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Mike in CT

St. Martin Heineken health concerns

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A buddy of mine who works at Yale sent me this.

 

http://news.yale.edu/2013/12/20/yale-scientist-chikungunya-outbreak-may-become-major-us-public-health-problem?utm_source=website&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gsasnews-201312?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gsasnews-201311?utm_source=YNemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=yn-01-07-14

 

As I do most years I'm heading to St. Martin for the Heineken Regatta. this year we're bringing the kids so I'm a little more concerned than I would be if it was just me. Anyone hear anything about this? Is it just throw on some repellent and hit the beach, or something more serious?

 

 

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It's a real problem. As Dr. Fish noted it is not usually fatal but the real danger lies in proliferation of the disease by those who go to the island and then bring it home with them only to infect others.

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I've been to SM a bunch of times and I can't remember ever being bit by a mosquito, but I guess spraying on some Back Woods Off would be a good idea.

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Lots and lots of mosquitos in the lagoon, but this is the first I've heard of Dengue down there. Nasty fucking disease though; i had a crew with it in Costa Rica and it didn't kill him, but he sure wanted to die.

 

Wouldn't keep me from SXM but might make me slather up with the DEET at night.

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I've had it, (dengue) you don't want it. 20 years later, I still sometimes get a little reminder of the chills and fevers. It comes and goes quickly but my skin gets so sensitive and I get cold to the point of uncontrollable shivering. No amount of blankets or heat seems to help and you would think I was having an epileptic attack to witness. I pull the covers up over my head and any air moving on my body just sends me into more spasms.

 

I was in Trinidad hauled out for a hurricane season and dreaded the dengue there. A workcrew of four locals opened an in ground cistern for cleaning and got so bit and infected in less than a day they went straight to hemorrhagic fever and dead the next day. A good friend got the dengue hemorrhagic fever while in the boatyards and went to the local hospital in the middle of the night. They gave him IV drips and forgot to give him a catheter and by morning the combination of the fever and swelling and getting pumped full of fluids with no way to void gave him an encephalitus like brain pressure which had killed him by daylight when the real docs came on duty. Too late by then and his widow and I were shocked at how the hospital and local govt did their best to keep the story quiet. They didn't want the goose that laid the golden egg (yachting community) to get scared off by such nastiness. I caught busses all over town that morning only to find that his body had been whisked away to another hospital for autopsy and cremation before noon and with no permission or input from the widow. There had been a recent outbreak and quarentine on one of the little fishing Island near Margarita and that was kept on the low down as well.

 

If in St Martin, stay out of the lagoon and anchor well out in the trade winds and you should be fine but if you get the symptoms, get the next flight home while you can still walk! The locals don't call it 'break bone fever' for nothing!

 

Check this map, the STM report is listed.

 

http://www.healthmap.org/dengue/en/

 

http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/82989

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My daughter works in Central America where Dengue is pretty common. She and her friends use lots of bug spray even if it is to sit in the back yard.

 

Just be smart and do the same in SM.

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Lots and lots of mosquitos in the lagoon, but this is the first I've heard of Dengue down there. Nasty fucking disease though; i had a crew with it in Costa Rica and it didn't kill him, but he sure wanted to die.

 

Wouldn't keep me from SXM but might make me slather up with the DEET at night.

Its not actually Dengue thats the issue its this new chikungunya. A quick google search tells me that the issue is mainly on the french side. Not sure how long that can last.

 

I sail on a local boat that is on a mooring in simpson bay. the wife and kids will be at Mary's boone. right now I'm thinking hit them with the deet and stay out of the lagoon.

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Was going to be the cocky one to say that I have never had any health concerns with Heineken.

 

On second thought reading the above better not.

 

Stay safe.

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I've had it, (dengue) you don't want it. 20 years later, I still sometimes get a little reminder of the chills and fevers. It comes and goes quickly but my skin gets so sensitive and I get cold to the point of uncontrollable shivering. No amount of blankets or heat seems to help and you would think I was having an epileptic attack to witness. I pull the covers up over my head and any air moving on my body just sends me into more spasms.

 

I was in Trinidad hauled out for a hurricane season and dreaded the dengue there. A workcrew of four locals opened an in ground cistern for cleaning and got so bit and infected in less than a day they went straight to hemorrhagic fever and dead the next day. A good friend got the dengue hemorrhagic fever while in the boatyards and went to the local hospital in the middle of the night. They gave him IV drips and forgot to give him a catheter and by morning the combination of the fever and swelling and getting pumped full of fluids with no way to void gave him an encephalitus like brain pressure which had killed him by daylight when the real docs came on duty. Too late by then and his widow and I were shocked at how the hospital and local govt did their best to keep the story quiet. They didn't want the goose that laid the golden egg (yachting community) to get scared off by such nastiness. I caught busses all over town that morning only to find that his body had been whisked away to another hospital for autopsy and cremation before noon and with no permission or input from the widow. There had been a recent outbreak and quarentine on one of the little fishing Island near Margarita and that was kept on the low down as well.

 

If in St Martin, stay out of the lagoon and anchor well out in the trade winds and you should be fine but if you get the symptoms, get the next flight home while you can still walk! The locals don't call it 'break bone fever' for nothing!

 

Check this map, the STM report is listed.

 

http://www.healthmap.org/dengue/en/

 

http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/82989

Have had it as well, at least once, felt like I'd been beaten with a steel bar.

 

Apparently it gets more dangerous the more times you get it.

 

Use DEET, but be careful with that stuff as well, don't care what they say, but anything that melts plastic can't be good for you!!

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fucking hell. "“An outbreak of chikungunya on French-owned Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean during 2005 caused 255,000 cases, over one-third of the entire population, within one year. Since the Reunion outbreak, chikungunya has appeared in India causing millions of cases and in Italy, which has a temperate climate,” Fish notes."

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Not hard to avoid getting bitten. Go back to the hotel and hang in the A/c from just before sunset until a bit after. Drink early, nap, drink again late. Winning formula.

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problem is when you drink early and then no longer have so much control over your schedule. Drink early, nap, wake up covered in lipstick, bug bites, and missing two credit cards and a shirt. what then? ;)

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Not hard to avoid getting bitten. Go back to the hotel and hang in the A/c from just before sunset until a bit after. Drink early, nap, drink again late. Winning formula.

Any advice when you live and work in a hi-risk area?

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problem is when you drink early and then no longer have so much control over your schedule. Drink early, nap, wake up covered in lipstick, bug bites, and missing two credit cards and a shirt. what then? ;)

At that point you go back to the bar, borrow the bar phone, call a mate and start drinking again till he gets there.

 

He can settle the bar tab at the same time when he gets there.

 

 

How's that sound? :)

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Spent a lot of time in the Lagoon. Kid ALWAYS slept under a mosquito net unless the wind was over 12 to 15 at night. We always had repellent around as well. Lots of potential illness for a kid down there, including but not limited to mosquito borne maladies. However, some training and common sense will keep them safe. Areas where there are lots of mosquitos are of coarse near the swampier land and the scummier parts of town where there is a lot of standing water and sewage.

Also be aware that beaches where cruising boats are nearby are filthy. Not a place for kids. Carry antibacterial wipes to keep their hands clean and implore them to keep their hands away from their face.

No walking barefoot anywhere except on a nice clean beach. Seriously, I can't tell you how many bad staph infections I've seen on people that think they are immune and walk around the tropics barefoot. Carry something to disinfect wounds immediately with you. A minor scratch can get serious if you are not careful.

Not trying to scare you...just some care that needs to be taken. These things are certainly not anything that should keep them from going down there and having a big time playing in the beautiful water and sunshine.

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

 

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

 

See Ya'll there

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

 

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

 

See Ya'll there

Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

 

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

 

See Ya'll there

Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).

 

Cute, read it again (or not) and you might understand

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

 

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

 

See Ya'll there

Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).

 

Cute, read it again (or not) and you might understand

You say that as if "understanding" is something that anyone other than you might do.

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

 

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

 

See Ya'll there

Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).

Cute, read it again (or not) and you might understand

You say that as if "understanding" is something that anyone other than you might do.

Clearly you didn't understand the post.

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I've lived in the Caribbean for the last ten years, and had my first bout with Dengue a year ago - it sucks, really. I was never much bothered by itchy mosquito bites, so probably was a bit cavalier in protecting myself from the little bastards, but that has changed. Outbreaks seems to ebb and flow throughout the region, and there's broad speculation that the actual number of cases is much greater than what's reported by the various health departments because, A. Not everyone who gets sick goes to a doctor because there's not much they can do, and B. There's a lot of pressure from the tourism sector to not alarm/drive away potential visitors. BTW, it's not just here, check out the distribution map on Wikipedia for an eye-opener, pretty much the whole southeast US shows a "non-epidemic" occurrence.

 

The St. Martin French side Chikungunya outbreak has been reported locally, with the cautions to use similar prophylactic measures as Dengue. It's been pretty windy down here this winter, but I can't imagine the carrier mosquitos will stay exclusively on the French side for long.

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problem is when you drink early and then no longer have so much control over your schedule. Drink early, nap, wake up covered in lipstick, bug bites, and missing two credit cards and a shirt. what then? ;)

At that point you go back to the bar, borrow the bar phone, call a mate and start drinking again till he gets there.

 

He can settle the bar tab at the same time when he gets there.

 

 

How's that sound? :)

Was that you that rescued me in '09?

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It wouldn't be such a problem if the island started fogging again. But I guess if you spend money on that, where is the money going to come from for the local government officials to steal and squander???

 

I will be there tomorrow, probably in Jimbo's fighting off a shit ton of mozzies that the bar is known for. I'll report next week if I come down with anything...

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Just a reminder that both chikungunya and dengue are carried by DAYTIME mosquitoes and not the sods that come out in the early evening.

 

The daytime carrier variety can be identified by white bands on it's legs. These are clearly visible even after smashing the little buggers.

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Of course I have a Ben 40.7 chartered for the Heineken and the crew is ready to go airline tickets, rooms etc. I can get really worked up about this. Where does a person find the best information.

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Lots and lots of mosquitos in the lagoon, but this is the first I've heard of Dengue down there. Nasty fucking disease though; i had a crew with it in Costa Rica and it didn't kill him, but he sure wanted to die.

 

Wouldn't keep me from SXM but might make me slather up with the DEET at night.

 

We spent a month+ anchored in the Lagoon last Feb/March, don't recall seeing a single mosquito there. I also don't recall every needing or feeling the need for bug spray while there either.

 

Of course things could change in the 10 months since we've been there, but I've never heard much about a mosquito problem from anyone we know that has gone there. If mosquitoes were a big problem in the lagoon we'd have heard about it or seen it.

 

We left about a week before the Heineken last year.

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Not hard to avoid getting bitten. Go back to the hotel and hang in the A/c from just before sunset until a bit after. Drink early, nap, drink again late. Winning formula.

Problem with that is NOT having A/C and seeing sunset every night are two reasons why I go to the Caribbean!

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problem is when you drink early and then no longer have so much control over your schedule. Drink early, nap, wake up covered in lipstick, bug bites, and missing two credit cards and a shirt. what then? ;)

You have the next Direct TV commercial! Send it to them but if they use it I want a cut!!! :D

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Ive never had to use insect repellant in St Marten. Back in the day, you would see the truck driving down the road spraying the chemicals. Still, last I was there (2010), we stayed on a boat in the lagoon and didn't see one mosquito. Lucky I guess.

Just be smart and use repellant......you'll be ok.

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you could also walk outside the door right now and get run over by a car. just saying.

Don't forget just as easily falling off your boat and drowning as well.

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Was in the lagoon last season and I don't recall getting bitten once by mosquitos.

 

I found them WAY worse in Falmouth Harbour in Antigua - I'm pretty mosquito resistant - they bite but I don't really itch for more than a few hours, and these bites were bothering me for days.

 

Best course of action would be to not worry too much, and keep applying DEET.

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I have sailed Long Island Sound with Dr. Durland Fish, a buddy and former Entomology student at U. Florida. He told me he was deathly ill for 6 weeks and damn near died from malaria caught in Manaus, while his co-worker on the project, a PhD Entomologist, DID die from it. Guess why Fish is concerned about mosquito borne disease! If you pay attention, maybe you and or your kids won't get killed by these nasty mosquito-borne diseases. The mosquito that gives you the disease looks and acts JUST like the uninfected ones, and the bites are the same. SO there is now a new disease in the Western Hemisphere brought in by somebody on a commercial plane, who was then bitten by local mosquitoes. Brilliant.

 

Fortunately we do have "PERSONAL PROTECTION". DEET, which came from my lab at USDA in 1954, still works very well on Aedes mosquitoes including Aedes aegypti, helping with yellow fever, dengue and Chikungunya transmission, but NOT malaria. DEET does NOT deter malaria mosquitoes which are Anopheline species, like Anopheles gambiae. When I go to malarious areas, I use the Baeyer product PICARDIN, which does not dissolve paint, feels better on your skin, and is excellent at repelling both malaria mosquitoes (very rare in N. America) and Aedes species as well as Culex sp. like we have in North America. Johnson and Johnson sell it now too, but you have to read the tiny print to get the non-DEET stuff.

 

Getting mosquito bites because you are a "tough guy", or drunk on the floor is pretty much like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded revolver. Any SINGLE bite could give you or your friend or your kid a nasty potentially fatal disease. Risking it serves no purpose. And we need to keep this shit out of the rest of the Caribbean Islands and the USA. Write your Congressman / Senator today. Remember West Nile fever? It killed a bunch of people all over the USA, and is killing bald eagles out west as we speak.

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I have sailed Long Island Sound with Dr. Durland Fish, a buddy and former Entomology student at U. Florida. He told me he was deathly ill for 6 weeks and damn near died from malaria caught in Manaus, while his co-worker on the project, a PhD Entomologist, DID die from it. Guess why Fish is concerned about mosquito borne disease! If you pay attention, maybe you and or your kids won't get killed by these nasty mosquito-borne diseases. The mosquito that gives you the disease looks and acts JUST like the uninfected ones, and the bites are the same. SO there is now a new disease in the Western Hemisphere brought in by somebody on a commercial plane, who was then bitten by local mosquitoes. Brilliant.

 

Fortunately we do have "PERSONAL PROTECTION". DEET, which came from my lab at USDA in 1954, still works very well on Aedes mosquitoes including Aedes aegypti, helping with yellow fever, dengue and Chikungunya transmission, but NOT malaria. DEET does NOT deter malaria mosquitoes which are Anopheline species, like Anopheles gambiae. When I go to malarious areas, I use the Baeyer product PICARDIN, which does not dissolve paint, feels better on your skin, and is excellent at repelling both malaria mosquitoes (very rare in N. America) and Aedes species as well as Culex sp. like we have in North America. Johnson and Johnson sell it now too, but you have to read the tiny print to get the non-DEET stuff.

 

Getting mosquito bites because you are a "tough guy", or drunk on the floor is pretty much like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded revolver. Any SINGLE bite could give you or your friend or your kid a nasty potentially fatal disease. Risking it serves no purpose. And we need to keep this shit out of the rest of the Caribbean Islands and the USA. Write your Congressman / Senator today. Remember West Nile fever? It killed a bunch of people all over the USA, and is killing bald eagles out west as we speak.

Does PICARDIN work with other mosquitos or just malarial mosquitos?

Are there other alternatives to DEET?

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For MAD: Picardin is pretty good at repelling all mosquito species: Baeyer's chemists were aware of the USDA patents on a number of good piperidines (600 were synthesized), and changed structure of one slightly to make the new structure Picardin, which they then patented. There are scientific papers on all this science.

 

My quote- When I go to malarious areas, I use the Baeyer product PICARDIN, which does not dissolve paint, feels better on your skin, and is excellent at repelling both malaria mosquitoes (Anophelines are rare in N. America), and Aedes species as well as Culex sp. like we have in North America. Johnson and Johnson sell it now too, but you have to read the tiny print to get the non-DEET stuff.

 

Alternatives to DEET: yes, like some natural products (lemon grass oil, etc.) that evaporate and are then gone in 20 minutes, needing reapplication. DEET and Picardin can last 8 hours per treatment and still be effective. Or you can do what the U.S Marine Corps. do- treat BDU clothing with Permethrin, a mosquito toxicant, that stays in cotton and cotton-blend uniforms for many washings. I did the early analytical work on this system, first tested by the Rhodesians against ticks.

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I've done Heineken for the past 6 years. Most of the sailing is on the Dutch side and the sailing on the French side is not out in the marshes or shallow water areas. I believe most of the infections are in the area of the shallow waters and marshes on the north/ French side. I think most of us will be fine.

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Found a great photo of actual Dengue virus. Sinister, goblin looking thing

 

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I sent a note to the person we are chartering our boat from and he received this email from the race director.

 

Hi Pete,

 

Thank you for contacting us regarding this matter. The Tourism Office sent out a press release regarding this matter a little while ago, but will send out another one soon as a lot of people are worried and the last thing we need is to get less visitors because of it. We’re trying to do some damage control!

 

Chikungunya is a little more severe than dengue, but not as bad as the media makes it sound. Your reply is exactly right! The government is doing a lot of fogging in the areas where cases have been confirmed and preventively all other areas too. So far no tourists have been infected.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

Michele Korteweg – Regatta Director

St. Maarten Heineken Regatta | 6 March - 9 March 2014

 

Regatta office

The Sint Maarten Yacht Club

Welfare Road 90, Simpson Bay, St. Maarten

 

Phone: +1 (721) 544-2079
Cell: +1 (721) 581-5017

Skype: regattadirector

URL: www.heinekenregatta.com

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Just got back from SXM. I did get bitten a shitload. Fortunately I missed out on Chikungunya. I asked around Simpson Bay Marina and no one knew of any cases of it.

This is all Clean stirring the pot on a slow news day.

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Soley - I really don't see how providing a link to a fresh AP story, exactly on point for this thread, is just stirring the pot? Glad you didn't contract Chikungunya or Dengue after getting bitten a shitload in SXM, but with all due respect, there IS a bit of a problem in many of the islands with these mosquito born diseases, and disseminating information about the problem is the right thing to do in my opinion. No need to change travel plans unless you're an absolute compulsive worrywart, but awareness and simple precautions will tip the odds greatly in your favor.

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Well all the people I spoke to believe that the News organisations are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yes people are getting chikungunya but at no faster rate than dengue for the last 8 years.

Also a large proportion of people contracting either disease is generally a local population who live in less than ideal conditions. One of the most popular un-natural habitats for mosquitoes to breed in is discarded tyres that pool water. For some reason, locals in St Maarten like to stock up on old tyres for a rainy day....

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I called the CDC, soley. Sorry your scientific 'asking people at the dock' didn't turn up what they have, or that your 'all the people you spoke to' think the media are somehow misreporting what is actually going on. I'm sure your 'survey' respondents don't have any reason to downplay the disease. BTW, they added another 100 case reports over the past two days from SXM.

 

According to the CDC it is not a mountain out of a molehill, largely because Chiki has shown the ability to infect and spread a lot faster than Dengue for whatever reason. You fucking bitches that complain we are stirring the pot should make sure you tell any sailors that get this nasty disease that you did your best to dissuade folks like us from warning them.

 

For what it's worth, I'll still go because i love St. Martin. But you can be damned sure I will be bringing some very good bug spray and wearing far more clothes than i usually do down there. I have watched a crewmate descend into a pretty awful place on Dengue and I will not be going to the same place merely because I like sailboat racing, or because I listen to some dickhead who 'spoke to people who said it was all bullshit'.

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Clean definitely likes to stir the pot, but this sounds like it is something to take seriously. This regatta is probably the only thing on my bucket list. This would not stop me form attending, if I could, but I would take the warnings seriously..... YMMV

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St. Maarten Heineken Regatta We understand your concerns about the Chikungunya virus however a very small amount of cases have been reported on Island. The Sint Maarten Government are in the process of fogging the island to reduce the mosquito's and the will also release an official statement regarding this soon. We will do our best to ensure that all information we receive will be passed onto to our fans and participants. No extreme measures need to be taken at this time as it is not considered an outbreak with the very few cases reported at present.

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Chikungunya means "that which bends up" in the Kimako language of Mozambique

 

I woke up this morning and thought I had Chikungunya, but it was just the usual morning wood!

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Leaving for St Martin tomorrow to go cruising on a charter cat. I was there for 2013 Heineken and on St Barts for the Les Voiles. I don't remember seeing a mosquito or getting bitten. We'll just lather on the Deet and take our chances.

 

The chances of getting it are slim but real. The population on St Martin is 80,000. Figure the virus has been there at least a month and they have 200 confirmed cases. So if you were there for the last month, you had a .25% chance of getting it (1 in 400). Of course, it is probably getting more prevalent which increases the chances, but we'll be more cautious than most and only on St Martin for 3-4 days so chances drop significantly. They have also increased fogging to kill the mosquitos.

 

I haven't heard anything about Anguilla but St Barts has a handful of reported cases. I think we'll be OK. Chances of getting a nasty hangover are much much greater.

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FYI, three cases of Chikungunya were reported on Jost Van Dyke in the BVI this week, joining St. Martin, St. Barths, Guadeloupe & Martinique, according to the VI Daily News.

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Clean, did the CDC give you a breakdown of demographics as to who has contracted chikugunya? Tourists vs residents? This disease so far has impacted locals far more than tourists. Going back to my point about living conditions on the island. Oh and I am sure everybody knows about the problem because A: Sailors gossip wore than old house maids B: Scare mongers rarely leave a stone unturned.

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CDC said none of the newest cases I ref'd in the most recent article were amongst people who traveled in the past 3 months.

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Any updates on this topic? I have a charter in March lined up. After Heiniken.

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We were warned about this when I was in the BVI's in Oct. I was all over the BVI for 10 days and not a sigh of any pesky fliers. Only time you have to worry about them is during the day when there is no wind.

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Jeez, you guys better not go sailing round Hilton Head, all sorts of flying biting critters of the mosquito variety, biting spider bastards, and freaking gators that even include a 12 foot bugger swimming ashore out of the sea at the lower end of South Beach - didn't even return the hire board!

 

Deet and those backwoods sprays seemed effective as did one of those fog spray things in a can from Walmart or Publix. Having the foliage sprayed commercially works for about 3 days or until precipitation arrives...

Citronella not as good as a decent Cuban cigar from what I have seen

 

Hate the noseeums more than anything but the spiders poison the area they bite badly.

 

Buy a gecko or a lizard, train it to smoke Cubans and operate a fog spray, sorted!

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Just curious but WTF does this have to do with this thread? Are you talking about Hilton Head, SC???

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Don't feed the retard please. Fucking n00b is a plague.

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Don't feed the retard please. Fucking n00b is a plague.

Well, well, Clean just can't fucking resist!

 

But, yes, 'twas HHI SC and its fucking pests I was referring to.

Trouble is, by the look of it, it has brought another pest out of the woodwork, this time I think it's one of them palmetto bugs.

 

Dunno what the issue if for you 'big buoys' on here, but if you want to start another shitfest kleen so be it.

 

As I have stated before, left alone, fine...you and your 'pals' want a fight, bring it on dweebs it's only words after all. SA, more arseholes than a political convention, most of them seem to follow a particular format that is about as effective as a third tit on a witch or a chocolate teapot. Having you on here popping off at any noob is like being savaged by the dead sheep around the edge of life, as for you kleen, are you sure that by being on here you are not depriving some village of its idiot?

Fucking keyboard warriors, get a life.

THERE WE ARE THEN SEE?!

 

Edit: forgot to add...BRO!

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Back to the serious side of this thread.

 

Looked for myself on the CDC site, suggest you do the same guys...

 

Your 'chicki' is not only spread throughout the Caribbean it is also in the Americas and Florida being only 11 cases transmitted locally as opposed to by travel being 384 cases in 2014. Perspective, not many but a risk?

 

Search CDC chickungunya virus, it's their information I have quoted.

 

Truce?

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Wow, all this on a thread from last yr. Geez.....

 

Beer, popcorn

 

Check

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Deet, citronella, gecko, garlic tabs, Cuban cigars...

 

Check

And don't forget regular vinegar douche.

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Deet, citronella, gecko, garlic tabs, Cuban cigars...

Check

And don't forget regular vinegar douche.

Nice, but the wrong end of a rag mans trumpet has a more lasting effect in high humidity climates...

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Being originally from Jamaica where Chikungunya (Chik V) has spread along with pretty much all the rest of the Caribbean it seems that it is far more communicable than dengue so basically over a several month span from the summer on (i.e. start of the rainy season) everybody got it, but:

 

(1) once you get it evidently you're resistant so maybe you, the visitor, gets saved by the local population's herd immunity. having said that I don't know how long it stays in the mosquitoes.

 

(2) it isn't nearly as bad as dengue. Dengue is serious illness for several weeks while Chik V is a tired ass flu, rash, and joint pain. The worst part is the joint pain often remains for some time. I went to Jamaica over Xmas and a lot of my friends were complaining about their particular "Chik V" joint. It seems to hunt out your particular "trick" joint to fasten it's teeth into.

 

You still don't want to get it so do the normal shit to avoid getting bitten. I got bit a few times but the only thing i got sick with was a cold. Having said that it's a little less rainy now and a tad cooler so that probably helps.

 

It is spread by the same mosquito as dengue i.e. the Aedes Aegyptii which is the one with white markings.

 

Wikipedia is your friend...

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Don't feed the retard please. Fucking n00b sockpuppet is a plague.

 

fixed

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Yawn, Zzzzzzzzzzz....

 

You big buoys are getting predicktably boring, makes me wonder who the actual Trolls are around here.

 

Never mind, provides for a bit of interest when things get sleepy.

 

You want to hold at that or throw your toys out of the pram again girls?

 

Your serve...

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Yawn, Zzzzzzzzzzz....

You big buoys are getting predicktably boring, makes me wonder who the actual Trolls are around here.

Never mind, provides for a bit of interest when things get sleepy.

You want to hold at that or throw your toys out of the pram again girls?

Your serve...

Let me put it a different way as you guys have not yet worked it out.

 

Joined SA way before I started posting.

First post, you lot then came out of the traps slinging effluvium like an explosion in a cess pit.

Fine, you get your rocks off traditionally abusing the newbies, but call me what I was called initially and/or or insult the missus'....

Well, you have seen the response to that

So what do you want to do Clean?

I address it to you as the other girls seem to follow your lead in prolonging things

I will keep going as long as you keep throwing, so what's it to be, you want to cease hostilities and we all live and disagree or agree as per any norm or do you really want to keep this going?

I personally don't give a shit as having got through a few threats including a twat with loaded weapons, words don't particularly bother me too much.

I await your response without fear or mental reservation of any kind...;)

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No one cares, HTFU.

Yawn, Zzzzzzz......

There We Are Then See!

 

 

Yawn, Zzzzzzzzzzz....

You big buoys are getting predicktably boring, makes me wonder who the actual Trolls are around here.

Never mind, provides for a bit of interest when things get sleepy.

You want to hold at that or throw your toys out of the pram again girls?

Your serve...

Let me put it a different way as you guys have not yet worked it out.

Joined SA way before I started posting.

First post, you lot then came out of the traps slinging effluvium like an explosion in a cess pit.

Fine, you get your rocks off traditionally abusing the newbies, but call me what I was called initially and/or or insult the missus'....

Well, you have seen the response to that

So what do you want to do Clean?

I address it to you as the other girls seem to follow your lead in prolonging things

I will keep going as long as you keep throwing, so what's it to be, you want to cease hostilities and we all live and disagree or agree as per any norm or do you really want to keep this going?

I personally don't give a shit as having got through a few threats including a twat with loaded weapons, words don't particularly bother me too much.

I await your response without fear or mental reservation of any kind...;)

Oh well!

Yawn, Zzzzz.......

There We Are Then See!

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Heineken starts in 2 weeks. Can't wait for a week out of the northeast. This is one long February.

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Any updates on this topic? I have a charter in March lined up. After Heiniken.

Good luck.

My wife and I were in the Caribbean last May along with another couple. Antigua, St. Martin, Dominica... Both the women came home with chikungunya. My wife still has joint pain.

 

It can be bad or it can be mild.

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Any updates on this topic? I have a charter in March lined up. After Heiniken.

Good luck.

My wife and I were in the Caribbean last May along with another couple. Antigua, St. Martin, Dominica... Both the women came home with chikungunya. My wife still has joint pain.

 

It can be bad or it can be mild.

 

I've heard that. I really think, being on a boat all day, that the chances of being bitten are small. Sunrise and sunset are the worst, and usually at sunset, we're back at the room getting in shape for the evening festivities.

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Any updates on this topic? I have a charter in March lined up. After Heiniken.

Good luck.

My wife and I were in the Caribbean last May along with another couple. Antigua, St. Martin, Dominica... Both the women came home with chikungunya. My wife still has joint pain.

 

It can be bad or it can be mild.

 

I've heard that. I really think, being on a boat all day, that the chances of being bitten are small. Sunrise and sunset are the worst, and usually at sunset, we're back at the room getting in shape for the evening festivities.

 

We were down there in December, about the same circuit, and we were really careful about bug repellent-especially sunrise & sunset. didn't have any problems, but it was definitely going around.

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Any updates on this topic? I have a charter in March lined up. After Heiniken.

Good luck.

My wife and I were in the Caribbean last May along with another couple. Antigua, St. Martin, Dominica... Both the women came home with chikungunya. My wife still has joint pain.

 

It can be bad or it can be mild.

 

I've heard that. I really think, being on a boat all day, that the chances of being bitten are small. Sunrise and sunset are the worst, and usually at sunset, we're back at the room getting in shape for the evening festivities.

 

The only time the women were ashore and exposed was during the day. We did not do "night life" and sunrise and sunset all were on the boat. Never saw or heard a mosquito on the boat.

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Been down in virgins and SM since Fed 10. Have got a few bites and no probs yet. Does not seem to be a big issue. Drink a lot of Rum and you will be fine.

First time in St Maarten and the places rocks. Staying in Simpson Bay . Food and Booze very reasonable and a very friendly vibe.

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Just came back from St. Maarten. 2 weeks. 6 people. No bites. I think you can catch something nasty from the Croatian strippers though.

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fucking hell. "“An outbreak of chikungunya on French-owned Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean during 2005 caused 255,000 cases, over one-third of the entire population, within one year. Since the Reunion outbreak, chikungunya has appeared in India causing millions of cases and in Italy, which has a temperate climate,” Fish notes."

 

In Italy we are talking about 10 cases in 2014, all of them with history of caribbean travel. It seems a bit too much alarmism to me.

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Ima test it out surely next week cause I'm always forgettin to put on bug spray

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Last year I worked in the Caribb’ zone blissfully unaware of said virus, with not many problems, but not until we hit Haiti did mosquitos become more of an issue…. They are of course everywhere - Florida down to Venezuela and beyond.

The real problems with Chikungunya infection rates soared once I’d left….

PRs bounce came back end of summer 2014… (see below)

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My boss’s wife went down with the bug late Oct in the Dominican Rep’. Being young she survived the 3 day high fever easy, but the joint pain took some months to shift, it lingered in her wrists for much longer.

A yank solo cruiser we met at Salinas Marina this year claimed he’d just got over it, but insomnia and sleep problems were persisting… this was this year during late Jan.

However while anchored in the Salinas estuary near the mangrove masses the mosquitos were at their very worst, even with copious amounts of OFF! applied we all got multiple cluster bites while hauling anchor at 06:00…

Back of legs and core body arms/shoulders their preferred bite points.

Nets, and mesh window porthole/hatch mosquito screens are sensible boat extras while in cruising the tropics.

Being at sea you have zilch problems, good reason to be out there methinks, rather than doing little ashore.

Feb/March is the best time to avoid the main problems in the region… but come end of summer, much more vigilant you’ll need to be. I suspect the infection rates this year will be even greater than during 2013/14. As the global recession grinds on it’s a given.

We have the genetic tech to rid the world of these pesky insects, why we don’t just do it… heaven knows?

http://mendelspod.com/podcast/commercializing-genetically-altered-mosquito-interview-hadyn-parry-oxitec/

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