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And POP! BP suddenly back on AIS 4 (four!) NM out from LSDO. Bit pity that the VG breaks its own Sailing Instructions. It seems marketing and/or egos are more important that sailor safety. QED.

+1 . it erodes their credibility.

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And POP! BP suddenly back on AIS 4 (four!) NM out from LSDO. Bit pity that the VG breaks its own Sailing Instructions. It seems marketing and/or egos are more important that sailor safety. QED.

DO you seriously believe that, or are you just trying to start a stupid rumour? I can guarantee that VG Race Direction have never asked BP t turn off AIS.

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This has been an AMAZINGLY brilliant, nailbiting, edge-of-your-seat, stomach in knots for days kind of race! And now, a sigh of relief for the frontrunners with the finish in site

 

Of course, winning the Vendee IS the goal! Hard to imagine those who themselves through it just for the helluvit? :)

 

Yet it's silly to say people remember only the winners and no one who came in behind. In previous VGs, many recall much more vividly the dramas/challenges overcome by, say, JPD, AT, LeCam, Ellen, Bilou, etc, etc., than the actual winner that year. Er... without having to check google. ;) It created keen interest in seeing what they would do next, following their races between VGs, would they return for another go-round in four years?

 

When they do, they are the first of the lot I check in on, no matter if in 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th or last. In immeasurable ways, the value to a sponsor grows even greater.

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BP hardly looks like it just did a lap. Even the main looks out of the box. Amazingly clean.

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Also looking forward to the continued foil development following this race. Expecting mass improvements in the next four years. Better start a thread.

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Few minutes ago Michel Desjoyaux asked ALC "have you mechanical problem? answer "my main problem is I broke the hook of j1 in south pacific, I am sailing Whithout J1 since 1 month.

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. Given all the problems the other boats have had and the fact he gave up 700nm going up the Atlantic. There was just no way that Armel had a boat going 100% all the time. Several times there was a comment that AT's sail plan was either better from the start or due to attrition. Now we know attrition was a part of that.

 

 

The MichDes "Say Absolutely Nothing About Your Troubles During the Race" method that Gabart used last time as well.

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Congrats to Armel. Hell of a race.

 

How long to AT crosses? And based on the tack BP is on we should have a good view of the famous broken foil.

 

WetHog

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What an incredible victory! Congratulations to Armel and Banque Populaire for an extraordinary lap of this Marble!

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Congrats to Armel. Hell of a race.

 

How long to AT crosses? And based on the tack BP is on we should have a good view of the famous broken foil.

 

WetHog

 

In the dark.

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Congrats to Armel. Hell of a race.

 

How long to AT crosses? And based on the tack BP is on we should have a good view of the famous broken foil.

 

WetHog

 

 

I thought AT said at some point that he was able to finally remove the broken foil... If I'm remembering correctly, all we'll see is the absence of the foil.

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Congrats to Armel. Hell of a race.

 

How long to AT crosses? And based on the tack BP is on we should have a good view of the famous broken foil.

 

WetHog

 

 

I thought AT said at some point that he was able to finally remove the broken foil... If I'm remembering correctly, all we'll see is the absence of the foil.

 

 

Really? Clearly missed that news. Thanks

 

WetHog

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So has the record been smashed by 10 days?

It's 4 days according to wiki

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vend%C3%A9e_Globe

yes "only" 4 days. Surprising really considering the fast run down and foils. Would have expected a 7+ day shaving of the record

Sam Davies just commented that the ice exclusion zone caused a more narrow corridor between the Saint Helena High in the SO limiting routing and possible lap times.

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And POP! BP suddenly back on AIS 4 (four!) NM out from LSDO. Bit pity that the VG breaks its own Sailing Instructions. It seems marketing and/or egos are more important that sailor safety. QED.

DO you seriously believe that, or are you just trying to start a stupid rumour? I can guarantee that VG Race Direction have never asked BP t turn off AIS.

 

Then how do you explain it!

 

Its no rumour that the signals as shown by the two AIS websites did what folk here have said and I have used the AIS websites very frequently over several years and have never seen anything like this before. It cannot be a set of coincidences in my opinion, but if you know better then give us an explanatioon please.

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Raw emotion from Armel. Shows just how much pressure this guy has been under. Especially the last week or so.

 

Hats off to him.

 

WetHog

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Congrats to Armel. Hell of a race.

 

How long to AT crosses? And based on the tack BP is on we should have a good view of the famous broken foil.

 

WetHog

 

 

I thought AT said at some point that he was able to finally remove the broken foil... If I'm remembering correctly, all we'll see is the absence of the foil.

 

I believe he was able to fully retract the foil, so the broken bit isn't sticking out anymore.

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Raw emotion from Armel. Shows just how much pressure this guy has been under. Especially the last week or so.

 

Hats off to him.

 

WetHog

Yes. Nice to see that he's actually human!

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nice to see that playing a role of robot for 74 day..... still leaves a human in it....

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So many people on board BP! Come on go up the chenal now while it's daylight!

 

Congrats....

 

They said they are waiting for the fireworks, I mean the tide to be just right before he comes up the channel.

 

WetHog

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Grabbing his kids on the boat is another nice moment. What a race.

 

WetHog

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Hosts did best to paint the Armel's canned responses about Alex in favorable light...Wish he would show just a bit of the graciousness that Gabart extended to him last time.

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Hosts did best to paint the Armel's canned responses about Alex in favorable light...Wish he would show just a bit of the graciousness that Gabart extended to him last time.

Terribly scripted, but then I guess he must be knackered, difficult to be spontaneous in such a context.

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Reading through the lines of his own English, I think "He give me a hard life.." Says it all...

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Hosts did best to paint the Armel's canned responses about Alex in favorable light...Wish he would show just a bit of the graciousness that Gabart extended to him last time.

 

He was answering the questions about Alex in English. Clearly not his native tongue. I think you are reading to much into what he said.

 

WetHog

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Thanks Moody for the 24hr plot and explanation, it sums up the race.

 

ALC without J1, hmm, that hurts.

 

So the biggest equipment test has its winner,

(extra, Joyon on Idec trimaran had his tack of furler getting free too).

 

And what a moronic comments the lasts days of a few here, but that is normal.

Instead of looking here more for information, it became less :) But I made some weird comments too, it happens in 74 days..

But thanks for all the guys and girls sharing the good stuff.

 

Now which boat would I like to sail on, BP or HB...

HB, i like the sexy look.

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Cut him some slack. He was under a lot of pressure, might have become the eternal 2nd, with la grande nation watching and all, because the S Atlantic weather played it to the incredibly tough guy in a (multiply) wounded boat behind him. No wonder he cracked when the reporter mentioned stress. Great guy. What a race, especially the last part up the Atlantic.

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Congratulations ALC.... Well done and well deserved.......

 

But according to forss's tracker, ALC still hasn't finished???? 24.5nm to be precise and at just under 10 knots VMG, that is at least another two and a half hours to go...... So how much (official) tactical bullshit and non information including AIS has been going on for the last few days????

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I recall when ALC finished 2nd last time. During the immediate post-race interview he was being congratulated on the close battle and finishing second and he said, "But no one remembers who came second" with a very despondent tone.

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It's been a lot of fun to tune in each day and watch everyone's progress. I was rooting for Alex, but not against Armel or anyone else. Congrats to Armel on the win and new record. I assume Alex will be back.

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Each and everyone of these Skippers are Super Human.

 

And hats off to the French for their on-going support of this crazy thing we call Around Alone.

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Congratulations to Armel and his team for a great achievement, and to Alex for making this edition of the VG a great race.

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Congratulations ALC.... Well done and well deserved.......

 

But according to forss's tracker, ALC still hasn't finished???? 24.5nm to be precise and at just under 10 knots VMG, that is another two and a half hours to go...... So how much (official) tactical bullshit and non information including AIS has been going on for the last few days????

I agree. This is a black eye to organizers who say one thing, but do another. One hour updates my ass and I also agree with Staysail that it is damn interesting an AIS system rumored to not work all of a sudden appears at a time when I truly doubt the skipper was effecting repairs. It is a sign of disrespect to the many thousands of people watching from the distance. I remember with the VOR how exciting it was to see the boats pop up as they neared a shore line and how it kept interest going.

 

bad form Vendee Globe, bad form.

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Congratulations to Armel and his team for a great achievement, and to Alex for making this edition of the VG a great race.

Agree!

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I sincerely doubt that the organization limited access to ais considering the very low % of overall person interested and even aware of the existence of an AIS tracking.

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... and a huge, huge thank you to forss, Herman and others for the software, hard work and insights that have made this race a pleasure to follow.

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And 4 boats haven't even rounded Cape Horn...

 

Yann up to 4th!

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They keep pushing back the restart time for the live coverage on the youtube channel.

 

Whats the problem? Fireworks, I mean tide not ready yet?

 

WetHog

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This race was really competitive, and especially thanks to AT's performance.

Congrats to ALC, this is well deserved!

 

Considering that the next edition will be in 2020(/1), the VG org should now consider another approach to deliver live information feed.

 

They have gone a long way with the website in the last editions but when I recently heard an interview with the VG-whatever-something director, I felt the bloke was stuck back in the 90s. I don't think they realised yet that there is a great opportunity to bring international sponsors into play. With all due respect to the local county/region and sandwich makers, they now need to open to international sponsors and provide English and non EU timezones quality feeds. The virtual race result speak for themselves in terms of geo exposure!

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The fat lady is into her final warmup.

 

Well done to both armel and Alex for probably the most awesome single handed around the world match race history has seen. Fra has beaten Eng but only just,

 

All the armchair experts will say Alex lost due to collision, but hey that's sailing/

 

Kudos to both for finishing this epic race! A pleasure to watch

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Congrats to ALC for the victory, and another round of applause to AT for such a strong challange.

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Seriously how many boats need to circle BP going up the chenal ? It makes it harder to see ALC :unsure:

 

BTW it will be so strange to see JB live after over a month of footage silence with his comms issues ! I think he will be one of the happiest on the podium !

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So, should AT keep pushing hard, put in his best possible time and minimum delta to winner, finishing around 3:30 AM local with only the die-hard fans watching, with the media opportunities all in the dark?

 

Or should he strike most of his sails, announce to the media and fans that he's planning to finish at 9 AM local, go sleep for 4 hours or more, with more people attending and daylight media opportunities?

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So, should AT keep pushing hard, put in his best possible time and minimum delta to winner, finishing around 3:30 AM local with only the die-hard fans watching, with the media opportunities all in the dark?

 

Or should he strike most of his sails, announce to the media and fans that he's planning to finish at 9 AM local, go sleep for 4 hours or more, with more people attending and daylight media opportunities?

Finish the race surely! Imagine he didn't, then over night something went wrong.

 

He will go through that line as soon as he can.

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So, should AT keep pushing hard, put in his best possible time and minimum delta to winner, finishing around 3:30 AM local with only the die-hard fans watching, with the media opportunities all in the dark?

 

Or should he strike most of his sails, announce to the media and fans that he's planning to finish at 9 AM local, go sleep for 4 hours or more, with more people attending and daylight media opportunities?

 

Excellent point +1 The later would be logical however he might just wanna finish once and for all.

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Yes AT will push hard to finish but not as hard as when he was chasing BP. He will rest up and come up the chenal at the next rising tide in daylight for maximum HUGO BOSS exposure :ph34r:

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Good thoughts, thanks. Additionally, I just noticed the wind is diminishing and working toward being a headwind. He'd look like a dumbass if he did what I suggested and then the wind crapped out and he was beating into 3 knots until noon with a flotilla watching.

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Congratulations Armel Le Cléac'h, Banque Populaire VIII and team. Awesome win.

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I sincerely doubt that the organization limited access to ais considering the very low % of overall person interested and even aware of the existence of an AIS tracking.

The amount of small boats that I saw surrounding BP I would almost agree with VG if they did say to turn it off so that dick eds in ribs couldn't join the smash up. Seriously retarded many of those folk out on the water today.

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So when did it happen exactly, going up the Atlantic there was probably a lot of time where he missed it

Exact answer was I have no J1 since 1 or 1andhalf month, we have to wait to know more.

In the bfm video I looked at I didn't get that part of the interview at all, any link ?

Armel said his J1 had been gone for 1.5 month

 

The whoo hoo song for armel:

It's been performed by Blur.

 

In the end: The reason for the loss of Alex Thomson, Hugo Boss was his downfolded rail.

I know for sure.

Want to see the calcs?

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Le Cam congratulating Armel for winning and thanking him for not letting an Englishman win as they already got Trafalgar thus the Vendée should stay French. :rolleyes:

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I wonder how ALC is going to get off the boat with that armada of reporters on the edge of the pontoon :D

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Yes AT will push hard to finish but not as hard as when he was chasing BP. He will rest up and come up the chenal at the next rising tide in daylight for maximum HUGO BOSS exposure :ph34r:

Finally with a update. At the moment I'd say he's in the not pushing hard department, but more like cruise mode. He's got @ 16+ kts of breeze and puttering along at 10 with a wind angle I believe would give more. Certainly he needs to keep moving forward, but if we did that math, 101 miles to go at 10 kts put a crossing at 10 hours from now. A safe guess would be he pull in as the sun rises. SO yes, keep moving forward, take time to rest, clean up a bit and be ready for the press of people.

 

Since he is inside 100 miles, it would be nice to get closer reports of his progress since at night, I doubt he'll have the same flotilla as ALC following him in.

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Yes AT will push hard to finish but not as hard as when he was chasing BP. He will rest up and come up the chenal at the next rising tide in daylight for maximum HUGO BOSS exposure :ph34r:

Finally with a update. At the moment I'd say he's in the not pushing hard department, but more like cruise mode. He's got @ 16+ kts of breeze and puttering along at 10 with a wind angle I believe would give more. Certainly he needs to keep moving forward, but if we did that math, 101 miles to go at 10 kts put a crossing at 10 hours from now. A safe guess would be he pull in as the sun rises. SO yes, keep moving forward, take time to rest, clean up a bit and be ready for the press of people.

 

Since he is inside 100 miles, it would be nice to get closer reports of his progress since at night, I doubt he'll have the same flotilla as ALC following him in.

 

 

Doesn't he have to choose between righting moment and leeway on port tack? That might be a bigger reason.

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More like 12 hours for Alex given the lightening headwinds and no starboard foil. Sadly I'll have to stay up late to follow his arrival, which I sure hope they give decent coverage to.

 

One more BIG THANK YOU to forss for his amazing tracker and his continuous development of it. I've been following these kinds of races for decades now and this was by far the most engaging because of it.

 

And like many others, thanks to the commentators here who have actually done this race or something similar. I sail on a lake, so not quite the same experience!

 

And I cannot agree more that we the sailors surely remember many of those who have not won the Vendee, and nobody, but nobody, could forget Alex's achievement this time. I'm just so sorry he did not win it, but hopefully we will have the pleasure of following him again in four years.

 

Am I the only one who delighted in listening to Sam Davies talking on the live arrival? I can't wait to follow her in four years time, she was amazing 8 years ago.

 

Finally, I will try to follow all the rest as they struggle on and hope they all make it back safely.

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Lack of stbd foil means AT is going to be off pace with AWA forward of beam. There's the steering issue also. I think he's just trying to get some rest after being up while in Channel approaches, and nursing the boat home.

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Lack of stbd foil means AT is going to be off pace with AWA forward of beam. There's the steering issue also. I think he's just trying to get some rest after being up while in Channel approaches, and nursing the boat home.

I wonder. The steering issue may not affect him on port. I was thinking the issue was somehow with the port rudder housing or linkage.

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The live press conference with Armel should be starting soonish. (already delayed once.)

 

I've slept very well through his arrival. :unsure:

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BP8 sold to Louis Burton.

That's good, he's doing a great first VG.

 

+1

 

 

This is not Louis' first VG attempt. He collided with a fishing boat off Portugal IIRC, in the previous go-around.

 

He's doing great this time, so far.

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Am I the only one who delighted in listening to Sam Davies talking on the live arrival? I can't wait to follow her in four years time, she was amazing 8 years ago.

 

 

Seriously, so much better than the hosts on Vendee Live. Who is the man she was doing the commentary with?

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During his press conference he sid that after breaking his J1 hook, his team told him that all the other hooks (from the same maker) were in fact under "sized"(not the right word, under specified or something), anybody know which hoooks he had ? Karver ? Other ?

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That's Sam? Nice work.

 

Looking through the public IMOCA OD mast files (Appendix C-1) the sail hooks / halyard locks are not defined.

The mast track system is fixed, Harken HGV-H27.

 

 

Overall the mast seems quite open compared to the keel, where just about every component seems to be defined.

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so how many of the foilers do we know have been sold already?

2? BP to Louis and Gitana to Boris. Any others? Safran I wouldn't really expect to be sold. Virbac probably would be sold eventually, although it seems to clearly be the slowest of the foilers.

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Copy book effort by Armel, particularly Cape Town onwards...a well deserved win. The race to take positions 4 - 6 is going to be fun to watch these coming days.

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so how many of the foilers do we know have been sold already?

2? BP to Louis and Gitana to Boris. Any others? Safran I wouldn't really expect to be sold. Virbac probably would be sold eventually, although it seems to clearly be the slowest of the foilers.

I think Hugo boss potentially reduces the value of these foilers. It points to the opportunity for a new design to go further along the hb route and away from the max full bow of bp8 etc al. Anyone going for a new build may have a significant advantage over these boats.

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so how many of the foilers do we know have been sold already?

2? BP to Louis and Gitana to Boris. Any others? Safran I wouldn't really expect to be sold. Virbac probably would be sold eventually, although it seems to clearly be the slowest of the foilers.
I think Hugo boss potentially reduces the value of these foilers. It points to the opportunity for a new design to go further along the hb route and away from the max full bow of bp8 etc al. Anyone going for a new build may have a significant advantage over these boats.

Rule changes and grandfathering will keep older boats out there. They have a lot of data now to produce the next generation with a lot confidence. I also would expect to see other designers now cracking the foiler egg.

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