Ugly dodger collection

[py26129 77]

We have the Ugly Boat Admiration society and the Cool Dodger thread. Finding the pic below finally pushed me over the edge.

 

The boat's not ugly and the dodger is definitely not cool so lets criticise and ridicule to our heart's content.

 

O Day 37

 

 

[toddster 434]

Now, imagine that same concept on a boat 10-feet shorter... I snapped this one while on a dock-walk as a warning to myself. This is what a standing-height dodger looks like on an Ericson 27.

 

[IStream 2,226]

I don't know the brand, but there's a whole bunch of this style of hard dodger up in the Vancouver, BC area. On a Catalina 42, which is otherwise a somewhat graceful boat, this thing sticks up like a tumor. Function? Sure. Form? Fuck it.

 

 

Here's another Canadian abomination of the softer variety:

 

[Ishmael 5,757]

I don't know the brand, but there's a whole bunch of this style of hard dodger up in the Vancouver, BC area. On a Catalina 42, which is otherwise a somewhat graceful boat, this thing sticks up like a tumor. Function? Sure. Form? Fuck it.

 

 

 

Do these people think we are blind? Some of the billboards on boats are just unbelievable.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

That's why they're called oxygen tents. The owners ages usually contribute a bit to that moniker as well.

[Ishmael 5,757]

That's why they're called oxygen tents. The owners ages usually contribute a bit to that moniker as well.

 

From a distance, that dodger mercifully almost disappears. However, I was actually talking about the name on the side. It would have to go some to match the total lack of taste on the Scott's Hanse 411, though.

 

 

[/hijack]

[blackjenner 11]

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim.

 

And the other end.

 

 

I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

That one isn't bad at all. Sure would be nice around here in the off season.

[bmiller 729]

At what point does a dodger become a pilot house? I think this is close.

 

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim.

And the other end.



I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

[Maxx Baqustae 214]

 

At what point does a dodger become a pilot house? I think this is close.

 

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim.

 

And the other end.

 

 

I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

Probably taken from a Maple Leaf 42 I'll wager. With the windshield and the 42 hardtop is very similar. Good liveaboard with that set up. Friends had one at Westview marina on the south side. Too much windage for me.

[py26129 77]

Now, imagine that same concept on a boat 10-feet shorter... I snapped this one while on a dock-walk as a warning to myself. This is what a standing-height dodger looks like on an Ericson 27.

 

The poor boat looks like someone glued on a handle to make haulout easier.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

 

At what point does a dodger become a pilot house? I think this is close.

 

We saw this come motoring into Blakely Harbor when we were visiting Kim.

 

And the other end.

 

 

I didn't hate it. You be the judge, either of the boat or my own sense of aesthetics.

 

When it has an aft bulkhead and a door.

[yowie 0]

http://liveimages.boatsales.com.au/boatpoint/boat/dealer/bd4712865867967471072.jpg?height=700&aspect=FitWithinNoPad&width=1050

[Polytelum Tom 1,463]

Wow, this thread really fizzled after an extremely strong start.

 

The O'Day 37 with the battleship house is pretty funny and that Ericson 27 is completely over the (hard) top.

 

The Catalina 42 enclosure is nice. The full enclosure on the smaller Catalina actually includes a decent dodger, it just goes too far.

 

That dodger on Legacy is not the best looking one I have ever seen, but really doesn't belong in the same thread with the Ericson abomination.

 

A pop-top enclosure on a MacGregor is not really a dodger.

 

The world can't really be this short on ugly dodgers???

[Kedge 3]

Ugly Dodger?
Does that get things back on track Tom?

[Ajax 1,930]

The guy who put the house on the Ericson should be punched in his babymakers. He fucked up a nice boat.

[Schnick 19]

The dodger on my old Ranger was pretty awful - although not a bad effort for a home-made from scratch project by the PO's wife. I lowered the thing by about 40% when I replaced it.

[Steam Flyer 4,748]

The guy who put the house on the Ericson should be punched in his babymakers. He fucked up a nice boat.

 

Naw, it just needs a horizontal stripe.

Like the one the same clown original thinker painted on the cabin trunk.

 

FB- Doug

[py26129 77]

Here is another fine example of a Hard Dodger on an Ontario 28, a C&C design

 

[Bugsy 398]

^ That photo looks distorted (stretched vertically). I assume that was done on purpose.

 

Thanks for this thread - amusing and educational.

[py26129 77]

Here is a better pic. I goofed while posting the previous pic. It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

 

[IStream 2,226]

Hey Mikey, let's build a fort!

[IStream 2,226]

...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

[blackjenner 11]

How about the center cockpit dodger/enclosure on this Hardin 45?

 

 

I didn't think she was ugly. We wanted to buy her.

[toddster 434]

 

The guy who put the house on the Ericson should be punched in his babymakers. He fucked up a nice boat.

 

Naw, it just needs a horizontal stripe.

Like the one the same clown original thinker painted on the cabin trunk.

 

FB- Doug

Well, to be fair, I saw that in the west basin at astoria. If that guy actually crosses the Columbia Bar every time he goes out, one might forgive a certain amount of function over form.

If, um... that's what it is.

[IStream 2,226]

How about the center cockpit dodger/enclosure on this Hardin 45?

 

 

I didn't think she was ugly. We wanted to buy her.

I'm not a fan of the Hardins but as a liveaboard, I could see how she'd be a good candidate. I think you ended up with a much better alternative from both the aesthetic and functional points of view.

[sully75 8]

Here is a better pic. I goofed while posting the previous pic. It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

 

 

Looks like it's designed to funnel water down the back of your neck.

[Ajax 1,930]

 

How about the center cockpit dodger/enclosure on this Hardin 45?

 

 

I didn't think she was ugly. We wanted to buy her.

I'm not a fan of the Hardins but as a liveaboard, I could see how she'd be a good candidate. I think you ended up with a much better alternative from both the aesthetic and functional points of view.

 

Black, you totally got the better boat. Come on man, that thing has so much sheer, that it looks hogged!

There is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".

[py26129 77]

Dumb Question, how do you sail with the enclusure on the Hardin? Unless the main is cut funny, it looke likt the first tack / gype would sweep it right off the boat.

[IStream 2,226]

Py, the topping lifts in the picture are non-adjustable.

[Bob Perry 839]

Look closely at the Hardin.

Look at the mainmast.

Look at the cap shproud and where it hits the chainplate.

Now look at the portlight directly below the chainplate.

Interesting.

 

I went to this yard in Taiwan. It was owned at that time by T.C.Huang a wealthy Taipei attorney. He wanted his so and daughter to run the yard. Son and daughter wanted nothing to do with the yard.

I became friends with the family. It got kind of bizarre in time. I'll save those stories for later. They are all noted in detail in my journals. Unfortnately I haven't seen my journals in over 4 years. I hid them and now I can't find them.

[Figment 34]

Bob, I think you're seeing the lifeline stanchion. It looks to me like the cap shroud lands forward of that portlight.

[Bob Perry 839]

Not sure Figgers. This boat had forward and aft lowers so I think you may be seeing the forward lower.

But, I did have the chance to view this problem while being at the yard and my advice was sought. Pretty certain I did not invent that.

[Trovão 440]

[Polytelum Tom 1,463]

That's not a bad little dodger and connector panels look funny but can be nice.

 

You saw the Ericson, right? That one doesn't belong in the same thread.

[bljones 0]

 

...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

*looks down at the mic and snickers* Best get to steppin' Papa Doc, because when I search just the US West Coast, I get 159, including this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1976/Clipper-Marine-30-2499951/Portland/OR/United-States#.UquHcNLulaY

So damn ugly they printed it backward, hoping it looked better.

 

Peace out.

*kicks the mic into the roaring crowd*

[SloopJonB 7,937]

 

Guy's been hanging out with too many Hunter owners.

[IStream 2,226]

 

 

...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

*looks down at the mic and snickers* Best get to steppin' Papa Doc, because when I search just the US West Coast, I get 159, including this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1976/Clipper-Marine-30-2499951/Portland/OR/United-States#.UquHcNLulaY

So damn ugly they printed it backward, hoping it looked better.

 

Peace out.

*kicks the mic into the roaring crowd*

You kidding me? The dodger's the only thing keeping that transom in check!

[bljones 0]

I like big butts, I cannot lie. But GawwwDAYum! Some shit is just plain wrong as fuck.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

 

 

 

...It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

It's not just Toronto. I just did an advanced search in Yachtworld: all used Canadian sailboats with the keyword "dodger".

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=dodger&is=false&type=%28Sail%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=&toPrice=&currencyid=100&city=&cint=101&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

 

I got 110 hits and a cursory examination is all it takes to validate and expand your hypothesis. Thread over, drop the mic.

*looks down at the mic and snickers* Best get to steppin' Papa Doc, because when I search just the US West Coast, I get 159, including this: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1976/Clipper-Marine-30-2499951/Portland/OR/United-States#.UquHcNLulaY

So damn ugly they printed it backward, hoping it looked better.

 

Peace out.

*kicks the mic into the roaring crowd*

You kidding me? The dodger's the only thing keeping that transom in check!

 

Hard to believe that Crealock designed that boat isn't it? Oh well, even Garden had his off days.

[Bob Perry 839]

I have no trouble at all believing it's a Crealock.

 

That does it. No presents for me this Christrmas.

[Ishmael 5,757]

More coal.

[steele 100]

There is one of those on my dock, the guy lives on it with the biggest german shepard I have ever seen. It is covered with stuff and goes out a lot, during crabbing season I have seen up to 12 pots stacked on deck.

[joneisberg 5]

This one may not fall into the Appallingly Ugly category, but...

 

C'mon, slapping a sawed-off center console aluminum T-top onto a Bristol Channel Cutter - that's just plain WRONG...

 

 

[SloopJonB 7,937]

The owner of that BCC should have his boat seized for doing that to it. If you're unwilling to get cold, wet & sunburned you have no business owning a BCC.

[Bob Perry 839]

He should be horsewhipped.

[mcsailor0303 34]

[ZeroTheHero 47]

I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

[Ajax 1,930]

Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

[Ishmael 5,757]

Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

[Spin Echo 2]

And another one...

[Salazar 106]

 

Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

 

That dodger isn't too bad. Now the boat itself, that's ugly.

[bljones 0]

 

Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

Push-me Pull-You school of center cockpit design

[mcsailor0303 34]

Nothing against the boat or skipper, but man I have always found this really ugly:

 

 

Practical tho..

[py26129 77]

Reminds me of the cardboard boxes kids play in.

[py26129 77]

This I don't get:

 

Take 1 beautiful Cherubini 44

 

 

 

 

Add 1 of these:

 

 

 

 

and end up with this.

 

 

 

 

 

That's like having cosmetic surgery to add a wart on a beautiful woman's face!

[sully75 8]

Nothing against the boat or skipper, but man I have always found this really ugly:

 

 

Practical tho..

 

I think with a little finesse though it could be a lot nicer. Pretty functional. What's the boat?

[Steam Flyer 4,748]

 

I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

 

Define "all that ugly."

Doesn't sound good to me.

 

Personally, I think the sails are one of the best points about this boat.

 

FB- Doug

[sully75 8]

This one may not fall into the Appallingly Ugly category, but...

 

C'mon, slapping a sawed-off center console aluminum T-top onto a Bristol Channel Cutter - that's just plain WRONG...

 

 

 

Amazing that the boat still looks beautiful.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

 

 

Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

 

That dodger isn't too bad. Now the boat itself, that's ugly.

 

If I'm not mistaken, that's Phil Rhodes you're insulting.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

 

 

I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

 

Define "all that ugly."

Doesn't sound good to me.

 

Personally, I think the sails are one of the best points about this boat.

 

FB- Doug

 

I believe the interior is the best point of those things. Simply a rehash of the old Columbia 45.

[Ishmael 5,757]

 

 

 

Why am I suddenly hungry for cake?

 

 

That dodger isn't too bad. Now the boat itself, that's ugly.

 

If I'm not mistaken, that's Phil Rhodes you're insulting.

 

That is correct. They are apparently very nice people and they love their boat and yes, it's not the prettiest girl at the ball. I think I posted this a long time ago in the uglyboat thread and had some vituperation sent my way...

[Great Red Shark 379]

 

 

Nothing against the boat or skipper, but man I have always found this really ugly:

 

 

Practical tho..

I think with a little finesse though it could be a lot nicer. Pretty functional. What's the boat?

 

 

I believe that's the green Moore 24 Ronnie Simpson sailed in the last Singlehanded Transpac. And yes, the dodger-box was rather agricultural.

 

As for the Truncated T-top on the Bristol Channel cutter, it may be out-of-context but in the tropics that lid would seem brilliant.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

And another one...

 

It appears that even mother nature wants that one gone.

[Steam Flyer 4,748]

 

 

 

I would never own that boat but overall I don't find it all that ugly and the dodger doesn't seem out of place. Now, about those sails.....

 

Define "all that ugly."

Doesn't sound good to me.

 

Personally, I think the sails are one of the best points about this boat.

 

FB- Doug

 

I believe the interior is the best point of those things. Simply a rehash of the old Columbia 45.

 

You're right. From inside, you can't see any of the outside of it and you can turn up the stereo to drown out the cries of derision from onlookers.

 

FB- Doug

[basketcase 366]

Here is a better pic. I goofed while posting the previous pic. It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

 

hey, that boat was in my club. ugly as fuck and the owner is a bit of a dick.

[Ajax 1,930]

I'd be grumpy too, if my boat looked like that.

[basketcase 366]

I'd be grumpy too, if my boat looked like that.

he did it him self. he was told not to, was told it would look like shit. then when he insisted, was offered good advice from people who know. did not want any part of it.

this photo just shows the shit design, build quality is along the same lines. he totally fucked it.

when i say he was a bit of a dick, i may be understating things.

[Ajax 1,930]

B-

 

You just can't help some people.

[IStream 2,226]

 

Here is a better pic. I goofed while posting the previous pic. It seems that the brokerages in Toronto are fertile ugly dodger ground.

 

 

hey, that boat was in my club. ugly as fuck and the owner is a bit of a dick.

I find it hard to believe that a dick would put such a jaunty hat on his boat.

[Polytelum Tom 1,463]

He's got a nice array of COTB. Plentiful power and wind steering are nice things as is the ubiquitous Magnum grill.

[mcsailor0303 34]

Shield your eyes..

 

 

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bar/4263472114.html

[Ishmael 5,757]

It had never occurred to me to just put the stove in a wooden box on top of the cushions. Good thing there's a fire extinguisher tucked behind the thing most likely to catch fire.

 

[IStream 2,226]

Looks like he studied covered wagon design.

[Ishmael 5,757]

 

The stern extension is also interesting.

 

Don't you think that if you're listing a $275k boat that you could put in 2 minutes to rotate the images?

 

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/Bavaria-51-Ocean-2677944/Acapulco/Mexico#.UsSzYLRYoiM

[py26129 77]

That's not a stern extension, that's a balcony!

[Polytelum Tom 1,463]

The dodger itself is not ugly or really remarkable in any way.

 

I don't think we have a thread for that boat.

 

I'm not sure one is needed, though I would like to see video of the boat running in steep seas.

[Polytelum Tom 1,463]

I love the SCAMP and like this upgrade.

 

But it's kinda ugly.

 

[familysailor 121]

A Conestoga Scamp...

Kinda looks like a duck---

Or a Pelican

[py26129 77]

I love the SCAMP and like this upgrade.

 

But it's kinda ugly.

 

 

The "portholes / windows" in the canvas remind me of one of these.

 

[Steam Flyer 4,748]

 

I love the SCAMP and like this upgrade.

 

But it's kinda ugly.

 

 

The "portholes / windows" in the canvas remind me of one of these.

 

 

Looks to me like a stoned ghost humping an Optimist pram.

 

Unfortunately not even Google Images can help me provide another image of that

 

FB- Doug

[frozenhawaiian 96]

This I don't get:

 

Take 1 beautiful Cherubini 44

 

Cherubini 44.jpg44_1.jpg

 

 

 

Add 1 of these:

 

Cher 2.jpg

 

 

 

and end up with this.

 

 

 

Cher 3.jpg

 

 

That's like having cosmetic surgery to add a wart on a beautiful woman's face!

 

 

if it wasn't such a beautiful boat to begin with I might not have an issue with it, god those cherubini 44's are pretty.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

That one is just badly done. There have been lots of hard dodgers much like it (but better designed) on that type of boat and they can look very good. Check out Phil Rhodes if you don't believe me.

 

The Cherub's are gorgeous - If I had a spare $750K lying around I'd have mine as a stays'l schooner.

[DennisY 2]

"Looks to me like a stoned ghost humping an Optimist pram."

 

+1000 FB

[Bob Perry 839]

I like that pram. All the features work well together to my eye.

 

And,,,the next time someone says a Rhodes design is ugly I'm going to have to do some serious ass whoopin. I'll tell you what to like! You have to put that design into a time context and look at what it was supposed to accomplish. Or you can ignore that but that would be like saying " I don't like symphony orchestras, all those violins wreck it."

 

I find the Rhodes MS a handsome example of a type that Rhodes drew several variations on.

[SloopJonB 7,937]

And,,,the next time someone says a Rhodes design is ugly I'm going to have to do some serious ass whoopin. I'll tell you what to like! You have to put that design into a time context and look at what it was supposed to accomplish. Or you can ignore that but that would be like saying " I don't like symphony orchestras, all those violins wreck it."

 

I find the Rhodes MS a handsome example of a type that Rhodes drew several variations on.

 

Right behind you on that Bob. Rhodes died right about the time I got interested in boats but I've got Henderson's book on his work. I've read it several times and I've never found an ugly, or even "iffy" line in it.

 

To my mind he was THE master of sheerlines - even better than Stephens. It would be interesting to see how those two would handle modern, slight sheers instead of the swoopy, voluptuous ones they did in those days.

 

Probably really well - when you're good, you're good.

[Bob Perry 839]

Jon:

I'm with you on Rhodes.

If pressed I very well might say that CARINA was my favorite boat of all time. When I was 15 years old I saw a copy of POPULAR BOATING and on the cover was a photo of the Chespeake 32. It was like I was struck by lightening. I knew that this was what I wanted to do.

[mcsailor0303 34]

Kinda ugly, really badass tho...

 

Anyone know anything about the boat?

[SloopJonB 7,937]

That greenhouse is pretty ugly but it would be great around here in the winter. Maybe some quick disconnect fittings so you could take it off in the spring?

[Salazar 106]

Kinda ugly, really badass tho...

 

Anyone know anything about the boat?

 

That looks like the boat a couple of friends of mine did Cape Horn on, Spirit of Sydney, a 60ft sloop in 2005. It was built as a single handed round the world racer.

 

A photo of my friend at the wheel:

 

 

Spirit of Sydney was designed by Ben Lexcen and launched by the then Prime Minister of Australia, Bob Hawke in the euphoric era following Australia’s history breaking win of the America’s Cup with the Ben Lexcen designed Australia 2 and its famous winged keel. Ian Kiernan sailed Spirit solo around the world in the 1986 BOC Challenge and to his credit achieved 4^th place against much lighter high tech yachts, probably aided by the fact that his “landrover of the sea” suffered no structural failures and is a well balanced ‘sweet’ yacht that handles well under auto pilot.

 

Spirit was designed and built in an era when good racing performance was tempered by respect for the power of the mighty southern ocean. Consequently she is a strong and powerful yacht with excellent all round sailing ability and her tough aluminium construction and watertight bulkheads have given her a useful second life as an Antarctic Expedition yacht. She is an ocean greyhound with long clean lines and flared bow sections for surfing the big rollers of the southern ocean, offering an exhilarating experience for guests and crew alike.

 

Link to the boat's website: http://www.spiritofsydney.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=36

[eliboat 246]

 

And,,,the next time someone says a Rhodes design is ugly I'm going to have to do some serious ass whoopin. I'll tell you what to like! You have to put that design into a time context and look at what it was supposed to accomplish. Or you can ignore that but that would be like saying " I don't like symphony orchestras, all those violins wreck it."

 

I find the Rhodes MS a handsome example of a type that Rhodes drew several variations on.

 

Right behind you on that Bob. Rhodes died right about the time I got interested in boats but I've got Hende