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3 hours ago, bugger said:

My reading of Cyrillic is poor, but the home port of the boat looks like St Petersburg.  

Interesting graveyard of boats.... surprised they aren't busted up for scrap.  

So..... where is it?  

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near Kama Reservoir (Zaoszerskaya shipyards, near Perm
Read more at http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2012/07/streamlined-soviet-passenger-hydrofoils.html#LsaxWe5dqK0wpypG.99

 

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3 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Piqued my interest so, I see you can get 3000hp here. http://marineturbine.com/turbine-powered-workboats/

and up to 4000hp in a FF boat at 10,600 gpm that's a monster

For nearly 100 years (1909-2003) the 123' Seattle fire boat Duwamish was said to be the most powerful in the world at 22,800 GPM, yeah, us rookies had to memorize that.  Don't know the HP but it had surplus WWII tank engines as a replacement for its original steam engine(s?).  It was the first National Historic Ship registered in the country.  It now is now sitting in the Historic Ships Wharf in South Lake Union (Seattle) Marine Park.  Kind of a semi Zombie row but they are cool boats.  Duwamish is in ok shape but in need of tax deductible donations of money and labor by those who love old boats.  Is has 82" diameter propellors, cool.  As a rookie I was tasked with inspecting the bilges every Sunday morning, (I'd lose track of time sometimes when exploring its innards).

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Boeing used to test hydro foils on Lake Washington in the 1950s and early 60's.  The huge "hull" was powered by a jet engine on a gantry structure 10 or 20 feet above the deck.  Made a lot of noise and drew a lot of us kids to the water to marvel at it as it "flew" by at who knows how many knots, 50 maybe???  

That wreck on the Columbia would be cool to poke around in sometime.

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On 9/18/2019 at 11:57 AM, eric1207 said:

For nearly 100 years (1909-2003) the 123' Seattle fire boat Duwamish was said to be the most powerful in the world at 22,800 GPM, yeah, us rookies had to memorize that.  Don't know the HP but it had surplus WWII tank engines as a replacement for its original steam engine(s?).  It was the first National Historic Ship registered in the country.  It now is now sitting in the Historic Ships Wharf in South Lake Union (Seattle) Marine Park.  Kind of a semi Zombie row but they are cool boats.  Duwamish is in ok shape but in need of tax deductible donations of money and labor by those who love old boats.  Is has 82" diameter propellors, cool.  As a rookie I was tasked with inspecting the bilges every Sunday morning, (I'd lose track of time sometimes when exploring its innards).

Thanks for the link. I will have to see that one day. That is great you were working aboard it.

When I was in Victoria I visited the Fire hall with the old steam engine pump that was pulled by horses. The retired ff told me it could make 750 gpm, which is impressive. It still works too, they had it working in the parking lot of Capital Iron, in Victoria. Not as impressive as the Duwamish however. Even back in the day, with her original steam power she is mighty impressive. Seattle Fireboat Duwamish | Website

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Glad you enjoyed the link Norse.  Though I'm a sailor I enjoy big old engine rooms.  The Duwamish was retired in ~1984 and kept in the huge Army Corps of Engineers boat house on the north side of the locks just as you exit into the Lk Washington Ship Canal.  The boat house is still there.  The boat remained in a semi operational, very reserve, very back up status for a number years when I was a rookie.  Weekly bilge inspection from my nearby fire station was important as the fireboat guys downtown did not visit it that often.  About 10 or 15 years ago the volunteers at the Historic Wharf brought it out to Lk Washington and gave a damned impressive display just for giggles.  The old girl still had it in her.   One thing I enjoyed on my weekly sojourn was looking at all the beautiful wood patterns (molds) lining the walls of the engine room.  They were used for sand casting the many parts, large and small ,of the giant pumps.  And if needed to use again for replacement parts.  It was fun to imagine how they all went together.  

My previous post mentioned the boats at the Historic Wharf as semi zombies.  That was just a wink toward relevance to this thread.  No disrespect intended.  Really they are all very cool but some are tired as there is not much money or volunteers for upkeep.  Wood and steel 100 year old boats are hard to keep alive.  The exception is the last of the once numerous Steam Mosquito Fleet; the Virginia V.  Newbies call her Virginia 5 but those who grew up watching her cruise around Puget Sound and Lake Washington in the 1960's know her as the Virginia Vee.   She has had a recent full restoration and has a full schedule of tourist and private cruises.  Yeah!  She has a wonderful steam whistle that brings out the smiles as she cruises by.  Hopefully the other vessels at the port will follow that route and not the fate of the 165' schooner Wawona which languished nearby for decades of hope upon hope that volunteers could out pace the rate of decay, for a full restoration.  They (we) lost.  RIB Wawona.

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I always though SWATHS were cooler than the foilers.

 

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21 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I always though SWATHS were cooler than the foilers.

 

Back in the 90s a friend of mine had invested in a ferry service to Key West (A&B Marina) from Fort Myers, and if memory serves, also either Tarpon Springs or New Port Richey.   He was trying to position the company to take advantage of when Fidel Castro was going on to his next socialist paradise, resulting in the opening up of Cuba.   The vessel was a pretty good sized SWATH.   They had run aground so many times up in Tarpon Springs, resulting in getting fresh wheels installed, that they dropped that leg and only ran out of Fort Myers.

Needless to say, Fidel outlasted the company, which shut down and then sold the route to another group.

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30+ years ago I recall the admirals of the big grey boats saying SWATH was the future.  Having a stable platform for fighting was considered essential. 

New Navy ships are usually pretty unstable as the drive to put more and more electronic junk up as high as possible while installing lightweight turbine engines down below.  My gawd, many of those boats almost roll over in a heavy dew.  (Of course that is sarcastic.)

Not to drift this thread, but anyone know why SWATH never caught on with the big grey boat crowd?  

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  The main disadvantages to the SWATH hull form are that they have a deeper draft than catamarans and mono-hulled ships. Furthermore, SWATH vessels can use up to 80% more power than an equivalent catamaran because of increased hull surface and more friction. The SWATH design gives exceptional stability in high seas.

Apparently they are highly sensitive to loading as well.

The smooth ride and big deck space are their main advantages - not enough benefit for a grey boat.

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While in the village of Milatos, in Crete, I ran across this curvaceous, but worn-out fishing boat. I don't think the Vaitses method was used. The last photo is what it may have resembled in its early days.

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Excellent. Med zombies.

Like the continuous scupper on the first pic.

Hark, a bollard in the last pic...

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Bull,

Alan never saw a boat that he couldn’t ‘glass up! 
 

great pics...

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Speaking of curvaceous things in Greece, here's what I had for lunch just before taking those pics. Orgasmic!

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6 hours ago, Bull City said:

Speaking of curvaceous things in Greece, here's what I had for lunch just before taking those pics. Orgasmic!

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Nothing like a real Gyro and frites! Hungry now.

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On 9/25/2019 at 10:45 AM, SloopJonB said:

  The main disadvantages to the SWATH hull form are that they have a deeper draft than catamarans and mono-hulled ships. Furthermore, SWATH vessels can use up to 80% more power than an equivalent catamaran because of increased hull surface and more friction. The SWATH design gives exceptional stability in high seas.

Apparently they are highly sensitive to loading as well.

The smooth ride and big deck space are their main advantages - not enough benefit for a grey boat.

This is probably also one of those situations where the vessel doesn't scale well, as the large deck space doesn't translate into being able to carry loads you would want to put on that much deck space. You probably need to to be displacing the majority of the surface area of the the deck to be useful, which is why aircraft carriers and container ships are monohulls. 

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16 hours ago, Israel Hands said:
23 hours ago, Bull City said:

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Nothing like a real Gyro and frites! Hungry now.

And almost as healthy as a handful of NC barbecue!

Very cool boat pics, BC. Thanks

FB- Doug

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3 hours ago, Whinging Pom said:

Looks like budgie and chips 

Looks like someone got a mouthful of napkin to boot.

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35 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Looks like someone got a mouthful of napkin to boot.

Actually I did not. 

The trick is don't let go of the gyro. This means you have to drink your beer with your non-eating hand, in my case, the left. A 500 ml mug can get heavy, especially on a warm, Mediterranean day, and especially if it's the second one.

NISM? (Need I say more?)

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Zombies need brains, not chips.

Yummy lunch though...  Caloric loading aside.

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^^ Great find! Makes "marine consignment" look like West Marine. I will try to avoid it. There is a similar establishment on NC Highway 55, a few miles before Oriental. I may be passing it later today. If I do, I'll take some pics.

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54 minutes ago, Bull City said:

^^ Great find! Makes "marine consignment" look like West Marine. I will try to avoid it. There is a similar establishment on NC Highway 55, a few miles before Oriental. I may be passing it later today. If I do, I'll take some pics.

I know the place but haven't stopped there for fear of never finding my way out.

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1 hour ago, SecondWindNC said:

I know the place but haven't stopped there for fear of never finding my way out.

The proprietress also owns a property listed on AirBNB in Oriental. Don't stay there.

During my "H-Boat Renovation Project," I made the mistake of booking it for a few days. I got the key, and went to drop off my bag. On my way to the door, a gigantic, snarling, barking dog, with huge sharp teeth came out of nowhere and lunged at me. I was only saved by a flimsy fence. It scared the shit out of me. I went back to my car, drove to "the place," explained what happened, and despite assurances that Cerberus was a nice little doggie, returned the key, requested and received a full refund.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

The proprietress also owns a property listed on AirBNB in Oriental. Don't stay there.

During my "H-Boat Renovation Project," I made the mistake of booking it for a few days. I got the key, and went to drop off my bag. On my way to the door, a gigantic, snarling, barking dog, with huge sharp teeth came out of nowhere and lunged at me. I was only saved by a flimsy fence. It scared the shit out of me. I went back to my car, drove to "the place," explained what happened, and despite assurances that Cerberus was a nice little doggie, returned the key, requested and received a full refund.

Yikes! 

Cerberus likely was bred in Aurora, 20 miles to the north.  There, it is said, they eat muskrat, hunt ducks out of season, and occasionally steal Marine Fisheries boats for sport.

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On0/Dogballs/2019 at 11:19 AM, Norse Horse said:

Not the most vegetation we've seen in a zombie but certainly worth an honourable mention. If you guessed Florida you were correct.

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/d/jacksonville-derelict-project-boat/6989459162.html

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Free???  They should pay you to haul the thing off.

 But then again, I suppose there would be a market for the Ferns growing inside.  

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On 10/30/2019 at 11:01 PM, Windward said:

 

 

Kinda scary, but funny.

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Watched this boat moored for months, always anchored out in the same place.  It finally moved, moved to the weeds

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On0/Dogballs/2019 at 12:19 PM, Norse Horse said:

Not the most vegetation we've seen in a zombie but certainly worth an honourable mention. If you guessed Florida you were correct.

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/d/jacksonville-derelict-project-boat/6989459162.html

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A mobile fern nursery for Polypodiopsida on the go!

-Stumbling 

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3 hours ago, Pipe Dream said:

Posted in the mocking thread and I thought it belonged here too.

Just cut a door in the side and use it as a warehouse/storage hulk...

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- Stumbling

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5 hours ago, Pipe Dream said:

Posted in the mocking thread and I thought it belonged here too.

It would make a fine prison ship. Anyone having to serve thier sentence in this hulk, would keep to the straight and narrow forever after surviving in this hulk (assuming they survived) 

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19 tons - just for the empty shell? :blink:

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A corollary to the zombie fleet: The Ghost Fleet.

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People keep sending in their checks to pay rent on slips that they don't use.  Hence, seemingly vacant slips in full marinas.  Acknowledged that it's totally unfair to take such photos in the winter.  And my own slip has been ghosted for a season once or twice when I hauled the boat for "a quick project or two." But not year after year. 

It doesn't really bother me all that much. Now that I am no longer languishing on the waiting list, that is. And I actually benefit from having a double slip all to myself most of the time.  But I just received the annual notice of A. The inevitable rate increase and B. Additional clarifications of the rules.  It seems that we are now required to actually use our slips, for at least 90 days each year.  Slips left vacant will be rented out to someone else. :o  

Although I find it difficult to believe that anyone is actually going to be counting the days.  Except maybe a frustrated would-be boater on the waiting list... ^_^  

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I've been scanning some of my old slides, and I came across this. Probably taken sometime in the 70s, somewhere in New England. Mostly likely in RI or around Mystic.

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So the zombie thing is not a new phenomenon based on old glass boats? :D

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Zombies can be taken to a taxidermist and mounted. Bonus points if you know where it is.

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On 10/17/2019 at 9:06 AM, Bull City said:

Speaking of curvaceous things in Greece, here's what I had for lunch just before taking those pics. Orgasmic!

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Yeah, Greek food is getting Americanized.  That's why all my cousins in Greece are fighting a weight problem.

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On 10/16/2019 at 3:34 PM, Bull City said:

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You are making me daydream about retiring in Greece.  I need to get to the embassy with my father's birth info so that I can get on the registry and apply for citizenship.  My wife is eligible too through her grandparents.  I worry about the economic situation in Greece, but I am also worried about the political situation and random violence in the United States.  Having citizenship in an EU country seems like a good Plan B.

 

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2 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Zombies can be taken to a taxidermist and mounted. Bonus points if you know where it is.

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Looks like Gibsons or Sechelt or environs.

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50 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Looks like Gibsons or Sechelt or environs.

Is that a Tumlare?

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18 minutes ago, Bull City said:

Is that a Tumlare?

I think it's a Ford. Can't see enough to really tell.

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4 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Zombies can be taken to a taxidermist and mounted. Bonus points if you know where it is.

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This is Lund right? If not there is something in Lund just like this and I recall thinking of posting on this very thread when I was there in August.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

Is that a Tumlare?

I had to look that up.

I expect you are right. I have no idea of the history of it.

https://sailboatdata.com/storage/images/sailboat/drawing/tumlaren_drawing.jpg

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11 minutes ago, Foiling Optimist said:

This is Lund right? If not there is something in Lund just like this and I recall thinking of posting on this very thread when I was there in August.

Nope. But there are a few Fords there...

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Looks like Gibsons or Sechelt or environs.

No.

Environs, is that on Saltspring?:D

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18 minutes ago, Foiling Optimist said:

Wherever it is it involves successive waves of Scandinavian and Hippie settlers.

No, it's not Poulsbo...

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14 hours ago, Ishmael said:

I think it's a Ford. Can't see enough to really tell.

Could be a Subaru.

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1 hour ago, luminary said:

Winner.

Bull City; Winner.

Location is on Marine Drive, kitty corner to the Edwardian Legion building. There was yacht racing from Vancouver to Texada long ago.

Ford country...

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21 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Zombies can be taken to a taxidermist and mounted. Bonus points if you know where it is.

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Must be the missing half from the other thread.

 

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8 hours ago, ride2live said:

Must be the missing half from the other thread.

 

The Ford?

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On 12/1/2019 at 9:44 PM, Foiling Optimist said:
On 12/1/2019 at 4:53 PM, Norse Horse said:

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This is Lund right? If not there is something in Lund just like this and I recall thinking of posting on this very thread when I was there in August.

Why was it burnt before being mounted?

FB- Doug

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Why was it burnt before being mounted?

FB- Doug

Sun burnt? It faces west and cooks on that wall. Maybe they creosoted it. I will ask about it tomorrow at the heritage society, where I hang out with the old guys and hear some great stories.

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Zombie mass cull event.

8 boats in there.  3 dumpsters. 

I did get vhf radio, alcohol stove, 2 boat hooks,  spare tiller extension,  about 300' of GC 3/8 sheets and halyards, many fittings, 4 locking winch handles,  hand tools, and more before the event.  Kicking myself I forgot to get the furler off a 24' (Need a staysail furler for my Irwin 30.). It can wait another year or 2 until the next marina cleanout.

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This boat was a veritable Zombie in my home bay...preventing any boats from mooring or anchoring anywhere near for fear of being swept by her anchor swing Arc of Death!  She graced. —cursed is a better word— our waters for untold years, even after her old man owner died...sold to some dreamer...now available to you for the low, low price of...

Just keep this Zombie (she was formerly black, missing half her mizzenmast mast to rot, and very decrepit) away from me.  Repainted and refit - I don’t care: she’s fucking haunted!!

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/vancouver-staysail-schooner-sailboat/7012483441.html

 

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14 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

This boat was a veritable Zombie in my home bay...preventing any boats from mooring or anchoring anywhere near for fear of being swept by her anchor swing Arc of Death!  She graced. —cursed is a better word— our waters for untold years, even after her old man owner died...sold to some dreamer...now available to you for the low, low price of...

Just keep this Zombie (she was formerly black, missing half her mizzenmast mast to rot, and very decrepit) away from me.  Repainted and refit - I don’t care: she’s fucking haunted!!

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/vancouver-staysail-schooner-sailboat/7012483441.html

 

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I thought that bay gets swept by storms all winter?

Coming to a beach near you?

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Does a sunken boat count as a zombie?

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13 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Does a sunken boat count as a zombie?

Don't zombies sometime come out of graves?

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Only if it's paying moorage fees.  But... it looks as if the moorage sank as well.  Tough call...  More ghost than zombie, perhaps.  

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6 minutes ago, toddster said:

Only if it's paying moorage fees.  But... it looks as if the moorage sank as well.  Tough call...  More ghost than zombie, perhaps.  

I think a zombie really need to be at least partially afloat.

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Ratlines. decorative, functional or delusional?

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A low budget, cheap, crack heads interpretation of this maybe?

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On 12/18/2019 at 5:24 PM, Monkey Butler said:

Ratlines. decorative, functional or delusional?

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So what is it? I kind of like it.

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1 hour ago, Norse Horse said:

So what is it? I kind of like it.

I would have loved it when I was 10.

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On 12/18/2019 at 8:24 PM, Monkey Butler said:

Ratlines. decorative, functional or delusional?

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A low budget, cheap, crack heads interpretation of this maybe?

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7 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

So what is it? I kind of like it.

I don't know if I'd call it "like" but the first boat did catch my attention in its own funky sort of way. I doubt a professional designer was involved and seems more in the "studied 10,000 designs" category. In that case my immediate comparison was to the boat in the second picture, a Herreshoff Meadowlark.

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On 12/18/2019 at 3:00 PM, Ishmael said:

I think a zombie really need to be at least partially afloat.

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That's a Tanzer, it will still be floating when cockroaches rule the earth and we are long gone.

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3 minutes ago, steele said:

That's a Tanzer, it will still be floating when cockroaches rule the earth and we are long gone.

That's unfortunate. It could be worse, it could be a Grampian.

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