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Optis and Submarine

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From the Argentinian sailing website Juanpanews. Apparently a sub appeared in the middle of the Opti fleet, mid-race, at the 49th International Yachting Week, Mar del Plata.

 

The caption is great:

No quiero pensar el susto que se pegaron los chicos de optimist timoneles en Mar del Plata cuando vieron asomar a un submarino en la cancha de regatas, que además engancho una boya y obligo a suspender la regata. Quiero pensar que fue un lamentable error del capitán, porque podría haber causado un accidente tremendo.

 

Google's translation:

I can not believe the scare guys optimist helmsmen stuck in Mar del Plata when they saw a submarine hovering in the race course, which also snagged a buoy and forced to suspend the race. want to think it was an unfortunate error by captain because it could have caused a terrible accident.

 

It's better in Spanish.

 

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No wonder the Brits wiped the floor with the Argie Navy in '82.

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I don't think this guy would make it through Red Route 1 at 26 kts, under torpedo attack, with a stopwatch and a grease pencil.

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Sloop,

 

the naval engagements of the Malvinas-Falklands fracas were rather equal. the English lost 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, plus a host of landing ships. 15 Exocets in Argebtine inventory sank 5 English naval vessels.

 

US subs are notorious for this sort of sanfu. A while back they sank a fishing boat while surfacing

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A while back they sank a fishing boat while surfacing

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...'collateral damage'

 

 

........they were trolling for subs :mellow:

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Sloop,

 

the naval engagements of the Malvinas-Falklands fracas were rather equal. the English lost 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, plus a host of landing ships. 15 Exocets in Argebtine inventory sank 5 English naval vessels.

 

US subs are notorious for this sort of sanfu. A while back they sank a fishing boat while surfacing

 

I was only referring to the Argie Navy part - you are referring to the Argie air force, which acquitted itself rather well. Operating at the extreme limit of their range, flying pre-Viet Nam Skyhawks and so forth..

 

Remember the old cruiser General Belgrano that was the pride of their navy? IIRC it didn't even know what hit it when the Brit sub sank it very shortly after the start of the war.

 

One of your subs sank a big schooner in Juan de Fuca a number of years ago. IIRC it was a joint US/Chile exercise of some sort and the sub was under the command of a Chilean at the time.

 

Certainly a grander scale than a bunch of Optis.

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They actually hit a Japanese research vessel filled with students doing a field expedition in the Hawaiian islands... While doing an exhibition for some VIPs... I.e. Showing off for the cameras..

 

Quite a few rolls of Federally funded paper towels were used buffing out the damage.

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Clean couldn't get a press flag so he went on course anyway. Nothing says fuck the status quo like a sub at the windward mark.

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Sloop - lemme guess; you are a strident & bellicose nationalist easily manipulated by cynical politicians in a far off capital ?

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Today’s lesson is how the room for an obstruction rule interacts with the mark room rule.

 

The lad coming in on port clearly doesn't give a fuck about the sub, either that or his glasses are fogged up.

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optis cant catch a break... first its m32's, now its sumbarines....

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The lad coming in on port clearly doesn't give a fuck about the sub, either that or his glasses are fogged up.

 

Telephoto lenses can give the appearance of an imminent collision.

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The lad coming in on port clearly doesn't give a fuck about the sub, either that or his glasses are fogged up.

 

Telephoto lenses can give the appearance of an imminent collision.

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.....but this is 'clearly' a case of imminent collision being caused by Clean's fogged lenses! :mellow:

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i reckon it's for the starting procedure. normally one uses ribs to keep optis behind the line, uboat is definetely more 21st century

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Either that or one of the Dads has convincingly won the 'best support boat' title for this season. That’s upped the stakes a bit for next year.

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I think this is the real story here:

 

Forced up due to rubber bands getting stuck in the control surfaces ?

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Captain Ramius: Re-verify our range to target... one ping only.

Capt. Vasili Borodin: Captain, I - I - I just...

Captain Ramius: Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.

Capt. Vasili Borodin: Aye, Captain.

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I think this is the real story here:

bravo!

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Na.. You guys are out of the loop... It is the new SA Rib practicing for the nxt AC. You didn't think your donations all went into the legal fund didja?? Bring it on Larry.......

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Lets See..........

 

Agree with Sloop - Argentine Air Force and Navy Air up to the Falklands were very good and if they had the same Sidewinder model may have won. Very well trained and advised first by WWII Germans and then Israeli's. The Navy and especially the Army were not up to the task. Everything from poor combat engineering to losing subs at the dock. They had two U209 models I believe. Santa Maria class or something like that. Neither played a part in the war and had a lot of time to provision and get in position. One of their former US boats was destroyed at the dock / mooring by a Helicopter firing very short range missiles. I honestly can not think of any significant contribution by the Navy with the exception of the initial invasion. They didn't even get heavy equipment to the Islands and they had a lot of time!

 

Some of the US Diesel boats used to watch the sailboat races. They would head out and sit out there and either drift or keep it at about three knots and conduct a normal work day. Then run drills. S&S archives has some shots from and including some of the US Boats doing this. Cheap training and it allowed the Navy to show the flag to influential people. With fuel becoming very expensive I suspect the the Argentine Sub goes out and conducts drills not far from the harbor. The example of the US Sub is I believe at night and the sub got caught in nets off San Diego.

 

The US Subs have a much more difficult situation as not only do they have to avoid quiet ships, tugs, sailboats but are also a target for protest and terrorists. So the initial surface and run into the harbor has become more difficult in recent years.

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Today’s lesson is how the room for an obstruction rule interacts with the mark room rule.

 

The lad coming in on port clearly doesn't give a fuck about the sub, either that or his glasses are fogged up.

 

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So...would that be considered an obstruction?

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Sloop - lemme guess; you are a strident & bellicose nationalist easily manipulated by cynical politicians in a far off capital ?

 

MOI? No, just a student of particularly stupid political activity - and a bit of a fan of the hardware of killing large numbers of people.

 

We had an amusing bit of a local connection to that war. A family from around here decided shortly before it started that the world was close to Armageddon - Reagan's "evil empire" shtick etc. They figured to move to a remote island where they could sit it out and survive.

 

Their choice? The Falklands in early '82, about 3 months before the Argies invaded. :lol:

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"Captain, if you're still looking for Drum to finish her off, I think we're in the wrong race..."

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In the late 60's we were hard reaching along under kite in the middle of a dark night on a Vineyard race. We were dragging the tip of our wooden boom in the water (as was the style in that day) off the Connecticut/Rhode Island shore when the nose of a US sub broke through our boom. Apparently they were on maneuvers and simply backed away and submerged. We had a nice long motor back home.

 

Sorry, no pics, but it would have been a lot less fun in an Opti.

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What's the problem? It was the pin end boat to keep the little snots in line. :lol:

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Na.. You guys are out of the loop... It is the new SA Rib practicing for the nxt AC. You didn't think your donations all went into the legal fund didja?? Bring it on Larry.......

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...and with -that- piece of kit,,,,the REAL fundraising can begin........'contraGate' style.. :rolleyes:

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Sloop - lemme guess; you are a strident & bellicose nationalist easily manipulated by cynical politicians in a far off capital ?

 

MOI? No, just a student of particularly stupid political activity - and a bit of a fan of the hardware of killing large numbers of people.

 

We had an amusing bit of a local connection to that war. A family from around here decided shortly before it started that the world was close to Armageddon - Reagan's "evil empire" shtick etc. They figured to move to a remote island where they could sit it out and survive.

 

Their choice? The Falklands in early '82, about 3 months before the Argies invaded. :lol:

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.........sad irony :mellow:

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The US Subs have a much more difficult situation as not only do they have to avoid quiet ships, tugs, sailboats but are also a target for protest and terrorists. So the initial surface and run into the harbor has become more difficult in recent years.

 

Fishermen in LIS area have been known to string old nets around the opening to the Thames River in New London, CT specifically to get them caught but the subs entering/exiting the base, because the Navy will usually replace it without questions.

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I am no expert (although I was in the Navy) but I thought part of a sub surfacing procedure was to put up the periscope first and actually *look around* (you know, with your eyes) and determine if it is safe to surface.

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oops, sorry. i thought this thread was about optis and j24's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nevermind.

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Room at the buoy!!!

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I am no expert (although I was in the Navy) but I thought part of a sub surfacing procedure was to put up the periscope first and actually *look around* (you know, with your eyes) and determine if it is safe to surface.

Surfacing is the scariest time for a submarine skipper. They can't see. They can't use radar. They can only listen. Opties (and other sailboat) don't make much noise. Even the periscope could take put a pleasure boat unless it happens to be steel.

 

Now you might the this would encourage the to surface well offshore....

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"Captain, we are going to need a smaller submarine."

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23998.jpg

 

"Once more, we play our dangerous game, a game of chess against our old adversary - The American Navy. For forty years, your fathers before you and your older brothers played this game and played it well. But today the game is different. We have the advantage."

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la intención de la Armada Argentina fue brindarles a los chicos un poco de adrenalina, como la que tuvieron por parte de los Melges 32 en Lago di Garda. Por suerte para algunos será solo una nota de color, para otros posiblemente el retiro.

the intention of the Argentina Navy was to give the boys a bit of adrenaline, as they had by the Melges 32 in Lago di Garda. Luckily for some it will be just a touch of color, others possibly retirement

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Thank goodness the designers put an emergency hatch in the keel. Too bad this scow-bowed bad boy sheared off its fully retractable and articulating bilateral "Z" foils. I hear they were doing 65.8 knots when the boat did a spontaneous "crazy Ivan". I'm pretty sure it was to port, and exactly at 10:30am.

 

Name of boat: One Ping Only

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Sloop,

 

Thanks for clarification - had a friend that did similar thing at time choose New Zealand

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Sloop,

 

the naval engagements of the Malvinas-Falklands fracas were rather equal. the English lost 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, plus a host of landing ships. 15 Exocets in Argebtine inventory sank 5 English naval vessels.

 

Exocets sank 5? Really? "Sheffield" and "Atlantic Conveyor" and there was a hit on "Glamorgan" from a land based launch at Stanley. So two sinkings, and one damaged. Host of landing ships.. in this case host = 1 "LSL Glamorgan" and small landing craft from "Fearless" which was definitely not a ship. Get your facts right so that you can bullshit from a solid base!

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Sandwiched between the oppie fleet and HMS Conqueror, the Argy skipper decides to manfully take on the oppies, despite thier advantage in numbers.

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I do wonder if the Oppi course setters read the sailing directions. It does state that the area is used for submarine training - must be fresh intake that have just started ;)

 

babor o estribor? No, no, la mano derecha ariba un poco .. No, no, la mano izquierda abajo un poco - apologies for the grammatical errors.

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In the late 60's we were hard reaching along under kite in the middle of a dark night on a Vineyard race. We were dragging the tip of our wooden boom in the water (as was the style in that day) off the Connecticut/Rhode Island shore when the nose of a US sub broke through our boom. Apparently they were on maneuvers and simply backed away and submerged. We had a nice long motor back home.

 

Sorry, no pics, but it would have been a lot less fun in an Opti.

 

Did the guvmint buy you a new boom?

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Gosh darn it Captain, we hit the mark!!

That calls for a 720... :(

 

 

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....captain,,we're being SWARMED!!............Quick!--pass me the Opti-repellant!!!! :o :o

 

 

...it seems pretty clear that US opti is on final lay-line for the mark,,,with sub still engaged--hilarious how undauntingly determined those opti's are!! :blink::lol:

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The sub was trying to verify a vicious rumor of some ultra secret underwater appendages being used in this fleet :ph34r:

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Sloop,

 

the naval engagements of the Malvinas-Falklands fracas were rather equal. the English lost 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, plus a host of landing ships. 15 Exocets in Argebtine inventory sank 5 English naval vessels.

 

Exocets sank 5? Really? "Sheffield" and "Atlantic Conveyor" and there was a hit on "Glamorgan" from a land based launch at Stanley. So two sinkings, and one damaged. Host of landing ships.. in this case host = 1 "LSL Glamorgan" and small landing craft from "Fearless" which was definitely not a ship. Get your facts right so that you can bullshit from a solid base!

 

I was wondering when someone was going to correct him on that. Heck, the whole friggin war is on video. You an see it all.

 

The Argie dipshit was a stupid idiot to start that war. Nevertheless, my favourite description of the whole mess:

"two old bald men fighting over a comb."

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With my new coach boat the jury stopped claimimg that I am too close to the race course....

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It was cheaper than paying for an RC boat and some Judges?

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I just want to point out the very brave sailor aboard the USA Opti - He is sailing right into the very big airplane like prop on the back of that boat....

 

Was this some sort of anti USA protest? Is the Argentine Navy trying to send a message prior to the Olympics in Brazil or are they planning to invade........

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That blade, though it is there, is 7-10ft below the water. Its not even kicking up a wave in any of the shots, so the opti doesn't need to fear from being shredded. Still If that was me I'd be keeping away from the back end of that thing.

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The kid is eyeballing the gap between the mark, and the rudder of the sub...Thinking, man if I nail that gap....I can stretch out this lead...


 

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I was talking to The Commander at NAS Whidbey shortly after the Falkland Islands War, and he suggested that the Brits were arrogant, and weren't truly prepared for what they faced. They should have sent the Exocets back from where they were launched. His EA-6B's could have done that.

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Part of the Royal Navy's problem in the Falklands was that they went with no AEW capability. The Argentine Super Entards came in very low and couldn't be picked up on Radar except when they climbed to gain missile aiming data. Very shortly after the war the AEW Sea King helicopter came into service.

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Remember the old cruiser General Belgrano that was the pride of their navy? IIRC it didn't even know what hit it when the Brit sub sank it very shortly after the start of the war.

 

The General Belgrano was the USS Phoenix, and one of only few ships to survive Pearl Harbour..

An apt name for the start of its career.

 

She's also the only ship to have been sunk by a Nuclear Sub.

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Red, right, return...

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Is the mark not anchored to the bottom? What is the sub doing in water shallow enough to lay out marks for an Opti race? Or did they lay out the marks in the middle of the shipping channel??

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Part of the Royal Navy's problem in the Falklands was that they went with no AEW capability. The Argentine Super Entards came in very low and couldn't be picked up on Radar except when they climbed to gain missile aiming data. Very shortly after the war the AEW Sea King helicopter came into service.

 

The problem was that the reliance was on ship mounted radar, on the type 42's (HMS Sheffield and HMS Coventry were 42's here) which were older, and had some technical problems, and to a lesser extent the new (then) Type 22s, which had great air defence - we were in the middle of a building programme - only two of these were available.

 

The primary point of defence was around the two carrier groups, built around the brand new HMS Invincible, and HMS Hermes. Therefore, the 42's were used as picket air radar defence (hence they got clobbered first), and the 22s were close in defence. The less capable ships, the older 21s, were used in St Carlos water...

 

The UK isn't the US, they don't have 10 carrier groups, what they had for that campaign was pretty much everything, apart from the CSND. So, with limited resources, from an initial invasion by Argentinian forces on the 2nd April, to their eventual surrender on 14th June, about 10 weeks later, and before the southern winter, could be considered a major success.

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She's also the only ship to have been sunk by a Nuclear Sub.

 

Allegedly.

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Is the mark not anchored to the bottom? What is the sub doing in water shallow enough to lay out marks for an Opti race? Or did they lay out the marks in the middle of the shipping channel??

 

Ditto. I'm not yet sold that this picture was not photo-shopped. There is no way the mark could be that close to the submarine stern and not get snagged. Is there any other press report of this incident?

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three more interesting facts about the Falklands Conflict:

  1. Argentina actually lost a naval Submarine to an Oceanographic Survey Vessel: S-21 Santa Fe was disabled by rotary-wing aircraft flying off HMS Endurance.
  2. The Royal Navy and Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm defeated the Argentine Air Force with a much lower rate of attrition than was first calculated in tactical estimations.
  3. The Falklands Conflict was also officially a conflict, not a war. It never actually escalated to a war.

 

 

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The problem was that the reliance was on ship mounted radar, on the type 42's (HMS Sheffield and HMS Coventry were 42's here) which were older, and had some technical problems.

 

The UK isn't the US, they don't have 10 carrier groups, what they had for that campaign was pretty much everything.

The hit on HMS Sheffield was also reportedly helped by the satcom system transmitting on the same frequency band as the Exocet's radar. Their RWR didn't pick it up as they were transmitting at the time.

I've also seen it written (I think in the book Hostile Skies) that the crew of Sheffield when reported as singing hymns was actually singing "always look on the bright side of life."

 

Too right everything went! HMS Hermes was still completing refit as she left, maintenance workers were flown back ashore by helicopter. There was such a worry about a lack of air support that there were plans for converting merchant ships into STOVL carriers!

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Committee boat. Committee boat. Committee boat. This is submersible mark set boat. I have confirmation that competitor 3449 is competing with an illegal keel.

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Sloop,

 

the naval engagements of the Malvinas-Falklands fracas were rather equal. the English lost 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, plus a host of landing ships. 15 Exocets in Argebtine inventory sank 5 English naval vessels.

 

Exocets sank 5? Really? "Sheffield" and "Atlantic Conveyor" and there was a hit on "Glamorgan" from a land based launch at Stanley. So two sinkings, and one damaged. Host of landing ships.. in this case host = 1 "LSL Glamorgan" and small landing craft from "Fearless" which was definitely not a ship. Get your facts right so that you can bullshit from a solid base!

 

my favourite description of the whole mess:

"two old bald men fighting over a comb."

 

:lol: :lol: Fucking perfect!

 

Too bad people really died in it.

 

There was a small reference to it in an English detective series "A Touch of Frost". The inspector had a detective assigned as his sergeant. The guy was Ex-SAS, had been in the Falklands and was on his way out for drinking, PTSD etc. They were talking over drinks late one night about scary things that had happened to them. The sergeant said the scariest thing he had ever heard was one night when he was in the Falklands when they were about to attack an Argie position and the order was passed "Fix bayonets".

 

It was very well done and it really made your blood run cold - you could really imagine what it would be like to experience.

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Part of the Royal Navy's problem in the Falklands was that they went with no AEW capability. The Argentine Super Entards came in very low and couldn't be picked up on Radar except when they climbed to gain missile aiming data. Very shortly after the war the AEW Sea King helicopter came into service.

 

The problem was that the reliance was on ship mounted radar, on the type 42's (HMS Sheffield and HMS Coventry were 42's here) which were older, and had some technical problems, and to a lesser extent the new (then) Type 22s, which had great air defence - we were in the middle of a building programme - only two of these were available.

 

The primary point of defence was around the two carrier groups, built around the brand new HMS Invincible, and HMS Hermes. Therefore, the 42's were used as picket air radar defence (hence they got clobbered first), and the 22s were close in defence. The less capable ships, the older 21s, were used in St Carlos water...

 

The UK isn't the US, they don't have 10 carrier groups, what they had for that campaign was pretty much everything, apart from the CSND. So, with limited resources, from an initial invasion by Argentinian forces on the 2nd April, to their eventual surrender on 14th June, about 10 weeks later, and before the southern winter, could be considered a major success.

 

I thought one of the high points of that campaign was when Prince Andrew flew his chopper over his ship as a diversion for the Exocets, which home on the high point of the mass of the ship.

 

Can you imagine the son of any of your Presidents doing that - or being allowed to? He was second in succession at the time.

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The Argie dipshit was a stupid idiot to start that war. Nevertheless, my favourite description of the whole mess:

"two old bald men fighting over a comb."

That's how I felt about it at the time. A minority viewpoint in Britain but certainly not a unique one. Now I'm not so sure. It sent a message that military adventurism wasn't a one-way bet and that's important.

 

The irony is that before the occupation, Britain and Argentina were slowly negotiating towards some kind of accommodation. Now that's completely impossible for another generation or two. Most British know someone who was involved in the conflict and for a government to give up the Falklands now would be electoral suicide.

 

The second irony is that it was the head of the Argentine Navy who was gung-ho for invasion, convinced the British would not respond militarily. After the Belgrano was sank, the Argentine Navy ran away. By contrast it's acknowledged the Argentine Air Force fought well and so did the conscript army until the final collapse of morale.

 

The third irony is that like the military government of that time, Kirchner is using belligerence over the issue as a distraction from Argentina's economic woes.

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Nobody commented on the chosen race venue.

How many miles offshore, and at what depth do the opti's need to be, to have a good race?

Submarines seldom visit places known to be regularly populated by leisure craft.

It is quite likely that this is a route they regularly take and quite likely this was a (near) accident waiting to happen.

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Submarines seldom visit places known to be regularly populated by leisure craft.

Not as seldom as all that. I've memories of sailing on a black night out of the Clyde and being overtaken by an equally black submarine. Subs also interact with yachts in Plymouth Sound.

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\Submarines seldom visit places known to be regularly populated by leisure craft.\

 

Haha!

 

Ever sailed on the Thames? As in New London? There's a submarine builder up there...and the whole yachty world of Long Island Sound.

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Not like the Thames, Clyde, San Juan de Fuca, San Diego, Norfolk or St Mary's RIver/Cumberland Sound are secret submarine locations. If you are a mariner frequenting those places, you should know where you are and what the traffic is likely to be.

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Part of the Royal Navy's problem in the Falklands was that they went with no AEW capability. The Argentine Super Entards came in very low and couldn't be picked up on Radar except when they climbed to gain missile aiming data. Very shortly after the war the AEW Sea King helicopter came into service.

 

The problem was that the reliance was on ship mounted radar, on the type 42's (HMS Sheffield and HMS Coventry were 42's here) which were older, and had some technical problems, and to a lesser extent the new (then) Type 22s, which had great air defence - we were in the middle of a building programme - only two of these were available.

 

The primary point of defence was around the two carrier groups, built around the brand new HMS Invincible, and HMS Hermes. Therefore, the 42's were used as picket air radar defence (hence they got clobbered first), and the 22s were close in defence. The less capable ships, the older 21s, were used in St Carlos water...

 

The UK isn't the US, they don't have 10 carrier groups, what they had for that campaign was pretty much everything, apart from the CSND. So, with limited resources, from an initial invasion by Argentinian forces on the 2nd April, to their eventual surrender on 14th June, about 10 weeks later, and before the southern winter, could be considered a major success.

 

I thought one of the high points of that campaign was when Prince Andrew flew his chopper over his ship as a diversion for the Exocets, which home on the high point of the mass of the ship.

 

Can you imagine the son of any of your Presidents doing that - or being allowed to? He was second in succession at the time.

 

Depends on who you mean by "any" of our US Presidents. Many Presidents have had sons on the front lines, and several have had sons killed in war. Unfortunately I think that's changed, the current crop who consider themselves "leaders" in Washington also consider themselves above harm, which is both stupid and morally repugnant.

 

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Is the mark not anchored to the bottom? What is the sub doing in water shallow enough to lay out marks for an Opti race? Or did they lay out the marks in the middle of the shipping channel??

 

Ditto. I'm not yet sold that this picture was not photo-shopped. There is no way the mark could be that close to the submarine stern and not get snagged. Is there any other press report of this incident?

he snagged it alright, had to have the local coasties help him get it off. My daughter was in frame in one of the shots and her buddy who was in hot pursuit of the sub swears he tagged the hull (I'm not sure how legit that claim is...)

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Nobody commented on the chosen race venue.

How many miles offshore, and at what depth do the opti's need to be, to have a good race?

Submarines seldom visit places known to be regularly populated by leisure craft.

It is quite likely that this is a route they regularly take and quite likely this was a (near) accident waiting to happen.

Mar del Plata, Argentina a popular one design venue since 1966 as well as a commercial fishing and Naval port. It is Argentina's biggest summer resort area as well. They are sailing in the Atlantic Ocean about a mile from the harbor entrance, so it's not like there isn't room for the sub to circumvent the fleet. There were 160 Optis as well as Snipes, 420s, Cadets, Lasers, and some others as well. You might think they would have noticed that many boats as well as the support craft.

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There was a story in Yachting World some years ago about a sailing boat that hit a surfacing sub (that did not have nav lights on) at night in a distance race. Bowman saw something black ahead and yelled to the captain to make evasive maneuvers. They still hit parts of the sub's tower and stripped it for antennas etc. I do not remember if the rig came down on the sailboat or not. Was a good read, but i could not find it when i googled it now.

 

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Is the mark not anchored to the bottom? What is the sub doing in water shallow enough to lay out marks for an Opti race? Or did they lay out the marks in the middle of the shipping channel??

Ditto. I'm not yet sold that this picture was not photo-shopped. There is no way the mark could be that close to the submarine stern and not get snagged. Is there any other press report of this incident?

 

he snagged it alright, had to have the local coasties help him get it off. My daughter was in frame in one of the shots and her buddy who was in hot pursuit of the sub swears he tagged the hull (I'm not sure how legit that claim is...)

The photo is not photo shopped. My son was there and he roomed with the kid at the weather mark. He said that he saw the sub come up and it actually went back down long enough to round the mark. He didn't say anything about making contact with the sub.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Salta_(S-31)

 

Hey the Sub is just having a mid-life crisis! It just turned 40 years old and perhaps some of the gadgets are not working like they are supposed to. Then throw in an economic crisis and very little money for fuel so little training and things happen...

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There was a story in Yachting World some years ago about a sailing boat that hit a surfacing sub (that did not have nav lights on) at night in a distance race. Bowman saw something black ahead and yelled to the captain to make evasive maneuvers. They still hit parts of the sub's tower and stripped it for antennas etc. I do not remember if the rig came down on the sailboat or not. Was a good read, but i could not find it when i googled it now.

 

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Is this the story you're thinking of?

 

 

there was a famous incident maybe 20yrs ago when a sub stuck it's periscope through the topsides of the old whitbread maxi Drum, I think somewhere off Scotland, I assume the Royal Navy paid for the damage.....

There was indeed. Ask The Fish about that one.

 

The midnight offender was a British diesel-electric boat, HMS Otus, at periscope/snorkel depth just off the Mull of Kintyre, but he wasn't looking out of the window.

 

I still have a chunk of anechoic tile sitting on my desk, and the custom-made commemorative rugby shirt.

 

We wuz lucky boyz. Gavin McKinnon heard faint noises of a diesel engine, and went up the foredeck to the headstay to look behind the genoa to see if he could spot a presumed fishing boat. Only to see masts (periscope & snorkel) churning towards us with a frothing bow wave, all lit up in the glow of our bow nav lights. He came cantering back the foredeck screaming to The Fish "Up,up, up...."

 

Hit on the port bow about 1/2 way back, slid along the gunnels ripping out stanchions etc., then fetched up with a mighty bang on the capshrouds before slithering into the night.

 

If Fish hadn't put the helm down at once, we'd have hit head-on, and well.... no keel, instant Drum-roll, no distress call, cold Scottish water, and no Fish, no yours truly and no 20 other guys.

 

The RN coughed up though - admitted 100% liability. I insisted to the Admiral who came aboard afterwards in Crinan that it's all about keeping a proper lookout. So that's your answer.

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I was actually one of the RO of this race. I was actually at the pin.

 

we were having three opti fleet (53 boats each fleet) and then the cadet class (16 boats approx).

 

We had already started with the blue fleet when we saw the submarine approaching the course from ashore.

 

We contacted the port authorities and the following conversation -in spanish- took place

 

"COAST GUARD, COAST GUARD, THIS IS RACE COMITEE BOAT", "WE ARE WATCHING A SUBMARINE APPROACHING THE RACE COURSE, APPARENTLY WILL CROSS IT", "THIS IS COAST GUARD, THE SUB WILL PASS TO WINDWARD OF THE COURSE", "OK COASTGUARD, IT SEEMS TO BE AIMING AT THE RACECOURSE"-"NO, IT WILL PASS TO WINDWARD".

 

We started the Red Fleet and when we were on the final minute of the Yellow fleet start under Black Flag, one of the officers starts shouting...

 

"She is taking it... She is taking it... That stupid morron is taking the windward mark"... and we turned to watch the buoy to follow the sub... wich immetiatelly stopped and started drifting towards the outer looper of the course.

 

of course we forgot about the start, cancelled the race and started gathering the boats to send them ashore (it would have been the third race of the day).

 

Then Capizzano (the photographer) grabbed the buoy and cleared the line of the sub (we were on 20/25meters depth waters).

 

I think you will find this video interesting.

 

 

And please support Sailing Anarchy!!

 

Mingo

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I was actually one of the RO of this race. I was actually at the pin.

 

we were having three opti fleet (53 boats each fleet) and then the cadet class (16 boats approx).

 

We had already started with the blue fleet when we saw the submarine approaching the course from ashore.

 

We contacted the port authorities and the following conversation -in spanish- took place

 

"COAST GUARD, COAST GUARD, THIS IS RACE COMITEE BOAT", "WE ARE WATCHING A SUBMARINE APPROACHING THE RACE COURSE, APPARENTLY WILL CROSS IT", "THIS IS COAST GUARD, THE SUB WILL PASS TO WINDWARD OF THE COURSE", "OK COASTGUARD, IT SEEMS TO BE AIMING AT THE RACECOURSE"-"NO, IT WILL PASS TO WINDWARD".

 

We started the Red Fleet and when we were on the final minute of the Yellow fleet start under Black Flag, one of the officers starts shouting...

 

"She is taking it... She is taking it... That stupid morron is taking the windward mark"... and we turned to watch the buoy to follow the sub... wich immetiatelly stopped and started drifting towards the outer looper of the course.

 

of course we forgot about the start, cancelled the race and started gathering the boats to send them ashore (it would have been the third race of the day).

 

Then Capizzano (the photographer) grabbed the buoy and cleared the line of the sub (we were on 20/25meters depth waters).

 

I think you will find this video interesting.

 

 

And please support Sailing Anarchy!!

 

Mingo

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I was actually one of the RO of this race. I was actually at the pin.

 

we were having three opti fleet (53 boats each fleet) and then the cadet class (16 boats approx).

 

We had already started with the blue fleet when we saw the submarine approaching the course from ashore.

 

We contacted the port authorities and the following conversation -in spanish- took place

 

"COAST GUARD, COAST GUARD, THIS IS RACE COMITEE BOAT", "WE ARE WATCHING A SUBMARINE APPROACHING THE RACE COURSE, APPARENTLY WILL CROSS IT", "THIS IS COAST GUARD, THE SUB WILL PASS TO WINDWARD OF THE COURSE", "OK COASTGUARD, IT SEEMS TO BE AIMING AT THE RACECOURSE"-"NO, IT WILL PASS TO WINDWARD".

 

We started the Red Fleet and when we were on the final minute of the Yellow fleet start under Black Flag, one of the officers starts shouting...

 

"She is taking it... She is taking it... That stupid morron is taking the windward mark"... and we turned to watch the buoy to follow the sub... wich immetiatelly stopped and started drifting towards the outer looper of the course.

 

of course we forgot about the start, cancelled the race and started gathering the boats to send them ashore (it would have been the third race of the day).

 

Then Capizzano (the photographer) grabbed the buoy and cleared the line of the sub (we were on 20/25meters depth waters).

 

I think you will find this video interesting.

 

 

And please support Sailing Anarchy!!

 

Mingo

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I was actually one of the RO of this race. I was actually at the pin.

 

we were having three opti fleet (53 boats each fleet) and then the cadet class (16 boats approx).

 

We had already started with the blue fleet when we saw the submarine approaching the course from ashore.

 

We contacted the port authorities and the following conversation -in spanish- took place

 

"COAST GUARD, COAST GUARD, THIS IS RACE COMITEE BOAT", "WE ARE WATCHING A SUBMARINE APPROACHING THE RACE COURSE, APPARENTLY WILL CROSS IT", "THIS IS COAST GUARD, THE SUB WILL PASS TO WINDWARD OF THE COURSE", "OK COASTGUARD, IT SEEMS TO BE AIMING AT THE RACECOURSE"-"NO, IT WILL PASS TO WINDWARD".

 

We started the Red Fleet and when we were on the final minute of the Yellow fleet start under Black Flag, one of the officers starts shouting...

 

"She is taking it... She is taking it... That stupid morron is taking the windward mark"... and we turned to watch the buoy to follow the sub... wich immetiatelly stopped and started drifting towards the outer looper of the course.

 

of course we forgot about the start, cancelled the race and started gathering the boats to send them ashore (it would have been the third race of the day).

 

Then Capizzano (the photographer) grabbed the buoy and cleared the line of the sub (we were on 20/25meters depth waters).

 

I think you will find this video interesting.

 

 

And please support Sailing Anarchy!!

 

Mingo

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Thanks--great video!

Also, this proves that regardless of what some people say about US sailing, some kids from the US are sailing all winter...

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Ever sailed on the Thames? As in New London? There's a submarine builder up there...and the whole yachty world of Long Island Sound.

 

Do you suppose they will ever build another sub on the Thames? I wonder.

 

The sub base is still there, AFAIK.

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Ever sailed on the Thames? As in New London? There's a submarine builder up there...and the whole yachty world of Long Island Sound.

 

Do you suppose they will ever build another sub on the Thames? I wonder.

 

The sub base is still there, AFAIK.

 

The Future of the Free World Depends on it.

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Ever sailed on the Thames? As in New London? There's a submarine builder up there...and the whole yachty world of Long Island Sound.

 

Do you suppose they will ever build another sub on the Thames? I wonder.

 

The sub base is still there, AFAIK.

 

The Future of the Free World Depends on it.

 

We can sell them back the turkeys they sold us at a deep discount.

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