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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

BAR looked fast today, really surprised me. 

Wasn't so much as BAR being fast as Artemis being slow having chosen their light air boards for today.

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5 minutes ago, Rimmer said:

Wasn't so much as BAR being fast as Artemis being slow having chosen their light air boards for today.

Doug won't be surprised. He'll happily advise them they should have built AP's to reconfigure.

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40 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I know that A4E can be a mega-douche, especially with respect to BAR (maybe hates poms?)

But he does speak truth here. They have been pretty bloody terrible.

If they are lucky, it is a lack of skill which can (hopefully) be rectified more quickly than the likely problem of poor boat design.

Top speed seems to be much less of a problem than keeping her on the foils. Lack of hydro? Crap foils? Goodness knows.

Big mystery to me too after they built three T boats and spent months  (years?) developing on the Solent. Hydro issues would be my first guess for being their biggest problem.

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5 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Big mystery to me too after they built three T boats and spent months  (years?) developing on the Solent. Hydro issues would be my first guess for being their biggest problem.

Differences in salinity? ^_^

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no one has answered my very serious question...

WTF is wrong with Sah Bin's neck?

 

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If BAR beat France tomorrow then BAR. Is certain of making the semi final because     BAR will have 5 points.

The only way for France to get 5 points would be to beat Artemis.

The only way for Artemis to get 5 points would be to beat France.

Since one result excludes the other, BAR  would be mathematically certain of the next round....provided BAR beats France,

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4 hours ago, Rimmer said:

Wasn't so much as BAR being fast as Artemis being slow having chosen their light air boards for today.

I dunno BAR were pretty hot today, that 18kt foiling tack was slick

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So if Artemis chose their light air boards and were slow and BAR chose their light air boards and beat them then BAR have a faster light air set up? 

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

So if Artemis chose their light air boards and were slow and BAR chose their light air boards and beat them then BAR have a faster light air set up? 

IF A AND IF B THEN C

 

regrettably it is all speculation, but that does seem to fit some of the facts.

 

One might speculate that Ben optimised for expected cup conditions (light air) and is trying to do just enough to get through the qualifiers (medium to heavy air).

But it's all just speculation. I don't think they have any massive tricks up their sleeves, they  are just trying to grind out the result.

 

If anyone can grind out a result from a sub optimal package, I would put my money on Ben.

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All I will say is I hope A4E doesn't start supporting ETNZ...every fucking team he starts supporting turns into a DOG...BAR, they turn to shit so then he switches to AR, they look like they have turned to shit....well BAR looked ok today...time will tell, but it's funny to watch him change only for that team to turn into a steaming pile of shit!

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1 hour ago, jjhplus9 said:

IF A AND IF B THEN C

 

 

Goddamn it. I think jjh is onto something.

This would explain Artemis' up and down performance and pretty much everything.

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1 hour ago, **ONTOIT** said:

All I will say is I hope A4E doesn't start supporting ETNZ...every fucking team he starts supporting turns into a DOG...BAR, they turn to shit so then he switches to AR, they look like they have turned to shit....well BAR looked ok today...time will tell, but it's funny to watch him change only for that team to turn into a steaming pile of shit!

You have a point

A4E- if you start supporting Oracle, we will all have a whip round and make it very worth your while

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1 hour ago, Mambo Kings said:

Goddamn it. I think jjh is onto something.

This would explain Artemis' up and down performance and pretty much everything.

lol

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28 minutes ago, enigmatically said:

Now if we can get a win againt ETNZ it will really put the cat among the pigeons

It would, and not out of the realms of possibility. The Poms looked good yesterday, but the Kiwis are no slouches, and NZ will make them earn it.

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Nice tribute to Kiwi Jono Macbeth

"The bloke's done like 20 America's Cup matches," Carr noted. "You cannot buy that experience. I think Jono would be the first to say that, physically, guys like Bleddyn [Mon] and Neil [Hunter], the young guys who also sail in his spot, are fitter than him.

"He's still a strong old beast. That's why we call him The Bear. But his temperament today blew me away. In four years of sailing with BAR that is actually the first race I have done with Jono. But he brought an attitude on to the boat that resonated across the crew."

Ainslie was similarly impressed. "That was why I wanted him on the boat because we've been having a tough time," he said.

"If the guys on the other boats look across and see him, it probably puts the shivers down them a bit. It helped to settle the boat. That's what you need, to bring on big name players and put on a performance."

 

Racing today

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3 hours ago, Indio said:

Nice tribute to Kiwi Jono Macbeth

"The bloke's done like 20 America's Cup matches," Carr noted. "You cannot buy that experience. I think Jono would be the first to say that, physically, guys like Bleddyn [Mon] and Neil [Hunter], the young guys who also sail in his spot, are fitter than him.

"He's still a strong old beast. That's why we call him The Bear. But his temperament today blew me away. In four years of sailing with BAR that is actually the first race I have done with Jono. But he brought an attitude on to the boat that resonated across the crew."

Ainslie was similarly impressed. "That was why I wanted him on the boat because we've been having a tough time," he said.

"If the guys on the other boats look across and see him, it probably puts the shivers down them a bit. It helped to settle the boat. That's what you need, to bring on big name players and put on a performance."

 

Racing today

Legend.

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More interesting than usual - still stuffed her kid in there though?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, nav said:

More interesting than usual - still stuffed her kid in there though?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good for her...nice familial touch in a relaxed forum...

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1 hour ago, Mambo Kings said:

BAR are through to the next round

just prolonging the pain. BA looking like a broken man

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I think the flight time indicator on the TV feed is wrong. Oracle touched down against France the other day (I think it was during a mark rounding) yet the flight time showed 100%. Even Ken Read had a bit of a chuckle about it.

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Yup, the semi finals of the LV probably get decided over the next two days of round robin 2.  Artemis and Softbank will be battling to determine who gets the bye (matched vs BAR) and who has to go up against TNZ.

BAR's team clearly very strong tactically but no match in speed in lighter airs with the 4 stronger teams.  Need to revisit foil design and/or technique

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GTFrance are going home unless Artemis loses to the OR tag team tomorrow, in which case it's all to race for on Saturday. Artemis only has to pinch a win tomorrow against either OR-Xerox or OR-JPN. 

On the current standings, ETNZ should select BAR for their semi opponent.

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14 minutes ago, Indio said:

{snip}

On the current standings, ETNZ should select BAR for their semi opponent.

Why would they not pick the potentially strongest team and eliminate them before they can develop enough to be dangerous?

Then the team they get for finals won't be as battle hardened either...

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On 1/06/2017 at 2:51 AM, Alinghi4ever said:

Stats Sweden vs Great Britain from yesterday....how GB beat Sweden....Fly Time is pretty astounding. 99.7 %...but they were also over 1.5 knots faster. That's always how you win a Race.

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It also helps if your tactics give you one less maneuver to perform.

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3 hours ago, Nutta said:

Why would they not pick the potentially strongest team and eliminate them before they can develop enough to be dangerous?

Then the team they get for finals won't be as battle hardened either...

The points say BAR are the strongest of the rest.

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11 hours ago, Mambo Kings said:

Yup, the semi finals of the LV probably get decided over the next two days of round robin 2.  Artemis and Softbank will be battling to determine who gets the bye (matched vs BAR) and who has to go up against TNZ.

BAR's team clearly very strong tactically but no match in speed in lighter airs with the 4 stronger teams.  Need to revisit foil design and/or technique

LRBAR seems to have enough speed in the mid range. In light they seems to be very slow and when the breeze picks up they are dropping off the foils a lot, or slow.

AR is at ETNZ pace when it blows, but that's it.

2 of SBTJs wins have been against TF and the 3rd involved a damaged opponent. Referring to them as one of the "4 strong teams" is a joke. TF must have everything crossed for a SBTJ win against AR!

It's possible BARs match with SBTJ will decide who they face in the knock out from the look of it, so still expecting ETNZ v SBTJ + LRBAR v AR as the match up for the knock outs.

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1 hour ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Honestly I think as long as BAR isn't facing ETNZ they have a shot progressing to the Final. Should they face ETNZ they're likely going home.

Can't see how BAR can make the cup proper with out facing ETNZ, and then it's goodnight sweetheart.

USA and TNZ look to be on a different level to the other 4. Who is better between them I don't know, but I know who I want to be better.

 

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I recon the only challenger standing in ETNZ way is AR and then only if it blows. Light windustrial for the cup and you have to have them as substantial favorites at this point.

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5 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Honestly I think as long as BAR isn't facing ETNZ they have a shot progressing to the Final. Should they face ETNZ they're likely going home.

I think it likely that TNZ will choose BAR in order to have a safe predictable passage to the LV final. They dont want to mess with the unpredicable Artemis at this stage, and nor do they want to make it too easy on Artemis by handing them BAR on a plate.

 

My guess (and purely speculation) is that the semis are:

TNZ vs BAR

Artemis vs STJ

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20 hours ago, Indio said:

The points say BAR are the strongest of the rest.

I am wondering if BA is not secretly wishing he was going home tomorrow instead of Frank. He only just scraped a win over the French yesterday and now faces dragging the agony out for another series knowing that his boat and crew will never be fast enough. For a multi Gold Medallist it is certainly not where he wants to be.  At some stage he will have to explain to Queen Kate what went wrong. 

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1 hour ago, winchfodder said:

I am wondering if BA is not secretly wishing he was going home tomorrow instead of Frank. He only just scraped a win over the French yesterday and now faces dragging the agony out for another series knowing that his boat and crew will never be fast enough. For a multi Gold Medallist it is certainly not where he wants to be.  At some stage he will have to explain to Queen Kate what went wrong. 

Think it's fair to say ETNZ will select BAR for the LVC semis. Can't see anything else other than a love score for BAR. 

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1 hour ago, Alinghi4ever said:

That's BS from you. They wouldn't have built a "State of the Art Base" back home in Portsmouth if this would be a one shot try. Ben however will likely not be at the helm for AC 36

He's 40 now and I could see him during the role of CEO for AC 36. If the Cats stay expect McMillan to helm or someone from the LRBAR Academy.

I was referring to the current series with next week's semifinals., not his plans for the future.

As for the Portsmouth he wouldn't have built it if he had not persuaded the government to give him £9 million cash. That investment not looking so good now. 

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13 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

Think it's fair to say ETNZ will select BAR for the LVC semis. Can't see anything else other than a love score for BAR. 

Might not be the best option with Ben with a seriously sore head from the humiliation the day before. He might lash out again and ETNZ don't want any more damage. 

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25 minutes ago, winchfodder said:

Might not be the best option with Ben with a seriously sore head from the humiliation the day before. He might lash out again and ETNZ don't want any more damage. 

Don't think he'll ever get that close.

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10 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

That's BS from you. They wouldn't have built a "State of the Art Base" back home in Portsmouth if this would be a one shot try. Ben however will likely not be at the helm for AC 36

He's 40 now and I could see him during the role of CEO for AC 36. If the Cats stay expect McMillan to helm or someone from the LRBAR Academy.

I don't think he should have been driving the boat this time anyway, not enough multihull history in depth in his cv and then taking on el Supremo PR role and all that goes with that has been too much, and it shows.  Too old - quite possibly, and also not technical enough to pick up on issues like the maneuverability until it's too late in the day.  So many practical sailing issues seem to have escaped the team in general, and just being able to stay on the foils at the expense of a minor top speed loss possibly has been one of those.

Will the funding keep on coming?  Rather doubt it. 

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Imagine if despite their pre-declared intent to participate in multiple AC contests and the massive investment in personnel, research and infrastructure they become so disenchanted with legal manoeuvring and bad-faith that they withdraw and shut down after one attempt!

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LandRoverBARs budget for this 35th cup cycle was quoted at £100m...

I thought this was viewed as the learning curve stage....? With Sir Ben and the team having enough budget for another 'bring the cup home' shot in a couple of years.....

Its clear the ETNZ tech is better integrated and working, under most prevailing conditions...Even when they've had the occasional race plan glitch, they quickly recover and get moving faster on their foils again... the near 100% flying times per race tell you all you need to know.

I suspect Larry is moving to the cheque book dipping phase pdq as I type, not sure Boeing can help him out this time.... Will Oracle go all out cycling for hydro/oil pressure control... - legs will beat fore/upper arm and shoulders everytime...and allows for the tactician to be looking over the course and not energy depleted/brain overload sweating...

No one looks as smooth moving around the course as ETNZ...

Ainslie, should drive his boat tech developments best he can for this season... lick his wounds and get better at the design/testing tech phase pre the next get go.

For me the bonus has been seeing Deano and the Japs punch way above their weight....

Trixie out

 

 

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50 minutes ago, GBH said:

Will the funding keep on coming?  Rather doubt it. 

In a recent BBC piece there was a pretty strong hint by Keith Mills that it would.

I don't see much evidence to back up the belief that multi-hulls are so very difficult to adapt to for good sailors. But BA too old to helm in AC36? I'm afraid I'd have to agree.

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2 minutes ago, Marinatrix447 said:

LandRoverBARs budget for this 35th cup cycle was quoted at £100m...

 

£110M actually, by Keith Mills who ought to know.

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48 minutes ago, nav said:

Imagine if despite their pre-declared intent to participate in multiple AC contests and the massive investment in personnel, research and infrastructure they become so disenchanted with legal manoeuvring and bad-faith that they withdraw and shut down after one attempt!

 

41 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

That's precisely the reason why Ben Ainslie named the Team after himself. He doesn't want to be beholden to the legal crap that might occur after AC 35 because that's what killed Team Origin after the 2007 Cup. He wanted something that could sustain itself even if the next Cup is only in 4-5 years. I think he's done a good job with that, the 1851 Trust Fund, the Land Rover BAR Academy, etc.

whoosh!

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The GTF have proven conclusively that 1 Euro is easily worth 3 Pomgolian dollars

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12 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

The Problem Ainslie has most of the Design Team he wanted for AC 35 chosed Iain & Artemis over him. That's why he had to find other ways like going to the F1 World. If Ben & Iain could hunker down after this Cup bind all the resources they both have together for one British Team with a goal to bring the Cup back home they really would have a good shot in AC 36. As long as the two fractions are split apart unlikely UK will ever own the Cup again.

I don't reckon the F1 world had much to offer!  Be nice to know exactly what Whitmarsh has brought to the party apart from ? millions wage packet!

TNZ has always been a real lesson in how to get most bangs for the buck from their campaigns and so far it looks as though they've done it again and on a short time span too.

Without those two pts then BAR would be looking extremely average, and it's hard to convince the sponsors on performance that they should continue funding what has really been a pretty sub standard effort so far.

Be good if the 1851 and LR academy do continue, but would expect to see a much reduced set of targets and more than likely not involving the AC - unless of course a sugar daddy can be found to take the punt next time around.

 

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35 minutes ago, GBH said:

Without those two pts then BAR would be looking extremely average, and it's hard to convince the sponsors on performance that they should continue funding what has really been a pretty sub standard effort so far.

Winning is just the icing on the cake for sponsors. The point is to get executive VIPs into the huge hospitality centre BAR has built in BER, feed them champagne and canapés and get the handshake on that key deal.

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Alininhi4evvvverrrr

so now it's a multi campaign deal, nameing the team after himself is ok and actually the f1 think was good too?

though you said they were going to be first out the door too?

 

weeks ago you were done with the team, so precisely why the fuck do you even have an opinion on this thread?

 

its ok to admit that you were being an utterly opertunist cunty little fan boy but I doubt your going to admit that are you?

pick a team (that's actually participating) and stick with it ;-)

 

people are moaning about the ACWS points? So fucking what?they were there for all the teams to grab, one team did get over it, it was fair it was onecdesign and they sailed better, all the what ifs and buts are just excuses.

the reality at the moment is that BAR are still in the cup, they don't seem to like super low wind, had issues on bearaway up range ( sortable) and are actually pretty fricken quick mid range the wins over Artemis attest to that. Oh and the fastest top speed from what's been shown here.

43.5-44kts iirc 

considering where they were according to all those in the know, BAR were fucked before the comp even began, clearly they aren't. 

Either the comentators/reporters don't know shit or the team are considerably better at running a campaign than anyone seems able to give them credit for.

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59 minutes ago, nav said:

The GTF have proven conclusively that 1 Euro is easily worth 3 Pomgolian dollars

That's about the exchange rate since brexit.

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36 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

the reality at the moment is that BAR are still in the cup, they don't seem to like super low wind, had issues on bearaway up range ( sortable) and are actually pretty fricken quick mid range the wins over Artemis attest to that. Oh and the fastest top speed from what's been shown here.

43.5-44kts iirc 

considering where they were according to all those in the know, BAR were fucked before the comp even began, clearly they aren't. 

Either the comentators/reporters don't know shit or the team are considerably better at running a campaign than anyone seems able to give them credit for.

Top speed is pretty irrelevant.  What really matters is consistent high averages which means you have to keep foiling as the bottom line and be able to cope with the whole wind spectrum   All the foiling classes have learnt that the hard way, and why BAR have left such big gaps in their armoury is hard to fathom.

Rocket science it ain't as far as the physics are concerned, sailing the things is the tough one but others have figured that out and there are enough spies around the place to work out the techniques.  Lack of overall vision and/or too closeted in the worlds of theory would seem to be the issue on the design and configuration options.

If its a foils issue for handling then they are stuffed, can't build new ones to fix that problem, and be sure the other teams will be aware of that feature and work out how to exploit the weakness.

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On 6/3/2017 at 11:38 PM, dogwatch said:

Winning is just the icing on the cake for sponsors. The point is to get executive VIPs into the huge hospitality centre BAR has built in BER, feed them champagne and canapés and get the handshake on that key deal.

but having a rep as a recidivist loose cannon who has fucked two boats needlessly isn't gonna play well along with the huge squandering of money to results ratio.

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There last race was their best so far so perhaps it's starting to come together .

They aren't top shelf by far  but the trend towards the good is fairly rapid . 

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Spitbull demonstrated that you can rattle the Kiwis at/on the start line… and if there is one thing so far we can rely on… it’s that Sir Ben is one of the best starters in the series…

Perhaps we should all gasp with relief, as the LandieBAR boat comes surfing out today with cyclors fitted?

(Probably not)

They proved against the Japs yesterday that they have improved muchly on their tack/gybe around the mark stability…

Is it enough to put the Kiwis down..? Mr. Ainslie  swallowing hard post Peter’s announcement at the skippers debrief that The Brits had been selected… tells you all you need to know.

(One thing is for sure, they will go down fighting)

Another underdog question equally is, can Deano sock it to the Swedes…?

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1 hour ago, Marinatrix447 said:

Spitbull demonstrated that you can rattle the Kiwis at/on the start line… and if there is one thing so far we can rely on… it’s that Sir Ben is one of the best starters in the series…

 

Perhaps we should all gasp with relief, as the LandieBAR boat comes surfing out today with cyclors fitted?

 

(Probably not)

 

They proved against the Japs yesterday that they have improved muchly on their tack/gybe around the mark stability…

 

Is it enough to put the Kiwis down..? Mr. Ainslie  swallowing hard post Peter’s announcement at the skippers debrief that The Brits had been selected… tells you all you need to know.

 

(One thing is for sure, they will go down fighting)

 

Another underdog question equally is, can Deano sock it to the Swedes…?

 

Totally agree Sir Ben & BAR will leave nothing in the tank. They are clearly underdogs and will have to sail flawlessly around the course to compete with ETNZ. OTUSA vs ETNZ showed what pressure can do as I never expected ETNZ to get a penalty for crossing the boundary shows they are human after all and not unbeatable by any means for BAR.

ETNZ sailing technique I feel has been consistently the best of all the teams so far. BAR showed against OTUSA they can sail well as the start was critical and thats there advantage with Sir Bens agressive style. ETNZ are clear favourites as theyve shown consistently better speed around the course than BAR ...the talk of weather etc by the Kiwis..whatever..theyve been clearly faster and had less trouble with BAR and thats why they picked them.

Pressure does make a difference and BAR have nothing to lose as ETNZ is expected to win easy and if Sir Ben can rattle them early who knows after all this is the Americas Cup and underdogs have prevailed before, same goes for Dean & SBTJapan .

I know the odds are against BAR but hey its Sir Ben Ainslie and theres no better sailor who can put the blowtorch on Burling & Co so bring on Race 1 of the Challenger Playoffs, time to go to work BAR!!!Go get em!!!! Time to throw a BAR spanner in the ETNZ works!!!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Worlds most expensive umbrella holder ;-) 

 

But will it work at 30 knots? Sure, but not as intended. :)

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5 hours ago, AustraliaII4Eva said:

Totally agree Sir Ben & BAR will leave nothing in the tank. They are clearly underdogs and will have to sail flawlessly around the course to compete with ETNZ. OTUSA vs ETNZ showed what pressure can do as I never expected ETNZ to get a penalty for crossing the boundary shows they are human after all and not unbeatable by any means for BAR.

ETNZ sailing technique I feel has been consistently the best of all the teams so far. BAR showed against OTUSA they can sail well as the start was critical and thats there advantage with Sir Bens agressive style. ETNZ are clear favourites as theyve shown consistently better speed around the course than BAR ...the talk of weather etc by the Kiwis..whatever..theyve been clearly faster and had less trouble with BAR and thats why they picked them.

Pressure does make a difference and BAR have nothing to lose as ETNZ is expected to win easy and if Sir Ben can rattle them early who knows after all this is the Americas Cup and underdogs have prevailed before, same goes for Dean & SBTJapan .

I know the odds are against BAR but hey its Sir Ben Ainslie and theres no better sailor who can put the blowtorch on Burling & Co so bring on Race 1 of the Challenger Playoffs, time to go to work BAR!!!Go get em!!!! Time to throw a BAR spanner in the ETNZ works!!!

 

 

The race will be pre-start to Mk 1 only, don't think BAR as the speed.

But PB and Co need the starting acid thrown on them, should be fun to watch.

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5 hours ago, FinnFish said:

The race will be pre-start to Mk 1 only, don't think BAR as the speed.

But PB and Co need the starting acid thrown on them, should be fun to watch.

I'd be happy with a clean penalty-free start, drag-race to the first mark and then play it from there. If ETNZ is faster, don't do anything stupid to cause a rules infraction - stay close and pick the moment to strike and pass.

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22 minutes ago, Indio said:

 stay close and pick the moment to strike and pass.

I think that can be done way back in the start box, don't fuck around with a dial up or hook, hit the line doing 36........

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7 hours ago, FinnFish said:

I think that can be done way back in the start box, don't fuck around with a dial up or hook, hit the line doing 36........

I agree, don't get sucked into lead mine tactics. Times have changed

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Don't trust the limey fuckers. Won't be the walkover most predicting.

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16 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Newly re-uploaded anyway..

What dire and cringeworthy 'reporting' from Mrs BAR, and should keep Whitmatsh off camera as well, so patently knows nothing at all.  All platitudes and self back patting yuk.  They should at least get a professional in there.

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Mrs BAR was in fact a professional reporter on Sky Sports.

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5 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

Mrs BAR was in fact a professional reporter on Sky Sports.

really...should go back to the day job then:)  

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BAR  will not have any problem coming back the AC 36. In terms of sponsors and support, they already have a good story to tell. They won the ACWS. In the Qualifiers, they outperformed their boat speed, winning races against supposedly faster boats.

if they get knocked out by TNZ......then IMO either TNZ or Artemis will be the challenger. To be knocked out by either the eventual challenger or to have taken both qualifying races from the challenger will not mitigate Ben Hur's disappointment from not being the challenger but it will give the business folks in Ben's team a good platform for the next round of funding. 

They are on the map as serious contenders, who with a competitive boat can take this thing.

IMO, TSJ and France have a potentially more difficult task ahead of them convincing sponsors that they can be credible contenders. 

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In terms of changes for the next round.

1. i guess that Ben will stay skipper. He is incredibly fit and uniquely competitive. He either helms or does tactics. In #36, cyclists will make the tactician role less physical. But any helm will have to be extraordinarily gifted to supplement Ben. Burling is probably the only AC helm who could step into those shoes, but I doubt TNZ lets Burling go free agent. Although a tactician/helm combo of Ainslie/Burling would have no problem raising money.

2. Ben might have to be flexible about the team name to secure lead sponsorship. I am sure "Ainslie" will stay in the name but it might be enjoined with a sponsor name. If Tata group steps up in a huge way, they might want to see the team called ALR , Ainslie Land Rover or something.......and that is okay. 

3. Design team needs to be taken to the next level. BAR got out-designed.

 

 

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Oh and 

4. GBR has some of the best Olympic cyclists on the planet. Expect to see a career path for UK Olympic cyclists into the well paid world of AC.

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46 minutes ago, Mambo Kings said:

In terms of changes for the next round.

 

2. Ben might have to be flexible about the team name to secure lead sponsorship. I am sure "Ainslie" will stay in the name but it might be enjoined with a sponsor name. If Tata group steps up in a huge way, they might want to see the team called ALR , Ainslie Land Rover or something.......and that is okay. 

Um, the name is already Land Rover BAR....

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3 hours ago, GBH said:

What dire and cringeworthy 'reporting' from Mrs BAR, and should keep Whitmatsh off camera as well, so patently knows nothing at all.  All platitudes and self back patting yuk.  They should at least get a professional in there.

 

She and Mr F1 would be getting trolled mercilessly - if they had anything to do with NZ.

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8 minutes ago, nav said:

 

She and Mr F1 would be getting trolled mercilessly - if they had anything to do with NZ.

You have no worries - certain of your compatriots have been doing that endless (and tedioiusly) already.

Of course if they were to do with NZ, those very same people would be protesting about how they were wonderful and no-one should dare criticise them

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Scenario 1: despite their pre-declared intent to participate in multiple AC contests and the massive investment in personnel, research and infrastructure they become so disenchanted with legal manoeuvring and bad-faith that they withdraw and shut down after one attempt!

Scenario 2: Billionaire playboy decides he wants to 'play AC' as well, so using Daddy's money recruits Ben, Giles, Paul, David and Nick to sail for um....say Ireland?

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UPI Breaking NEWS

From the UK Theresa Mary May has in recognition of the BAR performance matched only by a UK team in the 1st America's Cup

Has made Ben the First America's Cup racer to have a UK Town Blessed with his name, having picked one in County of Kent

From this point on Kent shall be the proud home of

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ready ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ben DOVER

 

 

yer welcome ;) 

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8 minutes ago, enigmatically said:

You have no worries - certain of your compatriots have been doing that endless (and tedioiusly) already.

Of course if they were to do with NZ, those very same people would be protesting about how they were wonderful and no-one should dare criticise them

the nepotism, the letters, the babies, the dogs, 'My husband', all pretty cringe worthy in this context - no matter where it's coming from?

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23 minutes ago, nav said:

Scenario 2: Billionaire playboy decides he wants to 'play AC' as well, so using Daddy's money recruits Ben, Giles, Paul, David and Nick to sail for um....say Ireland?

It turns out that the country a challenge comes from has some importance. Several of those guys had offers from other teams this time round. One of them was asked to name his price, and afterwards commented, "even I was surprised by the $number I said to @#&@!$."

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9 minutes ago, nav said:

the nepotism, the letters, the babies, the dogs, 'My husband', all pretty cringe worthy in this context - no matter where it's coming from?

Frankly I couldn't give a shit. I wouldn't see the need to critcise themn if they were Kiwi, I don't feel the need to defend them because they are British. 

I just thought it worth pointing out that there are trolls from all sides. 

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14 minutes ago, nav said:

Scenario 1: despite their pre-declared intent to participate in multiple AC contests and the massive investment in personnel, research and infrastructure they become so disenchanted with legal manoeuvring and bad-faith that they withdraw and shut down after one attempt!

Scenario 2: Billionaire playboy decides he wants to 'play AC' as well, so using Daddy's money recruits Ben, Giles, Paul, David and Nick to sail for um....say Ireland?

Scenario 1 I reckon from past experience with Pom Rock backers.   They will all finally realize they've been well and truly kippered and paid out quite serious dosh to assorted team members to what end?   

One problem is that BA himself hardly projects the charisma required to be a figurehead so promoting him as the brand is a tough call, past results don't really count to the great unwashed.   No disrespect to him but he's just not that sort of person and you struggle to find anyone in the team that is, and Whitmarsh doesn't do it either.  He was no replacement for Ron Dennis at Maclaren in PR terms - either need to be loved or hated as the bad boy, but this corporatespeak culture is plain dull.   Endless macho arms folded photo posing and thats it ffs!

Not a unique problem though to BAR, see it everywhere these days.

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35 minutes ago, GBH said:

One problem is that BA himself hardly projects the charisma required to be a figurehead

 

Talk to a few non-sailing Brits and you might be surprised on that one. Pretty much everyone has heard of him and he projects the kind of slightly reserved upper-middle-class confidence you might like from your doctor or solicitor.

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5 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

 

Talk to a few non-sailing Brits and you might be surprised on that one. Pretty much everyone has heard of him and he projects the kind of slightly reserved upper-middle-class confidence you might like from your doctor or solicitor.

Exactly, and apart from Ellen MacArrthur you have to go back a fair while to find any other sailor that impinged on the consciousness of joe public . 

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13 minutes ago, enigmatically said:

Exactly, and apart from Ellen MacArrthur you have to go back a fair while to find any other sailor that impinged on the consciousness of joe public . 

Even' all.

Chichester, Nelson, Raleigh, may be. Ben did pick Nelson as one of his dinner guests on Desert Island Discs.

Don't matter RYS has no chance against RNZYS, come on ETNZ.

Now just to start things off,

 

 

Ka mate, ka mate! ka ora! ka ora!

Ka mate! ka mate! ka ora! ka ora!

Tēnei te tangata pūhuruhuru

Nāna nei i tiki mai whakawhiti te rā

Ā, upane! ka upane!

Ā, upane, ka upane, whiti te ra!

 

Hope the sun does shine.

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21 minutes ago, laser 173312 said:

Even' all.

Chichester, Nelson, Raleigh, may be. Ben did pick Nelson as one of his dinner guests on Desert Island Discs.

 

But would Nelson pick Ben?   Nope, he'd probably go for MrsBen though:)

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This has been a real disaster so far for BAR. Why do I get the feeling he will ram ETNZ in another accident before losing in straight sets

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Well done ENTZ, their clearly doing a great job and the boat looks dynamite which is a massive achievement given that they developed it away from the others.

 

Come on BAR, Ben, CJ et al, you can bounce back.

 

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Right team UK. Stop dicking around. Just like the Lions in NZ we want a good contest.  Kia Kaha. Like rugby games we kiwis still fully expect to win. This is our national passion(s)  

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100% agree above.  In my wildest dreams I'd like to see a UK team as a winner of a challenger series in Auckland.... but then, I really am ahead of myself :)  Whatever, I don't think many of us want to see this team go down only because of gear breakages.

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