• Announcements

    • UnderDawg

      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

One eye Jack

NOAA.. No more paper charts

53 posts in this topic

Ahoy mateys! US to stop printing nautical charts

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer

Updated 12:04 pm, Tuesday, October 22, 2013

1

 

10

0

 

inShare

Larger | Smaller

Printable Version

Email This

Font

WASHINGTON (AP) The federal government is going into uncharted waters, deep-sixing the giant paper nautical charts that it has been printing for mariners for more than 150 years.

 

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Tuesday that the traditional brownish heavy paper charts won't be printed after mid-April.

 

Capt. Shep Smith, head of NOAA's marine chart division, said the agency will still chart the water for rocks, shipwrecks and dangers, but mariners will have to see the information using private on-demand printing, PDFs and electronic maps.

 

"Think of them as the roadmap of the ocean," said Smith, who grew up with charts of Penobscot Bay on his boyhood Maine bedroom walls. "The navigational charts tell you what's under the water, which is critical for navigation."

 

But now most people use the on-demand maps printed by private shops, which are more up-to-date and accurate, Smith said.

 

Still, NOAA sells about 60,000 of the old lithographic 4-by-3 foot maps each year, for about $20 apiece, the same price it costs to print them.

 

The trouble is that NOAA doesn't print them, but the Federal Aviation Administration does. And they don't want to anymore to save some money, Smith said. The FAA took over federal chart-making in 1999 and on Oct. 15 told NOAA it was going to stop the presses, according to the ocean agency.

 

It costs NOAA about $100 million a year to survey and chart the nation's waters and it will still spend the same money, but provide the information in the less traditional way.

 

Sea dogs say they'll miss the charts, which also get used as decorations.

 

"It's the nautical history, you know pirates and ships," said Newburyport, Mass., harbormaster Paul Hogg, who has a chart on his office wall. "It seems more nautical. There's just kind of, like, a feel to it."

 

___

 

Online:

 

NOAA: http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/paperchart.html

 

___

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Geological maps have been this way for some time now. You can buy the DVD, but if you want a paper copy, you have to take it to a shop with a large-format printer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Too bad, it suddenly just got more dangerous on the water...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Too bad, it suddenly just got more dangerous on the water...

 

Nah, most of the people on the water don't know how to read a chart anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Too bad, it suddenly just got more dangerous on the water...

 

Nah, most of the people on the water don't know how to read a chart anyway.

Most of the stupid people that are going to get into trouble don't know how to read a chart anyway!

Too bad for those of us that love our paper charts. I have an old one hanging up that has my grandfather's, my father's and my own dead reckoning pencil marks all over it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's fine with me. I prefer printing up throw away copies because I like to write all over them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I like to think there will be a market for paper charts well into the future.

...and wonder if one of the European companies like Imray will start producing US charts.

 

JAMES HARRIS

"Bella Barchetta"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My understanding is the NOAA won't be selling the charts - however, you will still be able to get NOAA paper charts from print-on-demand and other 3rd party NOAA chart vendors.

The big change is that NOAA won't be print them themselves...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe a dumb question.... Do the print-on-demand services print on the same kind of water repellant paper? I do most of my charting electronically (ipad w/ inavx and navionics), but plan to outfit myself with paper copies as backups. Since it's a backup, being able to cope w/ water is one of the key features I desire.

 

(Since I sail club owned boats, they're all required to have a chart on board, but I enjoy the consistency of using the same thing each time rather than figuring out which chart they have and how old it is).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NOAA hasn't printed charts in a long time - they turned that over to the FAA print shop some time back. But the FAA is shutting down the presses.

 

Long, long ago, I studied printing. Learned how to use all sorts of layout tools and printing processes which became totally obsolete by the time I got out of skool. The only place I ever see any of those machines is in junkyards. It almost, but not quite, makes me want to rescue them.

 

And just last week, I was in a large bookstore where a whole section of shelves has been removed to make room for the "on-demand printer." You buy the book and they print a copy for you right there. That is, if you are so old fashioned that you can't just read it on your phone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe a dumb question.... Do the print-on-demand services print on the same kind of water repellant paper? I do most of my charting electronically (ipad w/ inavx and navionics), but plan to outfit myself with paper copies as backups. Since it's a backup, being able to cope w/ water is one of the key features I desire.

 

(Since I sail club owned boats, they're all required to have a chart on board, but I enjoy the consistency of using the same thing each time rather than figuring out which chart they have and how old it is).

Yes. You can also order them laminated.

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/pod/POD.htm

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Luckily the UK Hydrographic Office is still planning to keep printing. They pretty well cover the globe, and since the RN did most of the initial surveys (and later ones too) they're accurate. Most editions are current, i.e. last 3 or 5 years. And the corrections are always available (and easily applicable if you have a purple pen.)

 

I use the SF Bay ones. They're good. Complete list:

 

http://www.ukho.gov.uk/ProductsandServices/PaperCharts/documents/snc_chart_listing.pdf

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Too bad, it suddenly just got more dangerous on the water...

Nah, the US Government things boat owners are 1%'ers and can pay their way as needed.

 

Don't look for the Corp of Engineers to Dredge your entrance anytime soon.

We will all have to pay more very very soon to have the right to go sailing out of the harbors our government built, even if it was in a bad spot.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe a dumb question.... Do the print-on-demand services print on the same kind of water repellant paper? I do most of my charting electronically (ipad w/ inavx and navionics), but plan to outfit myself with paper copies as backups. Since it's a backup, being able to cope w/ water is one of the key features I desire.

 

(Since I sail club owned boats, they're all required to have a chart on board, but I enjoy the consistency of using the same thing each time rather than figuring out which chart they have and how old it is).

 

OceanGraphix charts (print on demand) are available on water repellent paper and a waterproof (and pretty much rip-proof too)> Available from Landfall Navigation, my favorite and I am sure other places too. The advantage of POD charts is that they come with all current updates when printed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This isn't a big deal. There are plenty of shops around that print charts on demand. You get a choice of several different grades of paper, from something that dissolves if your eyes get a little watery thinking about a great sail you had last week, to paper that's pretty much indistinguishable from the plastic they use for the cheaper sort of credit cards. It's worth paying for the slightly plasticy stuff - in addition to being water resistant, it stands up to erasers, at least the good quality gum rubber ones.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How much does it typically cost to print a chart out at one of these shops? Assume an average grade of paper, unlaminated. Nothing fancy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

approx. 25 bucks and 10 extra for waterproof

How much does it typically cost to print a chart out at one of these shops? Assume an average grade of paper, unlaminated. Nothing fancy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You can also use a tool used by IT geeks and download the entire collection of PDF's ;-)

 

It's called wget and you'd run a command that looks like "wget -r http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs/". You'll get the entire freaggin' internet downloaded into your computer - or that one site at least ;)

 

You're welcome!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great stuff, saved a lot of maps.

 

Great hint

 

Tks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great stuff, saved a lot of maps.

 

Great hint

 

Tks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They also offer those "booklet charts" which are the same charts but formatted to print on a bunch of 8.5x11 pages that you keep in a notebook. I tried a few last year, but didn't like them. I found them disorienting and you can't really plot a course on them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You can also use a tool used by IT geeks and download the entire collection of PDF's ;-)

 

It's called wget and you'd run a command that looks like "wget -r http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs/". You'll get the entire freaggin' internet downloaded into your computer - or that one site at least ;)

 

You're welcome!

great hint...

 

285 charts and counting.... hope 100gb is enough space...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"For a limited time" (until January) you can also download all of the PDF versions that you want, for free.

Let's not all crash the server now.

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/pdfcharts/http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/pdfcharts/

 

Let's mirror that everywhere we can. I'll wget mine soon.

 

Raster or vector, I hope the paper-style look will continue. No vector chart looks as good or is as readable, IMO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, I've also noticed that even if you zoom all the way in on the coast-line... there are a lot more rocks shown on the paper charts. Even a couple of small bays that don't show up on the chart plotter. I.e. they seem to be at a slightly larger scale than the largest-scale vector chart.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why would you want charts for anyway, much better to rely on your GPS! iPhone :P

 

fixed for stupidity B)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

they're print on demand charts, from certified manufacturers, the title of this article and a few others on this piece of news is somewhat misleading. personally I'm thrilled. since these new charts will come corrected up to the day you order them, none of this having to correct a brand new chart bullshit. they've been doing this with the british admiralty charts for a number of years. hell the BAC's are better than the noaa charts anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you have Linux, or a Mac, do this in a Terminal window:

 

mkdir charts

cd charts

wget -r http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs/

 

And you will eventually have all of them.

 

If you don't have wget, google will instruct you, its pretty easy.

 

For example, if you have a Mac:

Install Xcode, and the Xcode command line tools. Its free from the App store.

The go to brew.sh and read about how cool is brew, and do this:

 

ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/mxcl/homebrew/go)"

brew install wget

wget -r http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Do you know if there is a website on which European charts are available?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

with Opera, press the L key or Tools > Links to see all clickable links (including the PDFs) of a site. Select the PDFs, right-click and save to download folder.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Do you know if there is a website on which European charts are available?

 

if you're in europe I'd skip the noaa charts and just use the british admiralty charts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From the NOAA website:

 

NOTE: Use the official, full scale NOAA nautical chart for real navigation whenever possible. These are available from authorized NOAA nautical chart sales agents. Screen captures of the on-line viewable charts available here do NOT fulfill chart carriage requirements for regulated commercial vessels under Titles 33 and 46 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

er... why would anybody want ALL of them? They'll be out of date before you can get around to using the ones outside your area anyway. It would be nice to be able to download a range or a list of them though.

 

Anybody succeed in plundering the whole hog, and if so, what is the final size of the download?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

total download is about 4.5G. If you use the downloader add-in for firefox you can check the box on the ones you want or select a range of them. You need to know which chart numbers you need to get the applicable ones. The NOAA descriptions can be a bit hard to understand if you aren't completely familiar with all of the landmarks in an area though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Speaking of "out of date..." I'm looking at the newest chart for my area and it shows airway beacons that were torn down fifty years ago. And docks that were destroyed in the flood of 1949 :unsure:

 

At least they have the buoys and range markers in the right places! Some of the sand bars are always shifting though...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From the NOAA website:

 

NOTE: Use the official, full scale NOAA nautical chart for real navigation whenever possible. These are available from authorized NOAA nautical chart sales agents. Screen captures of the on-line viewable charts available here do NOT fulfill chart carriage requirements for regulated commercial vessels under Titles 33 and 46 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

The charts are full sized if you take the PDF to a Professional Printer. I have no idea what they will charge though.

 

Chart# 411, The Gulf of Mexico is 48" x 35" full size.

while viewing in acrobat reader, Click File > Properties to see it's attributes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just downloaded them and one thing I've always wanted to do is have a wall covered with charts pieced together to make a whole coastal layout.

 

Thanks for the links and the Downthemall FF add on. It did not take long to download them and the shtml file.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Speaking of "out of date..." I'm looking at the newest chart for my area and it shows airway beacons that were torn down fifty years ago. And docks that were destroyed in the flood of 1949 :unsure:

 

At least they have the buoys and range markers in the right places! Some of the sand bars are always shifting though...

My understanding is they are primarily concerned with hazards to navigation in areas where there could be liablity and only update the little details when they do a new survey of the area. Specifically, some of the depth soundings can be quite old. The older the soundings, the less accurate and frequent for a given area.

 

If that is a problem, blame it on the likelyhood the agency is understaffed and underfunded.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You can also use a tool used by IT geeks and download the entire collection of PDF's ;-)

 

It's called wget and you'd run a command that looks like "wget -r http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs/". You'll get the entire freaggin' internet downloaded into your computer - or that one site at least ;)

 

You're welcome!

 

The command you're looking for if you only want to download the charts and not the entire NOAA website:

wget -r -np -l 1 -A shtml,pdf http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs/PDFs.shtml

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

These charts have been available for download and printing for a long time. This is just another format, PDF. Offering them in PDF format just makes it a ton easier to deal with them. I wrote up a process for getting the charts and printing them a while ago. It gets the charts into TIFF format so you can take Photoshop or equivalent and crop and combine to get a single chart that would otherwise take two charts if you happen to sail at the edge of two charts. http://l-36.com/charts.php I don't know if you can crop and combine pdf charts.

 

As I read the latest news, the limited time is a trial and if it turns out to be popular, they will continue to offer it and I assume it would always be free as all NOAA data is.

 

Also, the PDF charts are said to be identical to what is offered in the printed ones, just that they are updated regularly.

 

Allen

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Of all those bemoaning the loss of NOAA paper charts, when is the last time you purchased one in the last five years, do you keep them updated with the weekly LNTM?

 

In family with a small printing business, I grew up on paper charts. However, I prefer to use digital raster (RNC/BSB) and vector (ENC) charts when I can (which can be downloaded freely from NOAA.) I also prefer the convenience of having a two sided polyart (plastic) chart rather than two NOAA charts of Long Island Sound that cover the same area.

 

The last paper charts I bought were some NOAA 12354TR Long Island Sound Eastern Part training charts to teach a navigation class.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the link to the UK chart list - if only they would print their visual chart index in PDF form - the only one I know is a hard bound book. Anybody have a link to the UK chart index that isn't just a listing of the charts?

 

 

And I love how the numbers for the UK charts are TOTALLY random. "Oh look - that number is free, I'll use that one"

 

British Isles - 2

Chagos Archipelago - 3

Approaches to Weipa (Australia) - 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the link to the UK chart list - if only they would print their visual chart index in PDF form - the only one I know is a hard bound book. Anybody have a link to the UK chart index that isn't just a listing of the charts?

 

 

And I love how the numbers for the UK charts are TOTALLY random. "Oh look - that number is free, I'll use that one"

 

British Isles - 2

Chagos Archipelago - 3

Approaches to Weipa (Australia) - 4

goto http://www.ukho.gov.uk/ProductsandServices/ADCatalogue/Pages/Home.aspx

and download then install - not PDF but not bad

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"For a limited time" (until January) you can also download all of the PDF versions that you want, for free.

Let's not all crash the server now.

http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/pdfcharts/http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/pdfcharts/

This may be a dumb question, but haven't NOAA charts always been available for download?

 

I have raster copies of charts that I downloaded years ago from the NOAA website, and another that I got from their site in september. Why would they limit the availability of PDF charts?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Of all those bemoaning the loss of NOAA paper charts, when is the last time you purchased one in the last five years, do you keep them updated with the weekly LNTM?

 

In family with a small printing business, I grew up on paper charts. However, I prefer to use digital raster (RNC/BSB) and vector (ENC) charts when I can (which can be downloaded freely from NOAA.) I also prefer the convenience of having a two sided polyart (plastic) chart rather than two NOAA charts of Long Island Sound that cover the same area.

 

The last paper charts I bought were some NOAA 12354TR Long Island Sound Eastern Part training charts to teach a navigation class.

What is the difference between the RNC charts and the PDF ones? Just format? Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Of all those bemoaning the loss of NOAA paper charts, when is the last time you purchased one in the last five years, do you keep them updated with the weekly LNTM?

 

In family with a small printing business, I grew up on paper charts. However, I prefer to use digital raster (RNC/BSB) and vector (ENC) charts when I can (which can be downloaded freely from NOAA.) I also prefer the convenience of having a two sided polyart (plastic) chart rather than two NOAA charts of Long Island Sound that cover the same area.

 

The last paper charts I bought were some NOAA 12354TR Long Island Sound Eastern Part training charts to teach a navigation class.

What is the difference between the RNC charts and the PDF ones? Just format? Thanks.

In this case RNC stands for Raster Navigation Charts - not to be confused with the extension .RNC which is used for the Relax NG programming language.

 

When you download the Raster charts from NOAA you actually get a pair of files for each chart .BSB and .KAP

 

They are basically a specialized graphics file format. This website explains how to use BSB converter (free for windows and linux) to convert NOAA's native BSB format to PNG, JPEG, or TIFF.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The following the opinion from a printer local to the Annapolis area:

Have Lithographic Print Nautical Charts Gone Down With the Ship? by Holly Budd
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has announced that to save money, the government will stop printing the traditional lithographic paper chart, that has been NOAA’s signature product, trusted by mariners, since President Thomas Jefferson asked for a survey of the coast in 1807.
Are we hastening the demise of printed maps and charts? We often jump to new technology and online mapping without adequately considering the effect on the public; it’s like everybody running to one side of the boat to see what’s going on and making it capsize.
For example, the US Geological Survey used to have a very good printing plant that produced maps not only for USGS, but the Bureau of Land Management as well, not to mention collaborating with numerous state geological surveys to produce printed map products. Unfortunately their leadership with their crystal ball foresaw the demise of hard copy maps back around 2000. Their printing plant with decades of expertise and experience is now gone. Ironically, the only thing that is not gone is the demand for hard copy maps. Last year they were compelled to solicit a contract for the printing and distribution of their topo products, of which they still sell about 350,000 maps a year. That’s not too bad, for a product that the publisher has tried to discourage people from using.
Interestingly, NOAA used to be under the Dept. of Commerce. NOAA is a recent addition to the Federal Aviation Administration, (FAA), which is under Dept. of Transportation. This means that none of the higher ups in FAA or DOT came up through the ranks in NOAA. Hence, they have no history with the nautical charts and see no perceived value.
NOAA’s core job is to provide charts for commercial shipping. It continues to meet this requirement through the POD’s. A NOAA authorized Print on Demand (POD) chart is printed within a day or two of the date it is ordered and contains all the published critical chart corrections.

The recreational boater, however, has been abandoned.

“There is no question that many boaters and tourists will miss the days when they could drop by a shop to pick up a traditional nautical chart that was printed by the government. Stores offer more than convenience… They are a valuable resource for local information, marine expertise, and friendship.” (FAQs PDF)

 

The good news is that, while the federal government will no longer print lithographic nautical charts, they are now testing a new product: during a trial period from Oct 22, 2013 to Jan 22, 2014, they are making about a thousand nautical charts available in printable PDF format for free download.


The new printable PDF charts, at 400 dpi, continue the traditional look, with the same colors. Charts printed from the PDF file, are suitable for planning and public display. ... continue reading

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The UKHO charts are indeed really good - but I bet that the link above is only to the catalogue (sic). They charge through the nose for their e-charts (called ARCS) - and even then you only get a dongle that expires a year later, Least that is how it was a while back, Note also that the NOAA charts available on line for free are only for US waters. Does anyone have links to free or affordable raster Canadian charts? INavX for Canada for instance still charge a lot for relatively small areas, like it was when NDI were selling them on discs. So cruising to Newfoundland for instance as we did this summer, becomes a significant budget item if you want to buy current digital vector charts and arent prepared to go with with raster Navionics.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Interestingly, NOAA used to be under the Dept. of Commerce. NOAA is a recent addition to the Federal Aviation Administration, (FAA), which is under Dept. of Transportation. This means that none of the higher ups in FAA or DOT came up through the ranks in NOAA. Hence, they have no history with the nautical charts and see no perceived value.
NOAA’s core job is to provide charts for commercial shipping. It continues to meet this requirement through the POD’s. A NOAA authorized Print on Demand (POD) chart is printed within a day or two of the date it is ordered and contains all the published critical chart corrections.

Not true.

 

NOAA is still under Commerce. And NOAA's got a lot of "core job(s)"., including NWS, NHC, earth sensing satellites, research, fisheries, conservation as well as the coast survey. And the Marine Chart Division's mission and org chart does not distinguish between commercial and recreational navigation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites