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1 minute ago, enigmatically said:

True but its a trade off of risk:

Go over the front and risk being sliced and diced, or

go over the front onto the net AND the boat inverts AND get knocked unconscious

And so far no-one has inverted, so I think on balance the net would be safer

They have a knife for the case the boat inverts, and I have even seen some with a small air bottle.

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35 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

They have a knife for the case the boat inverts, and I have even seen some with a small air bottle.

Good one TC - the things you pick up on eh!

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1 hour ago, Alcatraz5768 said:

Imagine how much fun that net would be if the boat was upside down and you were under it though. Don't forget that cats naturally want to invert. 

I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to make a net with the necessary give and placement to allow someone to get to the surface even if it's upside down on top of them.

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29 minutes ago, nav said:

 

I was being sarcastic TC. Your list is out of date and your powers of observation, for someone so opinionated - leave a little to be desired....

Ah ah , you don't let me an opportunity not to contradict you :)

First, why do you assume I did not know you were sarcastic ?

Second, yes, I have seen bottles

Third, the list I posted may be old, but the photo I post here is on the top of GTF facebook page, is not that a bottle of Pinot ?

 

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1 hour ago, enigmatically said:

True but its a trade off of risk:

Go over the front and risk being sliced and diced, or

go over the front onto the net AND the boat inverts AND get knocked unconscious

And so far no-one has inverted, so I think on balance the net would be safer

I agree, was just raising the point that air is only good to you if you are conscious to breathe it.

Personally, I don't think these boats are as unsafe as people make them out to be.

Bart died because Artemis did a shit job of designing and building their boat. All the other teams' members went home unscathed.

Just hope nobody has repeated this mistaken. Thankfully it looks like they haven't

 

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6 hours ago, jaysper said:

I agree, was just raising the point that air is only good to you if you are conscious to breathe it.

Personally, I don't think these boats are as unsafe as people make them out to be.

Bart died because Artemis did a shit job of designing and building their boat. All the other teams' members went home unscathed.

Just hope nobody has repeated this mistaken. Thankfully it looks like they haven't

 

 

Except for Artemis again. Didn't they have a boat fall apart in Bermuda?

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11 hours ago, enigmatically said:

True but its a trade off of risk:

Go over the front and risk being sliced and diced, or

go over the front onto the net AND the boat inverts AND get knocked unconscious

And so far no-one has inverted, so I think on balance the net would be safer

Inverting is actually probably reasonably hard on these, you pretty much have to break something pretty badly because the wing floats, so basically one of the beam, mast step or shrouds really have to give before the boat can invert. A pitchpole might do it I suppose, although they actually pull up surprisingly fast even when you send them down the mine.

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GTF went on the back end of the 8 oclock news on France's biggest channel. That's rarer than seeing a hen with teeth. Wasn't bad either, not a SINGLE mention of wussel, just the tech.

https://www.tf1.fr/tf1/jt-20h/videos/20-heures-25-mai-2017.html

you do need an account to see this though :/

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Cammas said they did their best with the material the had (was he alluding the foils ? the control system? ) but that the crew did a good job.

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Au revoir. 

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2 hours ago, Nutta said:

Au revoir. 

Yup. They're screwed sadly.

They took 10% longer to get around the track than their opponents. 

Thats far further off the pace than I expected. 

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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Sorry, we need it! I was starting to be worried that we would come back empty handed.

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Fantastic race. GTF is short of about 1 month short of training and fine tuning to be among the top teams.

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8 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Fantastic race. GTF is short of about 1 month short of training and fine tuning to be among the top teams.

I disagree, I don't think the massive deficit can be explained by practice/fine tuning alone. They lost by more than 2 minutes to two of the top contenders.

Their boat is simply too slow due to a design deficit which neither fine tuning nor practice can hope to close.

I just hope they return next time and with a better budget.

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12 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I disagree, I don't think the massive deficit can be explained by practice/fine tuning alone. They lost by more than 2 minutes to two of the top contenders.

Their boat is simply too slow due to a design deficit which neither fine tuning nor practice can hope to close.

I just hope they return next time and with a better budget.

The boats not fundamentally slow, it's just the control systems are absolutely horrible, your right though they are not going to tune the problems out of it, only significant technological development would do that.

Pretty sure if you did an analysis of their performances on day 1 you find more than half of your 2 minutes in the times they weren't foiling.

Give them a day when conditions are easy and they can almost hold it together, but their control system is never going to be up to keeping the boat flying in dificult conditions.

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26 minutes ago, Boybland said:

The boats not fundamentally slow, it's just the control systems are absolutely horrible, your right though they are not going to tune the problems out of it, only significant technological development would do that.

Pretty sure if you did an analysis of their performances on day 1 you find more than half of your 2 minutes in the times they weren't foiling.

Give them a day when conditions are easy and they can almost hold it together, but their control system is never going to be up to keeping the boat flying in dificult conditions.

I think you would find their foils are relatively crap also.

But even if it is only control, that is one of the most fundamental design elements of the boat and is a key reason while they were not foiling. 

Just ask UK and Japan. They successfully converted small deficits into huge deficits through the simple trick of piss poor control for only relatively small sections of the race.

Over the years French teams have pissed me off and disappointed me in equal measures because they are typically very likeable but never seem to resource their campaigns properly and this team is a classic example.

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On 2017-05-17 at 11:25 PM, Sailbydate said:

 

Cammas explained us that the control of the rudder rake was on the side, behind him, that he tried not to use too often. On the other, as I guessed in a previous post, as it is logic, Nathan on Artemis has a handle controling, not the foil but the rudder rake, like a plane. When you watch the video he constantly change the handle position to keep the bow close but out of the water. It was just making sense.

So, yes, GTF today showed they were as fast as the other ones but their controls are crappy. They were able to make it in light conditions, if tomorrow is more windy, they will not abe able to control their boat as ususal, I am afraid, but hope not.

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Well done Team France. Hadn't had the time to congratulate them until now. In some ways it's not a real shocker. As proven in the ACWS Cammas & his Team excel in light airs. Yesterday he proved it in the AC Boats.

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Fantastic to see Team France win!

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28 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Well done Team France. Hadn't had the time to congratulate them until now. In some ways it's not a real shocker. As proven in the ACWS Cammas & his Team excel in light airs. Yesterday he proved it in the AC Boats.

Man you're a pancake. A day or two ago you were talking shit about FC

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38 minutes ago, Doug Lord said:

Fantastic to see Team France win!

 

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Race 13: LRB vs France   Winner ? 
Race 14:  NZ  vs   Sweden     Winner ?
Race 15: France vs Japan       Winner ? 

Predictions ?

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Great vid-thanks! Cool as hell seeing Martin Fischer sitting with the crowd-and obviously enjoying the result!

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10 hours ago, jaysper said:

I think you would find their foils are relatively crap also.

But even if it is only control, that is one of the most fundamental design elements of the boat and is a key reason while they were not foiling. 

Just ask UK and Japan. They successfully converted small deficits into huge deficits through the simple trick of piss poor control for only relatively small sections of the race.

Over the years French teams have pissed me off and disappointed me in equal measures because they are typically very likeable but never seem to resource their campaigns properly and this team is a classic example.

Stop spitting shit.

GTF is in the AC35 to learn. The last few years they had other priorities. LAC and GC32 Cup to name two. And won almost everything. So wait for AC36.

BTW: GTF IS the best national team in AC35 ;-) 

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1 hour ago, Green Dragon1 said:

Race 13: LRB vs France   Winner ? 
Race 14:  NZ  vs   Sweden     Winner ?
Race 15: France vs Japan       Winner ? 

Predictions ?

Do you really need to post this in every thread?

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Way to go Team France !!! Spectacular.......

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Oh dear, I wonder if it is inconsistency from Groupama or Team Japan finding the turbo...

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2 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

Oh dear, I wonder if it is inconsistency from Groupama or Team Japan finding the turbo...

GTF was simply slower this time. Tired ? tech problem ? don't know.

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Thinking twice, I just wonder if the crew was not just exhausted from the first race and if they could deliver enough hydro.

They learn quickly, very quickly, they need to win the next 2 races to go to the LV. Let's hope they will have light conditions.

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In the press conference Cammas was talking of lack of power as the conditions were more breezy. I wonder if they lack Fitness or simply have less efficient systems. 

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5 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

In the press conference Cammas was talking of lack of power as the conditions were more breezy. I wonder if they lack Fitness or simply have less efficient systems. 

Ah, that confirms my guess. Cammas already explained in the first races that they lost, that the crew did well with the material they had, so... the systems. De la potion magique il faut maintenant.

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2 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

De la potion magique il faut maintenant.

May be I can get a job there! 

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Any legs to the rumor GTF have received foil control system as a gift from OR. Heard on radio today from PJ Montgomery. Hence improvements. O the intrigue.... 

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I have not watched all the TV coverage so far, but I have watched a lot of it.

I am yet to hear any talk from the broadcast crews about how varied and dominant Franck Cammas has been in so many other sailing events. We have to listen over and over about Sir Ben's Olympic dominance of the Finn class and How the sun simply glows from Jimmy's ass and Pete Burling Olympic 49.

It's starting to offended my sailing fan sensibilities.

The JV Trophy. First foil assist in the south ocean.

Volvo. On his first try.

RTR. Crushed it.

Little Cup

And that's just the stuff this ignorant New Zealander knows about cause I don't speak French.

Come on Ken Reed. This Dude has the most varied success of all the Skippers.

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On 29/05/2017 at 1:50 PM, Tornado-Cat said:

Cammas explained us that the control of the rudder rake was on the side, behind him, that he tried not to use too often. On the other, as I guessed in a previous post, as it is logic, Nathan on Artemis has a handle controling, not the foil but the rudder rake, like a plane. When you watch the video he constantly change the handle position to keep the bow close but out of the water. It was just making sense.

So, yes, GTF today showed they were as fast as the other ones but their controls are crappy. They were able to make it in light conditions, if tomorrow is more windy, they will not abe able to control their boat as ususal, I am afraid, but hope not.

I think you will find that the paddles on the ART  wheels are the main foil rake one up one down in increments unless both pulled back in a oh shit moment. Rudder rake is controlled by a button on the wheel not used as much.

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23 minutes ago, rustylaru said:

I have not watched all the TV coverage so far, but I have watched a lot of it.

I am yet to hear any talk from the broadcast crews about how varied and dominant Franck Cammas has been in so many other sailing events. We have to listen over and over about Sir Ben's Olympic dominance of the Finn class and How the sun simply glows from Jimmy's ass and Pete Burling Olympic 49.

It's starting to offended my sailing fan sensibilities.

The JV Trophy. First foil assist in the south ocean.

Volvo. On his first try.

RTR. Crushed it.

Little Cup

And that's just the stuff this ignorant New Zealander knows about cause I don't speak French.

Come on Ken Reed. This Dude has the most varied success of all the Skippers.

+1

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21 minutes ago, rustylaru said:

I have not watched all the TV coverage so far, but I have watched a lot of it.

I am yet to hear any talk from the broadcast crews about how varied and dominant Franck Cammas has been in so many other sailing events. We have to listen over and over about Sir Ben's Olympic dominance of the Finn class and How the sun simply glows from Jimmy's ass and Pete Burling Olympic 49.

It's starting to offended my sailing fan sensibilities.

The JV Trophy. First foil assist in the south ocean.

Volvo. On his first try.

RTR. Crushed it.

Little Cup

And that's just the stuff this ignorant New Zealander knows about cause I don't speak French.

Come on Ken Reed. This Dude has the most varied success of all the Skippers.

The problem isnt talent, its money.

Not suggesting they would definitely win with more money but at least they would have a chance.

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32 minutes ago, jaysper said:

The problem isnt talent, its money.

Not suggesting they would definitely win with more money but at least they would have a chance.

I'm not talking about Cammas chance of winning.

I'm talking about what I perceive to be a lack of respect shown in the coverage to a true legend. Not a 1 hit wonder. Not a single event specialist like Barker or Spitthail.  

He fucking crushed the Volvo. Got faster every leg. Maybe the skipper of Puma Racing doesn't know that.

Maybe it's the need to pretend that the cup is the pinnacle of sailing. Don't get me wrong, I think this cycle is amazing. But it is for the beauty queens of the sport.

End rant.

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I think Frank Cammas is a legend with so many wins in so many types of boats and types of regattas.  He should have been ISAF Sailor of the Year after the Volvo win.

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11 hours ago, minimumfuss said:

Any legs to the rumor GTF have received foil control system as a gift from OR. Heard on radio today from PJ Montgomery. Hence improvements. O the intrigue.... 

 

When they virtually begged for a $16,000 valve I figured some kind sole would pony up. The very recent photos I posted with the cover off their foil well seemed to suggest that they had gone 'more hydraulic' than what looked more like direct grinding of some weeks before. But then there are a variety of controls so?

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That they would have received a valve, perhaps, don't know. But if they had received a system they would have probably not lost as they did against. One member of TF mentioned that the wind increased in that race, and if they have control limitations, well...

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Still a big gap with OR but they halfed it in 3 days. GTF just needs to go to the LV to keep on improving, but BAR drastically improved their boats and have their 2 bonus points.

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17 hours ago, rustylaru said:

I have not watched all the TV coverage so far, but I have watched a lot of it.

I am yet to hear any talk from the broadcast crews about how varied and dominant Franck Cammas has been in so many other sailing events. We have to listen over and over about Sir Ben's Olympic dominance of the Finn class and How the sun simply glows from Jimmy's ass and Pete Burling Olympic 49.

It's starting to offended my sailing fan sensibilities.

The JV Trophy. First foil assist in the south ocean.

Volvo. On his first try.

RTR. Crushed it.

Little Cup

And that's just the stuff this ignorant New Zealander knows about cause I don't speak French.

Come on Ken Reed. This Dude has the most varied success of all the Skippers.

+1

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10 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Still a big gap with OR but they halfed it in 3 days. GTF just needs to go to the LV to keep on improving, but BAR drastically improved their boats and have their 2 bonus points.

fuck those points...wasn't like last cycle where the point was for *Cheating*, these points were for spending (cost effective cycle), shit loads of money trucking obsolete boats around the world and racing them in 2 day pointless windows.

hope TF takes a good score home and is proud. FC is a legend.

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12 hours ago, barfy said:

fuck those points...wasn't like last cycle where the point was for *Cheating*, these points were for spending (cost effective cycle), shit loads of money trucking obsolete boats around the world and racing them in 2 day pointless windows.

hope TF takes a good score home and is proud. FC is a legend.

+1

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It doesn't look good... I think that Artemis need to loose all their races and TFG need to win them all.

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feel for france today.. Was so close

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44 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

It doesn't look good... I think that Artemis need to loose all their races and TFG need to win them all.

Problem is that they are good in strong conditions and in light ones either.

 

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7 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Problem is that they are good in strong conditions and in light ones either.

 

To Win against ETNZ they need a fair bit of luck to say the least, IMHO they really needed to win against the Brits to stand a fair chance of finishing ahead of Artemis...

If they don't go through, they will really struggle to find sponsors for the next time.

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1 hour ago, Panoramix said:

To Win against ETNZ they need a fair bit of luck to say the least, IMHO they really needed to win against the Brits to stand a fair chance of finishing ahead of Artemis...

If they don't go through, they will really struggle to find sponsors for the next time.

Agreed, and the problem, even more than lack of money, was lack of training because late at each step of the AC. Let's hope for the best....and after,.... inch allah.

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OT but about 'next time' there was a curious link in the Italian newspaper La Stampa a day or two back, about a rumored approach supposedly by LRBAR to collaborate in AC36 with a prospective Italian syndicate. Was a short blurb so I skipped posting the Gtran.

ETNZ-LR was a bit of a disaster but maybe a successful BAR-ITL arrangement is in the works. BAR did for sure get a lot built at or by Persico.

The most intriguing possibility of course is that the approach has been made to Patrizio $B.

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Absolutely amateur move to blow that win against BAR.

Both boats were down speed and instead of sticking their boat between BAR and the finish, they separated and missed the gust.

This banging the boundaries competition sucks, but it was quite clear to me that wasn't the time to do it!

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38 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

OT but about 'next time' there was a curious link in the Italian newspaper La Stampa a day or two back, about a rumored approach supposedly by LRBAR to collaborate in AC36 with a prospective Italian syndicate. Was a short blurb so I skipped posting the Gtran.

ETNZ-LR was a bit of a disaster but maybe a successful BAR-ITL arrangement is in the works. BAR did for sure get a lot built at or by Persico.

The most intriguing possibility of course is that the approach has been made to Patrizio $B.

I don't think ETNZ-LR was a disaster. Not for ETNZ at least.

LR was always going to be our poodle, but this was because Bertelli's (obvious) goal is to get the cup off Lazza so he can then challenge on fair terms against ETNZ.

We have to remember that LR were only poodles towards a goal. Previously, they have been fierce challengers and will hopefully be again one day.

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7 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I don't think ETNZ-LR was a disaster. Not for ETNZ at least.

LR was always going to be our poodle, but this was because Bertelli's (obvious) goal is to get the cup off Lazza so he can then challenge on fair terms against ETNZ.

We have to remember that LR were only poodles towards a goal. Previously, they have been fierce challengers and will hopefully be again one day.

Yes, not for ETNZ at least but perhaps P$B would consider other alternatives in hindsight. It's unlikely that the rumor was just made up out of thin air and published in that newspaper.

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1 hour ago, ~Stingray~ said:

OT but about 'next time' there was a curious link in the Italian newspaper La Stampa a day or two back, about a rumored approach supposedly by LRBAR to collaborate in AC36 with a prospective Italian syndicate. Was a short blurb so I skipped posting the Gtran.

ETNZ-LR was a bit of a disaster but maybe a successful BAR-ITL arrangement is in the works. BAR did for sure get a lot built at or by Persico.

The most intriguing possibility of course is that the approach has been made to Patrizio $B.

LR was only a disaster because they didn't have the finances to really challenge, pretty sure there was nothing preventing them building a second improved boat if they wanted just like ETNZ did.

I really like Challengers pairing up and collaborating and then seperating away come race time, it seems to me that this is probably the single biggest cost saving mechanism that doesn't have any real negative impact on the event itself.

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34 minutes ago, Boybland said:

LR was only a disaster because they didn't have the finances to really challenge, pretty sure there was nothing preventing them building a second improved boat if they wanted just like ETNZ did.

I really like Challengers pairing up and collaborating and then seperating away come race time, it seems to me that this is probably the single biggest cost saving mechanism that doesn't have any real negative impact on the event itself.

On the first part, yes but the problem was less about money than how they started so late and couldn't keep up with their partner.

On the second, yes it's a potentially good way to benefit both existing and new teams - be those existing competitors wanna-win Challengers or the wanna-repeat Defender. In both cases they will still have to beat the design-purchasing 'partner' as part of their larger goal, along with having to beat everyone else too - even teams who (like ETNZ) may have partnered.

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1 hour ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Yes, not for ETNZ at least but perhaps P$B would consider other alternatives in hindsight. It's unlikely that the rumor was just made up out of thin air and published in that newspaper.

The TNZ - LR deal was great for both TNZ and LR. LR would not have entered without it, and then we would have had ART (non-foiler) and thats it for the challengers

Just ask either GD or PB and they will both say how good the relationship was, and importantly still is!

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37 minutes ago, Boybland said:

LR was only a disaster because they didn't have the finances to really challenge, pretty sure there was nothing preventing them building a second improved boat if they wanted just like ETNZ did.

I really like Challengers pairing up and collaborating and then seperating away come race time, it seems to me that this is probably the single biggest cost saving mechanism that doesn't have any real negative impact on the event itself.

I'm not sure it was the $$$.

They just didn't have the time to build a design team capable of taking the design from boat 1 to boat 2.

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4 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

OT but about 'next time' there was a curious link in the Italian newspaper La Stampa a day or two back, about a rumored approach supposedly by LRBAR to collaborate in AC36 with a prospective Italian syndicate. Was a short blurb so I skipped posting the Gtran.

ETNZ-LR was a bit of a disaster but maybe a successful BAR-ITL arrangement is in the works. BAR did for sure get a lot built at or by Persico.

The most intriguing possibility of course is that the approach has been made to Patrizio $B.

Just another spin post by the'bot

PB decided this AC was not for him when the poodles ganged up on LR over the ac62, bar was one of the poodles, but you are spinning that PB is going to kick into touch the partner who might just win this AC in favour of in your words the 'ugly Ben '..

You have so many posts hating on PB,GD, LR and team NZ and here is one more....

47,001..

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Would you partner with Team LAR/F1/Upgrade/BAR?

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6 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

On the first part, yes but the problem was less about money than how they started so late and couldn't keep up with their partner.

On the second, yes it's a potentially good way to benefit both existing and new teams - be those existing competitors wanna-win Challengers or the wanna-repeat Defender. In both cases they will still have to beat the design-purchasing 'partner' as part of their larger goal, along with having to beat everyone else too - even teams who (like ETNZ) may have partnered.

and although it pains me to press the "don't ignore"button.. you must surely be talking about Team Sushi here? The wanna-be no body except a friend of the wanna-repeat-at-all-costs-again Defender?

And how is that at all in the same category as the "disaster" LR-ETNZ collaboration? Which was two Challs working together in the design phase to mount a challenge. Which used to not include the fucking defender. Which has at some points included a defender series before the defender ate the defending yacht club.

Anyway, don't pollute this thread with your fucking bullshit...Franck is a standup and all he has sucked is maybe a deferral of the entry fee.  And signed a bunch of poodle shit. Sigh

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It's just, as I posted already, it's just 'an intriguing possibility' that the rumored BAR approach was made to P$B - as opposed to some other potential ITA entry. Since we've heard no whispers of some other Italian party there's little else to speculate about, right? 

I agree it's a remote possibility, but again the rumor snippet was published in a normally well-informed, including well Prada-informed, newspaper.

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14 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

It's just, as I posted already, it's just 'an intriguing possibility' that the rumored BAR approach was made to P$B - as opposed to some other potential ITA entry. Since we've heard no whispers of some other Italian party there's little else to speculate about, right? 

I agree it's a remote possibility, but again the rumor snippet was published in a normally well-informed, including well Prada-informed, newspaper.

 

But you took the chance to snipe at ETNZ and Dalts as usual anyway

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57 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

It's just, as I posted already, it's just 'an intriguing possibility' that the rumored BAR approach was made to P$B - as opposed to some other potential ITA entry. Since we've heard no whispers of some other Italian party there's little else to speculate about, right? 

I agree it's a remote possibility, but again the rumor snippet was published in a normally well-informed, including well Prada-informed, newspaper.

 

Nah, if anything contacts would be with carpetbaggers à la Onorato. Italians only lime Kiwis, and PB wouldn't touch Perfidious Albion with a barge pole

 

 

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Oh dear, that's over for team France unless they win all races.

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Au Revoir Team FRance.

I hope you get some more funds next time and you will be very competitive.

Viva La France

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On the TNZ-GTF day 6 race video, we can see FC pushing buttons a lot on his wheel whereas PB doesn't use his fingers (the foil rake is continously adusted though).

Can anyone explain me the NZ setup ? How do they control their rake ?

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4 minutes ago, FeBo said:

On the NS-GTF day 6 race video, we can see FC pushing buttons a lot on his wheel whereas PB doesn't use his fingers.

Can anyone explain me the NZ setup ?

We would - but then we'd have to kill you..:P

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9 minutes ago, FeBo said:

On the TNZ-GTF day 6 race video, we can see FC pushing buttons a lot on his wheel whereas PB doesn't use his fingers (the foil rake is continously adusted though).

Can anyone explain me the NZ setup ? How do they control their rake ?

Someone else on boat is responsible of this rake control ? Would certainly help the helmsman.

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7 hours ago, Xlot said:

 

Nah, if anything contacts would be with carpetbaggers à la Onorato. Italians only lime Kiwis, and PB wouldn't touch Perfidious Albion with a barge pole

Most likely true about P$B, especially since ETNZ already owes them gawd-knows-what favors. But Onorato was quoted in the same paper recently as saying he has no interest in multihulls; whereas EB has said the opposite.

So.. I guess it could be an 'unknown' but interested party that was approached.

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4 hours ago, FeBo said:

Someone else on boat is responsible of this rake control ? Would certainly help the helmsman.

Yes, this is probably what we saw today, a crew just in front of PB, head down on a small screen, probably controlling the stability of the boat.

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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Most likely true about P$B, especially since ETNZ already owes them gawd-knows-what favors. But Onorato was quoted in the same paper recently as saying he has no interest in multihulls; whereas EB has said the opposite.

So.. I guess it could be an 'unknown' but interested party that was approached.

Interesting that you are the only one here promoting this 'fake news' and no surprise that you can't help having a stab at PB and team New Zealand ...

but then you have always felt that you influence this forum...remember when you and the west coast maf predicted 12-18 teams for this cycle? and your 'Intel' came up with three 'Fully funded French teams'...

47,742 posts....

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7 hours ago, ro! said:

Interesting that you are the only one here promoting this 'fake news' and no surprise that you can't help having a stab at PB and team New Zealand ...

but then you have always felt that you influence this forum...remember when you and the west coast maf predicted 12-18 teams for this cycle? and your 'Intel' came up with three 'Fully funded French teams'...

47,742 posts....

Time exposes bad intelligence..........

And lies. 

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On 6/3/2017 at 0:25 PM, Tornado-Cat said:

Yes, this is probably what we saw today, a crew just in front of PB, head down on a small screen, probably controlling the stability of the boat.

that the cameras just happened to hunt down until they got a good shot of

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au revoir Franck and team...well done.

great PR by you and your team doing candid vidys to explain the show to laymen in not dumbed down american terms like what is a fucking mark.

Smiles till the end, merci bermuda, a totally class act.

Hope we see you back again.

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“I hope the next America’s Cup keeps the same format and same boats. With us already having our base, those things being the same will make it easier for our team to continue and perform at the next America’s Cup.” Franck C.

ACDUH pressor

it's gonna be a really big show next time around if the format stays as the Bermuda 5 have agreed upon, many teams fighting it out for the F1ish prize of sailboat racing that the AC has been envisioned/bastardised to be. Cost cutting measures and sustainability will deliver us 5 teams in a spectacle spectacle. Again. If we're lucky. Maybe there will be a round robin with no-one getting voted off the island. 

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Am i the only one to think that FC is a master of offshore racing ,solo or with a team(Rhum ,Volvo..) ,a fantastic leader ,but perhaps not the best match racer and helmsman? Look at Ian Percy : he drives the team ,but he decided to choose an helmsman ...He should think about for the future . Billy Besson is an olympic helmsman..

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1 hour ago, camille said:

Am i the only one to think that FC is a master of offshore racing ,solo or with a team(Rhum ,Volvo..) ,a fantastic leader ,but perhaps not the best match racer and helmsman? Look at Ian Percy : he drives the team ,but he decided to choose an helmsman ...He should think about for the future . Billy Besson is an olympic helmsman..

Completely agree, FC is a grest sailor on the Ocean but Billy Besson was the logic choice. But more they everything, you need to begin on time in the AC, time is limited and each day counts. When they began training in Bermudas they were as stable as me the first day with a spinnaker on a windy day...

Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum....

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Franck c'était une joie de vous regarder les gars ... Les difficultés ne sont que des choses à surmonter, après tout ... reviens la prochaine série.

 

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What an amazing group, and what an amazing effort against mega teams who had a huge head start with data and tech going into the event. I hope we see France in the next cup.

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10 hours ago, barfy said:

au revoir Franck and team...well done.

great PR by you and your team doing candid vidys to explain the show to laymen in not dumbed down american terms like what is a fucking mark.

Smiles till the end, merci bermuda, a totally class act.

Hope we see you back again.

+1 These guys will be at the top of their game next time around. Hope Groupama stays in.

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