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I agree with the boring comments - when watching an on-board lap with Kyvat before qualifying, it looked more like CGI than real life. Turn 3 is pretty cool, but otherwise very uninteresting.

 

The other thing that really got me was Putin in the cool-down room with Hamilton, Rosberg, Bottas and the Mercedes rep - and six girls straight out of porn. Putin asking the drivers how much weight they lose each race. I'm surprised he didn't do a lap!

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I agree, interesting angle but does Haas have the money for a driver of Alonso's stature?

 

Haas doesn't have to. Like Maldonado and some of the other guys at the rear of the field, Alonso comes with money. Santander basically bought him the seat at Ferrari. Movistar is rumored to be ready with money, too.

That's one interesting thing about F-1 money. At the back of the pack you get the "Daddy's money" wannabe heroes like Crashdor. At the front, a driver brings in more sponsorship money than he gets in salary. It the middle of the pack where the driver money is a problem.

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Even with sponsors money, Haas' F1 team most likely will not be competitive for a while. Alonso wants to win now, he doesn't have many more years left in the game so won't wait around. Besides, in 2016, Hamilton's seat can/will be available at Mercedes.

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I thought the race was boring too but I think that was the result of the tire choices, not the track.

 

and rosberg pulled off a hamiliton-like recovery. :)

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Even with sponsors money, Haas' F1 team most likely will not be competitive for a while. Alonso wants to win now, he doesn't have many more years left in the game so won't wait around. Besides, in 2016, Hamilton's seat can/will be available at Mercedes.

 

Why is that, cheffie?

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Alonso wants to win now, he doesn't have many more years left in the game so won't wait around.

 

Winning is going to very difficult for Alonso. Best chances are Mercedes or Williams. Maybe Massa is ready for retirement?

 

Everybody keeps talking about MacLaren/Honda, but McLaren have Mercedes power and are not competitive. How much difference is Honda going to make? Does anybody really think that Honda will outperform the Mercedes power unit AND that McLaren at the same time are able to improve the chassis significantly?

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Hamilton is out of contract at the end of next season so there is a possibility his seat could be available. Not likely at this point but lots can happen in the next 12 months.

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The way Massa has been beaten by Bottas this season makes me wonder if he is at his expiration date. However, Alonso cryptically said last week that he won't be driving a Mercedes powered car next year IIRC.

Has anyone seen or heard confirmation by Ferrari or Alonso that he is gone and Vettel is 100% going there? I think the news about Vettel came from Horner, can he be believed?

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I don't think there is official word from either ferrari or seb about where he is going, but I take horner's statement as fact. he said something like "I don't know why they have officially announced that he was going to ferrari" or something like that last week in an interview.

 

I also don't think maclaren/honda will be competitive next year but it has been the only logical seat if his "I won't be driving a merc powered car" is to be believed.

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I thought the race was boring too but I think that was the result of the tire choices, not the track.

Read in one of the F1 sites that the tires were using graphene to prolong life - maybe they tipped too much in the mix!

 

Googling "graphene" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene shows that it is a remarkable recent discovery - could we see it in everlasting sails?

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I thought the race was boring too but I think that was the result of the tire choices, not the track.

Read in one of the F1 sites that the tires were using graphene to prolong life - maybe they tipped too much in the mix!

 

Googling "graphene" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene shows that it is a remarkable recent discovery - could we see it in everlasting sails?

Sailmakers would find a way to ban it from sails if it made them last longer.....

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Has anyone seen or heard confirmation by Ferrari or Alonso that he is gone and Vettel is 100% going there?

 

luca di montezemolo confirmed alonso is gone. about as official as it gets for now.

 

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9518634/Di-Montezemolo-Alonso-Is-Leaving-Ferrari

 

He said on Italian television channel RAI: "Alonso is leaving for two reasons: One, he wants another environment. Two, because he is an age when he cannot wait to win again."

 

I'm not sure maclaren is his best chance at winning in the near future but I guess we'll see what happens.

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Honda has had a year to look at the various "power unit" configurations and come up with something pretty good I imagine. My guess is that McLaren will have good power but they do already with the Merc unit now. Does anyone know if the Merc power unit in the McLaren is set up the same as the works cars?

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Does anyone know if the Merc power unit in the McLaren is set up the same as the works cars?

 

I've often wondered that too. is the merc chassis and aero that much better than say maclaren? because merc routinely trounces them.

 

although williams can hang occasionally. but rosberg passed the entire grid on one set of tires while massa got stuck so clearly the package works.

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Does anyone know if the Merc power unit in the McLaren is set up the same as the works cars?

 

I've often wondered that too. is the merc chassis and aero that much better than say maclaren? because merc routinely trounces them.

 

although williams can hang occasionally. but rosberg passed the entire grid on one set of tires while massa got stuck so clearly the package works.

As I understand it, "Customers" get the standard unit and some custom mapping. The "works cars" get to drive what the developoment package is. IOW, the works cars get an engine integrated with the chassis. The customers get a power unit and some help doing their own integration.

 

One big issue for IRB this year was the "all customers equal" approach by Renault and they have demanded (and received) "factory team" status going forward so they will drive Renault development for 2015.

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So exhaust manifolds, intercoolers and such are up to the chassis builder? There's a lot of HP in those two items alone!

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Caterham sale blew up and the "administrators" have taken over. Cars are due to head for COTA on Saturday but the betting is it will be a 10 team grid.

 

With Caterham, Marussia, Sauber and Lotus in perpetual financial strife, will Bernie change the deal to spread more money to the backmarkers or are we headed for 3 car teams with the rich getting richer?

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Might be a 9 team grid next Sunday. There is now some question whether Marussia will also make it next week. Apparently Ferrari wants their engine money.

 

The Caterham circus is hilarious from the outside. I used to be a fan of the green team but they have taken the fun out of dysfunctional.

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Might be a 9 team grid next Sunday. There is now some question whether Marussia will also make it next week. Apparently Ferrari wants their engine money.

 

The Caterham circus is hilarious from the outside. I used to be a fan of the green team but they have taken the fun out of dysfunctional.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29765039 Caterham excused from US GP and Brazilian GP by Bernie.

 

Bernie has basically said he doesn't care if the weaker teams leave F-1 altogether but you have to wonder how many folks are out there willing to fund a team, knowing it takes 2-3 years to even get to the grid and likely a lot more to get to a place that will get a share of the prize money. A lot of teams have come and gone over the years but hard to see too many others stepping up at present. 3 car teams is an idea I really dislike but Bernie seems to think it would work.

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US GP supposed to be on Sunday at 3 on NBC, but Comcast menu shows other shows airing on NBC and NBCSports at that time??

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US GP supposed to be on Sunday at 3 on NBC, but Comcast menu shows other shows airing on NBC and NBCSports at that time??

Still have a week to go. Firstraxtice next Friday.

 

Halloween in Austin and at COTA. Wish I was going.

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Might be a 9 team grid next Sunday. There is now some question whether Marussia will also make it next week. Apparently Ferrari wants their engine money.

 

The Caterham circus is hilarious from the outside. I used to be a fan of the green team but they have taken the fun out of dysfunctional.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29765039 Caterham excused from US GP and Brazilian GP by Bernie.

 

Bernie has basically said he doesn't care if the weaker teams leave F-1 altogether but you have to wonder how many folks are out there willing to fund a team, knowing it takes 2-3 years to even get to the grid and likely a lot more to get to a place that will get a share of the prize money. A lot of teams have come and gone over the years but hard to see too many others stepping up at present. 3 car teams is an idea I really dislike but Bernie seems to think it would work.

 

Bernie is the worst thing to happen to F1 ever.

 

3 car teams, that is a laugh, why not make 4 or 6?

 

The AC and F1 are more alike than ever.

Fucking rich assholes with small peckers.

Shit, mine don't work anymore and it's bigger than most of those a-holes' peckers.

 

But you are right, there needs to be a more equitable disbursement of funds.

It has been proven that "Trickle Down" does not work.

I hate Red Bull and will never buy their crappy products, unfortunately there are idiots who will.

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US GP supposed to be on Sunday at 3 on NBC, but Comcast menu shows other shows airing on NBC and NBCSports at that time??

Still have a week to go. Firstraxtice next Friday.

 

Halloween in Austin and at COTA. Wish I was going.

That would be a fun trip fo'sho.

 

I have an extra Racing Underground invite hanging around I am not using.

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Without bernie f1 wouldnt probably exist in anywhere near its current form and it certainly would not be the pinnacle of applied engineering it is today. The safety aspect of all motorsports around the world have also benefited from his commitment to the fact he believes the show is best when the best drivers drive the best cars on circuits around the world and dont end up maimed or dead. With that said three car teams arent good for the sport but the last round of engine and chassis rules caught some of the mid fielders out and bifurcated the field with lotus, sauber, and force india spit off the back which must have really disheartened the teams and sponsors alike. When youre slow you need more money and its harder to get. Williams pulled a rabbit out of its hat and I hope next year they stay up at the front and prove its not a fluke.

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US GP supposed to be on Sunday at 3 on NBC, but Comcast menu shows other shows airing on NBC and NBCSports at that time??

Still have a week to go. Firstraxtice next Friday.

Halloween in Austin and at COTA. Wish I was going.

That would be a fun trip fo'sho.

I have an extra Racing Underground invite hanging around I am not using.

Couldn't go without my 20 YO, autocrossing, race mad, Hamilton fan son. Doesn't fit with dynamics, physics and statistics classes this semester. (ME student). You would find my body parts in. String of crab pots if I did it without taking him.

 

Looking seriously at doing it when he graduates. Hope to spring for Paddock club tickets. Alternative is a friend has an RV in Austin he'll rent to me cheap and we can do the trackside apartment thing but I hate to give up downtown Austin. Loved that place when I was in college on the east coast and a good friend was at UT.

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Without bernie f1 wouldnt probably exist in anywhere near its current form and it certainly would not be the pinnacle of applied engineering it is today. The safety aspect of all motorsports around the world have also benefited from his commitment to the fact he believes the show is best when the best drivers drive the best cars on circuits around the world and dont end up maimed or dead. With that said three car teams arent good for the sport but the last round of engine and chassis rules caught some of the mid fielders out and bifurcated the field with lotus, sauber, and force india spit off the back which must have really disheartened the teams and sponsors alike. When youre slow you need more money and its harder to get. Williams pulled a rabbit out of its hat and I hope next year they stay up at the front and prove its not a fluke.

Chris,

 

roger all. Bernie may come across as an idiot sometimes but he is the reason for the safety aspects of current high level motorsports. IIRC, he offered a piece of the F-1 ownership to the big teams of the day such as Ferrari, Lotus, McLaren, and others and they were too prowl to sully themselves planning, promoting and running the sport. Like it or not, Bernie turned what was an expensive sideshow into the only auto sport we talk seriously about on this forum and many others.

 

At some point he needs to go but the sport needs someone equally focused to replace him.

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US GP supposed to be on Sunday at 3 on NBC, but Comcast menu shows other shows airing on NBC and NBCSports at that time??

Still have a week to go. Firstraxtice next Friday.

Halloween in Austin and at COTA. Wish I was going.

That would be a fun trip fo'sho.

I have an extra Racing Underground invite hanging around I am not using.

Couldn't go without my 20 YO, autocrossing, race mad, Hamilton fan son. Doesn't fit with dynamics, physics and statistics classes this semester. (ME student). You would find my body parts in. String of crab pots if I did it without taking him.

 

Looking seriously at doing it when he graduates. Hope to spring for Paddock club tickets. Alternative is a friend has an RV in Austin he'll rent to me cheap and we can do the trackside apartment thing but I hate to give up downtown Austin. Loved that place when I was in college on the east coast and a good friend was at UT.

My trip was a 3 month long motorcycle ride the first year after my divorce, with a stop in Montreal for the GP circus.

The merits of which is the better race track can be up for debate...but summer in Montreal being the better city to party in is not :D

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US GP supposed to be on Sunday at 3 on NBC, but Comcast menu shows other shows airing on NBC and NBCSports at that time??

Still have a week to go. Firstraxtice next Friday.

Halloween in Austin and at COTA. Wish I was going.

That would be a fun trip fo'sho.

I have an extra Racing Underground invite hanging around I am not using.

Couldn't go without my 20 YO, autocrossing, race mad, Hamilton fan son. Doesn't fit with dynamics, physics and statistics classes this semester. (ME student). You would find my body parts in. String of crab pots if I did it without taking him.

Looking seriously at doing it when he graduates. Hope to spring for Paddock club tickets. Alternative is a friend has an RV in Austin he'll rent to me cheap and we can do the trackside apartment thing but I hate to give up downtown Austin. Loved that place when I was in college on the east coast and a good friend was at UT.

My trip was a 3 month long motorcycle ride the first year after my divorce, with a stop in Montreal for the GP circus.

The merits of which is the better race track can be up for debate...but summer in Montreal being the better city to party in is not :D

Austin is a pretty decent party town but I won't put down Montreal one bit.

 

Circuits? Love street circuits but too hard to pass so as much parade as race.

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Marussia has now been excused from participation in Austin and will most likely skip Brazil as well

 

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9533347/Marussia-Out-Of-Austin-GP

 

With the teams going directly from Austin to Sao Paolo it doesnt make sense to do either one. I would be surprised if either of them are at Abu Dhabi either.

 

MS

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Does Austin get a discount from Ernie for fielding less teams?

I think the contract calls for a minimum of 16 cars. Below 20, Bernie can require teams to provide a 3rd car but that will not happen at Austin.

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audi is also rumored to be considering entering f1, although they deny it of course.

 

but they did just hire stefano domenicali. wonder why?

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audi is also rumored to be considering entering f1, although they deny it of course.

 

but they did just hire stefano domenicali. wonder why?

Why would they hire him indeed. I would like to see audi tackle this challenge and a challenge it will be for them. Bmw, honda, and toyota all got ground up and spit out as works teams.

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audi is also rumored to be considering entering f1, although they deny it of course.

 

but they did just hire stefano domenicali. wonder why?

Why would they hire him indeed. I would like to see audi tackle this challenge and a challenge it will be for them. Bmw, honda, and toyota all got ground up and spit out as works teams.

 

One reason I think Bernie has to find a way to better apportion the money. The sport needs those backmarkers in the game and his "let them eat cake" approach won't grow F-1 in this economy.

 

I do wonder how Haas convinced himself to enter a start up team when the odds are against success? Why didn't he just buy Caterham or Marussia on the cheap as their market value can't be much more than depreciated cost of assets. I'm very happy to see an American team and the market here is big enough to support more than one event (EU Population 500M with a $17.3T GDP. US 316M pop and $16.8T GDP) but the business case isn't there. Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari get great advertising returns. What's in it for Haas?

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Thats a mystery for sure. Even for audi the lack of talent is immense when it comes to engineering these cars. Even williams had to design and build a functional aerodynamic chassis for the power unit they lucked into. They did a great job. Audi will need to find the folks to fast track designing an entire car and so will haas and there arent many of them.

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Word is Mercedes might not give Force India engines er power units for Austin if they don't cough up a payment. Of course if they no show everyone else will make it out of Q1.

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Word is Mercedes might not give Force India engines er power units for Austin if they don't cough up a payment. Of course if they no show everyone else will make it out of Q1.

I read somewhere that FIA is able to (and looking to) revise the qualifying cutoffs to accommodate a smaller field. Broad suggestion was that they would ensure a 3 stage quali.

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I'm sure they'll bend the rules until they have to ignore them altogether and keep the scam alive.

 

The rich get richer and the poor get the picture:

 

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One reason I think Bernie has to find a way to better apportion the money. The sport needs those backmarkers in the game and his "let them eat cake" approach won't grow F-1 in this economy.

 

Which is the insanity of the 3-car team being floated. No chance of even a podium when there's a dominate car? Am I wrong in that thought and the teams know this will never happen - and hence are quiet - or is F1 that collectively insane?

 

Haas could have figured a clean sheet was a better starting point than whatever poor structure was in place? Dunno, be interesting to see how that works out

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One reason I think Bernie has to find a way to better apportion the money. The sport needs those backmarkers in the game and his "let them eat cake" approach won't grow F-1 in this economy.

 

Which is the insanity of the 3-car team being floated. No chance of even a podium when there's a dominate car? Am I wrong in that thought and the teams know this will never happen - and hence are quiet - or is F1 that collectively insane?

 

Haas could have figured a clean sheet was a better starting point than whatever poor structure was in place? Dunno, be interesting to see how that works out

 

 

There was a time when 3 car teams weren't rare. I believe March even had 6 cars start one race once.

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Haas could have figured a clean sheet was a better starting point than whatever poor structure was in place? Dunno, be interesting to see how that works out

it didn't work out for usgp. I would think starting with anything would be better (and cheaper and faster) than nothing.

 

forget the cars, just think of all the custom support equipment a f1 team needs. trucks, motorhomes, mobile labs, pit equipment. stuff that doesn't really make the car faster but is necessary, probably costs a fortune to design and build and takes resources away from designing the car.

 

picking up marussia's or caterhams stuff for pennies on the dollar would be a fast and cheap way to get all that stuff.

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I read an article by Mario Andretti which was critical of the current generation of cars being to complex and the fuel usage limits detracting from the racing. I have to agree on all points. I long for the series to simplify the cars back to a drivers championship. I can deal with the change to a "power unit" as it has relevance to production cars but they need to drop the fuel usage requirements and let the lads race!

 

Tire and fuel strategies are the name of the game now, which while being part of driving is taking away the competition of driving. I'm going to Austin on Friday but it may be my last F1 race for a while.

 

CART is looking like more fun these days... I wish they'd get rid of the rear wheel covers, it is after all supposed to be open wheel racing.

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I read an article by Mario Andretti which was critical of the current generation of cars being to complex and the fuel usage limits detracting from the racing. I have to agree on all points. I long for the series to simplify the cars back to a drivers championship. I can deal with the change to a "power unit" as it has relevance to production cars but they need to drop the fuel usage requirements and let the lads race!

 

Tire and fuel strategies are the name of the game now, which while being part of driving is taking away the competition of driving. I'm going to Austin on Friday but it may be my last F1 race for a while.

 

CART is looking like more fun these days... I wish they'd get rid of the rear wheel covers, it is after all supposed to be open wheel racing.

 

I don't think anyone's run out of gas yet.

 

Indycars look like what you would see at the indoor go-cart track.

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

 

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

 

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

If I understand that correctly, 10% will be offered like an IPO but the rest will be given to current shareholders of Fiat Chrysler as separate shares, meaning the entire company will be in the hands of public shareholders, who may or may not . . . . . . . There won't be inside ownership of a majority of shares.

 

Then again, I could have read it wrong.

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Maybe it was just too late, came across this video of the new Hass HQ

 

 

Haas Automation, headquartered here in Oxnard Calif. Not far from where I live, see the blue dot to the lower left near CI Harbor. Zoom out to see the beautiful Santa Barbara Channel and the Islands. I have lived around the world and there is no place like this.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Haas+Automation,+Inc./@34.1818995,-119.2172663,13z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xeee322339ffe92b0

 

I sure hope they do a roll out photo shoot here at Haas HQ.

I'll go if they do.

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

 

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

 

 

The 10% will be offered to the general public.

 

The remainder will be dolled out to current FCA stockholders who can do what they want with it afterward.

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

 

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

 

 

The 10% will be offered to the general public.

 

The remainder will be dolled out to current FCA stockholders who can do what they want with it afterward.

 

Yeah this is not really a big deal, Ferrari has been part of a public Company for some time now, it's just that instead of being a sub, they are standalone. Shareholders of FCA didn't seem all that pissed that there money has been sunk the last few years, why would that change now.

 

It's more likely that it will accelerate the development of some sort of Ferrari response to the Cayenne.

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

 

The 10% will be offered to the general public.

 

The remainder will be dolled out to current FCA stockholders who can do what they want with it afterward.

Yeah this is not really a big deal, Ferrari has been part of a public Company for some time now, it's just that instead of being a sub, they are standalone. Shareholders of FCA didn't seem all that pissed that there money has been sunk the last few years, why would that change now.

 

It's more likely that it will accelerate the development of some sort of Ferrari response to the Cayenne.

Fiat response you mean...and that would be the current Alfa's.

 

And am I the only one that remembers the tyre fiasco at Indy? Yeah, the Evile Dwarf didn't refund Tony George then either, which is why he found other suckers in Tejas.

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

 

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

 

 

The 10% will be offered to the general public.

 

The remainder will be dolled out to current FCA stockholders who can do what they want with it afterward.

 

Yeah this is not really a big deal, Ferrari has been part of a public Company for some time now, it's just that instead of being a sub, they are standalone. Shareholders of FCA didn't seem all that pissed that there money has been sunk the last few years, why would that change now.

 

It's more likely that it will accelerate the development of some sort of Ferrari response to the Cayenne.

 

 

Now Ferrari will have to answer to stockholders when before they were just a small subsidiary of a larger company. In fact the F1 team is the entire Ferrari Marketing budget so it gets buried in the numbers.

 

It won't be long till some activist investors who could care less about tradition or history will be clamoring for changes.

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ferrari is going public.

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

Only a 10% stake.

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

 

The 10% will be offered to the general public.

 

The remainder will be dolled out to current FCA stockholders who can do what they want with it afterward.

Yeah this is not really a big deal, Ferrari has been part of a public Company for some time now, it's just that instead of being a sub, they are standalone. Shareholders of FCA didn't seem all that pissed that there money has been sunk the last few years, why would that change now.

 

It's more likely that it will accelerate the development of some sort of Ferrari response to the Cayenne.

Fiat response you mean...and that would be the current Alfa's.

And am I the only one that remembers the tyre fiasco at Indy? Yeah, the Evile Dwarf didn't refund Tony George then either, which is why he found other suckers in Tejas.

Nothing like revising history to make your point..

In fact BE tried to broker a deal between Michelin and the FIA to put in a chicane before IMS turn 1 but was turned down by Mosley....

If you had been there that day, Michelin paid for every ticket the next year...

 

And where the fuck is Tejas?...

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The IPO isn't the issue the $2.5 billion convertible bond offering and the interest payments will be for Ferrari.

 

On the plus side there should be more, and more public, limited edition and special road cars coming out for viewing pleasure

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Ouch, accidentally recorded and just now watched the NBC coverage of quali. They took two minutes out of Q3 to interview Matt LeBlanc and Anthony Edwards. We learned that Edwards is having lunch with the Williams drivers. WTF? Announcers haven't got a clue about F1, sound like they normally cover Nascar or something.

 

Back to TSN, won't make that mistake again.

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ferrari is going public.

 

http://jalopnik.com/report-fiat-to-spinoff-ferrari-1652177644

 

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end of the f1 team. without any new championships, share holders certainly won't like writing $500m checks every year.

Only a 10% stake.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/10/29/fiat-banks-on-ferrari-the-short-answer/?mod=e2tw#twitter

 

The 10% will be offered to the general public.

 

The remainder will be dolled out to current FCA stockholders who can do what they want with it afterward.

Yeah this is not really a big deal, Ferrari has been part of a public Company for some time now, it's just that instead of being a sub, they are standalone. Shareholders of FCA didn't seem all that pissed that there money has been sunk the last few years, why would that change now.

 

It's more likely that it will accelerate the development of some sort of Ferrari response to the Cayenne.

 

Now Ferrari will have to answer to stockholders when before they were just a small subsidiary of a larger company. In fact the F1 team is the entire Ferrari Marketing budget so it gets buried in the numbers.

 

It won't be long till some activist investors who could care less about tradition or history will be clamoring for changes.

Marlboro's marketing company actually owns & handles all of the Scuderia's bodywork advertising. They can't overtly advertise tobacco during FIA televised events, but their big advertising think tank is devoted to Ferrari.

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I was there that year. It was beyond a fiasco. And piling tyres in a corner to manufacture a chicane would have almost been as bad as having an F1 race in a Phoenix parking lot.

 

Which Bernie did.

 

You could get away with that bullshit in the 80's, not so much now. It was a fiasco, and why the US Grand Prix will NEVER be anywhere near the IMS ever again until every George is dead.

 

Fucking New Jersey before Indy.

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Ouch, accidentally recorded and just now watched the NBC coverage of quali. They took two minutes out of Q3 to interview Matt LeBlanc and Anthony Edwards. We learned that Edwards is having lunch with the Williams drivers. WTF? Announcers haven't got a clue about F1, sound like they normally cover Nascar or something.

 

Back to TSN, won't make that mistake again.

All the US Trash come out of the woodwork for this one.

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Ouch, accidentally recorded and just now watched the NBC coverage of quali. They took two minutes out of Q3 to interview Matt LeBlanc and Anthony Edwards. We learned that Edwards is having lunch with the Williams drivers. WTF? Announcers haven't got a clue about F1, sound like they normally cover Nascar or something.

 

Back to TSN, won't make that mistake again.

 

nbc's coverage was pathetic but I didn't have the patience to wait for a real broadcast to be posted, so I suffered through it.

 

but man, lewis once again proved rosberg is his bitch. boring race at the front, but there was a lot action in the mid field. and ricco almost caught rosberg at the end. I wonder if the mercs were just cruising or if rbr is improving?

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you can watch via the sportlemon.tv panel if you want Sky live. I watched it on that awful NBC feed, then just rewatched the Sky HD version this morning.

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Who's commentating on your Sky channel? Ben Edwards? and David Coulthard are who we get here. Pretty good mix

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I watch on BBC either live or highlights depending upon the schedule. Coulthard and Edwards do the commentary. Isn't Martin Brundle doing the coverage on Sky with someone else?

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Just got back from Austin last night.

 

Good race once you forgot about the two silver cars. However from my view (turn 12) Rosberg was asleep at the wheel when Lewis came by. The pass was way to easy. I think Nico is rattled a bit.

Perez deserves the penalty for punting Sutil off also in turn 12. You could predict it at the braking zone when Perez drove under a bunch of cars with nowhere to go but into the side pod of someone, Sutil just happened to be there.

Beware Red Bull next year... IF they get just a little more power, the mercs are in trouble. DR drove a great race as did Vettel.

 

Alonso (yawn) did the best he could and Kimi was out of the points, again... Two more laps and Vettel would have had Alonso.

 

Great weekend of racing and Austin was awesome.

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I watch on BBC either live or highlights depending upon the schedule. Coulthard and Edwards do the commentary. Isn't Martin Brundle doing the coverage on Sky with someone else?

 

Brundle along with Damon Hill, and then Ted Kravitz, Krofty, Bruno Senna, antony the sportscar guy.

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I think the Sky is miles better than the BBC. In fact I think the Sky F1 coverage is the best sporting coverage I have ever seen on TV in my entire life.

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My problem is that the cost is £300/year plus coupled with another £350 for BT Sports to see Moto GP. Lot of money for the pleasure of watching two sports. They are both focused on soccer which is of no interest so I wouldn't use them for anything else.

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Marussia folds. Some ugly accusation on promises not kept.

 

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29954250

 

Apparantly, Caterham has set a deadline of next week for a buyer or close up shop as well.

 

Bernie's empire crumbling pretty fast. 3 car teams next year??

 

I hear Caterham is trying to crowd source funding.

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Marussia folds. Some ugly accusation on promises not kept.

 

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29954250

 

Apparantly, Caterham has set a deadline of next week for a buyer or close up shop as well.

 

Bernie's empire crumbling pretty fast. 3 car teams next year??

I hear Caterham is trying to crowd source funding.

I don't see crown sourcing a $100M+ annual operation as a real option but I could be wrong.

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The end of season money they were going to get now goes to Sauber (providing they are still around). Maybe they will use that money to buy out Sutil out of his contract since they have brought in a new driver.

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Big acrimonious meeting last night between big teams. Lots of talk in paddock today about RB,Mclaren,Ferrari but not Merc running 3 cars next year. Maybe Fernando status where he is and JB has a drive next year? Might open up a seats for others.

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Heh, got into a "discussion" tonight about Raikkonen with a hardcore Tifosi.

 

We both came to the same conclusion... To get any result out of him you need to hold his money till the end of the season.

Still scratching my head why they hired him (again) and will have to buy out his contract to get rid of him (again)...

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Heh, got into a "discussion" tonight about Raikkonen with a hardcore Tifosi.

 

We both came to the same conclusion... To get any result out of him you need to hold his money till the end of the season.

Still scratching my head why they hired him (again) and will have to buy out his contract to get rid of him (again)...

 

 

Nah. He is in a crap car as the #2 driver behind Alonso. Kimi will do just fine next year if Ferrari can get their act together.

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Nice race.

Dubi is very relevant now...

Concur.

Yep. Hamilton has to get second or beat Nico.

To put it better. Nico has to put a car between himself and Hamilton. Lewis is still in the drivers seat on this one.

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great race. too bad about that spin as I think lewis could have passed him during the pit stop if he hadn't.

 

those bozos at nbc are worse at math than me. they kept harping on the fact that lewis no had to win abu dhabi. nope, he just needs to finish right behind nico to take the title. idiots.

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Nice race.

 

Dubi is very relevant now...

 

Dubai??? I didn't know they had an F1 track.

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Nice race.

 

Dubi is very relevant now...

 

Dubai??? I didn't know they had an F1 track.

 

It's ¼ scale. ;)

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f1 is an exercise on how to destroy a good thing. in 10 years theyll be using pedal cars.

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Nice race.

 

Dubi is very relevant now...

 

Dubai??? I didn't know they had an F1 track.

Just a strong windstorm away from AD

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bernie makes a lot of valid points in that interview. he is in it for the money and kids don't have it. but 70 year olds do.

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Many of the sponsors are in it for the younger crowd, maybe he should give a shit about them? The big product F1 sells these days is glamour and 70 year olds aren't glamorous. What first comes to mind reading that is "dinosaur" but Bernie's smart and wily, so there's probably some plan to it.

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70 year olds aren't going to live forever. I really think Bernie has lost the plot.

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70 year olds aren't going to live forever. I really think Bernie has lost the plot.

 

there will always be rich 70 year olds to entertain.

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70 year olds aren't going to live forever. I really think Bernie has lost the plot.

 

there will always be rich 70 year olds to entertain.

 

And tomorrows 70 years olds won't give a shit about F1 because it didn't hook them when they were young.

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70 year olds aren't going to live forever. I really think Bernie has lost the plot.

 

there will always be rich 70 year olds to entertain.

 

And tomorrows 70 years olds won't give a shit about F1 because it didn't hook them when they were young.

 

maybe. maybe not.

 

but do you really think bernie cares if today's kids don't like f1 when they are 70? I'm betting no.

 

I'm not saying I agree with his attitude, but I understand it.

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Of course Bernie doesn't give a shit. That's the point of the article.

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Of course Bernie doesn't give a shit. That's the point of the article.

Got to love it. Wonder if I would have taken a train from London to Silverstone and hitchhiked in the middle of the night to be the British GP when I was an 18 YO if Bernie had been in charge then?

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great race. too bad about that spin as I think lewis could have passed him during the pit stop if he hadn't.

 

those bozos at nbc are worse at math than me. they kept harping on the fact that lewis no had to win abu dhabi. nope, he just needs to finish right behind nico to take the title. idiots.

TSN>>NBC. Just switch...

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Honda motor in a modified 2014 Mcclaren ran a "photo day" at Silverstone today. Rumors it went pretty well and will be at the Abu Dabhi test after next weekend.

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