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press conference just finished... that was a bit of a non event...

 

 

what do you mean a "non-event"

 

Kate was there - and she had on a nice dress!

 

 

hang on - wasn't she at Team NZ a few months ago?

 

She gets around abit! She must like multi's

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Love the front page, accurate as ever

 

4 world Titles. Err, look again, lets try 10.

 

Sir... Err, look again, oh never mind

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it's all over the lunchtime radio news here (and not just in the sports round-up)- if they wanted to build up home grown support then playing ball with Auntie was probably a smart move.

 

That's damn good PR, don't forget we've got 11 overpaid idiots kicking a bit of cow around a field in Brazil fairly soon....

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New video introducing the team, including shots/comments of Kramers.

 

Only bummer, I had hoped they would not use the name "BAR". Not thrilled with any AC team focusing on the name of one guy. I would think, particularly for England, that would be a bit annoying. But, I guess not so much more so than a company name, so . . . . .

 

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Kramers is a bigger deal than Adrian Newbury. AN will be good for testing of assumptions/moonshots, but Kramers has been around the block!

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Just saw they got Kramers. If they get all the money, which he should just turn and ask Kate, they are going to be good. If NZ does decide not to enter I could see a few guys going over there.

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Just saw they got Kramers. If they get all the money, which he should just turn and ask Kate, they are going to be good. If NZ does decide not to enter I could see a few guys going over there.

It's not going to happen. ETNZ will be there and not just to make up the numbers either.

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New video introducing the team, including shots/comments of Kramers.

 

Only bummer, I had hoped they would not use the name "BAR". Not thrilled with any AC team focusing on the name of one guy. I would think, particularly for England, that would be a bit annoying. But, I guess not so much more so than a company name, so . . . . .

 

What I would find even more annoying would be I my countries team would name themselves after a foreign country.

How fucked up would that be?

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Might as well be BA Racing. With his name recognition in the UK it's probably the most valuable name they could think of.

 

Huge press coverage today, wow. Kate being their helped enormously but then it's to his credit that she attended.

 

Edit: have to add that she looked pretty damn good; first time I've watched more than a few seconds of her; and her body language was endearing to Ben far more so than towards the ever-interfering SKM :)

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Kramers is indeed a great signup.

 

Does anyone have the sailors BA listed as first up? I saw Jono MacBeth as Sailing Team Director but below that is there any fast-boat, apparent-wind experience on the roster?

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from a link seen at SButt

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Technical Director and two-time Americas Cup winner Andy Claughton (GBR) will lead the design team. Initial signings include six-time Americas Cup winners Dirk Kramers (NED/USA) and four times winner Clay Oliver (USA). Designer and performance optimisation expert Jason Ker (GBR); Aero and Hydrodynamics specialist Rodrigo Azcueta (ARG); Hydrofoiling Catamaran specialist (and Americas Cup winner with BMW Oracle for the 33rd Americas Cup) Benjamin Muyl (FRA) are already on board.

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he Sailing Team Manager will be the highly experienced New Zealander and three-times Americas Cup winner, Jono Macbeth who sailed with Ainslie in both the 2007 and 2013 Americas Cups. Other signings at this early stage include Britains David Carr and Nick Hutton who both raced with Luna Rossa in the 34th Americas Cup, Andy McLean (NZL) who was part of the Artemis Racing team in 2013 and former World Match Race Champion, Matt Cornwell (GBR). The rest of the management team is made up of James Stagg, who takes the role of Shore Team Manager; Andy Hindley has joined as Chief Operating Officer, a position he also held with the Americas Cup Race Management organisation for the event in San Francisco; Ainslies long-term Commercial Manager, Jo Grindley heads up the Commercial, Marketing, Communications and Events teams.

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from a link seen at SButt

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Technical Director and two-time Americas Cup winner Andy Claughton (GBR) will lead the design team. Initial signings include six-time Americas Cup winners Dirk Kramers (NED/USA) and four times winner Clay Oliver (USA). Designer and performance optimisation expert Jason Ker (GBR); Aero and Hydrodynamics specialist Rodrigo Azcueta (ARG); Hydrofoiling Catamaran specialist (and Americas Cup winner with BMW Oracle for the 33rd Americas Cup) Benjamin Muyl (FRA) are already on board.

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he Sailing Team Manager will be the highly experienced New Zealander and three-times Americas Cup winner, Jono Macbeth who sailed with Ainslie in both the 2007 and 2013 Americas Cups. Other signings at this early stage include Britains David Carr and Nick Hutton who both raced with Luna Rossa in the 34th Americas Cup, Andy McLean (NZL) who was part of the Artemis Racing team in 2013 and former World Match Race Champion, Matt Cornwell (GBR). The rest of the management team is made up of James Stagg, who takes the role of Shore Team Manager; Andy Hindley has joined as Chief Operating Officer, a position he also held with the Americas Cup Race Management organisation for the event in San Francisco; Ainslies long-term Commercial Manager, Jo Grindley heads up the Commercial, Marketing, Communications and Events teams.

A talented lineup for sure.

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Only bummer, I had hoped they would not use the name "BAR". Not thrilled with any AC team focusing on the name of one guy. I would think, particularly for England, that would be a bit annoying.

 

I don't "speak for England" but I'm not annoyed by that. Why would I be?

 

At that point Sir Charles Dunstone, Sir Keith Mills and Chris Bake were working behind the scenes to help build a group of private investors in the team. And without their passion for the project there is no way we would be where we are now. Since then they have been joined by Lord Irvine Laidlaw, Ian Taylor, Jon Wood and Peter Dubens as further investors in the team. Also, Lord Michael Grade and Robert Elliot

 

Interesting and well-connected collection, several of whom are major contributors to Conservative Party coffers, not always without controversy. Well, links between the Cup and right-wing donors are nothing new.

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Only bummer, I had hoped they would not use the name "BAR". Not thrilled with any AC team focusing on the name of one guy. I would think, particularly for England, that would be a bit annoying.

 

I don't "speak for England" but I'm not annoyed by that. Why would I be?

 

At that point Sir Charles Dunstone, Sir Keith Mills and Chris Bake were working behind the scenes to help build a group of private investors in the team. And without their passion for the project there is no way we would be where we are now. Since then they have been joined by Lord Irvine Laidlaw, Ian Taylor, Jon Wood and Peter Dubens as further investors in the team. Also, Lord Michael Grade and Robert Elliot

 

Interesting and well-connected collection, several of whom are major contributors to Conservative Party coffers, not always without controversy. Well, links between the Cup and right-wing donors are nothing new.

Well. Yachting is perceived as an elitist sport, so no... no real surprises there.

 

They sound like a bunch of enthusiastic and well connected people who will get the job done. Good job, BA.

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Shame that Ian Percy isn't onboard for this UK entry but a strong lineup nonetheless, maybe I should plan a trip to Portsmouth next year :)

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Kramers is a bigger deal than Adrian Newbury. AN will be good for testing of assumptions/moonshots, but Kramers has been around the block!

 

So Russ/Lazza didn't want him or the other way around?

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RYS going to be the challenging club! didnt see that one coming!

Me neither. What happened to the Royal Cornwall?

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I never thought it would be the Royal Cornwall but the new-money links of the Royal Thames would have seemed a more obvious choice than the ultra-establishment RYS. Maybe in this case the royal links to RYS made a difference.

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^ In terms of hosting an AC - which UK YC makes the most sense IYO?

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^ In terms of hosting an AC - which UK YC makes the most sense IYO?

Good question. Probably not Cowes when you think about the logistics involved.

 

But from a 'spiritual home' perspective, definitely RYC.

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Kramers is a bigger deal than Adrian Newbury. AN will be good for testing of assumptions/moonshots, but Kramers has been around the block!

 

So Russ/Lazza didn't want him or the other way around?

 

Dirk is the most valuable designer in the America's Cup, bar none. If he is no longer with Oracle it's either because Russell didn't have the common sense to keep him or he didn't want to stay. He will be a major asset for Ben's team.

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^ In terms of hosting an AC - which UK YC makes the most sense IYO?

 

Wrong question, the YC wouldn't have much to do with the logistics.

 

Royal Cornwall is (amazingly enough) in Cornwall and 5-6 hours from London. No local airport. I grew up in Cornwall and it felt like a long, long way from everywhere. Still does.

 

Royal Yacht Squadon (RYS) has a prominent club-house at Cowes overlooking the Solent. It is a working club that runs some major events. It is also ultra-establishment with a more than nominal connection to the Royals.

 

Royal Thames has a large club-house in a posh part of London and many members with a City (finance industry) connection. Despite the location, it is probably more active as a racing club than the RYS.

 

I know members of both, have visited both quite often. Never have been or will be a member of either. FWIW I probably find the RYS the friendlier of the two.

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I never thought it would be the Royal Cornwall but the new-money links of the Royal Thames would have seemed a more obvious choice than the ultra-establishment RYS. Maybe in this case the royal links to RYS made a difference.

 

Does open the enticing prospect of racing around the Isle of Wight for the cup, again...

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AC62s in the overfalls off St Catherine's Point? I'm not too sure about that.

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AC62s in the overfalls off St Catherine's Point? I'm not too sure about that.

Or through Hurst!

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Kramers is a bigger deal than Adrian Newbury. AN will be good for testing of assumptions/moonshots, but Kramers has been around the block!

So Russ/Lazza didn't want him or the other way around?

Dirk is the most valuable designer in the America's Cup, bar none. If he is no longer with Oracle it's either because Russell didn't have the common sense to keep him or he didn't want to stay. He will be a major asset for Ben's team.

Kramers was on the losing side of AC33 wasn't he? I think OR will survive without him.

 

WetHog

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From above, "Technical Director and two-time Americas Cup winner Andy Claughton (GBR) will lead the design team."

 

Have Andy and Dirk worked together before? Someone must have pressed hard to get Dirk.

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New video introducing the team, including shots/comments of Kramers.

 

Only bummer, I had hoped they would not use the name "BAR". Not thrilled with any AC team focusing on the name of one guy. I would think, particularly for England, that would be a bit annoying. But, I guess not so much more so than a company name, so . . . . .

 

 

It could of been worse. ;)

 

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WetHog :ph34r:

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Kramers is a bigger deal than Adrian Newbury. AN will be good for testing of assumptions/moonshots, but Kramers has been around the block!

So Russ/Lazza didn't want him or the other way around?

Dirk is the most valuable designer in the America's Cup, bar none. If he is no longer with Oracle it's either because Russell didn't have the common sense to keep him or he didn't want to stay. He will be a major asset for Ben's team.

Kramers was on the losing side of AC33 wasn't he? I think OR will survive without him.

 

WetHog

 

And he led the design team for the winning side of AC34.

 

Keep up.

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press conference just finished... that was a bit of a non event...

 

 

what do you mean a "non-event"

 

Kate was there - and she had on a nice dress!

 

 

hang on - wasn't she at Team NZ a few months ago?

 

She gets around abit! She must like multi's

 

Whoever feels this was a non- event doesn't know the meaning of EVENT!

 

The event looked very British and looked awesome and having Kate involved just classes up the EVENT even more! Ben will do what Mills was unable to do, get to the starting line against the Royal Golden Gate Yacht Club on SF Bay where the AC 35 will be held. And you know Ben had eyes on the Dutchess the entire time... could make for some great English newspaper stories about the two.

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Portsmouth City Council = Joint requester for funding + also Planning Authority

 

Conditional planning is granted. Knock me down with a feather.

 

I don't know if/when we know if central government funding is approved. Bet it is.

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RYS going to be the challenging club! didnt see that one coming!

Me neither. What happened to the Royal Cornwall?

 

Not sure when he became a memeber of the RYS. It maybe a recent thing.

You can't be a figurehead of a club if you are not a member of it. So Royal Cornwall made sense as he has been a member there for years.

 

I think it is interesting the the RYS will be running this under the guise of Yacht Squadron Racing. I suppose it keeps the reprobates out of the castle and in the pavilion at the back where they belong..

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Who hosted the event in 1851?

 

I think the 100 Guinea Cup was held by the Royal Yacht Squandron

 

 

 

The Brits are big on tradition - I mean they still have queens and princesses and stuff like that!

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Who hosted the event in 1851?

 

I think the 100 Guinea Cup was held by the Royal Yacht Squandron

 

 

 

The Brits are big on tradition - I mean they still have queens and princesses and stuff like that!

Hmmm. So does NZL, as it happens.

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Who hosted the event in 1851?

 

I think the 100 Guinea Cup was held by the Royal Yacht Squandron

 

 

 

The Brits are big on tradition - I mean they still have queens and princesses and stuff like that!

Apparently Queen Vicky was not amused when told "there is no second, ma'am", in the 100 Guinea Cup.

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And he led the design team for the winning side of AC34.

 

Keep up.

 

Kramers led the design team for AC34? Thanks Capt. Obvious.

 

I am well aware of Kramer's roll during AC34, my point was that OR designed, built, tested, raced and won AC33 with a pretty impressive multi-hull without the help of Kramers. They will make do without him for AC35.

 

Or are you suggesting the building and development of the DoGy pales in comparison to designing AC72's?

 

I didn't think so.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Or are you suggesting the building and development of the DoGy pales in comparison to designing AC72's?

 

I didn't think so.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

I would suggest exactly that. Designing to a rule is a very different game from designing a boat that only has a max waterline and beam. There is also the matter of budgets, which were no doubt a lot bigger for the DOG boat and then there was the testing timescale - look how often they were able to change the boat before they got it "right". Designing the 72 was far harder.

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I am pretty certain Keith and Charles are members... so it was only a matter of time before he was 'invited' and not blackballed by the committee...

 

As for the Yacht Squadron Racing - definitely got to be to keep them in the pavilion and off the platform :lol: but more seriously it also probably limits the liability to the other memebers of RYS should anything 'go wrong' :ph34r:

 

 


RYS going to be the challenging club! didnt see that one coming!


Me neither. What happened to the Royal Cornwall?

 

Not sure when he became a memeber of the RYS. It maybe a recent thing.

You can't be a figurehead of a club if you are not a member of it. So Royal Cornwall made sense as he has been a member there for years.

 

I think it is interesting the the RYS will be running this under the guise of Yacht Squadron Racing. I suppose it keeps the reprobates out of the castle and in the pavilion at the back where they belong..

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It's looking pretty good at this stage. Well done, BAR.

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As for the Yacht Squadron Racing - definitely got to be to keep them in the pavilion and off the platform :lol:

The pavilion is nice, the changing rooms are fragrant and there is none of this bringing your own towel for sailing nonsense. Soft towels, very soft towels indeed. Yes, for the aspirational middle classes, the pavilion is a pleasant place to while away an afternoon, a temporary glimpse of heaven. And irony aside, the RYS does provide a warm welcome for those to whom it extends the invitation.

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Indeed. am sure looking forward to my next invite again when they host the swan europeans next july... great hosts!

 

As for the Yacht Squadron Racing - definitely got to be to keep them in the pavilion and off the platform :lol:

The pavilion is nice, the changing rooms are fragrant and there is none of this bringing your own towel for sailing nonsense. Soft towels, very soft towels indeed. Yes, for the aspirational middle classes, the pavilion is a pleasant place to while away an afternoon, a temporary glimpse of heaven. And irony aside, the RYS does provide a warm welcome for those to whom it extends the invitation.

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I am pretty certain Keith and Charles are members... so it was only a matter of time before he was 'invited' and not blackballed by the committee...

 

As for the Yacht Squadron Racing - definitely got to be to keep them in the pavilion and off the platform :lol: but more seriously it also probably limits the liability to the other memebers of RYS should anything 'go wrong' :ph34r:

 

 

 

RYS going to be the challenging club! didnt see that one coming!

Me neither. What happened to the Royal Cornwall?

 

Not sure when he became a memeber of the RYS. It maybe a recent thing.

You can't be a figurehead of a club if you are not a member of it. So Royal Cornwall made sense as he has been a member there for years.

 

I think it is interesting the the RYS will be running this under the guise of Yacht Squadron Racing. I suppose it keeps the reprobates out of the castle and in the pavilion at the back where they belong..

 

Dunstone is, Mills isn't (yet), but is on the list. Waiting for dead men's shoes.

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RYS going to be the challenging club! didnt see that one coming!

Me neither. What happened to the Royal Cornwall?

 

Not sure when he became a memeber of the RYS. It maybe a recent thing.

You can't be a figurehead of a club if you are not a member of it. So Royal Cornwall made sense as he has been a member there for years.

 

I think it is interesting the the RYS will be running this under the guise of Yacht Squadron Racing. I suppose it keeps the reprobates out of the castle and in the pavilion at the back where they belong..

 

Limits the exposure of the club to liability.

 

Quandary for the RYS. Endorse anarchy, or not?

 

Looks like they chose endorsement.

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It's a nice place . . . Do they still make women use a separate staircase?

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RYS, is a great place in a fantastic position. Full of tradition and history. They have always made me welcome. Haven't been to NYYC in Newport but have been to the on in NY, equally impressive.

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Pity the South West has poor transport links, the ACWS in Plymouth was a great event, most of the sailors said it was a great place to sail too, marry that with a natural amphitheatre where thousands can watch then add in a large, virtually empty Naval Base and you have the perfect place. Guess the reality is that its just too far from London and the money men.

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Some humor from latitude 38:

 

Unsuccessfully campaigning for the Americas Cup has been a part of English culture since losing the very first Cup on their home waters back in 1851. The English having been effectively the Buffalo Bills of Americas Cup competition for the better part of two centuries, the desire to win the Cup strikes a chord in the heart of every English sailing fan after sixteen unsuccessful challenges.

 

http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2014-06-16#Story2

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Perhaps the can run an event on the Thames in London between the bridges....:-D ..Current will be a major factor though!

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It's a nice place . . . Do they still make women use a separate staircase?

I certainly hope so .

 

Give them an inch and the next thing they will want is the vote !

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They've just got it. The Squadron has just voted to allow women members. Don't know if anyone has been asked yet. Bets are on the Princess Royal (Princess Anne - President of the RYA, amongst other things) being the first.

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I remember visiting the Cornwall YC in Falmouth a long time ago, from what I can remember it was a very snobby posh affair.

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At least there has been no Protocol complaint.......................

Well, not publicly anyway.

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from http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/news/hundreds-voice-support-for-sir-ben-ainslie-s-plan-for-a-portsmouth-base-1-6124305

 

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SIR Ben Ainslie was met with a huge applause as he outlined the vision for his Americas Cup base in Portsmouth.

 

 

Hundreds of people turned out at Portsmouth Cathedral last night as they listened to his plans for the headquarters at the Camber Dock.

 

...

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby, really do not know how they still survive. The real issue is that its these clubs that the public think we all belong to, if they knew the reality then the perceptions would be wholly different.

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby, really do not know how they still survive. The real issue is that its these clubs that the public think we all belong to, if they knew the reality then the perceptions would be wholly different.

I wouldn't call Royal Port Nicholson Yacht club 'posh' or 'snobby'.

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby

Royal Southampton

Royal Corinthian (Cowes)

 

How do the other survive - because they've facilities nobody else has (e.g. Royal Southern) and because a significant number of people like the "reefer jacket and tie" scene. I'm not one of them.

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby, really do not know how they still survive. The real issue is that its these clubs that the public think we all belong to, if they knew the reality then the perceptions would be wholly different.

Royal Cork

 

This isn't going very well is it.

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby, really do not know how they still survive. The real issue is that its these clubs that the public think we all belong to, if they knew the reality then the perceptions would be wholly different.

Royal Cork

 

This isn't going very well is it.

Not going very well at all :) Royal Victoria, Royal Solent, Royal Dart, Royal Fowey, Royal Southern - it's not the 'Royal' that makes a place unwelcoming.

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby, really do not know how they still survive. The real issue is that its these clubs that the public think we all belong to, if they knew the reality then the perceptions would be wholly different.

Royal Norfolk and Suffolk YC - Although Russ is retired now, he was probably the best known barman on the east coast

 

Jon

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at http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1428145.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_06_28

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MINISTERS are preparing to invest up to £8m to boost Britains attempt to win the Americas Cup for the first time, and bring the prestigious sailing competition back to the UK after more than 150 years.

Looks like BA, like GD, is about to sell his soul to the devil (taxpayer funding) too.

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True, but this is only a quarter of the govt commitment that we'll likely see repeated in NZ, out of a much smaller economy.

 

Am keen to see if JPM is going to be that title sponsor. Hard to imagine but it's possible there's an even bigger brand name commitment in play.

 

An Artemis headliner would get pretty confusing :)

It's at least possible, they promote a lot in sailing.

http://www.artemisoffshoreacademy.com/about/view/artemis_and_sailing

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_(fund_managers)

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Got me, that's true. Half of NZ's commitment.

The thing is, I don't think you can sell only HALF your soul to the devil.

 

The price will have to be paid regardless - that dreaded public accountability; where every whinging fuckwit in the country will want to moan about their tax dollars being wasted on a rich man's sport.

 

UNLESS he wins of course!!!!!! Go BA.

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I probably wouldn't ever give any thought to New Zealand were they not arguably the strongest overall AC winner and contender for the past 20 years.

 

That sailing/technology/drive/passion and visibility arguably matters to opinions in sailing circles that are obviously far larger than mine. From even my little view the NZ investment is a very good idea.

 

The place is even on my want-to-visit list, it's a good image.

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I remember visiting the Cornwall YC in Falmouth a long time ago, from what I can remember it was a very snobby posh affair.

 

Its a nice club with a bit of an old world feel but I wouldn't call it Snobby or posh.

Generally very welcoming, except when all the grey hairs are in there having lunch on weekdays...then I feel out of place.

I have been a member for around ten years.

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I wonder how much they've spent on their football team, probably more than this £7.5, the ROI can't be any worse than that though.

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Show me a Royal Club that is not posh or snobby

Royal Southampton

Royal Corinthian (Cowes)

 

How do the other survive - because they've facilities nobody else has (e.g. Royal Southern) and because a significant number of people like the "reefer jacket and tie" scene. I'm not one of them.

Royal Vancouver Yacht Club is not snobby - they let me in which is proof in itself.

Royal Corinthian - definitely posh and snobby. I remember a big event there about 28 years ago, and there were no Ladies loos.

Staff got a bit stroppy when I blocked the door to let the Mother-in-Law and my wife use the bog. They told me I couldn't do that, but the family were sponsoring the event at the Club I told them to go forth and multiply … :)

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Royal Corinthian - definitely posh and snobby. I remember a big event there about 28 years ago, and there were no Ladies loos.

Too drunk to find them I guess.

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Or are you suggesting the building and development of the DoGy pales in comparison to designing AC72's?

 

I didn't think so.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

I would suggest exactly that. Designing to a rule is a very different game from designing a boat that only has a max waterline and beam. There is also the matter of budgets, which were no doubt a lot bigger for the DOG boat and then there was the testing timescale - look how often they were able to change the boat before they got it "right". Designing the 72 was far harder.

I am not going to get in a debate on this subject because I am not a sailor and I know nothing about boat design, but I have eyes that see and I can't see that designing the DoGy pales in comparison to designing an AC72. I'll concede designing an AC72 might be harder (LR couldn't do it), but is way harder than the designing the DoGy and her huge wing? I say no.

 

I believe the start of this discussion was the loss of Kramers by OR. I said initially OR designed the DoGy without him so they would be ok. I still believe that, although his loss will be a challenge to replace.

 

WetHog

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I've never found the Royal Corinthian snobby. Just a place for a drink with a nice view. We had my brother-in-law's stag do there, although while raucous, that didn't give me any clues as to the accessibility of the ladies' toilets.

 

Chuffed about Ben's progress but do have to say that the Camber is quite a pretty and historical part of old Portsmouth and I'm not sure the architecture hugely fits in. No doubt they will come up with a solution as these are just initial drawings and completely different to the initial pictures.

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UK taxpayers to fund America's Cup campaign

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PUBLIC MONEY: Sir Ben Ainslie's British America's Cup syndicate will benefit from a contribution from taxpayers.

The British government has committed $14.6million in public funding for Sir Ben Ainslie's 2017 America's Cup campaign.

The taxpayer backing has been confirmed by Prime Minister David Cameron, who said the British tilt at the Cup will "deliver a real sporting and economic boost to the UK" and is initially anticipated to create 90 jobs.

 

etc..... http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/10224338/UK-taxpayers-to-fund-Americas-Cup-campaign

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"Portsmouth - one of the UK's prime shipping, passenger and naval ports."

 

More fine research from Kiwi journalists.

 

Naval, OK. Passenger: #3 behind Dover (which has more passengers than all other UK ports put together) and Holyhead. Shipping, no, Portsmouth handles <2% of UK freight and less than a tenth of the tonnage of nearby Southampton.

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Going, going and nearly gone. At time of writing the old structure is down and the contractors putting the materials into neat piles.

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The design for Ben's base is impressive,

 

 

but I am a bit concerned about what his design team are up to. Either they are on to something clever, mounting the wing backwards on the boat, or else the IGES file for the wing has got corrupted somewhere along the line.

 

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It's as pretty as it is ridiculous. A tent would work as well for his AC needs - but of course he is being all altruistic (with other peoples money) and says it will be a youth sailing centre as well. ADM?

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The view from the spice island will get even more entertaining watching the ac45s and 62's dodge the spinning ferries trying to reverse park!

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Definitly nice job Ben :) Good Luck for the next few years. Please bring back the Cup home :)

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PCJ hired (source: FV)

 

Btw, the Aug issue of SH carries a - mildly jingoistic - piece on BAR, and Grant Simmer confirms he "was very, very close to going with Ben".

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... BARs bid to bring the Cup back home to British waters.

 

Uh? That's so passé ..

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... BARs bid to bring the Cup back home to British waters.

Uh? That's so passé ..

 

 

remind me again when it was last in British waters?

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... BARs bid to bring the Cup back home to British waters.

Uh? That's so passé ..

 

 

remind me again when it was last in British waters?

They've never won it. Lost it originally in 1851 and has never been seen there again.

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<sigh> I meant the idea of winning the Cup and bringing it to one's home waters would seem to be out of fashion ..

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<sigh> I meant the idea of winning the Cup and bringing it to one's home waters would seem to be out of fashion ..

I don't think it's that old fashioned. There are more than a handful of Kiwis who would like to see the Cup returned to home waters.

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<sigh> I meant the idea of winning the Cup and bringing it to one's home waters would seem to be out of fashion ..

I don't think it's that old fashioned. There are more than a handful of Kiwis who would like to see the Cup returned to home waters.
England?

 

Oh, wait.. :)

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