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What's happened to the VX One ?

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I have been knock down in San Diego. However, in Seattle the boat felt stiffer. Aussie tedrules describes his experience turtled down under. I am suspecting that there is a cosmic bias to the boat balance where either the mast is attracted to the North star or the is keel is attracted to the southern cross. This results in less stability as you move from northern to southern hemisphere. I am taking my mast and keel to SLAC (Stanford linear accelerator center) for atomic particle measurements. Their Dark Analyst Matter Numerical scientists can identify the presences of quarks, muons, peons, bosons, and klingons which produce gravitation attraction to supermassive black holes. I will report back on the results.

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From what tedrules says, it takes 2 people to right the craft when upside down - but ideally, its rightable when upside down by 1 sailor.

 

One may not have the luxury of 2 guys onboard to right the boat, which is a concern in SF Bay conditions - might be better to have a heavier lead bulb option to purchase. Sportboats on the SF Bay have this (Open 5.7 or K6 bulb weights).

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I don't know why you say that it should be rightable by one person. The boat is so wide that she is very stable upside down and unless you have waves that will help right her one person is never going to get her up.

 

I have righted my VX One off Sydney Heads in the ocean with a 2 man crew in 25 knots and on Sydney Harbour with a three person crew in 40 knots. If you want to sail a VX One in SF Bay I would recommend a three person crew of at least 480lbs. With more weight on board she is more managable, does not get pushed around by the waves so much. You will find there is a massive difference in the amount of control you have with 480lbs onboard compared to 440lbs.

 

One of the biggest differences between a VX and any other sportsboat is that when the breeze increases she becomes more stable like a skiff. With the wide transom, chines and minimal rocker it is like she is on rails. One thing you have to get use to is how little you have to steer to turn her.

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From what tedrules says, it takes 2 people to right the craft when upside down - but ideally, its rightable when upside down by 1 sailor.

 

One may not have the luxury of 2 guys onboard to right the boat, which is a concern in SF Bay conditions - might be better to have a heavier lead bulb option to purchase. Sportboats on the SF Bay have this (Open 5.7 or K6 bulb weights).

For single handling in SF Bay conditions, just tie a bleach bottle to the head of your main, kid style.

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Nice little video of some Vx racing down in Sarasota. This weekend is 1 of 3 winter events and I'll tell ya, not much any of us would changer about the venue.

 

22 boats for this first one. Should be > 30 for the next.

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Great video. Sportsboats in this wind are the next best thing to dinghy sailing for us old guys.

What’s the ideal crew weight for a VX?

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I think the ideal weight is around 400lbs to 440. But in our fleet in OKC we have a wide range of crew weights from 320 to 470 and all boats have been competitive. The lighter boats do well in light air and vice versa. I usually sail at about 320 and we have proven to be competitive in most conditions. Over 18 it starts to get tough for us to hang on.

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In Australia we are starting to think a bit more than that, we must get a bit more wind.

My target now is about 220-230kg, I used to sail @ 190kg but would get chewed up over 15 knots by the heavier crews and while light winds seem to avoid us, never got the advantage in the light stuff.

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Sarasota had 8 races, avg wind was close to 20 with 25 gusting into the 30s on Sunday.

 

First place boat won no races at 510 lbs.

Second place boat won 5 of 8 races at 420 lbs

Third place boat won 3 of 8 races at 480 ish?

 

One boat that was probably less than 400 ahoukd have won the big breeze race. Flat quantum sails and mass rig tensions. They were blazing afar up wind.

 

Sweet spot is really wide. Lots if gears on this boat, and we did some unique things to hold the big fellas off uphill. Bit also depends on sea state I guess.. But we had some good chop.

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Video of four VX One from Sydney sailing 15 nautical miles down the coast fro Pittwater to Sydney Harbour.

Guest helmsman was Iain Murray sailing AUS 155 with the white kite.

 

It was an awesome trip!

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Here is another fresh video also from Australia. This video shows some of the features of the VX One in great detail and was really nice put together by one of the early VX One'ers in the big island . Credits to F.K and family for the great clip.

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USA-110 has found a new home and is the first VX One heading to Kansas, watch it OK boys!

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Look forward to seeing it in the fleet. Maybe sometime next year we can convince a few Oklahoma boats to travel to Lake Perry and meet the Kansas boat at his home lake. Perry is a fun place to sail and I have never been there when there wasn't heavy air.

 

Sounds like there might be another Dallas boat showing up also.

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Fleet #4 Schedule for this coming season. Lots of events planned, the two in bold are the primary events but all are expected to have a One Design fleet of VX ones.

 

New boats coming into the fleet and lots of very active current members of the fleet. Gonna be a fun year in this area for the VXs. If you want to have fun get in contact with one of the owners or Rod Favela to arrange getting a ride on the boat.

2015 NOTICE OF SERIES FINAL (1).pdf

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Excellent summation of the boat's character and the character on the boat. Good camera work from the photo boat too.

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Hello from sunny California where my wife and I went sailing for Valentine's day.

Vxalentines Day

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25 boats registered for Bacardi Cup to race in a week time...clock is ticking...in the meantime, the Oklahoma City Boat Club has 7 VX's in it's premises together with 7 more between Houston and Dallas (yes, Ultra and Belton) by April.

Kansas has also one boat, this adds up to 15 boats in Fleet #4.

Southern Circuit is ON.

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Gonna be a good year for the VX in this region. Growing fast, I think we have added 5 boats in Fleet 4 since last season. Some of them pretty new to the racing scene while some are very experienced.

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Wish the VX had caught on in Annapolis instead of the 70...

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VX no.1 looked over at his pals in the fleet and said, "show of hands - who wants to sail in Annapolis?"

 

None went up.

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Wish the VX had caught on in Annapolis instead of the 70...

It isn't to late at all, just find the right group of guys to get together with and make a group purchase. Once a few are on the water more will swarm to them. I think the market for the VX and J70 are quite different, there is crossover but not a ton.

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Buy a VX One, throw it in the Bay and start lapping the J/70's. Make sure they see a few sets and douses. You'll have a fleet in no time!

 

Not only that, there are no keel wedges on the VX One to modify!

 

Just sayin'! ;)

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For those in the SF bay area there will be a VX at Richmond YC's Sail a Small Boat Day on Sat. 28.

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That looks awesome! I like our pink stripe down the middle but a grey deck might be nice.

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Three more of this beauties were unloaded yesterday at Houston Yacht Club yesterday. Fleet #4 keeps growing and there is one "Houstonian" now. Big kudos to Brian and Hayden Bennett for their support.

Also want to thank Pat Gibson and the Houston Yacht Club for their kindness and support and let us use the facilities for a clean and easier operation.

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Hoping to reach out to the other SF non-PHRFable boats...

 

We are bringing 5 i550s down for Delta Ditch and would love to see the VX and K6 and Open570 make a showing as well.

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Good luck at the ditch. I have another event on 6/6. I would like to stop by and play in Portland. We will be passing by in late august. Anything going on then?

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Good luck at the ditch. I have another event on 6/6. I would like to stop by and play in Portland. We will be passing by in late august. Anything going on then?

Cascade Locks would be a better venue... none of the Portland i550s really sail in Portland. We built the boats (pre-VX days and we'd all be sailing VXs today if they were where they are now, back then... but I digress...) specifically to do a "traveling" circuit. Season opener (tune-up) in April in Portland, then to Olympia, WA, Richmond, CA, Bellingham, WA, Eugene, OR, etc, etc, etc... you can figure out the rest.

 

We are going to do an event in mid-late August in Eugene, OR at Fern Ridge... its the Viper 640 West Coast Champs. We should have 6+ i550s. Bring a shitpile of VXs and we could have a great sporty event with all the 4ksb watching us go "ZOOM-ZOOM" all day!

 

We need... no, NEED more inter-fleet coordination. Events that all the sub-20' fun boats can go and hang out and promote their own brand of fun.

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Good luck at the ditch. I have another event on 6/6. I would like to stop by and play in Portland. We will be passing by in late august. Anything going on then?

Cascade Locks would be a better venue... none of the Portland i550s really sail in Portland. We built the boats (pre-VX days and we'd all be sailing VXs today if they were where they are now, back then... but I digress...) specifically to do a "traveling" circuit. Season opener (tune-up) in April in Portland, then to Olympia, WA, Richmond, CA, Bellingham, WA, Eugene, OR, etc, etc, etc... you can figure out the rest.

 

We are going to do an event in mid-late August in Eugene, OR at Fern Ridge... its the Viper 640 West Coast Champs. We should have 6+ i550s. Bring a shitpile of VXs and we could have a great sporty event with all the 4ksb watching us go "ZOOM-ZOOM" all day!

 

We need... no, NEED more inter-fleet coordination. Events that all the sub-20' fun boats can go and hang out and promote their own brand of fun.

 

We will be at PITCH in Bellingham (Labor Day). Are the i550s coming?

How did the Ditch go?

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We will be at PITCH in Bellingham (Labor Day). Are the i550s coming?

 

 

How did the Ditch go?

fucking carnage!! 153 boats started... 126 finished!!

We limped through... nice kite runs in big waves and wind... really more than the i550 was designed for though. One i550 lost the top 6' of mast and one lost a keel... 2 of 3 finished... 0 of 2 Ultimate 20s finished so not that bad really!

 

Pitch eh... last time I was at pitch was in the Cheetah 30 and it blew 50 knots both days and there was NO racing!

 

I'm not sure if the VX or i550 can handle a full on PITCH to be honest... if you've got 30+ and 4' waves at 4 seconds you are going to get clobbered in the bay... who knows... we might show up... it would be entertaining!! I'd rather do Spud Cup or something on a lake that time of year, but I'll float it out to the gang and see what happens!

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We did PITCH last year and it was OK.

Sorry I missed the Ditch, (carnage really), maybe next year my schedule will be open. Do you a published list of your 2015 circuit? I would like to terrorized the locals too.

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Here's a little snip from DDR 2015

 

https://youtu.be/DsEVD4Q1v7s

 

We are pretty informal about events... kind of get together over winter and come up with some events and then mix and match as the season goes on. Definitely will hit all up about joining you at PITCH

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25 knots, masthead kite (ASBA Regatta), 8 foot seas.

The bow didn't come up that much.

A short amusing clip!

 

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VX1 midwinters are this weekend in Sarasota. 23 boats signed up so far.

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Sunday's weather is going to be epic. I'll meet you in Miami and listen to the stories. Pix and video ASAP guys.

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Racing in Sarasota today was great, 15 knots downwind and crossings are frenetic. Great boat and great competition.

Racing in Sarasota today was great, 15 knots downwind and crossings are frenetic. Great boat and great competition.

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Rod what happened in Miami? Sailing 3 up is the new normal?

 

Miami was very fun. Great event with the only thing I did not like was the fact that on Thursday (Day 1 of racing) the RC cancelled our racing as well as the Vipers because it was "too windy". Yet the J/70s were racing. As soon as the day was called, we all when sailing to practice.

 

The forecast was calling for winds in the upper 20s and low 30s so most teams decided to sail between 430 lbs to 530 lbs. The windy days were super fun.

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25 knots, masthead kite (ASBA Regatta), 8 foot seas.

The bow didn't come up that much.

A short amusing clip!

 

25 knots!!!! What drugs are you on!!!! There has never been even 20 knots at any of those regattas, stop with the talk it up!!! Youve done enough dammage with your self promoting shit!!!

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Way to go slapper, good to see you back and calling it as it is

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and Elvis Presley was trimming, its all true.

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Looks like you had winds and waves. Was everyone going w/3 again?

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Most of the teams are sailing 3-UP at 480 lbs on average, some even less. A couple of teams are sailing 2-UP and still hanging in there. It is played by ear based on the forecast.

 

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I hear the advice of keeping the kite halyard under tension during a leeward douse. How are crews doing this and pulling in the retrieval line?

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The crew just uses their third hand to hold the halyard as the other two pull the retrieval part of the line.

 

 

 

In all seriousness that is basically how it happens. I don't go forward of the Vang Cleat very often because the tiller won't reach up there so I am not the best one to respond. But I watch my crew do it and she typically will take up all the slack in a few pulls before uncleating the halyard. Then when she does uncleat the tension of running through the cleat seems to keep enough tension. Does that make sense?

 

Just tell your crew the retrieve faster!

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That what I thought. Just checking if there was something I was missing. Btw, telling the crew to go faster, not a good idea marriage-wise. One can ask politely and hope for the best.

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Right there with you believe me, sail with the fiance, nothing has ever happened faster when you tell your fiance to pick up the pace.

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That what I thought. Just checking if there was something I was missing. Btw, telling the crew to go faster, not a good idea marriage-wise. One can ask politely and hope for the best.

 

 

Right there with you believe me, sail with the fiance, nothing has ever happened faster when you tell your fiance to pick up the pace.

 

Y'all are doing it wrong. I say, "Take your time, honey. Those other boats need to beat us so they can prop up their self-esteem, and I'm busy answering a text from that gal who wants to sail with me next weekend anyway."

B)

 

FB- Doug

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Right there with you believe me, sail with the fiance, nothing has ever happened faster when you tell your fiance to pick up the pace.

I know a guaranteed way to get that kite up and down as quickly as you like.......let the GF steer

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Simple mod for slippery tillers. I got this tip from Jack in Long Beach who got it from I14s. Run a bungie from the hiking strap over the tiller and back down to the opposite hiking strap. It slows the tiller movement down just enough that if it slips from your fingers during a tack it is still there for a few seconds and you can grab it before it goes to leeward. Works good.

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So what's happening with the VX1? Y'all been awful quiet lately. Is the class growing? Where are the most active OD fleets? I really like the boat. So what's going on? Any boatshow demos in the PNW?

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Just got two new boat owners in LA and formed Fleet 7. We trailered up to Friday Harbor from SF and sailed the Shaw Island Classic, which was more fun than PITCH.

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Sailed with 6 boats this weekend in Holland, MI doing some tuning, racing, practice and enjoying some high speed blasts down the harbor. This is a great boat, sailed in light and breeze conditions, in waves, salt water, and cold spring days. Nothing breaks, all the bits and pieces work like they are supposed to, we have fun with 2 or 3.

 

Looking forward to Nationals and then parking her in FL to race all winter.

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Sailed with 6 boats this weekend in Holland, MI doing some tuning, racing, practice and enjoying some high speed blasts down the harbor. This is a great boat, sailed in light and breeze conditions, in waves, salt water, and cold spring days. Nothing breaks, all the bits and pieces work like they are supposed to, we have fun with 2 or 3.

 

Looking forward to Nationals and then parking her in FL to race all winter.

 

Is it likely that the VX One NAC will be in the bay or out in Lake Michigan? What will the weather be like in mid September?

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Most likely outside in Lake Michigan.

Don't leave your warm clothes behind, if you don't have warmer gear, I know a guy..... ;)

 

Seriously, it can be beautiful weather, but we can have a front coming. We will be racing in fall season. The water is not that cold this year, but still stingy.

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Sailed with 6 boats this weekend in Holland, MI doing some tuning, racing, practice and enjoying some high speed blasts down the harbor. This is a great boat, sailed in light and breeze conditions, in waves, salt water, and cold spring days. Nothing breaks, all the bits and pieces work like they are supposed to, we have fun with 2 or 3.

 

Looking forward to Nationals and then parking her in FL to race all winter.

 

Is it likely that the VX One NAC will be in the bay or out in Lake Michigan? What will the weather be like in mid September?

 

Water temps in Lake Mich have been really high so far this year, still 75 today. Expect water temps in high 60's unless wind is strong from East (rare occasion and great for racing).

 

Weather in September is less stable, you can have temps from 50's-70's, if waves are under 5' we'll race "outside" on the big lake. If they get over 5' they need to be from the right direction to allow us to get out on the lake. Lake Macatawa is big enough for good racing so we're not venue challenged. Also, the RC will go out in whatever wind the class wants. MBYC has a stout committee boat and RC that is not worried about weather.

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2016 VX1 NAC

The 2016 NAC was a great event. 23 entries. Strong wind for 3 days made for exciting runs and challenging upwind legs. The race venue was lovely and the race organizers all pro. The racers were all skilled and civil. This was an event where new owners and vets could get together and learn more about the boat, the national organization, and asymmetrical racing techniques. Thanks to all who worked behind the scene to pull this off.

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Exceeding 18 knots on the way to the race course gets the cobwebs out. Warm water and good to great breeze for 3 days too.

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