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JoeB

Painting a dry sail bottom

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I have a B25 I plan on painting this winter. It is dry sailed and in need of paint, top and bottom. I intend on spraying and do not have the equipment for a two part paint so i plan on using Interlux brightsides.

 

What is best for speed? should I paint and then apply McLube polish? Should I not apply anything but wetsand with 1000?

 

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I have a B25 I plan on painting this winter. It is dry sailed and in need of paint, top and bottom. I intend on spraying and do not have the equipment for a two part paint so i plan on using Interlux brightsides.

 

What is best for speed? should I paint and then apply McLube polish? Should I not apply anything but wetsand with 1000?

 

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Interlux VC 17m Extra Antifouling Paint

Interlux VC 17m Extra Antifouling Paint

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The advantage of dry sailing is less annual maintenance on the bottom and no paint buildup.

The disadvantage, other than cost, is keeping the bottom clean and fast between races.

I sail out of Naptown on a bigger boat with a Durepox bottom (zero antifouling properties). After a 3 day summer regatta, the bottom gets a little slimy/fuzzy.

Get something you can clean.

Also, the bay will stain most light colors brownish. The owner uses an acid solution to clean/whiten up the bottom after each race.

No free lunch, but it is less work than burnishing baltoplate every year

 

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Pettit easypoxy flows out better and lasts longer than bright side. Neither work underwater. Use Vivid below waterline. Bright colors and burnishable. Wetsands easy for slick bottom.

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Thanks all. I only want to do this once.

 

None of you said to go with McLube polish over the paint. Interesting.

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If you use brightside you will be doing this more than once. You could use performance epoxy, durepox or awl grip. Then polish with mclube or wax a few times a year if you really want to dork out.

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Then use a product that is made specifically for dry sailing and not some in-water-storage bottom paint. Durepox or VC performance epoxy are both great for this application

Thanks all. I only want to do this once.

 

None of you said to go with McLube polish over the paint. Interesting.

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If you only want to do this once, I wouldn't use a 1 part enamel like Brighsides or Easypoxy......Especially if you ramp launch.

 

If you're going to spray, why can't you use a 2part epoxy like Awlgrip 545?

100 x harder than an enamel and is formulated to be wet sanded....unlike a 1 part topcoat.

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Interlux used to have a dry sail paint called vc eco. No antifoul, hard finish and was said to stand up to abrasion due to trailer/cradles. Perfect for a melges or a j/70.

 

Not sure if it's still produced, or what's replaced it if not.

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Two part epoxies require a positive flow air feed as the fumes are toxic when spraying. A one part epoxy does not or I would buy Awlgrip. Spraying a two part epoxy with a $50 mask can kill you.

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