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^ Curiouser and curiouser?

 

Building what by the way?

Dumb and dumber you mean. They should have go for Multiplast.

http://www.multiplast.eu/fr/

And subtiltling... It's about the builder of the multihulls for ac35.

If team UK will follow team Prada, it will certainly end in a lesser boat then team Prada has.

But it is about the wing design anyway.. Who is going to build the wings?

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BAR don't actually need that money right now and seem to be in the enviable position of having people queuing at the door.

If you are insinuating that they are taking their pick from sponsors with 50 million pounds I would say you're taking the piss

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Ben Ainslie Racing report from Bermuda

The Ben Ainslie Racing Team have been sailing all week in Bermuda - the team have been learning lots about the venue, the wind direction and the wave states in their 20-foot foiling training boats. Ben Ainslie Tweeted: "Awesome weeks training with the boys here in Bermuda. Great to learn the conditions and hit 35 mph."

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http://www.sailweb.co.uk/Americas%20Cup/24295/ben-ainslie-racing-report-from-bermuda

 

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Doesn't actually say that Branson will be writing a cheque.

If he does, I'll eat my hat.

Pics or it didn't happen.

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Remember the days when a pic like ^ would be immediately labeled as a photoshopped stunt. So awesome!

Now even weekend warriors fly their A cats. Gotta say - looks like fun.

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Remember the days when a pic like ^ would be immediately labeled as a photoshopped stunt. So awesome!

Now even weekend warriors fly their A cats. Gotta say - looks like fun.

What is does 11th hour racing mean? Barking Mad?

I found their website: http://11thhourracing.org/index.php

Company statement: 11th hour racing, a program of Schmidt Family foundation, seeks to mobilize the sailing and marine industry to create systematic change for the improved health of our oceans.

Sounds vague to me. I liked the Argo float project in the Barcelona Round the world race.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(oceanography)

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Wonder if they'll do the Pompey Perisher - don't know if it still runs but many 'fun' day there during my time in the days of hand made wet suits.

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^

 

Last run in 2002 I believe.

 

Dinghy sailing in the UK in January and February was never my idea of a good time.

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Southampton apprentices to build sustainable boat for Ben Ainslie Racing

11 Feb 2015

Today, Ben Ainslie Racing announced a new project with City College Southampton to build two specialised docking ribs. The boats will be built by apprentices trained by the college under the supervision of Darren Patten at the College's Marine Skills Centre.

The docking rib has been developed from those used at the 34th America's Cup to help berth the huge, foiling multihulls. The ribs have a highly innovative design, powered by a centrally positioned outboard that can be rotated through 360 degrees to push the boat in any direction. This makes them very manoeuvrable, an important asset when they are used to move the AC45 and AC62 America's Cup boats into their berths.

 

cont... http://www.mysailing.com.au/news/southampton-apprentices-to-build-sustainable-boat-for-ben-ainslie-racing

 

and... http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/181279/Sustainable-boat-for-Ben-Ainslie-Racing

 

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Is Ben focusing on the right things?

 

Your concern is touching.

 

The business case for the funding pot that part-paid for the centre under construction included links to the various maritime education institutions around the Solent. So, box ticked.

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Southampton apprentices to build sustainable boat for Ben Ainslie Racing

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Is Ben focusing on the right things?

 

Focussed? It's a five second, one brain decision. "We're going to need some boats to manoeuvre the beast around, like those ones the Kiwis had last time. Farm it out to a suitable technical college. There must be a suitable mould floating around somewhere. Oh, and get the PR dept involved."

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Suppose they could be negotiating for an AC qualifier series and having HRH host it equals good PR. Perhaps not Portsmouth as not sure AC62's would get on with Red Funnel, hovercraft, HMS thinghies and all the other stuff floating and not so floating around. HISC bar anyone.

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Suppose they could be negotiating for an AC qualifier series and having HRH host it equals good PR.

Oh yeah? Where would you be planning to put all the team bases then? Since a new building was needed for just one.

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More high profile support for BAR and the ACWS Portsmouth - helped of course by Portsmouth South being a target seat for the Conservatives and UKIP after the shameful behaviour of the barely standing MP. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/business/local-business/david-cameron-ben-ainslie-s-race-base-will-be-an-enormous-draw-for-portsmouth-1-6586014

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Suppose they could be negotiating for an AC qualifier series and having HRH host it equals good PR.

Oh yeah? Where would you be planning to put all the team bases then? Since a new building was needed for just one.

 

Langstone

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Really. Given that most of the shore is either already build upon or a nature reserve. And the harbour is mud for half the tidal cycle.

 

However the idea of the glamorous world of international yachting descending on stinky, muddy and not infrequently sewage-polluted Langstone harbour is fairly amusing.

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Really. Given that most of the shore is either already build upon or a nature reserve. And the harbour is mud for half the tidal cycle.

 

However the idea of the glamorous world of international yachting descending on stinky, muddy and not infrequently sewage-polluted Langstone harbour is fairly amusing.

Don't dismiss so lightly. I've had some of my best racing experiences getting my Contender under that bridge in a breeze and all that sodding stinking mud in the centerboard slot, in the Harken bearings, inside my wetsuit and yet another round the bleeding island race. F--kme I was so keen I even did it in a windsurfer with 500 others and there's nothing quite like hitting mud at 30knots then chundering up your breakfast on it. Every AC pro should do it.

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More high profile support for BAR ..

I'm impressed. At this point, lower profile but tangible support has got to be forthcoming, no?

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I've windsurfed round Hayling multiple times actually and 100s of hours mis-spent windsurfing there. Still do sometimes. We ran a windsurfing regatta there donkeys years ago and most of the participants got gastroenteritis. Locals didn't - we were already immune or perhaps we had developed a reflex not to swallow the water. Water quality is better now but the well-informed still don't sail there after heavy rain.

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More high profile support for BAR ..

I'm impressed. At this point, lower profile but tangible support has got to be forthcoming, no?

 

There is ZERO chance of BAR foundering through lack of support. This is a well resourced team with big and growing support - tangible and otherwise.

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Jono Macbeth says at 2:48 in the video about Bar in Bermuda:

 

"One thing we have learnt is that the race track is pretty small,

It is gonna be tight, It's gonna be a lot of manoeuvering."

 

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The great sound race track is roughle 3000 X 3000 metres

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While the 34th America's cup in Los Angeles was roughly 7000 by 3000 Yards

(is 6400 by 2700 metres)

 

Lets say two times the racetrack of Bermuda is the race track of Los Angeles.

 

Yep that's tight, and a lot of manoeuvering. There will be a lot of action.

Nice for television and audience to look at.

 

 

 

 

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Jono Macbeth says at 2:48 in the video about Bar in Bermuda:

 

"One thing we have learnt is that the race track is pretty small,

It is gonna be tight, It's gonna be a lot of manoeuvering."

The great sound race track is roughle 3000 X 3000 metres

 

While the 34th America's cup in Los Angeles was roughly 7000 by 3000 Yards

(is 6400 by 2700 metres)

 

Lets say two times the racetrack of Bermuda is the race track of Los Angeles.

 

Yep that's tight, and a lot of manoeuvering. There will be a lot of action.

Nice for television and audience to look at.

 

 

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disregarding depths for a moment isn't it more like 3000 x 6000m if they can/want to use it.

Dredging is planned - though mostly around Docklands IIRC, it's deeper further into the sound anyway

 

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Let's get it right. It is "Dockyard", not Docklands or whatever else people can come up with.

 

With a SW/NE breeze usable W/L space I reckon will be 4600M, and at the narrowest point between Burgess Point and Pearl Island it will be constricted to about 1800M.

With a NW/SE breeze access W/L length could be able 3300M.

 

Either way, it will be tight and staying on foils during any maneuver will be key, because they will have to do them often.

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Ah some local interest, great. Sorry about the Docklands slip.

A question if I may: In the revised video the graphic appears to show the finish right in front of the yet to be built island in the South Basin at Dockyard. Right on top of one of the shallowest parts of the Sound. Do you know about the dredging plans. Does this finish seem feasible? And once they are up that far, whats to stop them extending further north?

Any chance you can plot you courses and post 'em? :)

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I am wondering how all the teams are going to fit during training.

 

Or is it just BAR and OR moving in early?

 

Was interesting watching OR and Artemis pal around today...

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Same as SF, we've grabbed the good spots - the rest of you are on your own.

 

SOP

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some audio links

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Today, Thursday 26th February, saw the America's Cup World Series organiser Team Origin explain to a gathering of local business people, the opportunities the event will bring to the city. There was also an update on the progress of the BAR headquarters construction.

 

http://www.shapingportsmouth.co.uk/shaping-blog/616-team-origin-on-the-opportunities-the-america-s-cup-will-bring-to-the-city-interviews

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Hope we'll get Artemis vs BAR in the Challenger Finals 2017 :)

Team France vs BAR.

Gammas and Desjoyeaux against Ben Ainslie.

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Hope we'll get Artemis vs BAR in the Challenger Finals 2017 :)

Team France vs BAR.

Gammas and Desjoyeaux against Ben Ainslie.

 

That would be fantastic, n'est-ce-pas.

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Hope we'll get Artemis vs BAR in the Challenger Finals 2017 :)

 

Team France vs BAR.

Gammas and Desjoyeaux against Ben Ainslie.

That would be fantastic, n'est-ce-pas.

 

A Girl Meets a friend:"My Husband Buys Me jewelry!"."Fantastic!"."We Change Car Each year!"."Fantastic!"."We Always Go to parties!"."Fantastic!"."And What Are YOU doing?"."I Attend a Course of behaviour.They Teach Us to tell Fantastic! instead of Bullshit

 

:D

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^ Wondered too, am guessing a 'real' T this time.

 

 

Nice ink for Artemis here, posting in this thread since it's UK focussed.

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Iain Percy, Trustee of the Andrew Simpson Sailing Foundation, flew in from his Artemis America's Cup team base in San Francisco to attend the annual RYA Suzuki Dinghy Show and to present a cheque from the Foundation for Twenty Three Thousand Pounds (£23,000) to James Conway, Treasurer of the National Schools Sailing Association.

 

The money is one of the first major grants made by the Foundation and will be used by the NSSA to fund school aged children, up to the age of 18, to participate in training programmes, regattas and instructor courses throughout the country.

 

The money will also fund training, race management and safety courses for volunteers of all ages across the country who currently work with the NSSA to develop youth sailing.

 

Iain Percy is one of the founders of the Andrew Simpson Sailing Foundation which was set up in memory of his long term sailing partner and fellow Olympian, Andrew Simpson who died in 2013.

 

The NSSA is a UK organisation which has been a springboard for a number of Olympic sailors, including Olympic gold medallist, Paul Goodison. Concentrating on an inclusive sailing and social experience for sailors of all abilities, it aims to engage young people as sailors for life.

 

ctd: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/181560/Iain-Percy-hands-over-cheque-to-NSSA

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Hope we'll get Artemis vs BAR in the Challenger Finals 2017 :)

Team France vs BAR.

Gammas and Desjoyeaux against Ben Ainslie.

That would be fantastic, n'est-ce-pas.

 

A Girl Meets a friend:"My Husband Buys Me jewelry!"."Fantastic!"."We Change Car Each year!"."Fantastic!"."We Always Go to parties!"."Fantastic!"."And What Are YOU doing?"."I Attend a Course of behaviour.They Teach Us to tell Fantastic! instead of Bullshit

 

:D

 

^ Fantastic story my friend.

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^ SKM is sick. The whole tenor of that from the headline on is wrong.

Mills > Ainslie.

BA just a 'bloody good sailor'. Whatever else might be achieved now - will be because of SKM

BA and the Duchess as the window dressing for SK's efforts!

 

He failed miserably in his attempt at the AC, now he is going to ride BA's effort as long and hard as he can.

He's full of it, '2 years of AC' - when it is neither.

'500,000 visitors' - $$$$ nom nom

'Ben needs to be financed and managed to be successful'. So if he does well it's all because of SKM, if he fails no doubt it will be because of poor sailing or design.

He's even trying to set himself up at the head of the inevitable 'British AC 'governance' once we have won it we can transform it.

Yeh, "Mill's Vision"!

 

Back in your box, moocher... sure BA needs management skills in the team - not egomaniacs

 

And Ben you better wrest back control of your syndicate and your PR, if it's not already too late.

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It's clear now - all kiwi sailors sacked - replaced by rugby players

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'Ben needs to be financed and managed to be successful'.

It's conventional when putting something in quotes for it to be what was actually said. However what he in fact said was:

 

“What Ben needs is a great team around him, he needs to be properly financed and the whole team needs to be really well managed."

 

About the only complaint that could be made about that remark is that it's a statement of the bleeding obvious.

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'Ben needs to be financed and managed to be successful'.

It's conventional when putting something in quotes for it to be what was actually said. However what he in fact said was:

 

“What Ben needs is a great team around him, he needs to be properly financed and the whole team needs to be really well managed."

 

About the only complaint that could be made about that remark is that it's a statement of the bleeding obvious.

 

 

Why don't you quote the rest of what I argued and address it. If you agree with SKM taking over and telling the world what BA needs to be 'successful' - then fair enough.

 

But the language used makes it 100% clear as to how SKM sees (and would like the world to see) the value of and roles being played by each of the '2 peers'. Pretty bloody insulting to be honest.

 

Sad day for BA when it's come to this - but the writing has been on the wall for a few months now. I wonder if the 'collaboration' (that's not intended to be a quote by the way :blink: ) has been willingly taken on, or was effectively forced upon BAR.

 

(but since it's not getting beaten up in the press I guess the subject of this teams 'governance' and the Moocher's vision for the long and glorious future of 'Great Britian's Cup', will be of little interest around here)

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Why don't you quote the rest of what I argued and address it.

Because it starts with the dishonest premise of putting words into somebody else's mouth to strengthen your case.

 

Same as PH does to various people all the time, myself included. He just cannot resist twisting what others have actually said to fit an overall agenda.

 

If you want to behave the same as PH, suit yourself. I'll call it out when I feel so inclined, same as I call him out.

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See above - can you see from your high horse? Speech marks not always intended as a quote - those are normally blue!

Paraphrasing, heard of it.

 

Anyway - it seems you are happy that all is well within the Realm. (or you are unable to parse what this privileged old guy is doing)

 

I have to admit someone (SKM?) has certainly got off their butt and started the ball rolling for the ACWS. Let's hope it's all for the right reasons and they don't over-sell themselves.

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Going for gold in my new field.

 

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Get a job in sales - good commissions offered

And my new boss says I'm a hero!

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http://acws-portsmouth.americascup.com/en/about_the_boat.html

 

Gennaker, wing extension! ;)

 

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The AC45f has the following specifications:

  • Build: honeycomb core & carbon fibre sandwich
  • Length: 13.45m (44.1ft)
  • Beam: 6.90m (22.6ft)
  • Weight: 1,290–1,320kg (2,840–2,910 lb)
  • Maximum draught : 2.7m (8ft 10in)
  • Rig height: 21.5m (71ft) without extension, 25.5 m (84ft) with extension
  • Wing: 20m (66ft) 83.5m2 (899sq ft) wing element with three slotted flaps
  • Extension: 4m (13ft) high, 8.7m2 (94sq ft) area
  • Jib area: 48 m2 (520 sq ft), manufactured by a sail loft of team's choice
  • Gennaker area: 125 m2 (1,350 sq ft), manufactured by a sail loft of team's choice
  • Builders: Core Builders (NZ), Cookson Boats (NZ)

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Huh. Would anyone use the gennaker? Maybe in a drifter with no foiling. Isn't this just a copy and paste of the "old" 45's specs?

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It's clear now - all kiwi sailors sacked - replaced by rugby players

Imagine the ruck at the top mark!

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British America's Cup team develop 3D sailing simulator

Without cutting edge design and engineering, no one wins the America's Cup. In pursuit of their goal, the British America's Cup team, based in Portsmouth, has developed their own sophisticated 3D sailing simulator, modelled on those used by the world of motorsport.

 

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/News/24487/british-americas-cup-team-develop-3d-sailing-simulator

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It is possible to simulate a flying plane, is it possible for a flying foiler ? we have much more interactions and much less experience.

If the simulator doesn't represent correctly the reality it could be more harmful than helpful by creating wrong reflexes.

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'Portsmouth Goes Wild'

IN just 48 hours 50,000 tickets to the biggest sporting spectacle Portsmouth has ever seen have been snapped up.

http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/news/portsmouth-goes-wild-to-bag-tickets-for-america-s-cup-1-6614973

wow thats great ... we don't have that many people in the whole of the Bay Of Islands ! .. I didn't think that Poms liked sailing that much

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^ They like 'free'....

10,000 free tickets for locals - these and 40,000 paid for tickets gone in two days.

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'Portsmouth Goes Wild'

IN just 48 hours 50,000 tickets to the biggest sporting spectacle Portsmouth has ever seen have been snapped up.

http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/news/portsmouth-goes-wild-to-bag-tickets-for-america-s-cup-1-6614973

wow thats great ... we don't have that many people in the whole of the Bay Of Islands ! .. I didn't think that Poms liked sailing that much

 

 

 

Its normally not that big but since they were winning the last AC with Ben Ainslies team it is now very big. :rolleyes:

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'Portsmouth Goes Wild'

IN just 48 hours 50,000 tickets to the biggest sporting spectacle Portsmouth has ever seen have been snapped up.

http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/news/portsmouth-goes-wild-to-bag-tickets-for-america-s-cup-1-6614973

wow thats great ... we don't have that many people in the whole of the Bay Of Islands ! .. I didn't think that Poms liked sailing that much

 

You forget that Portsmouth is on the Solent, the home of English yachting and it wouldn't surprise me if there is close to that many boats around the area. I'm probably wrong with that figure, but there are thousands of boats in the area. Portsmouth is also not far from London by road or train.

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^ They like 'free'....

 

You have to make a certain effort to get them. Not that much but some. Took me 10 minutes to get two free tickets.

 

I do wonder to what extent tickets have been obtained by touts, which is a whole blood-sucking industry. You can get tickets for any big event if you are prepared to pay a few multiples of the ticket price.

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^ They like 'free'....

10,000 free tickets for locals - these and 40,000 paid for tickets gone in two days.

 

 

Well, strictly speaking there are also free tickets for non-residents as well and it doesn't give the free/paid-for split. Being a cheap-skate I've gone for free. Didn't pay for Olympic tickets @Weymouth either and got just as good a view as those who did.

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