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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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WetHog

America's Cup History 1983-2013

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While responding to post with inaccurate information about the '95 Australia Challenge being the last Challenge by Australia since now (Young Australia in Ac30 was the actual last challenge from the real down under) I found this great website that covers the history of the AC from 1983 to 2013. So to avoid hijacking the Confirmed COR thread with the cool boat renderings I found on this site I figured to start a new thread showing the cool boat renderings on this site. http://www.americas-cup-history.at/english/index.htm

 

Here are a couple to start. AC winners since '83:

 

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WetHog :ph34r:

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AC winning boat renderings continued:

 

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WetHog :ph34r:

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AC winning boat renderings concluded:

 

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WetHog :ph34r:

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This website is great. It has a run down of all AC cycles since '83, including LVC and Defender trial information. It even has renderings and info for the ACWS and the Red Bull Youth Series:

 

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WetHog :ph34r:

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Its a fabulous site. Available in both English and German. Information on who made the site appears to be in German only, and I don't speak that language. But K. Urtz 2013 shows up at the bottom of every page and below the renderings so K. Urtz is responsible for this fabulous site.

 

So if you are a AC fan like me, and you love looking back on the history of the AC since '83 this site is pretty good. As I said above it provides info on every AC cycle since '83. Including LVC and Defender information and renderings of every challenging boat. It even has a rendering and information on the Blue Arrow boat from '88:

 

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Very detailed. Accept for the AC34 finals, but I hope it will be updated shortly.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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It even has renderings of some famous keel paint jobs:

 

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SUI-64 Keel from AC31

 

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NZL-92 Keel from AC32

 

Love this site.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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How about Tom Blackaller's "R-1" for '87 in Freo?

 

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Sorry for spamming this stuff in here. Then again that's why I started my own thread on it. ;)

 

Any way, I could go on all night with the renderings on this site. Once again, if you love AC history check this site out. A lot of cool shit on there:

 

http://www.americas-cup-history.at/english/index.htm

 

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Ok one last one from me, and one my Kiwi fans will like.

 

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Cool looking boat.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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I didn't know GBR-78 had a tandem keel.

 

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My vote for the best looking IACC boat ever:

 

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Love that blue. To bad the team was a dud.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Its a fabulous site. Available in both English and German. Information on who made the site appears to be in German only, and I don't speak that language. But K. Urtz 2013 shows up at the bottom of every page and below the renderings so K. Urtz is responsible for this fabulous site.

 

So if you are a AC fan like me, and you love looking back on the history of the AC since '83 this site is pretty good. As I said above it provides info on every AC cycle since '83. Including LVC and Defender information and renderings of every challenging boat. It even has a rendering and information on the Blue Arrow boat from '88:

 

68saya.jpg

 

Very detailed. Accept for the AC34 finals, but I hope it will be updated shortly.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

I remember an IMAX movie called "Wind" or something showing the Blue Arrow sailing and eventually breaking apart. Am I remembering that right?

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Interesting to see the fin and bulb on the 12m, and I never quite realised how ugly those IACC boats were under the water.

 

Good find, thanks for sharing.

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Interesting to see the fin and bulb on the 12m, and I never quite realised how ugly those IACC boats were under the water.

 

Good find, thanks for sharing.

You've got to take some of those images with a grain of salt. Stars & Stripes US 55, for example didn't look anything like that profile.

 

You are right though, once the designers of the IACCs found the fast corner of the design box, the boats became increasingly ugly.

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Interesting to see the fin and bulb on the 12m, and I never quite realised how ugly those IACC boats were under the water.

 

Good find, thanks for sharing.

You've got to take some of those images with a grain of salt. Stars & Stripes US 55, for example didn't look anything like that profile.

 

You are right though, once the designers of the IACCs found the fast corner of the design box, the boats became increasingly ugly.

 

All true...

 

However, it does now beg the question...

 

Ugly to whom? :huh:

 

Yes, to most of us...

 

Butt, the water seemed to like those ugly girls just fine. ;)

 

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Forgot to say thanks for posting this Hoggy!!!

 

Much appreciated!

 

Although, I must say that I am somewhat embarrassed that I don't recall Blue Arrow.

 

Have to get on that Google machine and find out..

 

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aren't all sail numbers on the starboard side supposed to be above those on the port side? if so:

 

us 55 spinnaker is attached incorrectly.

nzl 20 mainsail - wrong

gbr 78 mainsail - wrong

 

....oh, and by the way, geronimo, from wind had cool streamers off the backstay - not in this image-wrong

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Great stuff-thanks!

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Blue Arrow wasn't in wind or the Cup-but was intended as a Cup boat.

 

Pictures of Blue Arrow-from Scuttlebutt:

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Great stuff-thanks!

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Blue Arrow wasn't in wind or the Cup-but was intended as a Cup boat.

 

Pictures of Blue Arrow-from Scuttlebutt:

I was talking about an IMAX film. I tried to find the film but had no luck. It is called 'Race the Wind' from 1989. It is a documentary. Included Blue Arrow. I just can't remember if it showed the crash. I think it did. Seeing this film in '90 was the first I had heard of Blue Arrow. A long way from today when we find out something while it is happening. Nice pics. Too bad Fay was afraid of it.

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Its a fabulous site. Available in both English and German. Information on who made the site appears to be in German only, and I don't speak that language. But K. Urtz 2013 shows up at the bottom of every page and below the renderings so K. Urtz is responsible for this fabulous site.

 

 

WetHog :ph34r:

fantastic site. I'm guessing that he's actually austrian, since the web address is .at (and they speak german there too)

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Its a fabulous site. Available in both English and German. Information on who made the site appears to be in German only, and I don't speak that language. But K. Urtz 2013 shows up at the bottom of every page and below the renderings so K. Urtz is responsible for this fabulous site.

 

 

WetHog :ph34r:

fantastic site. I'm guessing that he's actually austrian, since the web address is .at (and they speak german there too)

I am sure you are right. I was just going by the German flag with "Deutsch" under it to change the language of the site.

 

And I've been to Austria, fabulous place. Well when I say "been" it was a 10 minute visit on the way to Neuschwanstein Castle. Parents crossed the border so we could say we went to Austria.

 

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I think the scale is off a little, making the boats look a little fat.

 

And in big breeze they used larger kites, in light air smaller, so they would fly better.

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While responding to post with inaccurate information about the '95 Australia Challenge being the last Challenge by Australia since now (Young Australia in Ac30 was the actual last challenge from the real down under) I found this great website that covers the history of the AC from 1983 to 2013. So to avoid hijacking the Confirmed COR thread with the cool boat renderings I found on this site I figured to start a new thread showing the cool boat renderings on this site. http://www.americas-cup-history.at/english/index.htm

 

Here are a couple to start. AC winners since '83:

 

1819p4.jpg

 

2i055z6.jpg

 

n16w7a.jpg

 

r1k9b7.jpg

 

Cont.

 

WetHog :ph34r:

Many many thanks WetHog for this address .

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How about these apples?

 

not strictly renderings but perhaps even better (to own at least!)

 

they're from the Blue Water Black Magic exhibition at the Auckland Maritime Museum. I have a bunch of photos from it that I'll eventually put up here! including some very porno shots of NZL-32's underwear ;)

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I am surprised nobody mentioned Francois Chevalier's renderings, who has spent four years in and out of the NYYC between 1983 and 1987 to measure defender half hulls and in his spare time chased all challengers, and he has been doing it ever since. His books are also extremely well annotated (Americas Cup Yacht Design 1851-1986 ; The Louis Vuitton Cup 1983-2013) and are regarded as reference works.

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We've certainly profiled FC and his work a few times on the front page. Has he updated his portfolio with AC34?

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A lecture coming up on the 17th, seen here and elsewhere

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The America's Cup yacht races were, and still are, the most prestigious and costly international sporting events in the world. With a history extending back over 160 years, the America's Cup reached its height in the late 1800s - the era of J.P. Morgan, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and Sir Thomas Lipton.

Until that time, American yachts in the competition had been crewed by professional sailors from Europe. But in the winter of 1895, emissaries from the New York Yacht Club traveled more than 450 miles by train and steamboat to remote Deer Isle, Maine to recruit an all-Yankee crew. That small fishing town sent nearly forty of its best sailors to New York to sail Defender, and in a difficult and controversial series they defeated the best Great Britain's aristocrats could muster.

In 1899, the club again sent word to the island that it needed yet another crew to sail against the first of Sir Thomas Lipton's Shamrocks, and Deer Isle sent their best men back to New York. Sailing Columbia they once again swept the series.

This is the story of these crews who sailed the big, and for their era, high-tech America's Cup cutters in the late 1800s. Deer Isle's Undefeated America's Cup Crews is based on research at Harvard's Widener Library, at the Deer Isle-Stonington Historical Society, the Penobscot Marine Museum in Searsport, Maine, the Herreshoff Marine Museum in Bristol, RI, Mystic Seaport in Mystic, CT and at the New York Yacht Club itself.

With exciting narrative, new insights based on previously unpublished archival material, and 70 beautiful photographs, Deer Isle's Undefeated America's Cup Crews finally gives the humble heroes from a downeast island the credit they earned so long ago.

This is our annual Carlton Pinheiro Lecture in honor of our former curator.

Thursday October 17th
Doors at 6pm. Lecture at 7pm.

Members $7
Nonmembers $15

Register Online or call the Museum to make a reservation: 401.253.5000.

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by Herreshoff Marine Museum

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