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F1 2014 Big Changes

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So Ron Dennis is Back in at McLaren, odds that Ross Brawn will follow?

Never did care for Whitmarsh a little too vapid

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula-one/25766407

 

Gene Haas thinking about getting in the game.

Tony will have to lose a couple of pounds to fit in the cockpit !!!

 

McLaren unveils in a week the rest will be day 1 at Jerez.

Should be an interesting year!

VM

 

 

 

 

 

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YAWN

 

When rubber meets the road, we'll see how the upcoming season looks.

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Good for ron. Hope he can help. Really bad year last year at least for them. I think its going to be a ferrari red bull battle with a small chance for mclaren and mercedes to be as fast. I hope lotus get soemthing started before end of year.

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Lotus just announced a deal with Saxo Bank that when coupled with the PDVSA money Pastor Crashanado brings with puts them in pretty good stead.

 

In other news Kamui Kobayashi is back in F1 with Caterham and Paul DiResta is returning to DTM Touring Cars.

 

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No title sponsor for McLaren so far. That's a hit to the pocketbook.

Unless they are keeping in secret until the 24th

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I'm eager to see what Ron can do this go round.

 

I also think there is a lot of speed potential in Mercedes still, but this year is gonna be a free for all with all the changes.

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What is interesting is Ron's return virtually guarantees FA will not come back to McLaren. It is still hard to bet against Adrian Newey. The guy is just better than the rest.

 

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What is interesting is Ron's return virtually guarantees FA will not come back to McLaren. It is still hard to bet against Adrian Newey. The guy is just better than the rest.

 

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Someone is likely to get it closer to right than the others on all the changes and be dominate this season. Smart money would bet on Newey. One of Seb's oft described talents is to adapt his driving to the car and that implies a shorter driver learning curve for the new ERS, aero effects and fuel economy requirements.

 

Speaking of fuel economy, what driver/team is likely to get that wrong first and come to a halt one lap from the end?

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What is interesting is Ron's return virtually guarantees FA will not come back to McLaren. It is still hard to bet against Adrian Newey. The guy is just better than the rest.

 

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Someone is likely to get it closer to right than the others on all the changes and be dominate this season. Smart money would bet on Newey. One of Seb's oft described talents is to adapt his driving to the car and that implies a shorter driver learning curve for the new ERS, aero effects and fuel economy requirements.

 

Speaking of fuel economy, what driver/team is likely to get that wrong first and come to a halt one lap from the end?

Better not be Caterham or it sounds like Tony F is going to pull the plug.

Heres a prediction. Caterham fails to get a point this year, Tony F pulls the plug and Gene Haas picks up the pieces and Tony S gets an F1 seat.

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What is interesting is Ron's return virtually guarantees FA will not come back to McLaren. It is still hard to bet against Adrian Newey. The guy is just better than the rest.

 

MS

 

Newey is unbeatable!! I hope he gets involved with the AC, once he gets the new F1 design parameters sorted out.....

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I don't think he can fit in an f1 seat.

 

Not a joke. Back when Mansell/Prost were on the same team the physical size difference was good for a couple seconds a lap. On Mansell's return some team (done remember who) had to produce a Mansell model chassis. Tiny Stewart ain't going to F1. Those cars are tiny <- bitter because jib can't fit.

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I don't think he can fit in an f1 seat.

 

Not a joke. Back when Mansell/Prost were on the same team the physical size difference was good for a couple seconds a lap. On Mansell's return some team (done remember who) had to produce a Mansell model chassis. Tiny Stewart ain't going to F1. Those cars are tiny <- bitter because jib can't fit.

Yep. My 6'2" with size 14 feet racer wannabe son thinks it's a plot.

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Williams shows off the first anteater nose....fugly

 

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25859150

 

 

Same as new boats. I thought the Nonsuch was weird at first, but we kicked as against traditional boats while sailing in the Virgin Islands because all 30 feet is waterline. Same with the Northeast 400; fugly at first, until you realize what a performance motor-sailer can really do, while having a huge and livable interior. We don't like change, until we get used to it...

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Pretty cool looking aero package on that one!!

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I don't think he can fit in an f1 seat.

 

Not a joke. Back when Mansell/Prost were on the same team the physical size difference was good for a couple seconds a lap. On Mansell's return some team (done remember who) had to produce a Mansell model chassis. Tiny Stewart ain't going to F1. Those cars are tiny <- bitter because jib can't fit.

Yep. My 6'2" with size 14 feet racer wannabe son thinks it's a plot.

Your Large son has far more professional sports oppotunities that a smaller guy.

90% of Men's sports favor a large body.

 

There is always Nascar or NHRA

 

 

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New McLaren MP4-29

 

butt-magn-vand-mcla-mp429-2014-886x626.j

 

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As was previously posted I guess the new noses are just different however I think the mclaren is the prettiest so far

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Other than they all have long noses required by the new rule, there are some differing approaches to aero showing up. Be interesting to see if they start to type form before Malaysia (presuming Albert Park doesn't provide a really good evaluation of aero).

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I actually like the look of the Lotus and McLaren. Williams is going to take some getting used to. Ineresting how they have developed the front aero packages, and the small rear wings, which are not really that new.

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Other than they all have long noses required by the new rule, there are some differing approaches to aero showing up. Be interesting to see if they start to type form before Malaysia (presuming Albert Park doesn't provide a really good evaluation of aero).

 

It's gonna be hard to pin point it I think with all the new variables.

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the maclaren looks the bets so far to my eyes. I like the silver. come on ferrari! show us what you got!

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Other than they all have long noses required by the new rule, there are some differing approaches to aero showing up. Be interesting to see if they start to type form before Malaysia (presuming Albert Park doesn't provide a really good evaluation of aero).

 

It's gonna be hard to pin point it I think with all the new variables.

Agreed. You can bet any team with money will be building solid models for the competition and running CFD within the next week to see if someone looks like they got it "more right" than others.

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Other than they all have long noses required by the new rule, there are some differing approaches to aero showing up. Be interesting to see if they start to type form before Malaysia (presuming Albert Park doesn't provide a really good evaluation of aero).

 

It's gonna be hard to pin point it I think with all the new variables.

Agreed. You can bet any team with money will be building solid models for the competition and running CFD within the next week to see if someone looks like they got it "more right" than others.

 

 

Unquestionably.

 

 

 

dubbed the "vagina nose" by jalopnik.

 

http://jalopnik.com/meet-the-lotus-e22-and-its-vagina-nose-1508065286

 

lulz.

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Also note the "Your ad here!" livery.

 

 

Where? Not seeing that? Love the ads with Tony Stewart doing the split!! Was J. Button the other bloke in that?

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Also note the "Your ad here!" livery.

 

 

Where? Not seeing that? Love the ads with Tony Stewart doing the split!! Was J. Button the other bloke in that?

 

Yep.

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Also note the "Your ad here!" livery.

 

 

Where? Not seeing that? Love the ads with Tony Stewart doing the split!! Was J. Button the other bloke in that?

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Holy shit!

 

This years cars have been with the ugly stick.....HARD!

 

IOR meets F1.

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The new Williams F1

Gonzo2.jpg

 

+1

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Boats with wide transoms, no sheer and no overhangs were ugly until they started beating all of us. If it wins under the rules, it'll become become beautiful.

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^^ Not RBR^^ Torro Rosso. The whole Gonzo look must be 'in" this year.

cudos to the scuderiea for bucking convention and doing the dust buster thing tho.

Whats the bets on the first condom manufacturer to pick up a sponsorship?

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I thought the steps on the fuselage nose were stupid last year

 

what rule are the teams trying to beat this year - a min length?

 

I bet the stupid noses are gone by race three

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the rules were changed to lower the noses so the cars would look better.

OK- well, that worked good then...

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the rules were changed to lower the noses so the cars would look better.

OK- well, that worked good then...

IIRC, the noses come from a lower nose and a minimum length. I think the nose height and projection was, coupled with smaller wings that make it harder to turn air outside the tires are part of reducing downforce a bit to keep speeds from continuing to climb. The nose was also billed as a way to cut back on damage/driver risk in a 90 degree impact with another car. I don't see how the (predicted) gonzo nose will reduce driver risk but I guess the high nose was a risk for impact on the driver and not the car body.

 

Overall, some interesting approaches to aero under the rules.

 

I want to see how engine reliability and fuel consumption work out. The turbo V6 with braking and thermo ERS for 740 hp out of 1.6 liters at a mandatory 5 +- mpg impresses me a lot if they can get it right.

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OK Yep because of the new regulations the new F1 cars have a phallic shape.

 

 

Have a good giggle? Time to move on and come up with something better than penis jokes people.

 

 

Now in a more serious note....The new rules proves that control F1 has to be wrestled away from the Europeans.

 

The new engine rules strangle innovation which is what F1 is all about.

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New noses are supposed to prevent car launching (doing a Webber) in the event of a collision. Both RBR and Mercedes don't look too bad comparatively speaking. However the Mercedes probably does not look too good right now as Hamilton has just put it in the wall at Jerez

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Boats with wide transoms, no sheer and no overhangs were ugly until they started beating all of us. If it wins under the rules, it'll become become beautiful.

 

 

Truer words, I have never heard.....

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I want to see how engine reliability and fuel consumption work out. The turbo V6 with braking and thermo ERS for 740 hp out of 1.6 liters at a mandatory 5 +- mpg impresses me a lot if they can get it right.

 

I think this is gonna be the biggest disparity in the teams that do and don't.

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New noses are supposed to prevent car launching (doing a Webber) in the event of a collision. Both RBR and Mercedes don't look too bad comparatively speaking. However the Mercedes probably does not look too good right now as Hamilton has just put it in the wall at Jerez

Reports the the front wing came off prior to leaving the track. Not good.

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that is a much better pic.

 

is that really a radiator? I'd think it would get clogged with clag pretty quickly. at least Ricciardo might have that problem. seb not so much if he pulls away from the rest of the field this year like he did last. :D

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The new Caterham is wacky looking

+100

Thats being polite!!

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Redbull_RB10_AgressiveLow_copy.jpg

 

Interesting. A big ole rad under the nose

 

MS

You don't see than in the real pics. Only the renderings. Hmmm

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You don't see than in the real pics. Only the renderings. Hmmm

um yea - that's a lot of air blockage over the huge splitter plate -

not buying it

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This is interesting. They are calling them Blockers and they create a low pressure area that helps accelerate air across the diffuser. They are part of the suspension and are designed to improve low speed downforce and decrease high speed drag.

 

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341

 

MS

Seems to work JB had a good day for a change

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This is interesting. They are calling them Blockers and they create a low pressure area that helps accelerate air across the diffuser. They are part of the suspension and are designed to improve low speed downforce and decrease high speed drag.

 

1391001327.jpg

 

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341

 

MS

 

 

Interesting idea. They are actually the suspension arms.

 

I am curious about how they expect to maintain a consistent airflow over what are moveable pieces. Their movement in relation to the airflow and each other would be extremely difficult to replicate and adjust across the spectrum

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This is interesting. They are calling them Blockers and they create a low pressure area that helps accelerate air across the diffuser. They are part of the suspension and are designed to improve low speed downforce and decrease high speed drag.

 

1391001327.jpg

 

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341

 

MS

 

 

Interesting idea. They are actually the suspension arms.

 

I am curious about how they expect to maintain a consistent airflow over what are moveable pieces. Their movement in relation to the airflow and each other would be extremely difficult to replicate and adjust across the spectrum

 

 

Explained

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Is history repeating itself?

 

2009:

Honda withdraws from F1, at the end of a miserable 2008 season. Dramatic rule changes are being implemented, and Brawn F1 shows up at first pre-season testing with a car without any title sponsor, but with a unique double diffuser improving downforce. Brawn is unexpectedly topping the timesheets on two of the four days of testing. Jenson Button eventually becomes 2009 world champion.

 

2014:

Vodafone withdraws from F1, at the end of a miserable 2013 season. Dramatic rule changes are being implemented, and McLaren shows up at first pre-season testing with a car without any title sponsor, but with a unique rear suspension improving downforce. McLaren is unexpectedly topping the timesheets on two of the four days of testing. To be continued ...

 

 

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Massa P1 on day 4 at Jerez. More tough sledding for RBR.

 

Times
01 Massa Williams 1:28.229 86 laps
02 Alonso Ferrari 1:29.145 +0.916 115 laps
03 Juncadella Force India 1:29.457 +1.228 81 laps
04 Magnussen McLaren 1:30.806 +2.577 110 laps
05 Hamilton Mercedes 1:30.822 +2.593 41 laps
06 Bianchi Marussia 1:32.222 +3.993 25 laps
07 Sutil Sauber 1:36.571 +8.342 69 laps
08 Rosberg Mercedes 1:36.951 +8.722 91 laps
09 Kobayashi Caterham 1:43.193 +14.964 54 laps
10 Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:44.016 +15.787 9 laps
11 Ricciardo Red Bull 1:45.374 +17.145 7 laps

 

MS

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It's a good reshuffle of the F1 deck. The Frogpower teams have some issues especially Red Bull.

 

I'm optimistic that there will be some excitement this year and good racing as well.

 

There's going to be a lot of changes before Shanghai has wrapped up.

 

I wonder if there's a betting line on fires yet.

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With the new engine formula(Bleh) this season will be all about who makes the best motor and less about aero and setup.

 

I expect a MB vs Ferrari battle.

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Clearly F1 is trying to broaden their fan base to get higher fees from TV rights by attracting more women to the sport :)

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^^^ not too shabby That was a 2.3 sec stop from a couple of yrs ago. RBR did a 1.9 last year in Melbourne for Mark Webber

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