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Looks like BA is well down the path to developing a strong UK Team for the next cup.


- BA Skipper, head of sailing team

- Grant Simmer? - CEO?

- Strong UK team with a chance to win not just compete

- Funding - looks like they have had some initial talks.

- Funding may change for a NZ campaign where there will be more reliance on private backers (NZ based campaign would not be as easy to put together a corporate sponsorship package.




Extremely interesting and insightful interview.


Again - well done to the guys at Sailracing magazine




Sail Racing Magazine Podcast Episode 26 - Oracle Team USA tactician Sir Ben Ainslie

September 13, 2013

The day after British Olympic hero Sir Ben Ainslie got the call up to sub in as tactician for Oracle Team USA in the America's Cup Final series, we sat down with him at the American syndicate's team base at San Francisco's Pier 80.


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If any country and "team" could ever surpass NZ it would be the Brits. Why is everyone so keen to have Simmer?

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who pays BA? sponsor? he will be an mericun next lap

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Bout time the Poms were back in this thing. But they won't be good enough to take out AC35.

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Does the UK have a strong fast performance boat building industry now? The talent they have in F1 (mentioned before in posts) for engineering and teamwork would stand them in very good stead. Their specialist auto engineering talent is the finest in the world.

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who pays BA? sponsor?

 

That's the key question, to which there isn't an answer right now.

 

He's suggested mostly private "investors" i.e. not primarily sponsorship.

 

There are a lot of very wealthy individuals from all over the world with homes in and around London. Most however seem more interested in horses or football than sailing.

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Does the UK have a strong fast performance boat building industry now?

 

For boats powered by a couple of throbbing marine diesels, absolutely.

 

It's a solvable problem if the ££££ is there. Funding is the key question.

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Bout time the Poms were back in this thing. But they won't be good enough to take out AC35.

 

Unlikely the first time, but at least they will be heading in the right direction

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More than a clue pal, and you? Lets face it aside from A2 he has managed all the LOSING teams. Go figure, and yes I do know the guy Bri

 

 

Why is everyone so keen to have Simmer?

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

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If any country and "team" could ever surpass NZ it would be the Brits. Why is everyone so keen to have Simmer?

 

You're dreaming. The Brits are so far down the list they're irrelevant.

What was their last high tech big boat campaign? The Bounty?

 

1. NZL

2. AUS

3= FRA

3= USA

3= SWE

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More than a clue pal, and you? Lets face it aside from A2 he has managed all the LOSING teams. Go figure, and yes I do know the guy Bri

 

 

Why is everyone so keen to have Simmer?

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

 

errrm... have you forgotten that he managed Alinghi to two cup wins?

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Actually, the Poms have the longest losing streak in the history of The Cup, don't they? :)

 

Still, a couple of good challenges (AC35 and AC36) could well see them back in contention.

 

Here's hoping.

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Hey the poms are on a roll:

- Cricket - thumped the Aussies

- Tennis - actually won their own tournament (even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

- Olympics - excellent London event. Good results in sailing for UK

- Rugby - actually won the world cup (back a few years)

- Football - actually won the world cup (back a few years- well actually before I was born) but hey they are still talking about it!

- war - actually won one in the 40's

 

Maybe it is their time for the oldest trophy in sports

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(even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

 

Probably doesn't actually. That's what polls indicate at present. Like many in England, I don't much care which way they eventually vote.

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Money will always be an issue whilst sailing remains an elitist sport in the eyes of the uk population.

 

From a sponsor's point of view, where will they get the most exposure / better return for their money - by throwing a hell of a lot of money at a sport that gets no coverage on mainstream television (satellite & cable do have the odd programme) & extremely limited print media space (outside the yachting press of course) or by spending considerably less & putting their name on 11 football shirts? Sad I know, but pretty accurate I think :(

 

As there is a snowball's chance in hell of getting any government money to back a campaign, what the UK needs is it's own version of LE or EB & the only 2 names that currently spring to mind for me are Bernie Ecclestone (aka The Poison Dwarf) & Richard Branson.

 

Personally I wouldn't want BE anywhere near the sport of sailing, so I guess someone needs to persuade RB to open up his wallet again and we'll have to put up with the 'Virgin' jokes (most transferred from F1) if we want a decent campaign.

 

Of course - as has been alluded to above - the chances of winning first time out are very slim so it's going to take an awful lot of money (unless costs are drastically reduced for AC35+) spent over multiple campaigns to bring 'The Auld Mug' home. I just hope that it's achieved in my lifetime :)

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Personally I wouldn't want BE anywhere near the sport of sailing, so I guess someone needs to persuade RB to open up his wallet again and we'll have to put up with the 'Virgin' jokes (most transferred from F1) if we want a decent campaign.

:)

 

I don't know RB but I know people who know him quite well and from what I've heard, I'd prefer he kept a few 1000 miles away from British sailing. Fortunately, I think there's every probability that's precisely what he's going to do.

 

Btw does anyone think the likes of JP Morgan want to be co-branded with Virgin?

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Hey the poms are on a roll:

- Cricket - thumped the Aussies

- Tennis - actually won their own tournament (even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

- Olympics - excellent London event. Good results in sailing for UK

- Rugby - actually won the world cup (back a few years)

- Football - actually won the world cup (back a few years- well actually before I was born) but hey they are still talking about it!

- war - actually won one in the 40's

 

Maybe it is their time for the oldest trophy in sports

You're forgetting 2 Tour de France's in a row, and, amazingly for a kiwi, a record win over the All Blacks last Autumn and a Lions series victory over the Aussies. We have a new attitude in the UK. If we want it enough, it's ours. Question is, how much do we want it? Ainslie's biggest problem is getting enough people who give a fuck to stump up the dosh, in the absence of a billionaire backer or a government that actually thinks its a good idea to put public money into sport. But he wants it and he wants it bad and he's enough of a proven winner to make it a bit more feasible.

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Personally I wouldn't want BE anywhere near the sport of sailing, so I guess someone needs to persuade RB to open up his wallet again and we'll have to put up with the 'Virgin' jokes (most transferred from F1) if we want a decent campaign.

:)

 

I don't know RB but I know people who know him quite well and from what I've heard, I'd prefer he kept a few 1000 miles away from British sailing. Fortunately, I think there's every probability that's precisely what he's going to do.

 

Btw does anyone think the likes of JP Morgan want to be co-branded with Virgin?

I don't think co-branding would appeal to Branson anymore than it would to JPM (for different reasons of course) !!

 

I was working under the assumption that although JPM are BE's personal sponsors, they wouldn't finance/sponsor an entire campaign - if I'm wrong & they would - YAY !!! :D

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If any country and "team" could ever surpass NZ it would be the Brits. Why is everyone so keen to have Simmer?

You're dreaming. The Brits are so far down the list they're irrelevant.

What was their last high tech big boat campaign? The Bounty?

 

1. NZL

2. AUS

3= FRA

3= USA

3= SWE

I think thats a bit harsh on the brits, there is the money and the facilities for big campaigns here. As for expertise, that can be bought quite easily. Could take a few attempts for them to do it, but if they get their best sailors onboard they could suprise. Not even the kiwis made the AC in their 1st attempt.

 

To me your list should be 1st tier: NZ, USA, 2nd tier: SUI, ITA, FRA, AUS, SWE, 3rd tier: KOR, UK, ESP. Hard to pick between some but NZ and USA clear ahead of the pack.

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who pays BA? sponsor? he will be an mericun next lap

 

 

Hey he already has a nice jacket, 2 RIBS and some accountants, almost there!

 

But the idea that every Pom or Ozzie involved this time will be magically freed to compete elsewhere by the teams that have given them a start seems a bit farcical.

 

One of the best is already under contract to a nominally Swedish team

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Green Marine are building the Volvo OD's
and Vestas Sailrocket know a thing or two about getting a foiling rigide wing to go quickly.

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When you consider that a considerable number of the Artemis, Oracle and ETNZ design teams studies their craft at Southampton and Solent Universities, we have Green marine, Pendennis and various other yacht manufacturers as well as a whole host of smaller carbon specialists, and contrarory to the general economic situation there are still plenty of big corporate backers out there if you look hard enough.

 

The issue will be finding a suitable backer with deep pockets that doesnt mind forking out if the next ac isnt just a development of this one.

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Sir Richard Branson might have a spare $50 million to throw at a challenge, no?

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^

 

Right on cue. The next full moon is only 3 days away.

 

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When you consider that a considerable number of the Artemis, Oracle and ETNZ design teams studies their craft at Southampton and Solent Universities,

 

Really? I can't see anyone obvious on those design teams that went there, but their bios online aren't complete - can you give some examples? NZ and OR design teams seem to be largely products of NZ and USA (mix and matched between them) and Artemis mainland European.

 

I don't doubt the UK could put together a fine design team, but I can't see that the experience is there yet, happy to to be shown to be wrong though.

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BE = Bernie Ecclestone.Not Ben Ainslie. Spot the difference?

 

 

 

Personally I wouldn't want BE anywhere near the sport of sailing, so I guess someone needs to persuade RB to open up his wallet again and we'll have to put up with the 'Virgin' jokes (most transferred from F1) if we want a decent campaign.

:)

 

I don't know RB but I know people who know him quite well and from what I've heard, I'd prefer he kept a few 1000 miles away from British sailing. Fortunately, I think there's every probability that's precisely what he's going to do.

 

Btw does anyone think the likes of JP Morgan want to be co-branded with Virgin?

I don't think co-branding would appeal to Branson anymore than it would to JPM (for different reasons of course) !!

 

I was working under the assumption that although JPM are BE's personal sponsors, they wouldn't finance/sponsor an entire campaign - if I'm wrong & they would - YAY !!! :D

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BE = Bernie Ecclestone.Not Ben Ainslie. Spot the difference?

 

 

 

Personally I wouldn't want BE anywhere near the sport of sailing, so I guess someone needs to persuade RB to open up his wallet again and we'll have to put up with the 'Virgin' jokes (most transferred from F1) if we want a decent campaign.

:)

 

I don't know RB but I know people who know him quite well and from what I've heard, I'd prefer he kept a few 1000 miles away from British sailing. Fortunately, I think there's every probability that's precisely what he's going to do.

 

Btw does anyone think the likes of JP Morgan want to be co-branded with Virgin?

I don't think co-branding would appeal to Branson anymore than it would to JPM (for different reasons of course) !!

 

I was working under the assumption that although JPM are BE's personal sponsors, they wouldn't finance/sponsor an entire campaign - if I'm wrong & they would - YAY !!! :D

BUGGER !!! <_<

 

Yep - you're quite correct it should read "... BA's personal sponsors..."!!

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teams like artemis

 

are signing people like percy and NO

 

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until british and australian teams get major sponsors

 

they are all talk and

 

expressions of interest

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BE = Bernie Ecclestone.Not Ben Ainslie. Spot the difference?

 

 

 

Personally I wouldn't want BE anywhere near the sport of sailing, so I guess someone needs to persuade RB to open up his wallet again and we'll have to put up with the 'Virgin' jokes (most transferred from F1) if we want a decent campaign.

:)

 

I don't know RB but I know people who know him quite well and from what I've heard, I'd prefer he kept a few 1000 miles away from British sailing. Fortunately, I think there's every probability that's precisely what he's going to do.

 

Btw does anyone think the likes of JP Morgan want to be co-branded with Virgin?

I don't think co-branding would appeal to Branson anymore than it would to JPM (for different reasons of course) !!

 

I was working under the assumption that although JPM are BE's personal sponsors, they wouldn't finance/sponsor an entire campaign - if I'm wrong & they would - YAY !!! :D

BUGGER !!! <_<

 

Yep - you're quite correct it should read "... BA's personal sponsors..."!!

 

The UK is 6/7th biggest economy and is having huge success with sailing right now, it would be mad if they can't find funding for a campaign. Just get Ellen MacArthur to be the honorary chairman/president and they'll flood in.

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teams like artemis

 

are signing people like percy and NO

 

with Money-II.jpg

 

until british and australian teams get major sponsors

 

they are all talk and

 

expressions of interest

 

Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

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The more challengers at the start of a long series of interesting sailing the better.

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teams like artemis

 

are signing people like percy and NO

 

with

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until british and australian teams get major sponsors

 

they are all talk and

 

expressions of interest

 

fixed...

 

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Ainslie hopes to one day win America’s Cup for Britain

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/sport/other-sport/ainslie-hopes-to-one-day-win-americas-cup-for-britain#ixzz2fE9iDFsA

 

His ultimate goal was to gain the experience needed to help lead a British campaign for the next America’s Cup, which is looking more and more like it will be held in Auckland


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Please, please, please can we drop the idea of Richard Branson paying for an America's Cup challenge. Yes, he was great at marketing the Sex Pistols, yes he sponsored Speedboat briefly and yes Lawrie Smith nearly talked him into a second challenge in Fremantle. End of.

 

Clearly, if money was no object, NZ, Australia and the UK would be well placed to keep other people's hands off the Cup but only NZ is making a return on their talent. I hope, as a patriotic Pom, that Ben manages to climb the mountain. A mountain, though, it remains.

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Ps: clearly Simmer and Ainslie have a link. Both the TO job and the OR job were at Ainslie's request. Prada didn't hire Ainslie as he insisted on working with Simmer. Their relationship is a good call, if you ask me. There are few more successful pairings.

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

 

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

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As others have mentioned, the critical factor is funding. Tech and talent are either there or can be obtained / converted IMO.

 

BA is a single handed sailor who's primary success comes in an obsolete class of boats, in which he is the only pro sailor of note who competes. Unfortunately, this makes him a spectacular British media superman. It was painful how much the UK press slobbered all over him last year, and how the first mention of the AC in the mainstream press this year came when he replaced Kostecki.

 

BA's media status could translate into funding. It won't come from "British" sources, but from whichever wannabe British Arab (or other foreigner) decides it's a good thing. Just like Man City, Chelski, the Shard or any of the multitude of other vehicles these investors are using to "British" themselves in the media

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

 

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

 

My friend, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong about Italians. Never heard such a biased opinion! (EDIT: Il simpatico Whethog is out of competition of course:-) )

Azzurra, Il moro di Venezia, Luna Rossa, are all clear examples of a very good management, strong national pride and sportmanship. BTW, they have been quite successful too, I dare say...

If you don't consider the pure battle of dollars and lawyers that has been the last Deed of Gift Cup, far more successfull than Oracle Team, for instance...

 

You will see what PB will do for the next Cup.

You all will be very welcome to Sicily :-)

Ciao

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word is he has done a lot for OTUSA, he brings focus and calm

 

 

More than a clue pal, and you? Lets face it aside from A2 he has managed all the LOSING teams. Go figure, and yes I do know the guy Bri

 

 

Why is everyone so keen to have Simmer?

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

 

errrm... have you forgotten that he managed Alinghi to two cup wins?

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(even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

Probably doesn't actually. That's what polls indicate at present. Like many in England, I don't much care which way they eventually vote.

probably why they want out

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As others have mentioned, the critical factor is funding. Tech and talent are either there or can be obtained / converted IMO.

 

BA is a single handed sailor who's primary success comes in an obsolete class of boats, in which he is the only pro sailor of note who competes. Unfortunately, this makes him a spectacular British media superman. It was painful how much the UK press slobbered all over him last year, and how the first mention of the AC in the mainstream press this year came when he replaced Kostecki.

 

BA's media status could translate into funding. It won't come from "British" sources, but from whichever wannabe British Arab (or other foreigner) decides it's a good thing. Just like Man City, Chelski, the Shard or any of the multitude of other vehicles these investors are using to "British" themselves in the media

team Virgin Ainslie?

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

and the French?

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, and how the first mention of the AC in the mainstream press this year came when (BA) replaced Kostecki.

 

Wrong. Andrew Simpson's death was widely covered in the mainstream British media.

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Please, please, please can we drop the idea of Richard Branson paying for an America's Cup challenge. Yes, he was great at marketing the Sex Pistols....

 

Malcolm McClaren had a little bit more to do with marketing the Sex Pistols than Branson. Forming them, naming them, dressing them, getting them signed (three times), managing all their publicity stunts. That sort of thing. Other than that, you are entirely right.

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Hey the poms are on a roll:

- Cricket - thumped the Aussies

- Tennis - actually won their own tournament (even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

- Olympics - excellent London event. Good results in sailing for UK

- Rugby - actually won the world cup (back a few years)

- Football - actually won the world cup (back a few years- well actually before I was born) but hey they are still talking about it!

- war - actually won one in the 40's

 

Maybe it is their time for the oldest trophy in sports

For gods sake don't mention the 2 World Wars as well........

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

and the French?

 

They co-operate so badly that they will start 4 or 5 teams which will all die from lack of funding, just like last time.

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, and how the first mention of the AC in the mainstream press this year came when (BA) replaced Kostecki.

Wrong. Andrew Simpson's death was widely covered in the mainstream British media.

Sorry, you're right, I should have said first mention since the "racing" started

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

and the French?

They co-operate so badly that they will start 4 or 5 teams which will all die from lack of funding, just like last time.

I suppose that the only country that could have a possibility of success is UK, isn't it?

Is this opinion based on past Cups results? ;-)

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

 

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

BS !!

 

Name one Italian syndicate that has suffered the issues you highlight above ?

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I suppose that the only country that could have a possibility of success is UK, isn't it?

Is this opinion based on past Cups results? ;-)

 

As opposed to Italy's results? Two bald men fighting over a comb here. Weslake's comments were ungracious. Let's move on.

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Zennstrom. Cash rich. Loves sailing. Tested water in TP52s and Ran away with Fastnets etc. Needs a new sailing challenge. UK based (sometimes).

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Hey the poms are on a roll:

- Cricket - thumped the Aussies

- Tennis - actually won their own tournament (even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

- Olympics - excellent London event. Good results in sailing for UK

- Rugby - actually won the world cup (back a few years)

- Football - actually won the world cup (back a few years- well actually before I was born) but hey they are still talking about it!

- war - actually won one in the 40's

 

Maybe it is their time for the oldest trophy in sports

 

Don't forget cycling. Two TdF wins in a row.

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Good point, for some reason Luna Rossa gets massively underestimated as well. They've been up there for a long time with solid $s and are well set to make a challenge in either US or NZ. If they get some design talent signed they could win it next time in either monos or multis.

 

The Italians will never put together a team that isn't full of egos, infighting, bickering, dummy spits and firings.

 

The AC is a first of all a management race, and as such the Italians have lost before they start.

and the French?

They co-operate so badly that they will start 4 or 5 teams which will all die from lack of funding, just like last time.

I'd be nervous of frog multihull teams. They kind of know their stuff. Just been playing by themselves for a while.

 

Prada brought style to a tractor race.

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I suppose that the only country that could have a possibility of success is UK, isn't it?

Is this opinion based on past Cups results? ;-)

As opposed to Italy's results? Two bald men fighting over a comb here. Weslake's comments were ungracious. Let's move on.

Sorry for my harsh answer. But I don't like superficial and stereotypical judgements.

BTW Italy, a country with no previous great tradition in modern sailing, in the last 25 years competed two times for the America's Cup, won two and lost two very competitive LVC finals, all this with almost completely Italian crews... Quite a result I dare say.

Edit: the last LVC final wasn't very competitive, I must admit. But this edition was clearly a transition cup for the freshly rebuild Prada team.

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Zennstrom. Cash rich. Loves sailing. Tested water in TP52s and Ran away with Fastnets etc. Needs a new sailing challenge. UK based (sometimes).

 

I saw what you did there

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I'm going to be the first to say this...

 

If there is a UK boat in the next cup BA shouldn't drive. Its like having Ashby on the boat, he is possibly the best helms man available but he his definetly the best trimmer. In his previous campaigns BA has had to do it all but where he can't he needs to identify what role he is superior at and it is almost certainly not steering a high performance boat.

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Ref Niklas Zenström:

 

Niklas Zennström: I think that from a technology point of view it’s [the AC] very amazing to see these boats race with their wing sails and foiling. Again, that’s certainly amazing from a technology point of view but kitesurfing is exciting to watch as well. However, it becomes a different kind of sport and for myself I’m not just interested. I love to go out sailing and these boats are just too powerful and too athletic for someone like myself, even to try it. But you know what? If you sail alone by yourself, even if you sail very fast, that’s great but then why don’t you just go kitesurfing? It’s a lot cheaper.

 

Form here: http://www.vsail.info/2013/09/01/niklas-zennstrom-talks-about-the-mini-maxi-rolex-worlds-the-52-super-series-and-the-americas-cup/

 

 

So I guess it all depends on what the winners decide.

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Hey the poms are on a roll:

- Cricket - thumped the Aussies

- Tennis - actually won their own tournament (even tho it was a guy from Scotland which wants independence)

- Olympics - excellent London event. Good results in sailing for UK

- Rugby - actually won the world cup (back a few years)

- Football - actually won the world cup (back a few years- well actually before I was born) but hey they are still talking about it!

- war - actually won one in the 40's

 

Maybe it is their time for the oldest trophy in sports

 

Based on the fact that they have a sailor presence in the AC? Australia has them beat if this is the case. Remember, this is a design contest first, match racing second. You need the full package.

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The BA proporganda machine is at work, big coverage on the BBC News this morning.

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can't see why the brits cant get a team together, they have enough sailors to choose from/train.

they have enough companies with the abilty and know how, eg aerospace, racing car industries, aircraft industries, to name a few. I can't see why whatever type of boat is decided on they couldn't come up with a boat that would have a chance.

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can't see why the brits cant get a team together, they have enough sailors to choose from/train.

they have enough companies with the abilty and know how, eg aerospace, racing car industries, aircraft industries, to name a few. I can't see why whatever type of boat is decided on they couldn't come up with a boat that would have a chance.

 

It's totally down to sponsors, not talent. Britain has the finest brains in almost every area, but they are all working for foregin companies. There are 8 F1 teams based in UK, but only McLaren and Williams are British owned. The same goes for most of the big companies in the UK. Remember Team Origin were briefly sponsored by Jaguar, but it didn't last as Jaguar are now owned by Tata. BA has sailed with Richard Branson and it came to nothing so I guess he's no longer interested

 

I can only think of 5 companies who might be interested, none I think would go it alone and 2 clash.

 

Sainsbury's

Tesco

Aston Martin

Sunseeker

Murdoch group

 

If anyone can think of some others, post them up, you never know BA might not of thought of them.

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The best chance for a UK challenge might be that very strict nationality rules are set in place, as that will give TT the hard choice of trying to find enough Swedes to fill the boat or let Ian Percy pick his best UK mates to sail with him.

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The nationality comments are interesting....check out the design teams as there are quite a few prominent foreign designers working for TNZ. Personally I think that's great.....as a nation to welcome such expertise. But I guess it could be a bit of a conflict for the loyalists?

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You're dreaming. The Brits are so far down the list they're irrelevant.

What was their last high tech big boat campaign? The Bounty?

 

Nah... The Falklands.... ;)

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BA is already ramping up his push for sponsership, with a big interview on breakfast news this morning.

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It would be great to see him get UK backing for an AC35 challenge.

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Ben Ainslie is pretty much OUT of Oracle Team USA

 

http://eurosport.du.ae/sailing/hero-ainslie-gets-set-for-sailings-transfer-window_sto3939527/story.shtml

 

http://eurosport.du.ae/sailing/ainslie-wants-british-america-s-cup-campaign_sto3939103/story.shtml

 

Reading between the lines Ben will pretty much do everything in his Power to set up a British Challenger for AC 35.

 

Give up Larry...you best Sailor is GONE.

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UK has suddenly (probably briefly) gone AC crazy. After virtually no press coverage, except for reporting of Andrew Simpson's death, things picked up when Sir Ben got on the boat. Now we have sports headlines like:

 

"Sir Ben Ainslie's Oracle Team USA Clinches Stunning Comeback"

"Sir Ben Ainslie Guides Oracle Team USA To Victory"

"Sir Ben Ainslie Leads Britain To Rule The Waves Once More"

 

BBC 5Live, the main radio sports station, has been going on about it all day and the chances of a future Brit challenge lead by Sir Ben. They even dragged out Sir Robin Knox-Johnston for an interview. Yes, another sailing knight, famous for being the first to sail around the world single handed in 1969 (in something akin to a tugboat).

 

Soon the Cutty Sark will be re-floated and have foils attached! :)

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Honestly Sir Ben was the most classy Person for Team Oracle in these Press Conferences just like Kiwis Barker & Davies for ETNZ :)

 

I sincerely hope Ben gets rewarded with a UK Challenge for AC 35.

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Honestly Sir Ben was the most classy Person for Team Oracle in these Press Conferences just like Kiwis Barker & Davies for ETNZ :)

 

I sincerely hope Ben gets rewarded with a UK Challenge for AC 35.

 

I agree, and he's done well for himself and for future opportunities with his appearance in this AC.

 

Money is the problem and it depends on how AC35 shapes up. Also it's a shame Iain Percy is tied up with Artemis.

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Ben Ainslie is pretty much OUT of Oracle Team USA

 

http://eurosport.du.ae/sailing/hero-ainslie-gets-set-for-sailings-transfer-window_sto3939527/story.shtml

 

http://eurosport.du.ae/sailing/ainslie-wants-british-america-s-cup-campaign_sto3939103/story.shtml

 

Reading between the lines Ben will pretty much do everything in his Power to set up a British Challenger for AC 35.

 

Give up Larry...you best Sailor is GONE.

If you watch the post race interview. It seems the consesus from TOUSA was that RC off the water and making reccomendations was the key. No Doubt that the combo of Ainslie/Slingsby giving input to JS was huge, I wish him well in putting together a campaign. If he indeed chooses to do so.

 

WL

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UK has suddenly (probably briefly) gone AC crazy.

With a full-page piece in the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/25/americas-cup-victory-team-usa-comeback including this classic.

 

The twin-hulled 72ft vessels, replacing the single-hulled catamarans that previously featured in the race, whip along at high speeds, delivering a thrilling spectacle to fans.

 

The genius who wrote this is Rory Carroll, Irish-born West Coast correspondent to the Guardian.

 

So, we all now expect catamarans in AC35 but the burning question is how many hulls will they have?

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UK has suddenly (probably briefly) gone AC crazy.

With a full-page piece in the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/25/americas-cup-victory-team-usa-comeback including this classic.

 

The twin-hulled 72ft vessels, replacing the single-hulled catamarans that previously featured in the race, whip along at high speeds, delivering a thrilling spectacle to fans.

 

The genius who wrote this is Rory Carroll, Irish-born West Coast correspondent to the Guardian.

 

So, we all now expect catamarans in AC35 but the burning question is how many hulls will they have?

 

 

Well this is the Grauniad, what else to expect?

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That a piece in the Guardian on the AC might be written by their very capable yachting correspondent?

 

P.S. My excuse for reading the Guardian is that it is now given away free in my wife's favourite supermarket

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The brits will love "San Fran*". Cold water. cold weather gear racing, wind And fog.


Could be to much sun for their pale skin tones; they may miss the clouds and rain. B)




​* If chosen the AC 35 defense site.


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brilliant!

 

 

team Virgin Ainslie?

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The brits will love "San Fran*". Cold water. cold weather gear racing, wind And fog.

Could be to much sun for their pale skin tones; they may miss the clouds and rain. B)

​* If chosen the AC 35 defense site.

 

 

Very true. Don't worry about pale skins. Suntan from skiing in Val d'Isere for the toffs, holiday in Majorca for the plebs.

 

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A very telling and very funny and very innaccurate UK tabloid article about Binny.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/432504/Sailor-Sir-Ben-Ainslie-rules-Britannia-s-waves

 

It's not too accurate about the sailing, but it's a British tabloid so they never see any need to let the truth get in the way of a good story. It's mainly about his love life and what car he drives and essentially seems to make out he's James Bond.

 

Proof, though, of the level of interest in the UK right now. This and the article below came out today so they're not just news articles about the win like yesterday's.

 

And an equally hysterical article from the Telegraph (a broadsheet but fairly right-wing and patriotic) comparing Ben to Lord Nelson:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/sailing/10336937/Americas-Cup-2013-Sir-Ben-Ainslie-the-new-Nelson-is-the-modern-sea-dog-of-war.html

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Very true. Don't worry about pale skins. Suntan from skiing in Val d'Isere for the toffs, holiday in Majorca for the plebs.

 

 

Classic, of the same era as this more or less:

 

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If BA wants it bad enough, he'll be sailing less.

 

That's how it worked with Dennis Connor for so many years, I believe. He ran a syndicate which, in order: 1) raised money 2) raced sailboats 3) managed campaigns.

 

On further thought, I think I have 2 and 3 mixed up.

 

Ben Ainslie certainly has the star appeal and the habit of winning. However, if no one is paying to play, will Ben have the skills and the drive to become the boss? My guess is yes, but if he goes into management, he might look back at this campaign and think of all the great sailing he used to do back in '13.

 

Koukel

 

 

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If BA wants it bad enough, he'll be sailing less.

 

That's how it worked with Dennis Connor for so many years, I believe. He ran a syndicate which, in order: 1) raised money 2) raced sailboats 3) managed campaigns.

 

On further thought, I think I have 2 and 3 mixed up.

 

Ben Ainslie certainly has the star appeal and the habit of winning. However, if no one is paying to play, will Ben have the skills and the drive to become the boss? My guess is yes, but if he goes into management, he might look back at this campaign and think of all the great sailing he used to do back in '13.

 

Koukel

A bit of a dilemma for him, that one.

 

He won't want to play second fiddle to JS at OTUSA again. But if there's no GBR backer...

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Sir Keith Mills, founder & former Syndicate Head of British Team Origin who challenged for AC 33 which ultimativly came never to pass is set to get behind Sir Ben Ainslie should the costs for AC 35 come down....

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/sailing/10337977/Americas-Cup-2013-Sir-Keith-Mills-ready-to-back-Sir-Ben-Ainslie-in-British-team-if-costs-come-down.html

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Sir Keith Mills, founder & former Syndicate Head of British Team Origin who challenged for AC 33 which ultimativly came never to pass is set to get behind Sir Ben Ainslie should the costs for AC 35 come down....

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/sailing/10337977/Americas-Cup-2013-Sir-Keith-Mills-ready-to-back-Sir-Ben-Ainslie-in-British-team-if-costs-come-down.html

 

Interesting. Nice to see he is readily admits that it will be in multis, and that he will participate if costs can be controlled. Also nice that he did not mention anything specific about what the boats should be.

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brilliant!

 

 

team Virgin Ainslie?

VAT?

Que?

Virgin Ainslie Team?

 

Where's my hat and coat - I'm outta here

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That a piece in the Guardian on the AC might be written by their very capable yachting correspondent?

 

P.S. My excuse for reading the Guardian is that it is now given away free in my wife's favourite supermarket

:-)

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Exclusive Sir Ben Ainslie interview: What next for the America's Cup hero?







Olympic legend tells Stuart Alexander in Bermuda about creating The Simpson Foundation and how time is against him to create a British America's Cup tea



http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/sailing/exclusive-sir-ben-ainslie-interview-what-next-for-the-americas-cup-hero-8867468.html



And what is his timeframe for announcing the outline of a firm British challenge? "Definitely by the end of this month, realistically," he says, "because if you leave it much longer than that you definitely won't get there. You can never guarantee to win anything, but it's got to be a team which is strong enough.


"Otherwise you are just wasting everybody's time and that would be negative for British sailing. There's a lot of people that want to help and that is fantastic but you can't rely on people just wanting to help. It's too complex a project for that. We had a few nice messages from No 10 [Downing Street] but I don't think we would turn to the Lottery to try and find money." As for backing a strict nationality rule – you have to be British to race for a British team – which has been mooted in America's Cup circles, Ainslie keeps his powder dry. "We just want to find the best team to represent Britain," he says.


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You're forgetting 2 Tour de France's in a row,

Chris Froome is to British cycling what Jimmy Spithill is to US sailing.

If Froome is a pom then so is Rolf Harris. He is a Farking Kenyan you idiot.

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Please, please, please can we drop the idea of Richard Branson paying for an America's Cup challenge. Yes, he was great at marketing the Sex Pistols....

 

Malcolm McClaren had a little bit more to do with marketing the Sex Pistols than Branson. Forming them, naming them, dressing them, getting them signed (three times), managing all their publicity stunts. That sort of thing. Other than that, you are entirely right.

And don't forget 3 Buffalo girls go 'round the outside, 'round the outside. ' round the outside............

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BA should go and chase sponsorship from Argyll. Sadly the successor to TOM Sopwith's legacy is now US owned, and probably not interested. Woolworth of course even less so.

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You're forgetting 2 Tour de France's in a row,

Chris Froome is to British cycling what Jimmy Spithill is to US sailing.

If Froome is a pom then so is Rolf Harris. He is a Farking Kenyan you idiot.

“Although I was riding under the Kenyan flag I made it clear that I had always carried a British passport and felt British,” said Froome. “It was then that we started talking about racing under the Union Jack, and we stayed in touch.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/11/news/underdog-no-more-chris-froome-hopes-for-a-bit-more-liberty-in-2012_198493

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You're forgetting 2 Tour de France's in a row,

Chris Froome is to British cycling what Jimmy Spithill is to US sailing.

If Froome is a pom then so is Rolf Harris. He is a Farking Kenyan you idiot.

 

Wrong. British passport holder, from landed British stock, large numbers of whom sent younger sons to farm in Kenya (pronounced Keen-yah). All self-respecting European nations needed at least one African colony to misrule and Kenya was Britain's favourite. Pretty place, healthy climate, lots of things to shoot.

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You're forgetting 2 Tour de France's in a row,

 

Chris Froome is to British cycling what Jimmy Spithill is to US sailing.

If Froome is a pom then so is Rolf Harris. He is a Farking Kenyan you idiot.

Wrong. British passport holder, from landed British stock, large numbers of whom sent younger sons to farm in Kenya (pronounced Keen-yah). All self-respecting European nations needed at least one African colony to misrule and Kenya was Britain's favourite. Pretty place, healthy climate, lots of things to shoot.

Indeed it is a wonderful place. My 16 year old son has recently returned from a athletics training camp there. Where he told me the locals could talk of nothing else except their local boy Froome winning the tour. Born , raised and learned to ride there. He then went on to win the tour mainly due to his Aussie super-domestic on a team sponsor by a company owned largely by another Aussie - with a US passport. If being from 'British stock' makes one a pom them myself and millions of other Australians are in fact Poms then. Is this some way of claiming that England will have won the Ashes regardless of which team wins?

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Are most Aussies not Poms?

Fuck that! I would rather be a Kiwi.

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Are most Aussies not Poms?

 

If you were to define a Pom as someone eligible for a UK passport the answer would be no. In terms of genetic heritage, possibly. Then again the UK has been invaded enough times that the idea of a consistent genetic heritage is not exactly clear. The relationship between the UK and Oz changed about 50 years ago, and kept changing. A UK passport is not a residency permit, as it once was. Australians don't assume that going overseas means going to London. Worryingly, young kids start to pronounce "Z" "zee".

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Ben Ainslie, the British Olympic hero who came on board ORACLE TEAM USA as tactician and helped guide the American defender to victory in the America’s Cup last month is on the stump trying to raise money for a British challenge.


He told the BBC’s Radio 5 that the ORACLE TEAM USA comeback story had generated massive interest in the Cup both in Britain and around the world. Since stepping off the boat, victorious, on September 25, he has been working to convert that interest into money for a British challenge.


“There’s a lot of support for sailing in this country. The excitement from this last event, the people who would be interested in backing a team like this, if there was ever a time to do it, it’s now,” he said. “There’s been a huge response and I’ve been really excited by non-sailors in the UK who have really taken to the sport.


“In terms of raising the funds for a team, that’s a big ask,” he acknowledged.


“I’ve been working very hard on raising money. There’s a commercial side to it, but you can’t build that up right away. That will take more time, and knowledge on where the next event will be and when.


“So in the meantime, we need some private investors to come in and underwrite the campaign so that we know we can get to the end and we can sign the designers and sailors. If we can’t do that, we won’t do it (launch the challenge). There’s no point going into an event like this without the talent because your chances of winning are then very slim.”




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