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On 5/19/2018 at 1:04 PM, r.finn said:

Besides aesthetics, which are strong, what is the reason for the aft raked stem?  It can't be weight, right?   So many other part aft to chop off....

Reduces foredeck area and the weight, and pitching that goes with it. Also less windage (and wavage) on the bow and smooths airflow and reduces obstruction to bottom of foresails when heeled.

The latest RAN, a Carkeek Fast 40 is the most extreme example to date?

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Its going the NorthWest passage route, maybe that is behind it, a small bow profile made very strong.. for the icy bits to encounter.

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On 5/17/2018 at 6:53 AM, jack_sparrow said:

Why not..There is a theory going around that Juan K has put so much lead onto the seabed that the earth has tilted on its axis and so he is the one responsible for global warming.

 

If we're gonna put the library out there, here are some more gems.

 

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I'm chuckling at the idea that Juan K is going to suddenly put together his first foiler IMOCA and be competitive. He is after all, the designer of the Beneteau First. 

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Holy shit - will you look at that thing go!

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On 5/23/2018 at 3:18 PM, Miffy said:

I'm chuckling at the idea that Juan K is going to suddenly put together his first foiler IMOCA and be competitive. He is after all, the designer of the Beneteau First. 

Must be working for free or close to it. In some fairness to him I do think he has drawn some innovative lines over the years and certainly pushed the state of the art forward back in the VO70 heyday but somewhere in the transition to all carbon structures his structural team made a mistake, which is really quite tragic. I think VPLP and to a lesser extent Farr have better modelling and simulation capability and larger databases to draw from on the structural side of the house. His biggest issue is going to be foil design, truly I think there are less than 5 guys out there that can design a really fast set of hydrofoils across a wide range of operating points. Much like the glider world, only a handful of renowned aerodynamicist's that have pushed the design envelope forward while not repeating past mistakes.

It will be interesting to see what the new builds offer, but I would be pretty happy taking the current Hugo Boss, fitting it with Gen3 and maybe Gen4 foils and sending it. I think crewed with a new set of boards and you'd have a new outright monohull record. Solo you'd still be a front runner, as this is now a foil design contest and you'd have a platform that was designed to foil from the outset.

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On 5/17/2018 at 12:37 PM, mad said:

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Yeah, but who knows the real story why this boat broke in half?

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On 5/23/2018 at 7:54 PM, MR.CLEAN said:

If we're gonna put the library out there, here are some more gems.

 

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Can’t remember if the boat ever sailed in the Admirals Cup in the end, but I remember a big rating evaluation going on. 

This was another. 

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On 5/20/2018 at 11:24 PM, Sidecar said:

Reduces foredeck area and the weight, and pitching that goes with it. Also less windage (and wavage) on the bow and smooths airflow and reduces obstruction to bottom of foresails when heeled.

The latest RAN, a Carkeek Fast 40 is the most extreme example to date?

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Also increases forward structure stiffness while reducing weight. Significant difference in shedding water also (apparently, according to Hugo Boss and AT)

 

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On 5/18/2018 at 4:18 PM, fdcampello said:

Beautiful design and painting! No foils, though... The man behind this is Norbert Sedlacek, who raced in the Vendee Globe in 2004 (Brother) and 2008 (Nauticsport.com - Kapsch). I wouldn't be surprised to see this boat on the starting line in 2020.

Like Emmanuel Macron would say : " This is the project"

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17 hours ago, Baguette du Fromage said:

Like Emmanuel Macron would say : " This is the project"

Correct me as I haven't researched this project other than I read he is racing this boat around the world on his own to break records? Don't know much about him and this design and yes it could well be on the start line in 2020 but not sure how competitive it would be against the newer VPLP boats for example?

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On 5/26/2018 at 7:46 AM, Coconuts.is said:

Yeah, but who knows the real story why this boat broke in half?

Apparently aluminium honeycomb , carbon fibre and salt water don't all go together .:unsure:

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6 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Correct me as I haven't researched this project other than I read he is racing this boat around the world on his own to break records? Don't know much about him and this design and yes it could well be on the start line in 2020 but not sure how competitive it would be against the newer VPLP boats for example?

Hey ! This guy has already done 1 VG (2008-2009) and he wants to be on the start line in 2020. I don't have much information about his design, it seems to be "pretty classic" (no foils) but I've been reading that his hull is made with volcanic fiber (how those guys catch these ideas ahah).

 

Voiles et Voiliers (French sailing newspaper) talk about this project there (unfortunately, no English version found...)

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/chantiers/la-fibre-de-roche-voila-lavenir/

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6 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Correct me as I haven't researched this project other than I read he is racing this boat around the world on his own to break records? Don't know much about him and this design and yes it could well be on the start line in 2020 but not sure how competitive it would be against the newer VPLP boats for example?

I don't think this boat would beat a foiler, specially for a race like VG (globally a downwind race with the southern areas) where the foilers are just rockets

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7 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Correct me as I haven't researched this project other than I read he is racing this boat around the world on his own to break records? Don't know much about him and this design and yes it could well be on the start line in 2020 but not sure how competitive it would be against the newer VPLP boats for example?

In fact, you're right, i've just read that he's going to try to break his own record in July ! so maybe no VG? Go check his FB page (Antartica lab)

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On 5/29/2018 at 6:08 AM, Baguette du Fromage said:

 I've been reading that his hull is made with volcanic fiber (how those guys catch these ideas ahah).

Voiles et Voiliers (French sailing newspaper) talk about this project there (unfortunately, no English version found...)

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/chantiers/la-fibre-de-roche-voila-lavenir/

link to machine  trans version, courtesy Tip and Shaft 

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Yep. The idea is that the material mix is both much less polluting and easier to recycle than the usual stuff.

The last promo tour for the material was on the "Open 16" across the Atlantic. That was mostly noted for being a bit slow (87 days one, 46 days the other way) and Haralds (the son) ability to take a beating. (Norbert bailed out of the original attempt.)

The current project through the North West Passage, Cape Horn twice and back home has been announced in 2015. Back then it was start in July 2018 with the return expected for February 2019.
Looks on schedule.

 

Is the boat part of the IMOCA class?

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Basalt seems to actually be mostly just a better fibre for some things. No real environmental advantages - just a different mix - less silica more iron and other stuff. Some claims that it is about as good as S glass. But once you have it in a composite layup the disposal problems are no better than any other fibre. The thing it seems to have going for it is that it has much lower viscosity when molten, and thus it is easier to create fine fibres with.

What it isn't is some way of taking rocks and turning them into fibres. You need a very specific basaltic rock, found in only a few places to work with. The fact that is came from a volcano with the mixture pretty much right makes it rather cool. But that is why only a few places have just the right mix.

There is no such thing as "just a rock".

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On 5/31/2018 at 11:31 AM, stief said:

Thanks for that link, Stief.

 

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On 6/1/2018 at 3:05 AM, Francis Vaughan said:

Basalt seems to actually be mostly just a better fibre for some things. No real environmental advantages - just a different mix - less silica more iron and other stuff. Some claims that it is about as good as S glass. But once you have it in a composite layup the disposal problems are no better than any other fibre. The thing it seems to have going for it is that it has much lower viscosity when molten, and thus it is easier to create fine fibres with.

What it isn't is some way of taking rocks and turning them into fibres. You need a very specific basaltic rock, found in only a few places to work with. The fact that is came from a volcano with the mixture pretty much right makes it rather cool. But that is why only a few places have just the right mix.

There is no such thing as "just a rock".

Just tease the fibres from this lava fall. Oh...you'll need to re-heat it to about 2,000 degrees F first. ;)

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Confucius say, "Had you a rock, like this shaped, would you try to skip it across the water?"

On the other hand, maybe it was, Yoda?

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1 hour ago, ALL@SEA said:

Seahorse says Sam Manuard to design the latest Hugo Boss?

Where did you see that ? That would be a major surprise 

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Yes but if he was also doing it for Alex T that would be a major surprise.

Manuard didn't do any Imoca yet, neither foils to my knowledge, and has a "small office".

 

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7 hours ago, yl75 said:

Yes but if he was also doing it for Alex T that would be a major surprise.

Manuard didn't do any Imoca yet, neither foils to my knowledge, and has a "small office".

 

Those were my thoughts too. It was in the "Snapshots" column... Not a lot of detail, and may've just been shit-stirring, but it caught my eye- and it wasn't dated April 1!

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8 hours ago, ALL@SEA said:

Those were my thoughts too. It was in the "Snapshots" column... Not a lot of detail, and may've just been shit-stirring, but it caught my eye- and it wasn't dated April 1!

Interesting, is there an online version?

I guess Manuard would be ready to invest himself really a lot in that compared to the more "established" ones.

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You'd have to think that Alex and Hugo Boss have done their homework if this is the case... I almost sent Alex Thompson Racing a facebook message to ask the question, but will just wait to see how information comes to light. He did say a while ago that they'd confirmed a designer, but only that he was French. That seemed to be deliberately a little mysterious. This is far more interesting gossip that a royal wedding! 

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There was talk that Manuard will work together with/get information from a design office who has Imoca experience from the past.

 

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Actually Tip and Shaft 1 may news;
On new boats, Charal (Jérémie Beyou) will be the first launched next summer, will follow in 2019 Arkéa-Paprec (Sebastien Simon) and Apivia (Charlie Dalin). Alex Thomson has, for his part, still not announced the choice of the architect and construction site where the future Hugo Boss will be built: "No news," he told us yesterday by email. There is little doubt, however, that VPLP won the order. According to our information, two other new Imoca projects are currently well advanced, but not yet financially secured: they would lead to the construction of a Verdier plan at Persico, Italy, and a Manuard plan in Hungary.

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If the VPLP and Verdier collaboration has run its course then that is two marriage partners to add to the list for Manuard, particularly the former. 

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Nah, other one :). And they just could be friends. You only need databases to get insight. Manuards Class 40 are doing very well. So its not a big step.

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Just through from Alex Thomson Racing,

British sailing team set to design and build brand new IMOCA 60 racing yacht ahead of 2020-2021 round-the-world Vendée Globe race.

French naval architectural firm VPLP Design, pioneers in foiling monohulls, appointed to deliver project.
 
Design phase now well under way, with build set to commence imminently.
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VPLP also confirms. Guess Tip and Shaft will have more details tomorrow ;)

 

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Alex is amazing... he manages to convince his sponsors to invest in a new boat each time. Hats off. 

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HB's press release:

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Alex Thomson Racing Partners with VPLP to Design New Multi-Million Pound Race Boat.

06 Jun 2018 by Joe Watson

British sailing team, Alex Thomson Racing, has announced plans to design and build a brand new 60ft IMOCA race boat for the 2020-2021 Vendée Globe race.

The boat, HUGO BOSS, will be designed by French naval architectural firm VPLP Design in conjunction with Alex Thomson Racing’s design and technical team, led by Peter Hobson. With the design phase now well under way, the boat build is set to commence later this month.

The announcement comes just six months after the UK-based ocean-racing team celebrated the renewal of its partnership with long-term sponsor HUGO BOSS, one of the most coveted partnerships in the sport of sailing. Together, Alex Thomson Racing and HUGO BOSS have broken numerous records, received countless accolades and enjoyed both second and third place finishes in the Vendée Globe, the gruelling non-stop, solo, unassisted race around the world.

For Thomson, a second place finish in the most recent edition of the race – which comes around just every four years – has helped position him among the favourites heading into the 2020-2021 race.

Thomson said: “This is a hugely important period for us. Everything we do over the coming months leads up to the Vendée Globe 2020 and so it’s vital that we put in place a team which has the expertise, and the passion, to deliver. I’m confident that we have done that.

“We wholeheartedly believe that – with the right minds and the right boat – we can become the first British team ever to win the Vendée Globe”.

Founded by Marc Van Peteghem and Vincent Lauriot-Prévost, France-based VPLP Design is made up of a team of naval architects and designers who, collectively, have helped to develop some of the world’s most successful and innovative racing boats. Among those were the winning boats in the last two editions of the Vendee Globe – Banque Populaire VIII and MACIF, raced by French skippers Armel Le Cléac’h and François Gabart respectively. VPLP also co-designed the current HUGO BOSS yacht, which Thomson raced to a second place podium position in the 2016-2017 Vendée Globe, breaking the British record at the finish line.

Ross Daniel, technical director at Alex Thomson Racing, said: “VPLP of coursehas a proven track of designing world class racing boats. As the first design office ever to make the move to foiling monohulls, they hold an unrivalled knowledge in what we know will prove to be the most crucial area of design within the next generation boats.

“But our decision to work with the firm was also based on who they are as people. The process of designing, building and launching a new boat is an incredibly complex one, which requires everyone involved to work collaboratively towards one common goal. We are confident that, together, we can build the very best boat in the fleet, one which is both wholly reliable and has the capability of winning a race as punishing as the Vendée Globe”.

http://www.alexthomsonracing.com/vplp/

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Given basically all the new VPLP foilers including Hugo boss fell apart in their first major race they are obviously doing something right with regard to client relations and the rest of the package that the same clients keep coming back.

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3 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

Given basically all the new VPLP foilers including Hugo boss fell apart in their first major race they are obviously doing something right with regard to client relations and the rest of the package that the same clients keep coming back.

Those skippers are smart enough to realise that there were a lot of unknowns and that VPLP learnt a lot from the first generation of foilers.

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That's a different plan view for sure..
Integrated bow sprit? But what are those lines that look like waterlines from a lines plan?
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Current Hugo Boss is in Toronto on a promo tour. Arrived Saturday from Montreal. They went for a sail this morning, and now tied up at Pier 4.

There is a meet and greet with Alex tomorrow night at the Boss flagship store on Bloor.

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1 hour ago, Starkindler said:

Current Hugo Boss is in Toronto on a promo tour. Arrived Saturday from Montreal. They went for a sail this morning, and now tied up at Pier 4.

There is a meet and greet with Alex tomorrow night at the Boss flagship store on Bloor.

There's HB, all right.

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