Magic 25 and a tired one at that.

 

Can see the logic in the twin foils but not at functionality.

 

Love to get some ration conversation without 4 letter expletives !

 

JB

 

I have no clue-I've only seen the pictures I posted here-but thats a good question. I would imagine that Hugh has dealt with it, though. As far as I know there are only BBB, Quant 28, the Mini and the soon to be Quant 30. Lots of improvement since BBB. And then a 100 footer and a 50 footer down the line. One thing I think they discovered is that they don't want to add DSS to a boat not specifically designed for it-make overs have too many problems, as I understand it.

Julian, you could e-mail Hugh and find the answer fairly quickly-just go to the site.......http://www.dynamicstabilitysystems.com/

I don't quite get what you're saying here?

PS- I think the Hong Kong boat was designed by Hugh but is not DSS

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Yep, Hugh and I have had a ta e ta.

 

Have not seen the BNE boats in action, but as I commented the HK boat is impressive. No idea who designed it so I will take your word for it!

 

Re "Can see the logic in the twin foils but not at functionality".

 

I'm a big KISS believer, so the straight foil appears better on KISS.

 

But as Hugh commented the twin foil allows you to move the windward foil, while is not under load, and you can pre-deploy, so I get that also.

 

Very ingenious! May have to bludge a ride on the HK boat!

 

JB

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