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Changes. Clean, you have no idea. With everyone purring over the arrival of the cute little bundle, no one notices the real transformation taking place. It's not just one new being that emerges from the delivery room but two. And thy name is Mother. That loving, free spirited girl you once knew will no longer exist and either will you're former self. You're sole purpose will be reduced to gathering resources for the offspring. And pity the man who falls short. Motherhood. Be warned. Watch Kill Bill Volvo I&II again for reference.

 

Not really. Change doesn't only affect mothers but fathers too. Haven't you noticed the sudden mellowing of the once merciless Mr Clean? The sailing and fitness freak suddenly moved by anonymous electronic friends to the point of posting on the internets the inners of his beloved spouse and future mother of their most precious precious?

 

Fatherhood is just as "debilitating" as motherhood, especially since it is a spectator sport.

 

That been said (or should I write "written"?), Mr Clean, Mazel Tof once more and may The Force be with you.

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Big belly laugh Southern Cross. Thanks mate. Clean, what he said is spot on!

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All the top 3 Oats, Comanche and Loyal have 1st rate crews. Loyal will be far better with Coxon onboard this year and they have a super dooper new monster VMG running kite, the biggest kite ever possibly? Oats have a new bow and extended DSS foil with some other tweaks, top notch crew as usual. It's going to be huge. CLEAN are you over for the Hobart? Wanna ride on a brand new Lagoon 620 to do the start and watch?

 

Nice offer TF but unfortunately (or fortunately, for those that hate me!), SA's Sydney-Hobart representation is going to be on Ronnie Simpson's shoulders. I am off to Miami for the Melges 32 Worlds on Sunday, then back here on the 12th, then off to Barcelona on the 29th for just three days for the start of the BWR, then home for two days, then to Melbourne for the Moth Worlds until the 16th, then straight to Key West for a week of racing.

 

In other words, as much as I'd have liked to come down again for the start/finish, I'm quite happy to be a spectator for this one, especially as pregnant wife really wanted to see me for more than 3 days this month!

 

Thought you might have commitments with an expectant wife. enjoy and maybe next time.

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pics?

nah I've got nothing yet CLEAN....

 

The ship is already dockside in Port Botany so hopefully they'll waste no time unloading the beast and we'll get a first glimpse tomorrow arvo

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They will probably lift her off first up in the morning around 0600-0700 at the start of day shift. They will be moving all the containers around her tonight so she's ready to lift straight off in the morning. How much is she supposed to weigh out of interest?

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They will probably lift her off first up in the morning around 0600-0700 at the start of day shift. They will be moving all the containers around her tonight so she's ready to lift straight off in the morning. How much is she supposed to weigh out of interest?

 

I think I remember 32-33t?

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Rags will retire, and for some reason I can't see both oats and Comanche finishing the race, one of them will retire as well

 

WTF? How often has Syd ever retired? It may have happened occasionally over such a long "career", but honestly I can't think of a single once. Any Sydneysiders got info?

 

And WOXI is the same - never retired that I can think of. In fact, while I don't think Ricko is the smartest sailor who will be on the start line, he knows the boat very, very well. He knows just how hard he can push, how hard he needs to push, and how much he can afford to back off. There's plenty of footage of WOXI under deep reef, but bugger all of her over-canvassed and flogging. He'll back off and let Comanche bash herself to bits - if they are silly enough.

 

IIRC in 2004 Rags (the IMS 50) retired from the Hobart race after they threw the rig over the side, and once another year when a southerly front kicked through as the fleet was off Botany and they shredded their main.

 

I do recall that WOXI has retired from an epic Gold Coast race when it blew 40+ out of the south on day 1 and they drove the boat over something that destroyed the front rudder (so must have been early in her career?). Again IIRC that was the year that all the big boats retired and Ray Roberts took line honours in his Cookson 50. They basically pumped the boat onto every wave for 380 miles (thank you powered winches!) and smoked the fleet.

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..... and once another year when a southerly front kicked through as the fleet was off Botany and they shredded their main......

 

 

that was 1984 off of Jervis Bay, big southerly and gooseneck started peeling off (the new) mast, main was intact.

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They will probably lift her off first up in the morning around 0600-0700 at the start of day shift. They will be moving all the containers around her tonight so she's ready to lift straight off in the morning. How much is she supposed to weigh out of interest?

 

I think I remember 32-33t?

31 tons, the keel is 15.

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Anyone who will take a trip over and get some offloading snaps...gets some swag!

I claim first non-team shots posted since the beast was taken off her transport vessel, where's me swag?

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Lol - still got the Pious. But our other car is now a 3L Turbo Diesel that you could call a tractor of sorts. Otherwise - I'm happy to show solidarity with ETNZ.

 

I'll look out for Comanche tonight going home. It can't be too easy to hide something that size in the harbour!

 

Traded in the Prius for a little tractor have we Munter?

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..... and once another year when a southerly front kicked through as the fleet was off Botany and they shredded their main......

 

 

that was 1984 off of Jervis Bay, big southerly and gooseneck started peeling off (the new) mast, main was intact.

It was 1996 that Rags shredded the main on the first afternoon (Brindabella also lost their rig again). They retired, picked up a new main & won the Pittwater to Coffs Harbour race which started the next day.

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Well done. What's the grey boat at the back? Looks very nice.

That's "Q" isn't it - Sandy Oatley's "swing keeler".

 

Comanche mast in 2 pieces.

 

Great photo wildboats!

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Great photo. Apart from the beam difference Com looks like it's sitting higher in the cradle, more draft? Amazing really, Com looks so much bigger and powerful but both sit at 2 opposites in the design spectrum. I wonder what RP would design Bob if he wanted a new Oats..?

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yep thats "Q" in the background

 

mast is all 1 piece - boom underneath it

 

OK, thanks. There must be a lot of foreshortening - the mast didn't look long enough. If someone could get a similar photo with both boats once C's mast is up, that would be interesting to compare.

 

WOXI looks like a slightly ageing, but elegant lady. Comanche looks like the neighborhood thug!

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yep thats "Q" in the background

 

mast is all 1 piece - boom underneath it

 

OK, thanks. There must be a lot of foreshortening - the mast didn't look long enough. If someone could get a similar photo with both boats once C's mast is up, that would be interesting to compare.

 

WOXI looks like a slightly ageing, but elegant lady. Comanche looks like the neighborhood thug!

+1, agree with Whispers WO more pleasing to the eye

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Comanche did look like it was sitting a foot higher - it's definitely got a deeper draft

 

still reckon the bulb has got an odd shape and angle to it - looks like it was stuck on wrong ??

 

 

 

another pic - a bit closer

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Get some photos of the nav lights please.......

 

The blokes on Comanche don't look real busy do they? Hourly rate?

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Get some photos of the nav lights please.......

 

The blokes on Comanche don't look real busy do they? Hourly rate?

 

Looks like they are waiting for bits Abbo? I suspect Com isn't racing in the Big Boat Challenge? They have near on a month to get ship shape and do some training and tweaks. They'll be in good shape.

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Time enough to lean, time enough to clean is the motto of any half decent BN.

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Had a quick looksee after work, even having seen the other shots just posted in this thread, it's hard to believe the width/size of this thing until you see it up close...

 

will upload some pics once i figure out how to reduce the file sizes... doh.

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yeah agree Wut? - you gotta see this thing to believe it

 

I wanted to get some shots from underneath but it was just too busy - friggn Comanche t-shirts everywhere

 

they also brought 3 shipping containers with them which were piling up on the hardstand

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Ha, truth. Lots of Comanche shirts, they were enjoying standing around looking important. Some crew sighted too (I assume, looked like grinder-apes. pure gorilla).

 

Was too distracted by ridiculous boat proportions to notice shipping containers.

yeah agree Wut? - you gotta see this thing to believe it

 

I wanted to get some shots from underneath but it was just too busy - friggn Comanche t-shirts everywhere

 

they also brought 3 shipping containers with them which were piling up on the hardstand

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Poor old Q :-/ $ per nm sailed its got to be one of the most expensive programmes ever. Can't knock someone for trying. They should sell her or get it back out on the water or maybe SYD can put a new hull underneath her.

 

one eats burgers and fries - the other one will just have the salad

 

IMG_1067.jpg

Great pic mate.

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Poor old Q :-/ $ per nm sailed its got to be one of the most expensive programmes ever. Can't knock someone for trying. They should sell her or get it back out on the water or maybe SYD can put a new hull underneath her.

 

one eats burgers and fries - the other one will just have the salad

 

IMG_1067.jpg

Great pic mate.

CHEERS :)

 

we always see these sorts of yachts side by side on the water but we rarely see them sitting in the same yard! - particularly these two with all the hype surrounding them.

 

the photo opp was pure gold.

 

all the old blokes living in the Woolwich Dock area have stopped taking Viagra I rekn

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I still think oats will win, but I really don't know why after seeing those pics. Maybe cause my boat is the same shape as oats? Who knows, the logical part of my brain doesn't always work right when faced with awesome race yachts.

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Poor old Q :-/ $ per nm sailed its got to be one of the most expensive programmes ever. Can't knock someone for trying. They should sell her or get it back out on the water or maybe SYD can put a new hull underneath her.

 

 

one eats burgers and fries - the other one will just have the salad

 

IMG_1067.jpg

Great pic mate.
CHEERS :)

 

we always see these sorts of yachts side by side on the water but we rarely see them sitting in the same yard! - particularly these two with all the hype surrounding them.

 

the photo opp was pure gold.

 

all the old blokes living in the Woolwich Dock area have stopped taking Viagra I rekn

Yeah that's the pic I've been waiting to see! Side by side and square on. That's a lot of boat to drag around an ocean.

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Comanche did look like it was sitting a foot higher - it's definitely got a deeper draft

 

still reckon the bulb has got an odd shape and angle to it - looks like it was stuck on wrong ??

 

 

 

another pic - a bit closer

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What's with all the speculation?

 

http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/

 

Comanche 6.8

WOXI 5.9

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OK Duncan how about SA to Displacement Ratio's whilst you are in the mood? Yes Com is fat but perhaps she has the sail area to haul arse? I think the Com boys have already acknowledged they have an Achilles heel, light wind would be the guess.

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Those wheels are so far apart they definitely need to do the two steerer thing in tacks and gybes.

There's probably a golf cart for Kenny to make the trip across the deck

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They have about a 200 degree ( out of 360 ) TWA Achilles heel IMHO.

We may be surprised. I'd say it's designed to sail at big heel angles to imit drag and wetted area. Loyal's sections are flatter. WOXI is designed to sail pretty upright downwind, given the DSS.

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Those wheels are so far apart they definitely need to do the two steerer thing in tacks and gybes.

There's probably a golf cart for Kenny to make the trip across the deck

Sailors and golf carts have always been a dangerous combination in my experience.

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They have about a 200 degree ( out of 360 ) TWA Achilles heel IMHO.

 

Really? Yes we know its wider than WO, but it's also lighter, deeper, more SA and the stick is further aft. I dare say it's substantially stiffer.

 

The difference is much more than just a fat arse. Upwind I reckon WO may have it, 120+ she'll get smoked very quickly.

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They have about a 200 degree ( out of 360 ) TWA Achilles heel IMHO.

 

Really? Yes we know its wider than WO, but it's also lighter, deeper, more SA and the stick is further aft. I dare say it's substantially stiffer.

 

The difference is much more than just a fat arse. Upwind I reckon WO may have it, 120+ she'll get smoked very quickly.

Whats Comanche weigh ?

I'd be surprised if that thing was significantly lighter than Oats

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I doubt Comanche is lighter. Can't be - much more structure in a much bigger hull. If it is lighter than WOXI then it must be lightly ballasted. WOXI is around 30 tonnes in sailing trim. Loyal is around 31-32 and I guess Comanche around the same

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They have about a 200 degree ( out of 360 ) TWA Achilles heel IMHO.

We may be surprised. I'd say it's designed to sail at big heel angles to imit drag and wetted area. Loyal's sections are flatter. WOXI is designed to sail pretty upright downwind, given the DSS.

Yes I agree it looks to be a better all round boat than Loyal in regard to WSA. But, as mentioned before you put a 2m sea state into the mix & you are suddenly back to large WSA, wave drag & boat breaking pounding. & you can keep your big heel angles it's a waste of SA heeling over so far.

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They have about a 200 degree ( out of 360 ) TWA Achilles heel IMHO.

Really? Yes we know its wider than WO, but it's also lighter, deeper, more SA and the stick is further aft. I dare say it's substantially stiffer.

 

The difference is much more than just a fat arse. Upwind I reckon WO may have it, 120+ she'll get smoked very quickly.

I think the weights are speculative & more likely much closer than we think. Comanche is taller, wider, deeper & while construction methods have improved I can't see her being "much" lighter.

 

As above Comanche will need more SA as she sails further heeled to clear her ass, add in a sea state & you've got more WSA than oats, more wave drag etc.

 

Deeper keel is more RM for the weight buy also more drag in the water. Didn't Wild Thing prove you don't make up the extra drag ( different hull shape though )

 

I think the advantage is over at 120 and WOXI would be starting to shut the door. I think Comanche's advantage would be 70/80 - 120/130.

 

Of course, designers probably have a clue, this is all just my guesswork from my armchair.

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Don't forget Comanche has been designed to lift her bow where as WO has retro fitted DSS to achieve the same, how much drag is involved there?

 

Anyway it's farking mouth watering, although wouldn't mind if Rags sailed around both of them.

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They have about a 200 degree ( out of 360 ) TWA Achilles heel IMHO.

 

Really? Yes we know its wider than WO, but it's also lighter, deeper, more SA and the stick is further aft. I dare say it's substantially stiffer.

 

The difference is much more than just a fat arse. Upwind I reckon WO may have it, 120+ she'll get smoked very quickly.

Whats Comanche weigh ?

I'd be surprised if that thing was significantly lighter than Oats

 

at 31 it's 4t heavier

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Don't forget Comanche has been designed to lift her bow where as WO has retro fitted DSS to achieve the same, how much drag is involved there?

 

Anyway it's farking mouth watering, although wouldn't mind if Rags sailed around both of them.

Yep can't wait to watch it. I didn't think RAGS would actually be on the water so they should put in a good showing too. Possibility for OATS to come 3rd if the weather goes Comanche & Loyals way.

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