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Evil Gnome

Two Tribes

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Two Tribes is sold and is going to a new home to be sailed and enjoyed as it should

Evil

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Two Tribes is sold and is going to a new home to be sailed and enjoyed as it should

Evil

Actually staying at the same home (Wangi) with new owner.

Heading for weekly club racing at wangi and Lock Crowther Memorial in October for 2013. For 2014 who knows?

Awesome boat!

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Well done Gnome, now finish the glamour boat and get it unfolded!

Next Wangi would be a good hitout.

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The name 2_or_3 suggests a fleet owner maybe,

do I feel like a tri today or a cat.

 

Add to that a 50ft cruiser and you have the whole package

Or maybe going into the people smuggling trade :)

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If people smuggling then he will need to know what the multihull scene is like in PNG !!!!!

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Good to hear Evil.. now you can afford more shiny bits for the F85 :)

 

Hope to see the new TT owner racing my TT in this years HCW24 .

 

I beat her a couple of years back.... (only because they got dizzy faster than me and pulled out :) )... and eager for a rematch

 

Not often a TT720 can say it beat something like Two Tribes :P gotta finish it to win it as they say.... don't despair... she is actually quite a fast boat LOL

 

Cheers

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The name 2_or_3 suggests a fleet owner maybe,

do I feel like a tri today or a cat.

 

Add to that a 50ft cruiser and you have the whole package

Or maybe going into the people smuggling trade :)

Original name was XL2 but changed it in 2010 when bought LDT and still had XL2. Now a fleet owner unfortunately for as short a time as possible as LDT is for sale. My principle: never be between boats.

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Good to hear Evil.. now you can afford more shiny bits for the F85 :)

 

Hope to see the new TT owner racing my TT in this years HCW24 .

 

I beat her a couple of years back.... (only because they got dizzy faster than me and pulled out :) )... and eager for a rematch

 

Not often a TT720 can say it beat something like Two Tribes :P gotta finish it to win it as they say.... don't despair... she is actually quite a fast boat LOL

 

Cheers

No chance of that. If I sail for 24 hours I expect to get somewhere. Also HCW24 clashes with the Lock Crowther Memorial.

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Yeah it does seem a bit pointless sailing in circles... but it does have its charms and challenges.. just ask Evil.

 

They've fixed the clash... http://www.rmyctoronto.com.au/Sailing-Section/Heaven-Can-Wait so I expect to see a few more multis unless everyone is scared of some old school TT competition :) HA HA yeah right!

 

Seriously though its a pretty good testing ground for anyone thinking of longer Cat5n + coastal races in the future and its a good cause etc etc

 

 

Enjoy the new toy,

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congrats Paul and Clive. The multi merry-go-round. Love it

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It just makes me happy that Two Tribes will be raced around and not end up on a mooring somewhere, it is such a sweet boat and many thanks to Brenden Egan for designing it.

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It just makes me happy that Two Tribes will be raced around and not end up on a mooring somewhere, it is such a sweet boat and many thanks to Brenden Egan for designing it.

Evil

Brenden has been a friend of mine for many years and did a lot of miles with me on XL2 including the SSAA's Double Handed Lord Howe Island Race. I owe Brenden a debt of gratitude for that race and all the others he helped me with. He is the consummate navigator, calling the gybes up the Gladstone Channel. I have tremendous respect for Brenden as a sailor and as a designer.

Evil has done a wonderful job building Two Tribes. The boat is strong stiff and light and very fast! I hope I can do justice to Brenden's design and Evil's boatbuilding skill. I will be campaigning Two Tribes as budget allows and certainly sailing at Wangi as much as possible.

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+ 100 on Brendon (Flapper)....He has designed some truly awesome boats including monos and he does so with a huge amount before / during / after building info always willing to sail / race on them when the projects are finished for after sales service.

It still blows me away why more people don't use his designs or engineering skills in favour of the more well known designers. He gives absolute value for money + he is also a nice guy which is an added bonus.

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First sail (as owner) on Wednesday, just me and Nathan. Very little wind, boat felt fast and kept moving even when water was glassy and all around us (monos) had stopped.

Second sail on Saturday, me, Nathan and Stephen the Barber. Wind 8-15, water flat, lots of hull flying, upwind 14 kts downwind 19.

Great fun, can't wait to do it again. Looking forward to the Lock Crowther Memorial.

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Turning into a cruising boat. We have lazy jacks, 2:1 on rotation controls, a proper anchor and a spare, bucket with a lid, anchor/mooring cleats at the front, single burner propane stove, kettle. All we need now is a boom tent and sleeping bags and we will be ready for extensive coastal cruising.

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Can we see some pictures of this boat of which you speak?

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There we have Two Tribes sailing in the 2012 Nationals at Wangi steered by the evil gnome with racing crew + family on board.

I will post more pics soon.

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What year was she designed and what year was she launched?

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You can see from this shot who was concentrating on racing.

Just saying

Evil

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More photos of Two Tribes:

 

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Nuddy do you ever sleep? At least I have the two hour time difference to blame for this late hour

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Yes going to bed very soon. Ice Cat is up late too.

Whadyareckin, much the same as the Tennant - NOT!

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Ok then, much the same as Flat Chat, Hot Vindaloo, Mad Max, turning point, simply the best, foxy, let's stick together, Jaffa2, rapid ride, Matchless, Afterburner, swell chaser, Firefly, Orion, Cornish Meadow, Cynaphobe, indian chief, rum raider and many many more, too many to remember

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I like the boats this Egan geezer draws, both mono and multi, but he doesn't seem to have a website (?) please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Brendan and I were cellmates during the '95 AC in San Diego but I haven't seen him for ages.

 

Has anyone convinced him to come down for the Crowther this year?

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Where does Hurford Haedwoods fit in?Raced at Hoggies one year sure it was an Egan?

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Where does Hurford Haedwoods fit in?Raced at Hoggies one year sure it was an Egan?

I think that is Insulation Solutions, shown on OMR spreadsheet.

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for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

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Great opportunity for budding designer with Tenant gone, grainger not interested, Crowther moved to power. all the new design possibilities trickling down from European and AC technologies. If a informed bloke stepped in and invested time and effort, we could continue Aus dominance in multi sailing

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Great opportunity for budding designer with Tenant gone, grainger not interested, Crowther moved to power. all the new design possibilities trickling down from European and AC technologies. If a informed bloke stepped in and invested time and effort, we could continue Aus dominance in multi sailing

Yes Green boat you have a valid point, however the poor designers need people to buy their plans and build their boats! Who builds racing multis in Australia? Poor old Dux Nuts which everyone knows is a race winner can't even sell at 30K. the Box Boat guys are pouring heaps of time, effort and cash into their concept and i truly hope they don't run out of budget due to lack of real committed buyers. We have seen it all before. There is a clear lack of ownership interest at large in racing multis in Australia so it doesn't motivate a designer to poor his heart and soul into designing boats that only end up as renderings! Lets hope the AC gets lots of interest going from the mono racers that do have healthy budgets to spend on new racing boats.

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)

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Great opportunity for budding designer with Tenant gone, grainger not interested, Crowther moved to power. all the new design possibilities trickling down from European and AC technologies. If a informed bloke stepped in and invested time and effort, we could continue Aus dominance in multi sailing

Great opportunity for budding designer with Tenant gone, grainger not interested, Crowther moved to power. all the new design possibilities trickling down from European and AC technologies. If a informed bloke stepped in and invested time and effort, we could continue Aus dominance in multi sailing

Facts:

Malcolm Tennant died. I don't know if when he was alive he made a living out of multihull designing.

Tony Grainger never made a decent living out of multihull designing. When he tried he was surviving below the poverty line.

Lock Crowther subsidised his sailing design work with commercial multihull designs. When he died his son Brett took over and concentrated on the profitable commercial work, left the sailing boat work to Norm Silver for a while then Stuart Bloomfield. Stuart left the company and Brett gave him all the sailing designs (no money in them). Stuart moved to Melbourne and started Bloomfield Innovations, has designed some sail and some power but I don't think he is making a living out of that.

Brenden Egan has designed some very nice sailing Multihulls and some sports boat monos and I imagine he has made something out of it but certainly not a living. I don't know what he is doing now but certainly not living comfortably off his sailing designs.

 

The point is, you don't design sailing Multihulls to make a fortune, or even to make a living. You do it because you love it.

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

His name was/is LOCK

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)
He tried re-designing a Tennant. What a winner that was!

 

In the spirit of Sailing Anarchy.

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for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)

 

aint nobody got time for dat

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)
He tried re-designing a Tennant. What a winner that was!

 

In the spirit of Sailing Anarchy.

 

nuddy - such a little bitch, you KRudd and Julia supporter

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

 

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)
He tried re-designing a Tennant. What a winner that was!

In the spirit of Sailing Anarchy.

nuddy - such a little bitch, you KRudd and Julia supporter

Enough compliments . . . . . . .still proudly a Rudd and Gillard and carbon price supporter.

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)
He tried re-designing a Tennant. What a winner that was!

In the spirit of Sailing Anarchy.

nuddy - such a little bitch, you KRudd and Julia supporter

Enough compliments . . . . . . .still proudly a Rudd and Gillard and carbon price supporter.

 

Was a winner, able to resale straight away, getting most of my money back, think it had something to do with the colour

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Great opportunity for budding designer with Tenant gone, grainger not interested, Crowther moved to power. all the new design possibilities trickling down from European and AC technologies. If a informed bloke stepped in and invested time and effort, we could continue Aus dominance in multi sailing

Great opportunity for budding designer with Tenant gone, grainger not interested, Crowther moved to power. all the new design possibilities trickling down from European and AC technologies. If a informed bloke stepped in and invested time and effort, we could continue Aus dominance in multi sailing

Facts:

Malcolm Tennant died. I don't know if when he was alive he made a living out of multihull designing.

Tony Grainger never made a decent living out of multihull designing. When he tried he was surviving below the poverty line.

Lock Crowther subsidised his sailing design work with commercial multihull designs. When he died his son Brett took over and concentrated on the profitable commercial work, left the sailing boat work to Norm Silver for a while then Stuart Bloomfield. Stuart left the company and Brett gave him all the sailing designs (no money in them). Stuart moved to Melbourne and started Bloomfield Innovations, has designed some sail and some power but I don't think he is making a living out of that.

Brenden Egan has designed some very nice sailing Multihulls and some sports boat monos and I imagine he has made something out of it but certainly not a living. I don't know what he is doing now but certainly not living comfortably off his sailing designs.

 

The point is, you don't design sailing Multihulls to make a fortune, or even to make a living. You do it because you love it.

I think Ian Farrier would agree.

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More thread hijacking here but in regard to designers being commercially successful I believe the disconnect between designing awesome boats and having the people skills and business accruement to actually sell the plans / boats and manage a business don't necessarily go hand in hand. I suppose some want to keep it intimate?

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All Im saying is, now the focus is turning towards multis sailing again, if a person wanted to have a go at promoting their designs, now could be a good time

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for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

Spot on.....couldn't agree more.

BTW...Brendon probably riding his pushy somewhere..........he likes to do that.

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for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

Spot on.....couldn't agree more.

BTW...Brendon probably riding his pushy somewhere..........he likes to do that.

The only part to this you are missing is Grainger is way ahead on results than that of Eagan. To my knowledge only Voodoo Spirit has ever won anything of notability and that is only one National title.

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for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

Spot on.....couldn't agree more.

BTW...Brendon probably riding his pushy somewhere..........he likes to do that.

The only part to this you are missing is Grainger is way ahead on results than that of Eagan. To my knowledge only Voodoo Spirit has ever won anything of notability and that is only one National title.

I think I remember Brenden's first multi was an astounding performer, I don't remember its original name but is shown on the OMR spreadsheet as Insulation Solutions. There are lots of graingers in the results, there are lots of graingers out of results. You can't beat force of numbers. Brenden has 3 multihulls on the water as far as I know. Tony has dozens, maybe hundreds. So sure he is way ahead on results it would be unbelievable if it were otherwise.

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When it comes to results, Ian Farrier would be far ahead of every other multihull designer. He would also be far ahead on numbers of multihulls on the water.

 

Egan 3

Grainger hundreds?

Farrier thousands?

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I don't think farrier would be ahead on result sheet in most of the races I have done over the last 25 years including B2G, B2B S2C.AMOC, Hogs, ABRW, Multihull Rendevous Mostly Crowther, Grainger, and there is also Pescott, Shonning, Nicol in the early days but do acknowledge he "Farrier" has some good designs and runs on the board in the smaller trailable divisions. However haven't yet seen the potential of the new carbon frrr or the 22.

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I don't think farrier would be ahead on result sheet in most of the races I have done over the last 25 years including B2G, B2B S2C.AMOC, Hogs, ABRW, Multihull Rendevous Mostly Crowther, Grainger, and there is also Pescott, Shonning, Nicol in the early days but do acknowledge he "Farrier" has some good designs and runs on the board in the smaller trailable divisions. However haven't yet seen the potential of the new carbon frrr or the 22.

Even the races you mention i believe Farrier would come out on top if we are talking corrected time results. Remember the F27 beat Stars and Stripes. Then there are all the other races that you don't mention. How many times have non farriers come 1st 2nd or 3rd in div 2 at the nationals (must include corsairs as farriers in the same way that we include modified graingers as graingers).

My point being that the results record for a designer generally reflect the number of boats on the water from that designer. It shows that the designer is doing OK, that his designs ore not dogs, but it does not show that his designs are better than his competitors, just more frequent. If a designer has lots of boats on the water but they never feature in the results it would mean that his designs are probably dogs (for racing, could be excellent cruising boats). If a designer has lots of boats on the water and they feature lots in the results, that's just what you would expect. If a designer has very few boats on the water and they never feature in the results, that's what you would expect. If a designer has very few boats on the water and features in the results at all then someone is very lucky or one of his owners is an exceptional sailor or his boats are exceptional.

In my opinion the Farriers and Graingers feature in the results in about the same proportion as their frequency. Brenden Egan's designs have shown amazing performance for their size but their frequency being so low one would expect them to never feature in the corrected time results.

Having said all that, it is not corrected time results that interest me. I am more interested in what happens on the water. I bought a Lock Crowther design in 1991 because it would give me the most fun/$ on the water at the time. It did. I bought a modified Farrier (Corsair Sprint) in 2010 for the same reason. It did. I bought an Egan in 2013 for the same reason and even though I haven't raced it yet I have already had so much fun on the water that I know I will never regret that decision.

 

Having spoken to many people who have built Graingers and many people who have had Graingers built for them and to 2 of the 3 people who have built Egans, I stand by my statement:

"Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat."

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Strange argument.

 

Most boats built if trimarans would likely be Corsair and Farrier with the F27. If any multihull Its maybe Smith and Gemini catamarans.

 

Fastest production multihull is likely a beachcat... with accommodations, maybe a Seacart?

 

Not understanding what you get from corrected results? Whole point of rating is to make unequal boats equal. Put me on Seacart and Dennis on a Gemini and Dennis should win if rating system is fair.

 

Thinking if looking at corrected results it comes down to who built the most as Nuddy says... force of numbers.

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I don't think farrier would be ahead on result sheet in most of the races I have done over the last 25 years including B2G, B2B S2C.AMOC, Hogs, ABRW, Multihull Rendevous Mostly Crowther, Grainger, and there is also Pescott, Shonning, Nicol in the early days but do acknowledge he "Farrier" has some good designs and runs on the board in the smaller trailable divisions. However haven't yet seen the potential of the new carbon frrr or the 22.

Even the races you mention i believe Farrier would come out on top if we are talking corrected time results. Remember the F27 beat Stars and Stripes. Then there are all the other races that you don't mention. How many times have non farriers come 1st 2nd or 3rd in div 2 at the nationals (must include corsairs as farriers in the same way that we include modified graingers as graingers).

My point being that the results record for a designer generally reflect the number of boats on the water from that designer. It shows that the designer is doing OK, that his designs ore not dogs, but it does not show that his designs are better than his competitors, just more frequent. If a designer has lots of boats on the water but they never feature in the results it would mean that his designs are probably dogs (for racing, could be excellent cruising boats). If a designer has lots of boats on the water and they feature lots in the results, that's just what you would expect. If a designer has very few boats on the water and they never feature in the results, that's what you would expect. If a designer has very few boats on the water and features in the results at all then someone is very lucky or one of his owners is an exceptional sailor or his boats are exceptional.

In my opinion the Farriers and Graingers feature in the results in about the same proportion as their frequency. Brenden Egan's designs have shown amazing performance for their size but their frequency being so low one would expect them to never feature in the corrected time results.

Having said all that, it is not corrected time results that interest me. I am more interested in what happens on the water. I bought a Lock Crowther design in 1991 because it would give me the most fun/$ on the water at the time. It did. I bought a modified Farrier (Corsair Sprint) in 2010 for the same reason. It did. I bought an Egan in 2013 for the same reason and even though I haven't raced it yet I have already had so much fun on the water that I know I will never regret that decision.

 

Having spoken to many people who have built Graingers and many people who have had Graingers built for them and to 2 of the 3 people who have built Egans, I stand by my statement:

"Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat."

Nuddy, i'm not considering Farrier designs as racers. If you use your example that the more boats on the water the more race success they will have, Farrier is way behind. By comparison to the div 1 gun boats his same length designs are a long way off the pace. Racers are Div 1 boats. Farrier boats are Div 2 at best which makes them more of a cruising design. The only div 1 Farrier prior to the new F32sr's is Wilparina and that had to be highly modified and is still a way off the div 1 pace. Even the new F32SR has to date shown to be well of the pace of the gun div 1 boats like Mad Max and Morticia. it didn't even beat my old cruising design Raider at Airlie. The rating indicates the F32SR is not the grand prix boat that Farrier was advertising it to be a year or so a go. i guess thats what you end up with when you simply hot up and old cruising design, same as my boat. Had my boat had new modern hull shapes it would have been a different boat and up with the best of them because the rest of it is way ahead of most of the boats in this country. Farrier does design great family cruisers, not out and out racers. Grainger has been leading the pack with his designs for more than 25 years in this country and thats hard to dispute. His boats are faster and in my opinion look better. Sure, Farrier has an argument that his boats are much more trailable friendly but does it really matter if it takes 1 hour or 3 to put a boat together at a regatta? not to me it doesn't its part of the fun chatting in the carpark as we pack up the boat. Its a fruitless argument to try to compare Farrier's with Graingers, they are totally different as far as the results go and the purpose they were designed for. As for Brendon's boats, they are nice boats. There is not enough of them to really consider their success as its very limited. In saying that and to bring this thread back on track your boat, Two Tribes has shown potential and you are more than able to show us all how good it is if you take it to all the right regattas. we are looking forward to seeing you and Two Tribes at the Crowther. Sail it right and you will be the first cat over the line. I don't like anyones chances of catching the Seacart, Morticia though.

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for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

 

The only part to this you are missing is Grainger is way ahead on results than that of Eagan. To my knowledge only Voodoo Spirit has ever won anything of notability and that is only one National title.

As for Brendon's boats, they are nice boats. There is not enough of them to really consider their success as its very limited.

So nothing missing then.

 

Q. "is there a particular design philosophy difference between an Egan and a Grainger?"

 

A. "In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

 

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat."

 

Or to simplify, Tony Grainger is an Artist, Brenden Egan is an Engineer.

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I wasn't bagging the farriers to each his own as far as I see it and wanst met to be trolling.

Just from an old guy who has been around the tracks occasionally. Most of the time we raced Keith Glover and Bergy cleaned up just about everything on line and handicap and Mad Max seems to be doing a good job of things lately as well.

Count up the Graingers and Crowthers and aforementioned designs I think they would come out on top in my book however things might end up being a Seacart benefit in the future.

One year Trimiph won a Gladstone handicap and one for Willpy I believe.

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I have certainly been known to bag Farriers in my time. However the first AMOC I did (1990) was won by the F27 (with Joel Berg on board and doing a lot of the steering). When the F24 MkII first hit Geoff Berg was winning everything he entered. If we look at the history of inshore racing in Aust I think we will find a lot of Farriers in the results. I do think that apart from his folding system(s) Farrier has been a bit behind the times. Very late with rotating masts, square top sails buoyant floats. But as he says, he designs cruising boats and I think he does a good job of that.

I think Darren was talking line honors inshore.

If we are looking at line honors offshore then I think Lock had it tied up. But don't forget Adrian Rodgers with Shotover II, devastatingly quick boat when sailed by the right people.

Seacart 30 was disappointing in B-G this year but has been impressive on Pittwater and in the light wind Nationals. It would be interesting to see a SeaCart 26 inshore.

Anyway a long way off thread now.

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The B2G is a learning curve in itself as many have found along the way. There was talk of the seacart carrying too much weight for Gladdy.

Havent seen anything like the performance from the 26 as the 30 in the seacart.

Isn't the old owner Evil building a full on farrier. When will that be dukeing it out with the seacart and others?

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I have certainly been known to bag Farriers in my time. However the first AMOC I did (1990) was won by the F27 (with Joel Berg on board and doing a lot of the steering). When the F24 MkII first hit Geoff Berg was winning everything he entered. If we look at the history of inshore racing in Aust I think we will find a lot of Farriers in the results. I do think that apart from his folding system(s) Farrier has been a bit behind the times. Very late with rotating masts, square top sails buoyant floats. But as he says, he designs cruising boats and I think he does a good job of that.

I think Darren was talking line honors inshore.

If we are looking at line honors offshore then I think Lock had it tied up. But don't forget Adrian Rodgers with Shotover II, devastatingly quick boat when sailed by the right people.

Seacart 30 was disappointing in B-G this year but has been impressive on Pittwater and in the light wind Nationals. It would be interesting to see a SeaCart 26 inshore.

Anyway a long way off thread now.

 

The most important key to good performance is always the guy behind the wheel, and this is usually the first place to look with any good or bad performance.

 

However, I agree that I was late with using a rotating mast, but was also well aware of the performance advantages, and the only reason I did not use was they are more difficult to raise and lower, which made it too hard to rig fast single handed. Could have killed the F-27, which was simplicity in itself to rig fast, and a rotating mast may not have gone over well in the American market at that time. A major target market was the vast numbers of monohull sailors, who knew very little about multihulls, and they actually proved to be the majority of buyers as I recall. Here was a fast multihull that handled/tacked as well as their monohull, and it also had interior room!

 

The next design (my original version of the 1990 F-24) however had a rotating mast, but it was not until the 2002 F-33 that I considered I had the raising system really worked out, and easy enough for single handed rigging of a rotating mast.

 

However, late with square top mains? We were one of the first to have them in 1993 with the Formula F-27 and F-25C sail plans as developed by Randy Smyth. I could immediately see the benefits and they became standard across my range in around 1996.

 

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Did any Australian trailerable multihull even have a square top back then?

 

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One more possible difference. I could be wrong but I don't think Tony Grainger has designed an open bridgedeck cat with a carbon fibre I beam as the main crossbeam. This eliminates the need for a dolphin striker and 'anti-twisters'. Design philosophy difference?

 

 

 

for those not part of the australian multi scene

 

is there a particular design philosophy difference

 

between an Egan and a Grainger?

 

or a Tennant etc

 

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

 

construction method? etc

In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:

Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.

Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

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what is my cat then Nuddy? i'm pretty sure is a Grainger Raider, modified with carbon beams..no strikers or anti twisters and I'm darn sure TG designed it and Mastrome did the engineering with him for the beams. The result... it's probably the stiffest trailable cat thats sailing today in Australia and light years ahead of the standard Raider.

 

One more possible difference. I could be wrong but I don't think Tony Grainger has designed an open bridgedeck cat with a carbon fibre I beam as the main crossbeam. This eliminates the need for a dolphin striker and 'anti-twisters'. Design philosophy difference?

 

for those not part of the australian multi scene

is there a particular design philosophy difference

between an Egan and a Grainger?

or a Tennant etc

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

construction method? etc


In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:
Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.
Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

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I said I might be wrong and it appears I am. I don't know a lot about your boat. I know Tony designed the Raider and I know that Indian Chief is a modified Raider, built with Carbon Fibre where the Raider has Glass Fibre and I thought it had round carbon fibre crossbeams where the raider has round aluminium alloy crossbeams but was not aware that Tony had redesigned it to have a Carbon Fibre I beam as the main crossbeam. My apologies.

 

what is my cat then Nuddy? i'm pretty sure is a Grainger Raider, modified with carbon beams..no strikers or anti twisters and I'm darn sure TG designed it and Mastrome did the engineering with him for the beams. The result... it's probably the stiffest trailable cat thats sailing today in Australia and light years ahead of the standard Raider.

 

One more possible difference. I could be wrong but I don't think Tony Grainger has designed an open bridgedeck cat with a carbon fibre I beam as the main crossbeam. This eliminates the need for a dolphin striker and 'anti-twisters'. Design philosophy difference?

 

for those not part of the australian multi scene

is there a particular design philosophy difference

between an Egan and a Grainger?

or a Tennant etc

build materials? preferred platform dimensions? rig?

construction method? etc


In the spirit of sailing anarchy, my opinion:
Tony Grainger is an artist. Draws a very nice looking boat.
Brenden Egan is an engineer. Designs and engineers a very fast, efficient nice looking boat.

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I have certainly been known to bag Farriers in my time. However the first AMOC I did (1990) was won by the F27 (with Joel Berg on board and doing a lot of the steering). When the F24 MkII first hit Geoff Berg was winning everything he entered. If we look at the history of inshore racing in Aust I think we will find a lot of Farriers in the results. I do think that apart from his folding system(s) Farrier has been a bit behind the times. Very late with rotating masts, square top sails buoyant floats. But as he says, he designs cruising boats and I think he does a good job of that.

I think Darren was talking line honors inshore.

If we are looking at line honors offshore then I think Lock had it tied up. But don't forget Adrian Rodgers with Shotover II, devastatingly quick boat when sailed by the right people.

Seacart 30 was disappointing in B-G this year but has been impressive on Pittwater and in the light wind Nationals. It would be interesting to see a SeaCart 26 inshore.

Anyway a long way off thread now.

 

The most important key to good performance is always the guy behind the wheel, and this is usually the first place to look with any good or bad performance.

 

However, I agree that I was late with using a rotating mast, but was also well aware of the performance advantages, and the only reason I did not use was they are more difficult to raise and lower, which made it too hard to rig fast single handed. Could have killed the F-27, which was simplicity in itself to rig fast, and a rotating mast may not have gone over well in the American market at that time. A major target market was the vast numbers of monohull sailors, who knew very little about multihulls, and they actually proved to be the majority of buyers as I recall. Here was a fast multihull that handled/tacked as well as their monohull, and it also had interior room!

 

The next design (my original version of the 1990 F-24) however had a rotating mast, but it was not until the 2002 F-33 that I considered I had the raising system really worked out, and easy enough for single handed rigging of a rotating mast.

 

However, late with square top mains? We were one of the first to have them in 1993 with the Formula F-27 and F-25C sail plans as developed by Randy Smyth. I could immediately see the benefits and they became standard across my range in around 1996.

 

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Did any Australian trailerable multihull even have a square top back then?

 

Ian Farrier

 

Farrier Marine

Designs That Work

Pretty sure the famous Grainger design tris, Riverside Oaks, Silent Running and Born to Run did and they were years ahead of any other trailable multi on the racing scene then and not too shabby still now. Surely you'd remember them Ian!

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Also Hard Yakka/Awlgrip On/APCII with the 'proper' wing mast.

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Did any Australian trailerable multihull even have a square top back then?

 

Ian Farrier

 

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Pretty sure the famous Grainger design tris, Riverside Oaks, Silent Running and Born to Run did and they were years ahead of any other trailable multi on the racing scene then and not too shabby still now. Surely you'd remember them Ian!

 

 

Remember them well, Silent Running did a hand stand right in front of our F-31 in the 1991 Australian Nationals in only 15 - 20 knots, and we had to take avoiding action. Could not believe how easily he went in, but that is what one gets with a tall rig on skinny hulls. I think we were still faster in every race too, in spite of all our extra room inside, and I can't remember him having a square top? Photos?

 

Riverside Oaks was also in the same series, but again I can't remember him having a square top? Photos or it did not happen.

 

Same for Born To Run - don't recall any square Top? Photos?

 

I also remember Hard Yakka. The owner Trottie even came by our Tramp on a wet and wind night at Fraser Island, looking for a dry bunk as there wasn't one on his tri. Always felt guilty about turning him away as my Tramp back then had a rather unique cuddy cabin, with just enough room for three inside, and no cockpit cabin. Ever since, I have always tried to have an emergency extra bunk somewhere, and in the F-22 it is under the cockpit. Should call it the Trottie bunk, as Doug is the main reason for it.

 

I also don't recall Hard Yakka having a square top back then? Photos?

 

I'm sure I have photos of the first F-27 to have a square top back around 1992, and of the above boats without them, but I'm out of the office at present, and can't access my old photo files (actual photos) until next week.

 

I also remember having to take a major sailmaker to task, who was trying to sabotage square tops on the F-25C and Formula F-27 by sending out free pinhead mainsails around 1993 I think, to try and stop the use of square tops. I suspect this was because their then sail molds could not make a square top. However, they are fully onboard now, but I did have to put a note on the sail plans warning builders that monohull sailmakers may not support square tops, and could try to persuade them not to do it.

 

I was using curved lifting foils 20 years before anyone else, and square tops were another early feature of F-boats. The 1994 F-24 Mk II had one as standard.

 

So Nuddy, I think you owe me an apology?

 

And a bit more on the subject previously being discussed here, or which designer has the most race wins. But first a warning - it is a bit long and contains a lot of logic and common sense, which is not always to everyone's taste:

 

How many wins by which designer is all a bit irrelevant in the real world, as probably the most important factor for good race results is the skill of the crew aboard. My designs are certainly not the fastest, as they also provide room coupled with a safe power to weight ratio, so there will always be something faster. But F-boats are certainly fast enough,

 

What really counts is the most important race of all, which is the one that interests me more, and also most buyers. This is the viability race, or overall performance, where the race starts just after a family of 4 arrives at the ramp, with boat legally roadworthy on trailer. Gun goes off, they rig and launch it themselves (no crane or outside assistance allowed), and then sail around an Olympic triangle to end at an anchorage.

A basic lunch must then be cooked using the onboard galley, with all four sitting around the dining table to consume.
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They then clean up, and have a quick 5 minute (timed) nap in the four berths, with the parents using the onboard double.
Anchor is now pulled up and boat is sailed directly back to the ramp where race ends on the trailer, with boat fully de-rigged ready for the road, and again without any outside assistance.
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An disassembly process not going so well - all
the Trailertris and F-boats had long gone by now
The above is the only race that really matters in the real world, where boats have to be sellable, and bills have to be paid, and F-boats will do very well in such a race, if not being unbeatable.
Winning races with an over rigged stick boat that takes hours to rig can sure be something to boast about, but just about anyone could design such boats. It all comes down to the biggest rig with the least amount of room winning. It is much harder to provide room and easy trailerability as well, or a practical boat with real advantages and features that appeal to the majority of buyers.
Owners of such boats will also not lose their shirts on resale value, which makes it much easier to buy another multihull (that works), growing the multihull market, and avoiding what is very small niche market for the impractical and uncomfortable.
Some may very well enjoy spending hours to rig up, as they can then chat to their few friends who are also spending hours at the ramp. However this is not really a good selling feature, and I don't know of anyone advertising their boat where taking hours to setup is claimed as an advantage and a great conversation starter.
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Valid points Ian but I think everyone in this thread already knew what you think is important.

 

Semi related question, assuming you made the same amount of money designing and selling your current boats as opposed to occasionally designing all out race machines that won line honours which would you choose?

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Valid points Ian but I think everyone in this thread already knew what you think is important.

Semi related question, assuming you made the same amount of money designing and selling your current boats as opposed to occasionally designing all out race machines that won line honours which would you choose?

I know this is sailing Anarchy and I know I didn't start this thread, but Two Tribes is now my boat and I would really appreciate it if we could get these discussions onto another thread.

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Valid points Ian but I think everyone in this thread already knew what you think is important.

Semi related question, assuming you made the same amount of money designing and selling your current boats as opposed to occasionally designing all out race machines that won line honours which would you choose?

I know this is sailing Anarchy and I know I didn't start this thread, but Two Tribes is now my boat and I would really appreciate it if we could get these discussions onto another thread.

 

 

Fuck off i'm the ONLY one that apologized for thread hijack. I didn't de-rail it on my own!

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Valid points Ian but I think everyone in this thread already knew what you think is important.

Semi related question, assuming you made the same amount of money designing and selling your current boats as opposed to occasionally designing all out race machines that won line honours which would you choose?

I know this is sailing Anarchy and I know I didn't start this thread, but Two Tribes is now my boat and I would really appreciate it if we could get these discussions onto another thread.

 

 

Fuck off i'm the ONLY one that apologized for thread hijack. I didn't de-rail it on my own!

Nobody accused you of that. Everybody's guilty. It is Sailing Anarchy. Calm down and get over to the new thread.

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Tore the traveller track off the rear crossbeam yesterday. Not sure how it was held on but it ain't no more.

Will be going for a bigger track section and shorter length.

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Tore the traveller track off the rear crossbeam yesterday. Not sure how it was held on but it ain't no more.

Will be going for a bigger track section and shorter length.

 

I noticed the wind pick up as the race started, wondered the reasons why 3 multi's gave up early, the whole alfeds race was cancelled.

I hate westerlies in Pittwater - so much variation in wind strength

when you were packing up you were just off my jetty

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11.30 start. Beat to stokes was typical. Then the SW hit with a bang just after we rounded stokes, heading for woody. Gusts to 35 with the usual nothing in between. Lots of impact loads on the main sheet. Got 2 reefs in on the second lap, then had an over ride on the jib sheet and had to cut it. That was enough strong wind practice for us for the day. Running second to voodoo spirit at the time. I we had kept going it would have been Egans 1-2. I think Pete Barron retired because it is not good to damage someone else's boat, esp when owner is not aboard.

Multi 23 went well in the conditions.

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Yes I agree. I think for a good leader like loch who was brilliant and approachable. now is the time to stand up and show the way. I think there is now, more than ever a chance for multis to take more of a share of the sailing dollar

Best you get designing then. Now you are over on the island of creativity you should be fine to come up with some real winners!!! :-)
He tried re-designing a Tennant. What a winner that was!

In the spirit of Sailing Anarchy.

nuddy - such a little bitch, you KRudd and Julia supporter

Enough compliments . . . . . . .still proudly a Rudd and Gillard and carbon price supporter.

Hey Paul

 

I have a few ton of Carbon would you like to buy it please.

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nuddy - such a little bitch, you KRudd and Julia supporter

Enough compliments . . . . . . .still proudly a Rudd and Gillard and carbon price supporter.

Hey Paul

 

I have a few ton of Carbon would you like to buy it please.

interesting that TT's main track came away from the carbon back beam over the weekend.

now paul is paying for carbon

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Last Friday was TTs first ocean outing. Today was TTs first ocean race. Only Morticia, Indian Chief and Voodoo Spirit ahead of us. Swapped places with Voodoo Spirit a couple of times. We still have a few bugs to iron out, just relearning the boat. No spin for the downwind leg. Very happy so far.

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So Nuddy, Do you think that Two Tribes is a safe boat for an ocean race like Coffs now you have poked the bows outside? We don't want to lose you now all these threads have been started!

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have you met Paul, his enthusiasm overcomes his age, he'll have the east coast covered soon

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I had an unfortunate call today from a relative at Fishing Point on Lake Macquarie, TWO TRIBES capsized ,mast in the mud, righted by combined efforts of marine rescue and police boat. mast still standing afterwards. I hope everyone and the boat is ok Nuddy.

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Nuddy

heard recovery ok and everyone OK

Lose the mainsheet cleat m8

hope all's well

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I had an unfortunate call today from a relative at Fishing Point on Lake Macquarie, TWO TRIBES capsized ,mast in the mud, righted by combined efforts of marine rescue and police boat. mast still standing afterwards. I hope everyone and the boat is ok Nuddy.

Boat is ok. Myself and crew ok. Mast was due for a thorough inspection anyway, just moved that up the priority list.

Marine Rescue did the job. Waterways stood by.

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Hope all is well Nuddy with Yourself, the crew and Two Tribes, we were a bit concerned with no posts since 09.07 Saturday. I hope this doesn't set back your sailing / racing agenda for the upcoming season to much.

 

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Nuddy

heard recovery ok and everyone OK

Lose the mainsheet cleat m8

hope all's well

All's well. Good recovery. Mainsheet was not cleated. Hand held and fully released. Jib sheet was cleated until too late. In future jib sheet will be hand held too.

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Hope all is well Nuddy with Yourself, the crew and Two Tribes, we were a bit concerned with no posts since 09.07 Saturday. I hope this dosen't set back your sailing / racing agenda for the upcoming season to much.Shaun

Thanks Shaun

Yes all well. Minor setback. Mast coming off sooner than planned. Won't be doing ocean race on 10th November.

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wow

 

over on cleated jib

 

these powered up cats are a handfull

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wow

 

over on cleated jib

 

these powered up cats are a handfull

3 hands full, 1 for tiller, 1 for mainsheet, 1 for jib sheet.

It was gusting to 22 knots, officially. Should have had a reef in and hand held jib sheet.

 

Mast comes off tomorrow.

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Yesterday was a day of strong wind gusts, in Port Stephens we sat on all sheets at all times. No idea of wind strength but we often hit 18 knots SOG close beam and broad reaching.

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I had an unfortunate call today from a relative at Fishing Point on Lake Macquarie, TWO TRIBES capsized ,mast in the mud, righted by combined efforts of marine rescue and police boat. mast still standing afterwards. I hope everyone and the boat is ok Nuddy.

Boat is ok. Myself and crew ok. Mast was due for a thorough inspection anyway, just moved that up the priority list.

Marine Rescue did the job. Waterways stood by.

 

Good to hear.

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What point of sail were you on el Nuddy?

close hauled.

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Mast is off and gone to Roospar at Gosford. No apparent damage except for MUDDD.

Needs a good check over/maintenance after 7 years of use.

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New rigging?

Yes, 2 new spin halyards, new caps and forestay, check rod diamonds & replace if needed, new rotation spanner, check all sheaves and replace if needed. Add a winch to the mast?

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I had an unfortunate call today from a relative at Fishing Point on Lake Macquarie, TWO TRIBES capsized ,mast in the mud, righted by combined efforts of marine rescue and police boat. mast still standing afterwards. I hope everyone and the boat is ok Nuddy.

Should start a new thread, " the capsize of Two Tribes"

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I had an unfortunate call today from a relative at Fishing Point on Lake Macquarie, TWO TRIBES capsized ,mast in the mud, righted by combined efforts of marine rescue and police boat. mast still standing afterwards. I hope everyone and the boat is ok Nuddy.

Should start a new thread, " the capsize of Two Tribes"

When we already have one titled TWO TRIBES?..........OK.........WHY!

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why have mono one thread when you can multi threads ?

 

its gotta be better, like dual exhausts on an orange Hyundai Excel

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I had an unfortunate call today from a relative at Fishing Point on Lake Macquarie, TWO TRIBES capsized ,mast in the mud, righted by combined efforts of marine rescue and police boat. mast still standing afterwards. I hope everyone and the boat is ok Nuddy.

Should start a new thread, " the capsize of Two Tribes"

It would be a very short thread. I don't think there would be much discussion.

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I am interested to here how it was righted, pulled over the bows, side? and damage in the process and any lessons learnt from what happened?

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