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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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BrianM v2

The front fell off. (really) or, when hogging goes wrong.

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Can't believe someone else didn't offer this bit o' stupidity yet today. Container ship broke in two off Yemen. Crew evacuates, both halves still afloat. Ship was only five years old...there is a great photo of the ship hogging badly before it snapped.

 

Anyone missing a container (or expecting one)?

 

Story over at gCaptain.

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I see my AWONBACMS plan is already working well.....

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gCaptain link is broken, was broken yesterday too

 

 

The server fell off?.....

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Unfortunately this sort of thing is going to become more and more common in the future when it comes to containerships. This is disaster was completely preventable but the Chief Mate and Captain have to know what they are doing as well as have the balls to tell the planner that they ain't gonna accept the load. As there are fewer and fewer Mates willing to risk their jobs or make a stink there will be more and more of this stuff happening.


Most of the big Box Boat Companies plan all of their loads in one place and at least for the companies I have worked for the oversight of these loads ranges from very good to none. The only recourse for the crew is to run the loads on the ships load computers and see what happens. It seems that you will always have conflicts which range from IMDG loads not being compatible (Hyundai Fortune) to way to much bending or torsion loads which is pretty well demonstrated by this story.


When on ship hopefully you catch this stuff early enough to send it back to the planners but in my experience most of the time it is up to you to fix it. If as C/M or 1st O you are not up to snuff or just blindly accept the load as presented really bad stuff can happen. Most of the time the ships have enough reserve strength to absorb the bad loads but over time the damage just adds up. For a new ship to fail so badly, it boggles my mind. Everyone involved must have had their heads up their butts.

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Could all be true But thats a pretty quick and fact-less indictment of MOL, one of the worlds biggest and highest quality shipping companies.

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Link is working, that is an amazing picture. Will have to ask my friend at Lloyds if this is one of their ships.

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mol-comfort-1.jpg

 

Link is working, that is an amazing picture. Will have to ask my friend at Lloyds if this is one of their ships.

 

 

Gawd dammit but I hate reverse shear.....

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Actually it is a broad statement based on my experience at sea working for some of these companies. Notice I said at sea.

 

If you saw or experienced half of the crap that I have seen while working for a few of these "high quality" companies you might understand where I'm coming from.

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The Physics must be fun when designing for such a load......., lots of boxes .......boxes at sea,more fun times for the punter in his small ocean going vessel....

Just run into a semi submerged floating container and see what happens.....sheessh <_<

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MOL Comfort

 

...not so comfortable at the moment. at least nobody hurt

 

 

but boston has got it spot on. the other problem (particularly for bulk ships like mine) is very high load rates. these can exceed 10,000mt per HOUR ! very easy to over-stress a big ship.

 

smaller ships are much stronger...logical when you think about it

 

cheers,

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At Nav Arch school we were told that the structures of these ships scale to the equivalent of making a canoe out of tinfoil.

 

Big gear, but very fragile in the wrong hands.

 

SW

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MOL Comfort

 

...not so comfortable at the moment. at least nobody hurt

 

Until some poor bastard hits a semi-submerged container in the middle of the night........

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BNBQzOpCQAAm2Rq-1.jpeg

 

Can't believe someone else didn't offer this bit o' stupidity yet today. Container ship broke in two off Yemen. Crew evacuates, both halves still afloat. Ship was only five years old...there is a great photo of the ship hogging badly before it snapped.

 

Anyone missing a container (or expecting one)?

 

Story over at gCaptain.

The MOL statement said that damage was “extensive”.....

 

Hey no shit Sherlock.

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this isn't the ship but does demonstrate the flexing they go through.

 

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Someone should get that ship out of the environment stat!

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When throwing around blame please remember, that there are still places in the world (yes even in USA ) that do not weigh the containers as they come in the gate or off a train (they use shipper's load and count #') .

 

Even the best computers in the world can not simulate the forces if you do not know what some of the containers weigh..

 

Sail safe!

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Fucking A Margaret and Made in China no doubt, there will be a few lawyers getting rich on this...

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It seems that you will always have conflicts which range from IMDG loads not being compatible (Hyundai Fortune) to way to much bending or torsion loads which is pretty well demonstrated by this story.

 

Wasn't that as much the shipper just lying about the contents? Seems a bit endemic in that region, one of the Asian airlines had to scrap an Airbus because Acid (!) leaked from a fraudulently marked package during flight compromising the structure.

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mol-comfort-1.jpg

 

Link is working, that is an amazing picture. Will have to ask my friend at Lloyds if this is one of their ships.

 

 

Gawd dammit but I hate reverse shear.....

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MOL: Made Overly Limp?......

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MOL: Made Overly Limp?......

 

That's why it took the little blue pill. Unfortunately it didn't call it's Dr when it had an erection that lasted longer than 4 hours...

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Several years ago, I was talking to an MBA candidate that was writing his thesis on more efficient load planing in containerized shipping. The whole thing was about improving vessel turnaround time in port. I asked him about weight distribution vs destination localization, and he completely dismissed the weight component. He said that if we assume that all containers weigh X tons, the offload and onload times become greatly improved, and he had all these graphs and charts to prove it.

 

I paid for the last round, said, "Good luck defending your thesis then," and left shaking my head.

 

Seeing the above images makes me wonder if this guy didn't go on to design the load planning software used on that ship.

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You're right, I was thinking about one of our safety flashes with a picture of the Fortune, talking about the dangers of IMDG seperation.

 

I actually saw the Fortune off of Salalah, Oman as it was getting towed away. For those that don't know about the loss of the Hyundai Fortune, there was a mis manifested container of fireworks that was placed in a cell right next to a Fuel Tank. On a big ship the fuel that is burned is the bottom of the barrel and needs to be heated to keep it flowing..... the pictures are say more than I ever could.

 

Unfortunately the MBA/office are pretty difficult to work with..... but the smart ones know their limitations. The really scary ones are the 3/Ms with an MBA that went to sea for six months then went to work in the office.... you can't explain anything to them..... "I know I went to sea" When that is said, you know you're in deep trouble.

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I guess they didn't get the memo about cardboard being out.

 

 

For those that do not know....

 

 

 

 

Edit: tried to embed but could not, hit the link.

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MOL: Made Overly Limp?......

 

Made of Linguine

 

Making Ocean Litter

 

Must Off Load

 

Millionaire Ocean Lawyers

 

Mental Oversight Loading

 

I could go on.........

 

WL

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