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No Vpp's yet. We have been going 7 days a week for a bit over a month to get this far. I have draft and rig height restrictions to work with but I'm dealing with it. The boat has the same displ as the clients current Hinckley SW42. The interior is pretty much my version of what he has now. The biggest change has been the overall hull form and the much longer DWL. We worked hard to get the freeboard down. My client is very big on "row away" factor.

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Sweet boat!

 

Wraps modern -and aesthetically sterile- design elements with old school grace.

 

Hinckley should've called you Bob...

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Why is it that every nice looking cruising boat has someplace bob Perry's name on it? I'm not really into cruising but if I was going to build one. He would be one of the first to talk to about designs.

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Here you go. The interior is simply my tweaked version of what the client has now. That was my design directive. His current boat works very well for him.

 

One eye:

Many thanks for saying that.

 

Sid:

Hinckley did call me. But I didn't think they were serious enough to warrant driving to Seattle to meet with them. Couldn't see Hinckley going with a PNW designer. I don't even own red pants.

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Why is it that every nice looking cruising boat has someplace bob Perry's name on it? I'm not really into cruising but if I was going to build one. He would be one of the first to talk to about designs.

(I laffed becauze you our talkling licke Bobs notte heare)

 

Verrey sweete lookeng Bob, calle me foure sea trialles.

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Here you go. The interior is simply my tweaked version of what the client has now. That was my design directive. His current boat works very well for him.

 

One eye:

Many thanks for saying that.

 

Sid:

Hinckley did call me. But I didn't think they were serious enough to warrant driving to Seattle to meet with them. Couldn't see Hinckley going with a PNW designer. I don't even own red pants.

 

Bob, no one in Maine wears red pants. That's mostly Nantucket. Faded to pink. Nantucket has been annexed by New York but that's ok because they brought the good food with them. I told you this.

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Sweet detail on the transom. All the boats I sailed on back in NZ I had to row to. Getting in and out was sometimes an adventure. That step should help, though in any kind of seaway, boarding at midships was preferred.

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Very nice looking and love the transom ladder. If the boat is used right, that will get loads of use.

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Nice looking boat. Before reading down and just looking at the pic I thought cabin trunk looks very Hinckley/Aldenish so interesting that the client owned a Hinckley. If looks are any indication of what the final product will be am sure the client will be very happy, thanks for sharing. Now makes me think like any great composer wonder what would happen if you had a client with an older C&C "classic" design like the 39 or 61 who wanted something with the same feel but some other different parameter (length or whatever)-would love to see the result of that complete with the signature cove stripe/star/sword.

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Thanks you all.

 

Greevs: Long time no see.

Yah, I've been hanging out in the cesspool too much lately.

 

Love the interior layout, only one head!

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Very nice Bob. It reminds me of the Niagara 42 sorta (a favourite of mine), maybe it's transom. And the interior/plan is great. No creeping into the usual Euro-fag interiors that are only good for being firmly tied to the dock these days.

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Bob, I may have given you some guff for the FT10 but that's a very sweet looking design you have there.

 

"some guff"? From the child who believes everything he reads on the internet rather than touching something in real life and then forming an opinion? No doubt this will be an amazing boat, but it will be that with or without your nonsensical opinions.

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Hook:

No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem. But thanks anyway. I appreciate that.

Nice results for the Tiger in the first Hot Butterred Rum race. You should pay attention.

 

" It reminds me of the Niagara 42"

Now that hurts.

 

Max:

Right on. No creeping Euro fag interiors for me. This is a layout for many men and one extremely cute little girl, Adele.

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sid, here's mine. Hull #77.

 

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kdh...

 

I HATE you...

 

B)

 

Not Really...

 

Just jealous as hell.

 

So, I take it you went to Bob, and said: "Bob, I love my boat, but I want it more perfect..."

 

Or something like that?

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sid, sort of. The Sou'wester 42 has an overall length of 43' and a waterline length of 31'. The new design is 46' overall and 40' at the water. That's another knot of speed in displacement mode in a boat that's as manageable--same weight and windage. In many other respects the new design is modern from a performance perspective for cruising purposes.

 

And at least to my eye there is no compromise aesthetically. To the contrary, the new boat is more purposeful looking, less distorted by extinct rating rules.

 

I'm biased because obviously I'm involved with it, but I think Bob hit it out of the park.

 

He gave the design some thought for a few days, let it percolate in his head, and then drew a fucking masterpiece.

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Beautiful boat Mr. Perry, I'm trying to figure out what you do with the backstay with the ladder configuration folding out of the stern. Is there enough structure to split it to each corner of the transom? Would there be a hydraulic backstay system for each side?

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Hook:

No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem.

 

I coud haddley breethe i wase laffing so harde......

Me too....friggin' funny. Now I have to get the red wine out of my nose and my keyboard!

 

Bob, not to offend but I was thinking of the out east type (like is said on the CA thread "New England (ish)") I've had some time on a 42 and I think that one had been modified to do exactly that on the transom. I didn't say it was a bad thing. I love your design all over.

 

And yes, we are inundated by bleach bottles that just give good boat show and that's about. They are great until you have to put your grocery away for the first time or the first time it gets a little bumpy.

 

Good for you kdh for looking towards a real boat not a "sailing caravan".

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Nice hollow at the entry Bob, that boat looks right in every aspect. Like the fact that it could handle a proper bimini top if the owner would spend time in the tropics. Very similar cockpit to my C-43, can you strech out all the way on those cockpit benches? Same goes for the galley, again very similar to my boat and I know that it works. Nice to see good sea bunks. Is the mast exposed to water from the shower, could it lead on to corrosion problems at the mast foot? And I like that it has just one head, wanna crap on my boat, I think not, do so on shore :) If I had my way, it would have had a conventional propeller shaft. I understand that it frees up space the way it is but, in my area, aluminimum is best kept out of the water.

Very, very nice! That boat would have been very nice to have here in the Caribbean, taking naps on long cockpit benches under the Bimini and a shower aft on deck to get cleaned up after the sun sets on a hot Caribbean day.

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Wow!!

 

That is a beauty.

 

A few quick questions, most likely dumb ones on my part, Couple of dumb questions on my part.

 

1) Cored hull and if so with what i.e. foam, end grain balsa etc.?

2) Also, will the builder vacuum bag the boat?

3) Sail drive or shaft and strut?

4) What does it draw?

 

I love the custom performance/cruising boats you have designed.....very cool.

 

Of course I have also always liked the Passport 40 and Valiant 40 very cool cruisers with great performance.

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Another beauty Bob,

 

while your answering q's.

 

I'm curious on the rudder post and the aft rake. (no pun intended) Seems modern racers and cruisers have trended toward a plumb ( vertical ) post. I'm not an NA, but always interested in why things work or not. So would be interested in your take.

 

Also are you spec'ng polyester or epoxy for the layup?

 

thx,

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Wow!!

That is a beauty.

A few quick questions, most likely dumb ones on my part, Couple of dumb questions on my part.

 

...... Snip......

3) Sail drive or shaft and strut?

4) What does it draw?

 

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See post #8 there's a copy of the profile and interior layout with basic specs

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Hinckley needs to call KDH and get onboard.

 

Hinckley by Perry seems to work extremely well!

 

The Norwester 46

 

Of course this might just be a plot by Hinckley to get Bob to design a boat for them.....KDH who do you really work for?

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Freaking gorgeous. A bit of a stretched Cal 40. My personal reference would be for it to be a bit more "Q" like in the underbody, a true wolf in sheep's clothing. Love it.

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Hinckley needs to call KDH and get onboard.

 

Hinckley by Perry seems to work extremely well!

 

The Norwester 46

 

Of course this might just be a plot by Hinckley to get Bob to design a boat for them.....KDH who do you really work for?

Ya, I like that. It's got legs.

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Another question...having seen Hetairos up close, why not go for a plumb bow, like Bluenose? Was it a consideration for the ground tackle...i.e. I don't want to beat up the topsides?

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Srings:

I didn't want a plumb bow for sever al Right, I wanted some overhang to help with the ground tackle.

 

Lee:

Yes I can. Easy.

 

Raked:

That's the way I do my rudders. For now that rudder is what we call a "place holder" while we work on other things. I will revisit it several times during the design process.

 

Shizzer:

Go to Cursing Anerchy and read the thread. the asnwers to you questions are there. The hull will be cored and not with balsa. Draft is 6'.

 

Tranquer:

I lived with a sail drive for 15 years with no corrosion problems and my boat sat in a "hot" marina.

 

Many thanks for all the kind words. Gee whizz, even Vyes-Marie likes it. I'm honored.

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Look at the 3rd and 5th render. To my eye the extent to which the aft supports on the bow pulpit are cocked-forward says, "give me more bow overhang!" But that's just me.

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Great looking boat, and I agree with an earlier post that this would be a much better logical evolution of the sou'wester than what they are currently going for up at Hinckley. Any ideas on who is going to build it?

 

By the way... Plenty of pink pants up in Maine. A somewhat different variety than what is found out on Nantucket these days, but one only has to spend a few minutes in Northeast Harbor to see that this unfortunate tradition is alive and well downeast.

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Great looking boat, and I agree with an earlier post that this would be a much better logical evolution of the sou'wester than what they are currently going for up at Hinckley. Any ideas on who is going to build it?

 

By the way... Plenty of pink pants up in Maine. A somewhat different variety than what is found out on Nantucket these days, but one only has to spend a few minutes in Northeast Harbor to see that this unfortunate tradition is alive and well downeast.

 

I suppose you're right Eli about the pants. Martha Stewart even has a pink driveway.

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Geeze, BP, that just looks like shit (some really cool shit): if I win the lottery can I have one, too?

 

The pic in post #8 says 25,000 lbs for the canoe body only. Is that really without the keel? (Stupid Q I'm sure but I have little experience with pretty, sexy cruising boats in that size and my curiosity, well, that's always getting me into trouble.)

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Eli:

We don't have a builder yet. We are not quite ready to send out drawings and specs for a bid.

 

You should consider Tartan, they could put it together in epoxy an bake her for a strong/light combo...

Also do an in house custom carbo rig.

 

Do you have any sail plans done yet. Rig looks forward, huge ass main, guessing 100-110 up front?

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Beautiful, Bob.

 

Does the eyebrow droop with respect to the cabintop as you move aft or is that an artifact of the perspective and "moonlight" illumination in the rendering?

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27:

Yes, that displ. is just the canoe body. That keel is off another recent 45'er of mine and for now is just a "place holder" while we work on other elements of the design. We won;t finish the keel until, we have a completed weight study. Yes, you can have one too. You can have two if you hit Powerball.

 

Stream:

Thanks. No the eyebrow doesn't droop aft. But there is a subtle reverse spring to the edge of the cabin top. Eyebrow will go on excatly %$^&** below the tangent. Can't give all my secrets away.

 

KDHSailplanbig13-11-11-8x11_zpse1dbb2c8.

 

Rig is forward and designed for a big main. Due to the fucking bridge the clkient has to go under all the time I was restricted in height so I took the hounds up as far as possible only leaving a little room for the head of the asym.

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When you come out for a test sail you will understand the reasoning. At the top of Rhode Island you can either enjoy the Sakonett River or Mount Hope Bay it is a very nice cruising ground. It's like taking a left turn to nowhere, cruising with no destination or one if you want it.

27:

Yes, that displ. is just the canoe body. That keel is off another recent 45'er of mine and for now is just a "place holder" while we work on other elements of the design. We won;t finish the keel until, we have a completed weight study. Yes, you can have one too. You can have two if you hit Powerball.

 

Stream:

Thanks. No the eyebrow doesn't droop aft. But there is a subtle reverse spring to the edge of the cabin top. Eyebrow will go on excatly %$^&** below the tangent. Can't give all my secrets away.

 

KDHSailplanbig13-11-11-8x11_zpse1dbb2c8.

 

Rig is forward and designed for a big main. Due to the fucking bridge the clkient has to go under all the time I was restricted in height so I took the hounds up as far as possible only leaving a little room for the head of the asym.

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Bob,

 

Just stunning!

 

She will be a real dream to sail...

 

Best wishes,

 

fs

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Bob,

 

Lovely, really lovely. I'll take one, but I'll need another 8' on a carbon mast. Keep the hounds where they are. Oh, and a 8' bulb keel & keep the displacement down to 25k total.

 

Now, where did I leave my checkbook?...

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Sailman: I do understand the reasoning. The reason is the client requires it. That's good enough for me.

 

The client is rich, tell him to buy the fucking bridge and dismantle it.

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Understood. You missed my reference, I wanted to find a way to sneak this in (found it on a completely random search):

 

 

 

Sailman: I do understand the reasoning. The reason is the client requires it. That's good enough for me.

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Bob - in your drawings, you show a light line in place of a sprit so that the asymm has a tack point in front of the boat and on CL....interior renderings don't show an internal sprit tube/etc. -- are you going to include an extendable sprit and setup for a furling asymm?

 

Challenge I've found trying to figure out a refit design on my existing boat for a furling asymm is that the sprit along sheerline results in a low tack for the asymm...makes it tough to see under. If I raced (much) I would want the low sail area, but for cruiser I want better visibility.

 

WWing

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I like the shorter rig.

 

The main has that fuller look you see on the old CCA boats, and linked to the masthead rig it suits the style and origin of the boat.

 

And some parts of the globe have plenty of wind, not like the Northwest.

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Sailman:

I'm not really receptive to obscure SPRINGFIELD RIFLE references these days. But it made me smile and remember. I do have the album. In fact kdh also has the album.

I am going to town tonight to do some playing with old friends. The RED CRANE on Aurora N.

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Wing:

That's because you are looking at the port inboard profile drawn when the pole was to starboard. We moved it to port later thinking the cabinetry to port was more suited to hiding the pole.

If we do end up going with the sprit the vertical angle wil be determnined by what it takes to keep it in the cabinetry.

 

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It was just something that ticked my memory, I had remembered a reference to you playing in that band. I was actually doing a search on the actual rifle and that video came up.

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One comment Bob on putting the halyards on the mast to keep the deck clean --- single best thing I did in a recent refit was to add an electric halyard winch (Harken Unipower - single speed with the motor (mostly) in the drum) --- really makes it easy to short hand, esp since I'm getting old and hauling up the main and spin is a lot of work! For the jib halyard, I put an Antal mast slider on the side of the mast for the jib halyard - the jib halyard exits the mast and dead-ends to a car on the Antal track.....keeps the big coil for the jib halyard in the lazarette all season instead of hanging on the side of the mast. To lower the jib, I simply attach a long halyard tail. If you are in Seattle, the boat is at Elliott Bay Marina in slip H-9 if you want to take a look. Sorry I don't have a good pic handy.

 

WWing

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Whitey:

 

We spent some time going over the benefits of an protruding tube, an "outy" vs a flush tube, an "inny". We decided on an outy.

I don't mind the look. It looks like what it is. It looks like it doesn't belong on a cruising boat and that's excatly why I like it. With a very dark blue hull like we have I think it would almost dissapear. Due to our extensive accomodations, compared to a Farr 40 fir instance, there are joinery restrictions that come into bearing on how this pole is situated in the boat.

 

I like your idea on the jib ha, Will file that one away. Thanks for the tip. You tension the stowed jib hal with the movable car?

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Whitey:

 

We spent some time going over the benefits of an protruding tube, an "outy" vs a flush tube, an "inny". We decided on an outy.

I don't mind the look. It looks like what it is. It looks like it doesn't belong on a cruising boat and that's excatly why I like it. With a very dark blue hull like we have I think it would almost dissapear. Due to our extensive accomodations, compared to a Farr 40 fir instance, there are joinery restrictions that come into bearing on how this pole is situated in the boat.

 

I like your idea on the jib ha, Will file that one away. Thanks for the tip. You tension the stowed jib hal with the movable car?

 

I really like the whole design of the boat - it's really a standout among an excellent collection of designs that you've done. Congrats.

 

Agree that the sprit as drawn will disappear against the hull and be a nice look....if kdh wants to go with a furling drum approach ala Karver/Facnor/Bamar to the asymm to make it super easy to launch/douse and jibe it might be a trick to figure out how the control lines will run.

 

re: Jib halyard -- exactly right - I have a 6' line with a spliced loop in the end - the loop drops onto a recessed hook on the car and leads to the winch....tension the line and the car moves along the track, which has angled stop holes so that the pin on the car click-click-clicks down the track until you get the tension you want. Release and stow the 6' line and you're done. To ease halyard tension, you tension the line, pull and rotate the pin 90deg and the pin retracts. Very slick. http://www.antal.it/index.php/en/t-track-sliders/halyard-sliders

 

WWing

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Hook:

No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem.

I coud haddley breethe i wase laffing so harde......

 

 

You and me both Snaggster.

 

Nice looking boat Robert.

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White, we have a Leisure Furl so the main halyard is led to an electric cabin top winch.

 

Yes, read that after I had posted, same config as your current boat. I eliminated two Barient 32 self tailers on my cabin top by adding the electric - I had overhead challenges since I was doing a refit, which is what led me to the Harken with the motor inside the drum. I have sheet stoppers on the mast for main, jib, spin (frac), and masthead halyards. Electric winch serves all four.

 

WWing

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I've always had a bit of a hard time relating over here away from the the civil CA. I'm going to just fele like a little girl being accepted by the popular group. For fun.

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I've always had a bit of a hard time relating over here away from the the civil CA. I'm going to just fele like a little girl being accepted by the popular group. For fun.

I am sure you will do fine. Works both ways, I don't feel accepted when I go to the CA side.

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That Antal jib track had me utterly confused as to its practicality, until I remembered it is a cruising boat with furling headsails. Looks useful for the tropics, limiting the amount of rope in the UV

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That Antal jib track had me utterly confused as to its practicality, until I remembered it is a cruising boat with furling headsails. Looks useful for the tropics, limiting the amount of rope in the UV

 

UV in the tropics, green growth here in the PNW :)

 

WWing

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If the majority of cruising is done with one all purpose headsail that's reefed and furled to put away, and hardly ever changed down to another jib, the Antal short track and car makes a lot sense.

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