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Its amazing that so many countries still keep getting it wrong, bring back hanging, deportations and compulsory sterilization for minor offences. Hell if a countries over populated why not bring back the old Indian policy of getting a free radio with a vasectomy. I suppose this sort of approach would upset the PC brigade

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The took my advice - they brought it back

National costume was all-over-black

There were corpses in the avenues and cul-de-sacs

Piled up neatly in six-man stacks

Hanging from the traffic lights and specially made racks

They'd hang you for incontinence and fiddling your tax

Failure to hang yourself justified the axe

A deedely dee, a deedely dum

Looks like they brought back hangin' for everyone

 

 

John Cooper Clarke - "Suspended Sentence"

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Peter de Savary

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As I put pen to paper, here at my house in Newport, Rhode Island on 3rd February 2014, I am watching the snow falling and I think back to those Americas Cup days of 1983. It is all fresh in my mind as I have just listened to Sir Ben Ainslie on Desert Island Discs pay the most generous comments in respect of our Victory Challenge for the ever controversial but legendary Americas Cup.

cont: http://desavary.com/americas-cup/all/1

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Peter de Savary

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As I put pen to paper, here at my house in Newport, Rhode Island on 3rd February 2014, I am watching the snow falling and I think back to those Americas Cup days of 1983. It is all fresh in my mind as I have just listened to Sir Ben Ainslie on Desert Island Discs pay the most generous comments in respect of our Victory Challenge for the ever controversial but legendary Americas Cup.

cont: http://desavary.com/americas-cup/all/1

Another thing this Peter de Savary says is:

" I used to sail a 12 metre; I was an Americas Cup challenger for Great Britain: but here I am in 2013 having just as much fun and it’s certainly much cheaper!!”

 

Much Cheaper? 12 meters were expensive, I know, but compared with the winged AC 72's?? Anyone wants to bet?

I think he means that 12 meter class is not as expensive as it was in the old days but I am not sure.

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ITHM that the sailing he's doing now is just as much fun as he was having with his AC challenge, and associated boats (Victory of Burnham), but he's spending much less money now than he was on the 12s.

 

AIUI, with a 12, for the owner you rip up a big stack of £50s every time you tack, and flog that big genoa around the shrouds.

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I think he means that 12 meter class is not as expensive as it was in the old days but I am not sure.

 

No, he means it is as much fund and much cheaper being out of the AC game.

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I think he means that 12 meter class is not as expensive as it was in the old days but I am not sure.

 

No, he means it is as much fund and much cheaper being out of the AC game.

Well if he means this boat he is right: :lol:

http://desavary.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/PdeS-little-sail-boat-168x300.jpg

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"Ben Ainslie is making good progress on putting together an 80 million pounds ($130 million) British challenge for the next America's Cup, the four-times Olympic champion said on Thursday."

"Bank JP Morgan is a long-term sponsor of Ainslie's sailing career and his high public profile after winning gold at the 2012 London Olympics and in the America's Cup should help unlock funding.

"For the first time, coming back to the UK, non-sailors said I really enjoyed watching that," he said, recalling the reaction when he returned from the America's Cup last year."

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/13/sailing-americas-ainslie-idUSL6N0MA44120140313

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Good effort to get himself in the news again but NOTHING new on getting anything specific together - doesn't look good...

 

Only news is the expectation that the new protocol might be released 'in the next couple of days' ?

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Vsail said Ben would announce a full project in the last week of April, not sure where the details came from.

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Vsail said Ben would announce a full project in the last week of April, not sure where the details came from.

I hope he does.

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Vsail said Ben would announce a full project in the last week of April, not sure where the details came from.

Vsail says many things. I've stopped paying attention to it.

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Vsail said Ben would announce a full project in the last week of April, not sure where the details came from.

Vsail says many things. I've stopped paying attention to it.

In a lot of things they're right. I wouldn't dismiss Vsail completely.

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TDS, the Telegraph and the Independent - all of which have great yachting journos - have all said the same thing. The latest TDS article quotes him directly. The Financial Times also ran a piece saying he has £30m in private money and needs to find that much again commercially.

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In case anyone is still blind to the blindingly obvious: From an article tweet-linked by JPMorganBAR:

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Bank JP Morgan is a long-term sponsor of Ainslie's sailing career and his high public profile after winning gold at the 2012 London Olympics and in the America's Cup should help unlock funding.

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@JPMorganBAR: @AinslieBen on BAR progress for #AC35 at yesterday's @SportsPro @SportsProLive http://yhoo.it/1dZc2l6

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Vsail said Ben would announce a full project in the last week of April, not sure where the details came from.

Vsail says many things. I've stopped paying attention to it.

In a lot of things they're right. I wouldn't dismiss Vsail completely.

 

And a lot is utter bollocks. Therefore as a news source, it has let itself become worthless.

 

In case anyone is still blind to the blindingly obvious: From an article tweet-linked by JPMorganBAR:

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Bank JP Morgan is a long-term sponsor of Ainslie's sailing career and his high public profile after winning gold at the 2012 London Olympics and in the America's Cup should help unlock funding.

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@JPMorganBAR: @AinslieBen on BAR progress for #AC35 at yesterday's @SportsPro @SportsProLive http://yhoo.it/1dZc2l6

 

Fair enough, that's a credible source.

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CNN Mainsail Part 1

Historic sailor shapes the future


MainSail|Added on March 15, 2014Russell Coutts has been tasked with shaping and securing the future of the oldest trophy in world sport.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/sports/2014/03/15/spc-mainsail-russell-coutts-a.cnn.html

 

 

 

 

Part 2

Russell Coutts' big challenge

MainSail|Added on March 15, 2014The most decorated sailor in the history of the America's Cup talks about leading Oracle Team as CEO in its next installm

 

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/sports/2014/03/15/spc-mainsail-russell-coutts-b.cnn.html

 

 

 

Part 3

 

The changing face of America's Cup


MainSail|Added on March 15, 2014Team Aqua owner Chris Bake talks about the RC44 class which is populated with big-hitting businessmen.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/sports/2014/03/15/spc-mainsail-russell-coutts-c.cnn.html

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In case anyone is confused why I posted those here, in Part 3 Chris Bake says he is supporting BAR. That was the first segment I saw.

 

Not a lot of news but it's a nice enough Mainsail edition that also includes Baird, TT and a few others.

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In case anyone is confused why I posted those here, in Part 3 Chris Bake says he is supporting BAR. That was the first segment I saw.

 

Not a lot of news but it's a nice enough Mainsail edition that also includes Baird, TT and a few others.

Nicely spotted, Stinger. Thanks.

 

BTW. Interesting to see Appleton is now 'relegated' to tactician. Bake must have learnt a thing or two about driving.

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^ Appleton may helm some of those races, it used to be and may still be a format where owners helm only some of them.

 

That Vladimir (someone) with the big beard who is Comm of the St Petersburg YC was interesting when he commented that money is no problem but having talented Russian sailors might be. Almost the reverse of normal prospective AC campaigns.

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I heard that Sir Ben will make the official presentation of the team during the last week of April

 

Anyone can concur?

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Vsail said Ben would announce a full project in the last week of April, not sure where the details came from.

Vsail says many things. I've stopped paying attention to it.

In a lot of things they're right. I wouldn't dismiss Vsail completely.

 

And a lot is utter bollocks. Therefore as a news source, it has let itself become worthless.

 

>>>In case anyone is still blind to the blindingly obvious: From an article tweet-linked by JPMorganBAR:

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Bank JP Morgan is a long-term sponsor of Ainslie's sailing career and his high public profile after winning gold at the 2012 London Olympics and in the America's Cup should help unlock funding.

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@JPMorganBAR: @AinslieBen on BAR progress for #AC35 at yesterday's @SportsPro @SportsProLive http://yhoo.it/1dZc2l6

 

Fair enough, that's a credible source.

 

Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

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Lately he has been wrong more often than right. You only get a pass to be wrong every so often. As far as our jobs go, most of us barely get a pass to be wrong at all.

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In case anyone is confused why I posted those here, in Part 3 Chris Bake says he is supporting BAR. That was the first segment I saw.

 

Not a lot of news but it's a nice enough Mainsail edition that also includes Baird, TT and a few others.

Nicely spotted, Stinger. Thanks.

 

BTW. Interesting to see Appleton is now 'relegated' to tactician. Bake must have learnt a thing or two about driving.

Appleton was always the tactician. He drives the match racing when Bake is not there but that is generally now regarded as "a good warm up for the crew". Appleton has never driven in the fleet racing as he is a Cat 3.

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Lately he has been wrong more often than right. You only get a pass to be wrong every so often. As far as our jobs go, most of us barely get a pass to be wrong at all.

 

fair enough, though guys whose jobs include digging up and exposing confidential information to the light while working against the clock typically aren't going to be right all of the time. If you're not OCS every now and again, you're never going to win anything.

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In case anyone is confused why I posted those here, in Part 3 Chris Bake says he is supporting BAR. That was the first segment I saw.

 

Not a lot of news but it's a nice enough Mainsail edition that also includes Baird, TT and a few others.

Nicely spotted, Stinger. Thanks.

 

BTW. Interesting to see Appleton is now 'relegated' to tactician. Bake must have learnt a thing or two about driving.

Appleton was always the tactician. He drives the match racing when Bake is not there but that is generally now regarded as "a good warm up for the crew". Appleton has never driven in the fleet racing as he is a Cat 3.

Shock how many seasons has Acqua won and how many have their been?

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In case anyone is confused why I posted those here, in Part 3 Chris Bake says he is supporting BAR. That was the first segment I saw.

Not a lot of news but it's a nice enough Mainsail edition that also includes Baird, TT and a few others.

 

Nicely spotted, Stinger. Thanks.

 

BTW. Interesting to see Appleton is now 'relegated' to tactician. Bake must have learnt a thing or two about driving.

Appleton was always the tactician. He drives the match racing when Bake is not there but that is generally now regarded as "a good warm up for the crew". Appleton has never driven in the fleet racing as he is a Cat 3.
Shock how many seasons has Acqua won and how many have their been?

its all in the video, which by the way is worth watching. From memory I seem to remember that they are into their 8 or 9 season and aqua has won 4 or 5 of them.

 

I was really surprised by how many Russian boats there were.

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Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

The way I look at many 'rumor' reports is to judge that they didn't just make the stuff up; but that their sources may be misinformed.

 

Similar subject, an excerpt from http://www.sail-world.com/USA/Sail-World-New-Zealand:-Website-format-changes---end-of-an-era-in-NZ/120168

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Sail-World is growing at a rate of about 30% per year, and currently over 300,000 unique visitors come to the network each month (increasing to over 600,000 during the America's Cup and Olympics). Total visits during these events total over one million sailing fans. Since February 2012, Alexa, the independent international rating agency has rated Sail-World as the most popular sailing news website in the world. In New Zealand, Alexa ranks Sail-World is the highest ranking single sports website, and has held that position for a number of years.

 

me: those numbers are so big that it may explain why SW doesn't even focus on worrying about running a forums board.

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Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

The way I look at many 'rumor' reports is to judge that they didn't just make the stuff up; but that their sources may be misinformed.

 

I'm sure that's correct but I'm not interested in reading random rumours.

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In case anyone is confused why I posted those here, in Part 3 Chris Bake says he is supporting BAR. That was the first segment I saw.

 

Not a lot of news but it's a nice enough Mainsail edition that also includes Baird, TT and a few others.

Nicely spotted, Stinger. Thanks.

 

BTW. Interesting to see Appleton is now 'relegated' to tactician. Bake must have learnt a thing or two about driving.

Appleton was always the tactician. He drives the match racing when Bake is not there but that is generally now regarded as "a good warm up for the crew". Appleton has never driven in the fleet racing as he is a Cat 3.

Shock how many seasons has Acqua won and how many have their been?

Won 4. First in 2007 and the then the last 3 years.

 

IIRC Aqua's first season was 2007.

 

Arguably the first season was 2006 for the class.

 

So that is won 4 out of 7/8 seasons.

 

Aqua's alumni consider Bake one of the best/nicest owners they have ever worked for.

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Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

The way I look at many 'rumor' reports is to judge that they didn't just make the stuff up; but that their sources may be misinformed.

 

I'm sure that's correct but I'm not interested in reading random rumours.

Then you have to go and find the New York Times for sailing. unfortunately, it don't exist.

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Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

The way I look at many 'rumor' reports is to judge that they didn't just make the stuff up; but that their sources may be misinformed.

 

Similar subject, an excerpt from http://www.sail-world.com/USA/Sail-World-New-Zealand:-Website-format-changes---end-of-an-era-in-NZ/120168

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Sail-World is growing at a rate of about 30% per year, and currently over 300,000 unique visitors come to the network each month (increasing to over 600,000 during the America's Cup and Olympics). Total visits during these events total over one million sailing fans. Since February 2012, Alexa, the independent international rating agency has rated Sail-World as the most popular sailing news website in the world. In New Zealand, Alexa ranks Sail-World is the highest ranking single sports website, and has held that position for a number of years.

 

me: those numbers are so big that it may explain why SW doesn't even focus on worrying about running a forums board.

Sail and Powerboat World isn't a 'sailing news website'. It's not even "Sail World." It's "Sail and Powerboat World"

 

And even their own advertising kit shows (unsourced) numbers lower than ours - 3M unique viewers for all of 2013, and not even from Google Analytics but likely from some server count kit. Those numbers show 9M uniques for us, by comparison. We don't even use those anymore - just GA for the advertisers because the other stuff is useless and inconsistent. Sail-World has always had small dick syndrome when it comes to SA, since their editor first got busted by Scot for using SA exclusives on his front page in the early days. Of course they grew "30%" last year. It was a cup year and they are a NZ site. It would be shameful if they didn't grow 30%.

 

And the reason SW doesn't have forums is because Rob Kothe is a big vagina and is afraid of liability for owning a forum in NZ. Then again maybe he's the smart one, but even without having to spend hundreds of thousands on legal defense like we have, he's still smaller than us.

 

Email him and ask for his Analytics for 2013 if you want and I'll happily compare them with you after you sign a NDA if you really want to pursue this line. Don't really have to though, because all the advertisers know that we produce the numbers and the original stories, and SW produces the press releases like everyone else.

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I'm sure that's correct but I'm not interested in reading random rumours.

Well, now I understand why you read SA everyday :)

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Lately he has been wrong more often than right. You only get a pass to be wrong every so often. As far as our jobs go, most of us barely get a pass to be wrong at all.

 

fair enough, though guys whose jobs include digging up and exposing confidential information to the light while working against the clock typically aren't going to be right all of the time. If you're not OCS every now and again, you're never going to win anything.

 

Except the pickle dish.... I mean come on, that's what really matters, right?

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Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

The way I look at many 'rumor' reports is to judge that they didn't just make the stuff up; but that their sources may be misinformed.

 

I'm sure that's correct but I'm not interested in reading random rumours.

Then you have to go and find the New York Times for sailing. unfortunately, it don't exist.

 

SW had good journalistic coverage of AC34. It's nonsense to say they just run press releases. Justin Chisholm ran some good interviews too. SAAC is good for discussion, sometimes, but there's been precious little to discuss lately.

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Sounds like Mr C is gunning for this Pickle Dish...

 

03-Stupidest-Reasons-to-Get-Fired-Pulitz

with the ETNZ video he would have cracked it for sure!

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It's donkeys years since I was there but it would perhaps be a surprising choice as there's no major infrastructure afaik. Cheap possibly!

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It's donkeys years since I was there but it would perhaps be a surprising choice as there's no major infrastructure afaik. Cheap possibly!

Very cheap possibility, but why on earth would you want your base there? Just getting in and out of the harbour is a pain with all the traffic to contend with (naval and commercial, the restricted channels outside and the tide.

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Maybe with conditions not that dissimilar of SF? (Wind,current,etc).

 

They'd be sailing in the Solent or Hayling Bay as there isn't enough room in Portsmouth Harbour. The Solent certainly has tidal current. Hayling Bay can generate thermal wind similar to SF but needs perfect conditions to do so. Otherwise we need Atlantic lows to generate15 knots+. Sometimes they arrive every 2-3 days (or more in winter), sometimes they don't.

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"Ben Ainslie is making good progress on putting together an 80 million pounds ($130 million) British challenge for the next America's Cup, the four-times Olympic champion said on Thursday."

"Bank JP Morgan is a long-term sponsor of Ainslie's sailing career and his high public profile after winning gold at the 2012 London Olympics and in the America's Cup should help unlock funding.

"For the first time, coming back to the UK, non-sailors said I really enjoyed watching that," he said, recalling the reaction when he returned from the America's Cup last year."

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/13/sailing-americas-ainslie-idUSL6N0MA44120140313

I am getting the feeling that this will be an english challenge for the cup that seriously has a chance.

It would be a landslide event when the UK wins the cup for first time after 34 minus 3 = 31 attempts (minus 3 is for the dogmatches where the UK didn't participate and minus the last cup)

But if someone knows a LVC event or other cupyear where the UK didn't participate I am most willing to hear.

 

I heard that Sir Ben will be sporting Union Jack underwear for the April presentation.

He is in an advertisment for dehydration drinks.

http://www.athleticsweekly.com/competitions/sosrehydrate-1817/

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I'm not convinced I want my taxes spent on supporting BAR and as far regional development goes, there are more deserving cases than Portsmouth.

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For example?

 

I'm not convinced I want my taxes spent on supporting BAR and as far regional development goes, there are more deserving cases than Portsmouth.

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Plymouth. Falmouth. Cardiff. Pretty much anywhere in the NE.

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I'm not convinced I want my taxes spent on supporting BAR and as far regional development goes, there are more deserving cases than Portsmouth.

I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period. Especially if they are rolling the dice on a UK win!!!!....(not to say that the NE is not more deserving, but in this case, thats never going to happen!!!)

 

On that subject, if they were to win, where would they race these monsters?

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I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period.

Whether it drags spending is the wrong question. The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)? The correct question is - and what if you let tax payers decide how to spend their own money?

 

(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European socialist"?)

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I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period.

Whether it drags spending is the wrong question. The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)? The correct question is - and what if you let tax payers decide how to spend their own money?

 

(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European socialist"?)

It'll be a cold day in hell before that ever happens!

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Would think that the infrastructure of support services available in Portsmouth make it more viable from the team's POV - Endeavour Quay etc, and the Hamble's only a short distance away. Anywhere else and you're operating in a relative desert. Plus post Olympics, it must be a little easier to hang regeneration on the back of sport.

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Vsail is just about the only other english-lang sailing site besides us that goes to the trouble of actually running down and breaking sailing news rather than copying and pasting press releases or restructuring months old info. he is not always right, but he is right more often than not and even when he is wrong, it's usually instructive if you know the players.

The way I look at many 'rumor' reports is to judge that they didn't just make the stuff up; but that their sources may be misinformed.

 

I'm sure that's correct but I'm not interested in reading random rumours.

Then you have to go and find the New York Times for sailing. unfortunately, it don't exist.

 

SW had good journalistic coverage of AC34. It's nonsense to say they just run press releases. Justin Chisholm ran some good interviews too. SAAC is good for discussion, sometimes, but there's been precious little to discuss lately.

Wasn't talking about journalistic coverage whatever that fantasy means. Was talking about those with the balls to break stories about things that establishment would like to keep hidden. Happy to eat my words if you show me someone that does that in the sailing press besides Pierre and us.

 

Magnus used to do it, and he got threatened with litigation and folded up. Jaume Soler got sued for it and spent five years and his life savings fighting and finally winning against the Pombo/Chiravella guys. We got sued bu the same guy who went after Magnus (and we got on his radar for the same thing), and we have spent our life savings and 4 years fighting it with trial coming up in a couple of months.

 

Pierre walks a slightly more careful line, but has lots of enemies at the top end of the sport for his willingness to take them on. We know how he feels. Go and read Justin and SW's coverage and you'll find almost entirely sanitized stuff drawing mostly on the stuff force fed to them by the event and teams.

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Hamble's only a short distance away

Well the Southern would do a nice crew dinner but other than that, I'm not too sure what relevant infrastructure exists at Hamble? There's plenty to look after your 40-50 footer but these beasts?

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The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)?

 

Best Use...good luck with that concept

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(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European British socialist"?)

They were the best .. (how time flies..). But wait, didn't I rather mention Major Pettigrew? No matter, somehow I cannot picture you in today's London bordello

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Hamble's only a short distance away

 

Well the Southern would do a nice crew dinner but other than that, I'm not too sure what relevant infrastructure exists at Hamble? There's plenty to look after your 40-50 footer but these beasts?

Off the top of my head:

Diverse

TT rigging up the road in Woolston

Green Marine over Soton water in Hythe

 

Not all Hamble, true. But not exactly close to Falmouth, Cardiff, Plymouth or the NE.

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None of those are exactly "infrastructure". HYS would be "infrastructure" but getting your AC6x that far up the Hamble might involve several changes of underwear.

 

But I think you've misunderstood my comments. I don't think BAR should locate outside the Solent. What I said was that regional aid should be directed outside the SE. Nearby areas such as Eastleigh, Winchester and East Hants have some of the lowest unemployment in the UK.

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Hamble's only a short distance away

Well the Southern would do a nice crew dinner but other than that, I'm not too sure what relevant infrastructure exists at Hamble? There's plenty to look after your 40-50 footer but these beasts?

Off the top of my head:

Diverse

TT rigging up the road in Woolston

Green Marine over Soton water in Hythe

 

Not all Hamble, true. But not exactly close to Falmouth, Cardiff, Plymouth or the NE.

all the above would be in house stuff anyway.

 

dogwatch obviously means cranes, hardstands, water, access for large trucks, space etc etc. None of which hamble has in spades really

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I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period.

Whether it drags spending is the wrong question. The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)? The correct question is - and what if you let tax payers decide how to spend their own money?(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European socialist"?)

not that I care as I don't pay taxes (although I am British), but the link says city council. Is that not their own council tax earnings? Or do they get a pot from Westminster to allocate as they like?

 

I assumed that it would be a subsidy on their council taxes and the like, not a direct investment in the redevelopment of the quay etc. Although I guess it is just as likely they said they would,do the building up for them.

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I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period.

Whether it drags spending is the wrong question. The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)? The correct question is - and what if you let tax payers decide how to spend their own money?(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European socialist"?)

not that I care as I don't pay taxes (although I am British), but the link says city council. Is that not their own council tax earnings? Or do they get a pot from Westminster to allocate as they like?

I assumed that it would be a subsidy on their council taxes and the like, not a direct investment in the redevelopment of the quay etc. Although I guess it is just as likely they said they would,do the building up for them.

Go on!

 

Sell us the secret of not paying tax?

 

Are you an MP?

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the link says city council. Is that not their own council tax earnings? Or do they get a pot from Westminster to allocate as they like?

 

Neither of those.

 

He said: ‘What I have done now is talked to the Department for Business for a bid of £8m to support the team.

 

We have put the bid in as a council and it’s to cover the costs of putting in the infrastructure and facilities needed.

 

‘We talked to the department about getting it in as an exceptional Regional Growth Fund bid.’

 

Department for Business is Westminster (central) government.

 

Portsmouth Council gets around 2/3rds of revenue from central government, not council tax, nor does it have that much discretion over how to spend it since most local authority spending goes on programmes mandated by Westminster.

 

Black hole discovered in Portsmouth http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/council-tax-set-to-rise-in-portsmouth-to-help-plug-funding-black-hole-1-5670717

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"We saw some footage today that we just had to share with you, as it lets you see the Isle of Wight as you might not have seen before."

http://onthewight.com/2014/04/09/needles-cowes-air-video-like-youve-never-seen/

That UAV technology is amazing, but there's a lot of that WightWings footage which sin't focussed well - which is a pity. Maybe operator error, or the camera gear isn't all that 'state-of-the-art'?

 

Visited the Island back in 2003 (on a pilgrimage to Cowes). Fabulous place, as is all the south west coast of the 'old country'.

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the link says city council. Is that not their own council tax earnings? Or do they get a pot from Westminster to allocate as they like?

 

Neither of those.

 

He said: ‘What I have done now is talked to the Department for Business for a bid of £8m to support the team.

 

We have put the bid in as a council and it’s to cover the costs of putting in the infrastructure and facilities needed.

 

‘We talked to the department about getting it in as an exceptional Regional Growth Fund bid.’

 

Department for Business is Westminster (central) government.

 

Portsmouth Council gets around 2/3rds of revenue from central government, not council tax, nor does it have that much discretion over how to spend it since most local authority spending goes on programmes mandated by Westminster.

 

Black hole discovered in Portsmouth http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/council-tax-set-to-rise-in-portsmouth-to-help-plug-funding-black-hole-1-5670717

My apologies. I never actually read the article. Just the links title in the post here.

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I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period.

Whether it drags spending is the wrong question. The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)? The correct question is - and what if you let tax payers decide how to spend their own money?(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European socialist"?)

not that I care as I don't pay taxes (although I am British), but the link says city council. Is that not their own council tax earnings? Or do they get a pot from Westminster to allocate as they like?

I assumed that it would be a subsidy on their council taxes and the like, not a direct investment in the redevelopment of the quay etc. Although I guess it is just as likely they said they would,do the building up for them.

Go on!

 

Sell us the secret of not paying tax?

 

Are you an MP?

Live overseas in a tax free country....

 

Apparently this advice does not work for the yanks.

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How about the old hovercraft shed in Cowes? The one emblazened with the Unioun Flag. that should be big enough.

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^ Here we go again, Red Arrows next?

 

Capsized at the mark though :lol:

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I expect the return on an 8 million subsidy would be significant in terms of team spend in the area over that time period.

 

Whether it drags spending is the wrong question. The semi-correct question is: what's the best use of £8M in the UK for regional development (since this is central government money, not Portsmouth's)? The correct question is - and what if you let tax payers decide how to spend their own money?(Hey Xlot, do you still think I'm an "old-fashioned European socialist"?)

 

not that I care as I don't pay taxes (although I am British), but the link says city council. Is that not their own council tax earnings? Or do they get a pot from Westminster to allocate as they like?

I assumed that it would be a subsidy on their council taxes and the like, not a direct investment in the redevelopment of the quay etc. Although I guess it is just as likely they said they would,do the building up for them.

Go on!

Sell us the secret of not paying tax?

Are you an MP?

Live overseas in a tax free country....

 

Apparently this advice does not work for the yanks.

That's fine until you decide you want to come back or at least bring cash in isn't it?

 

Then you have to pay tax on it, at least that's the way I understood it.

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Live overseas in a tax free country....

 

Apparently this advice does not work for the yanks.

That's fine until you decide you want to come back or at least bring cash in isn't it?

 

Then you have to pay tax on it, at least that's the way I understood it.

I have no intention of moving back as I have spent 95% of my life abroad and the UK very much isn't my home (although I do feel British if that makes sense).

 

I think that only applies if you don't bother to register as a non resident. If you do register as a none resident then as long as you have your money in an offshore account I don't think you have to pay up (although I have paid my backdated national insurance contributions).

 

IANAL so please don't quote me on the above but I know from speaking to people that have returned that there are ways around it.

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I have no intention of moving back as I have spent 95% of my life abroad and the UK very much isn't my home (although I do feel British if that makes sense).

It doesn't really, no. Not to me anyway. "British" means living, working and bluntly, contributing here.

 

There again, I can't get my head around the millions who feel "Irish" without having ever having lived there or even, in many cases, even been there.

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I have no intention of moving back as I have spent 95% of my life abroad and the UK very much isn't my home (although I do feel British if that makes sense).

It doesn't really, no. Not to me anyway. "British" means living, working and bluntly, contributing here.

 

There again, I can't get my head around the millions who feel "Irish" without having ever having lived there or even, in many cases, even been there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid

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I hadn't come across that term, interesting.

 

The classic to me would be Kevin Rowland, born and raised in Wolverhampton of Irish parents. For the non-Brits here, Wolverhampton is a nondescript industrial city. Think Pittsburgh, perhaps. He wrote the very funny, sarcastically anti-British "There, there my dear", a classic album-full of cod-Celtic folk/rock and a long and turgid paean to his Irish roots on that difficult third album. But when he opened his mouth, what came out was pure Brummie (British west Midlands). So was he on extra from On the Waterfront?

 

 

Some make-believe Irish tinker?

 

 

All wonderful anyway. Now back to the scheduled programme.

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Back to the failed 1960s policy of "picking (industrial) winners" and throwing taxpayer money at them. It is fascinating that the Conservative-controlled Hampshire County Council co-authored a report, sponsored by a Conservative minister, proposing old-fashioned big-project dirigisme that could have come out of Harold Wilson's socialist governments.

 

Anyway, BAR has its hand out for £8M please. I guess that is the same £8M that Portsmouth's major is talking about but it isn't entirely clear.

 

The report points to Valencia as a positive example for the Solent to emulate. Bloody bankrupt Valencia with its catalogue of taxpayer-funded white elephants. Oh boy.

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^ Joke or??

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It's not a bloody Opera House they need FFS!

 

Think Pier 80 - cranes, floats, wash down, big doors, sail loft, build area, parking etc. Cheap conversion of existing industrial/port sheds is what's needed, maybe a bit of spit and polish for the 'visitors centre' but that's it.

They'd be lucky to get a new build finished before the next AC cycle was virtually over. Poms eh?

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Cheap conversion of existing industrial/port sheds is what's needed

There aren't a lot of redundant facilities like that around the Solent, because brownfield sites have been reused for housing.

 

This isn't NZ. The government money that being touted for isn't to support BAR to win the cup, it's to regenerate Portsmouth.

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Cheap conversion of existing industrial/port sheds is what's needed

There aren't a lot of redundant facilities like that around the Solent, because brownfield sites have been reused for housing.This isn't NZ. The government money that being touted for isn't to support BAR to win the cup, it's to regenerate Portsmouth.

It'll take more than money to regenerate Portsmouth ;)

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Cheap conversion of existing industrial/port sheds is what's needed

There aren't a lot of redundant facilities like that around the Solent, because brownfield sites have been reused for housing.This isn't NZ. The government money that being touted for isn't to support BAR to win the cup, it's to regenerate Portsmouth.

It'll take more than money to regenerate Portsmouth ;)

Hope they do Gosport too

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Cheap conversion of existing industrial/port sheds is what's needed

There aren't a lot of redundant facilities like that around the Solent, because brownfield sites have been reused for housing.

 

This isn't NZ. The government money that being touted for isn't to support BAR to win the cup, it's to regenerate Portsmouth.

 

One will do!

 

Do you think there's time to get the money, get consents and build from scratch? What will Portsmouth do with that thing later? Theatre? Sewage treatment plant?

 

Not NZ. Meaning?

 

Spending the money on a sports team that will mostly compete overseas is a bit of a long bow to draw - but if Portsmouth is willing to co-sign then fair enough.

 

And if the result is a a round of the 'AC prelims' being held in the neighbourhood then all the better.

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Do you think there's time to get the money, get consents and build from scratch? What will Portsmouth do with that thing later? Theatre? Sewage treatment plant?

Don't ask me to justify this proposal. I've made it clear elsewhere in this thread that I don't support it.

Not NZ. Meaning?

NZ spends government money to win the Cup. This isn't an application for government money to win the Cup. It's to regenerate Portsmouth.

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ding the money on a sports team that will mostly compete overseas is a bit of a long bow to draw - but if Portsmouth is willing to co-sign then fair enough.

As discussed elsewhere in this thread, Portsmouth isn't "co-signing" anything. Portsmouth has no money. Portsmouth is applying for central government money.

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I just hope Ben Ainslie gets his wishes and he can challenge for the 35th AC. Ben is such a class-act. I would be very happy for him.

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I just hope Ben Ainslie gets his wishes and he can challenge for the 35th AC. Ben is such a class-act. I would be very happy for him.

 

yeah, specially when he jumps aboard some rib to smash some photographer's face.

 

class-act indeed.

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I just hope Ben Ainslie gets his wishes and he can challenge for the 35th AC. Ben is such a class-act. I would be very happy for him.

 

yeah, specially when he jumps aboard some rib to smash some photographer's face.

 

class-act indeed.

Well...he certainly had brain-fade that day.

 

But not too consistent in the Extreme 40 series is he? Flashes of his old brilliance but.

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I just hope Ben Ainslie gets his wishes and he can challenge for the 35th AC. Ben is such a class-act. I would be very happy for him.

 

yeah, specially when he jumps aboard some rib to smash some photographer's face.

 

class-act indeed.

Well...he certainly had brain-fade that day.

 

But not too consistent in the Extreme 40 series is he? Flashes of his old brilliance but.

Yeah, lacking consistency. Among that fierce and talented competition, flashes of brilliance won't put him on the podium.

 

But I'd to see him putting a British challenge together.

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I just hope Ben Ainslie gets his wishes and he can challenge for the 35th AC. Ben is such a class-act. I would be very happy for him.

yeah, specially when he jumps aboard some rib to smash some photographer's face.

 

class-act indeed.

Well...he certainly had brain-fade that day.

 

But not too consistent in the Extreme 40 series is he? Flashes of his old brilliance but.

Yeah, lacking consistency. Among that fierce and talented competition, flashes of brilliance won't put him on the podium.

 

But I'd to see him putting a British challenge together.

Absolutely.

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Exclusive: A year on, Sir Ben Ainslie and Iain Percy on dealing with death of 'Bart'

 

One has flown in from California, the other from China, united in friendship and grief, and as determined as they have been in the pursuit of gold to ensure that Friday plays another part in guaranteeing that their best friend's name and impact lives on.

 

Sir Ben Ainslie arrived Wednesday from racing in the Extreme Series in Qingdao, the 2008 Olympic venue where he won the third of his magnificent four Olympic gold medals. Iain Percy, a double Olympic champion, arrives Friday morning from the San Francisco base where he leads Team Artemis in the pursuit of America's Cup glory.

 

Both are home for one reason: to be in Weymouth for the opening of the Andrew Simpson Sailing Centre at the Weymouth and Portland National Sailing Academy. It is the latest stage in the extraordinary rise of the Andrew Simpson Sailing Foundation borne out of the universal love from their sport following the tragic drowning of "Bart" Simpson on 9 May 2013 in San Francisco Bay when Artemis capsized on a training run. He was 36.

 

The new centre officially opened on Friday in the company of Ainslie, Percy, other key members of the British sailing community and, perhaps most poignantly of all, Simpson's widow, Leah is designed to provide the chance for children of all ages and backgrounds to sample not just the sport of sailing, but opportunities to work in the sailing industry.

 

"It would have been almost the perfect day for Bart," Ainslie explains. "It meant so much to him to provide the chance for all to sail or gain employment in the business. Ridding the sport of any remaining elitist perceptions was a huge goal for him, and he'd devote much of his time to helping others, advising anyone who asked. I just wish he was here to see it. I'd give anything for that."

 

The Foundation has raised more than £500,000 so far and, apart from Friday's event, will also stage "Bart's Bash" on 21 September, a synchronised series of races worldwide designed to annually encourage as many people as possible to get out on to the water, and to keep the memory of Simpson burning brightly. It hopes to break the world record as the race with the most participants.

 

These are projects that Ainslie, Percy, Leah Simpson and others have thrown themselves into but Percy, who won his second Olympic gold in the Star Class at Qingdao with Simpson alongside him before claiming silver as a pair in Weymouth in 2012, admits that such activities and especially Friday's opening on the first anniversary of his friend's death have also helped him to deal with the trauma of Simpson's death.

 

"Friday will serve as a bit of a defence mechanism for us all," Percy admits. "I find it much easier to work in Bart's name than to concentrate on losing him. He was my best mate, and there will be moments of great sadness on Friday mixed with pride for the impact that he has made and a celebration of his life.

 

"Whenever I was struggling with anything personal or professional, I'd turn to Bart. So did everyone else for that matter. The best person to talk to right now about all this would be Bart. As irrational as it sounds, I'm still expecting him to walk through my door at any time. I imagine it so strongly, it feels completely real. But for the last year I've had to rely on what Bart would say, rather than what he is. And, for sure, he'd be telling me to stop moping and get on with life."

 

Ainslie concurs. "That would be Bart. He wouldn't have much time for us feeling sorry for ourselves. He'd tell us life was for living. And he'd be overjoyed by the Foundation and by the opening of the sailing club his sailing club on Friday.

 

"It doesn't change the fact, as hard as I'll try, that Friday will be tough. Very tough. I think we'll all be very conscious that at some point in the day we'll need each other. I think the full range of emotions will be felt.

 

Ainslie adds: "Obviously mine and Iain's main concern will be for Leah and the kids [Freddie, three, and one-year-old Hamish] although Leah has been remarkable in the way she's handled everything. Iain says that we should be rocks for her but, if anything, it's been the other way round and he's right. Leah's been an inspiration to us all."

 

A year ago Friday, Percy and Simpson set out on to the murky waters of San Francisco Bay for another day's training in pursuit of the ultimate goal in sailing, the America's Cup.

 

In winds of around 18 knots (23mph) their £5m catamaran Artemis attempted a 180-degree turn from upwind to downwind, heading away from the Golden Gate Bridge and towards Berkeley. The fronts of the hulls dug into the water and the boat flipped over, partially broke up and capsized.

 

An unclipped Simpson, who had been standing a few feet away from Percy, was missing for almost 15 minutes and when he was finally discovered and pulled from the wreckage below the surface, it was already too late.

 

Percy delivered an emotional eulogy at Simpson's funeral at Sherborne Abbey and served, together with Ainslie and fellow Olympic gold medallist Paul Goodison, as pallbearers. He positioned a photo of his friend at the lectern and now, back home, he has another picture of the two of them sailing.

 

"It brings back good memories," he says. "We're on Artemis, we're fired up, we're racing and Bart's in his element. The picture was only taken a week or two before"

 

Percy's voice trails off for a few seconds. "If I'm honest I'm finding it hardest now. At first I threw myself into the team, into Leah and the kids and into preserving Bart's legacy through the Foundation.

 

"But it's been comparatively quieter in the last few weeks and that's where the numbness has set in. It feels like a permanent hole. I have to look out at San Francisco Bay every day of my working life with Artemis. There's a particular part of the Bay I really don't like at all. It brings back horrific memories.

 

"I miss him most when I'm racing. I want to turn round to him all the time and seek his advice or reassurance. Of course, I can't. I know that it will affect me for the rest of my life."

 

Ainslie contemplated packing in sailing, even though one of Britain's greatest ever Olympians had begun the pursuit to win the America's Cup in a British boat that may yet happen in 2017. Indeed, a couple of months after the tragedy, Ainslie joined Oracle, 8-1 down to Team New Zealand, and helped the American boat to a memorable 9-8 America's Cup victory.

 

"It was an obvious first reaction, I guess," Ainslie accepts. "What happened to Bart made you think about what life is really all about. It was a huge wake-up call. But he would have been furious with me if I'd stopped and so instead I aim to do everything I can for him and for British sailing.

 

"Life will never be the same again without him but if I were to bring the America's Cup home, the first glass raised will be to a great sailor, and to an even greater human being."

 

For more information go to: www.andrewsimpsonsailing.org

 

Bart's death was sailing's 'Ayrton Senna moment'

 

The winner of last summer's dramatic America's Cup has revealed how the fiercely secretive boat crews competing for the next America's Cup are working together to improve the safety of the fast and powerful catamarans following the death of Andrew Simpson a year ago.

 

James Spithill, who with significant aid from Sir Ben Ainslie came back from 8-1 down to beat Team New Zealand 9-8 in San Francisco Bay last September, has likened the tragic drowning of Simpson to sailing's "Ayrton Senna moment", a particularly poignant and relevant association in the week marking the 20th anniversary of the three-time Formula One world champion's death in San Marino.

 

"Nobody has died in Formula One since Senna's accident and we're all hoping there will never be a repeat of what happened to Bart again in the America's Cup or any other races in our sport," the two-time America's Cup winner said.

 

"Of course, it's never quite as simple as that. Sailing can be unpredictable in that, unlike in Formula One, you have to deal with one area out of your control the elements. The wind and the sea will always make our sport unpredictable but for the first time ever we're not just concentrating on speed any more, but safety as well.

 

"What happened to Bart really was our own Ayrton Senna moment. To see such a universally loved friend and competitor lose his life in the pursuit of speed and competition on the same waters that we would subsequently fight for the America's Cup forced us all to stop and think. Such a tragedy has to be a turning point for us all."

 

In the wake of Simpson's death the America's Cup and Louis Vuitton Challenger teams who are all waiting for the imminent announcement of the protocols for the next America's Cup, which is almost certain to be staged in 2017 in the defending country of the United States have been working together like never before.

 

"Technology overtook safety," the Australian added. "Speed was what we all chased. Our rivalries traditionally run deep. It's the same as in Formula One. We won't give each other an inch-worth of knowledge. It's always been highly protective.

 

"A lot of that has now changed. Designers and engineers across the board have been sharing information and knowledge with each other in the pursuit of safety.

 

"We're not just talking about the design of the boats. We're also exploring how better to survive when capsizing, the upgrading of helmets and life vests and improving impact on water.

 

"Rivalries have been put to one side and much of this has been led by the athletes who were all shaken by Bart's death. The drive to make sure it doesn't happen again is the least we can do to honour his name and leave a legacy. We all feel it when you lose one of your own."

 

As for the prospect of facing former team-mate Ainslie as a challenger in 2017, Spithill is excited. "We're good mates who share a huge degree of respect for each other. What happened last year in the America's Cup will be something we can share for the rest of our lives.

 

"We're both very competitive animals. We'll go out to smash each other if Ben's boat gets through the Challenger series and that won't be easy but when it's over we'll also have a beer together. There's no question I'd love to meet Ben in the America's Cup. To beat him would be some achievement."

 

Ian Stafford

 

James Spithill was talking on behalf of Laureus. For more information visit: www.laureus.com

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/sailing/exclusive-a-year-on-sir-ben-ainslie-and-iain-percy-on-dealing-with-death-of-bart-9335072.html

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