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rounded gunwhales look much more comfortable that the Laser, not sure how it compares to the Aero that also was posted today. Hopefully dinghy sailing gets a little easier to go fast!

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....mann,,I wish I was as well located as the UK is for dinghy producers

 

....I'd certainly welcome such an organization to partner my project with ;)

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A couple videos of the D Zero prototype sailing in the Czech republic and Valencia, Spain.

 

 

 

The D Zero reflects 5 years of development on the the "Punk" prototype created to fulfill the brief of "The performance beachboat for the 21st century"

 

Recreational versatility and robustness matched to sparkling performance, style and ergonomics.

 

Built by the passionate and skilled boat builders responsible for every medal winning Finn since 1996 as well as the spectacular D One and Melges 24

 

Sail by North Sails One Design - masters of the modern unstayed rig and winners of every Olympic Finn gold medal (and quite a few others) since 2000

 

Spars by Compotech (as D One)

 

Full harken fitout

 

4.2m x 1.42m x 0.38m

 

8.1m2 semi soft laminate sail on halyard - rake adjustable by chocks - competitive sailor weight between 70 and 90 kgs

 

Hull weight 40kgs. Light by any standard, but robust. I wouldn't recommend anyone lift it (or anything else above 25kg for that matter) unless in a gym for which they have been inducted by a fitness professional.

 

Tasty introductory deal soon to close.

 

Global distribution / dealership network, get in touch to arrange a demo sail.

 

Dan

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Built by the passionate and skilled boat builders responsible for every medal winning Finn since 1996 as well as the spectacular D One and Melges 24

 

Sail by North Sails One Design - masters of the modern unstayed rig and winners of every Olympic Finn gold medal (and quite a few others) since 2000

 

Dan

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...with those creds,,,it'd be hard for every buyer to not win an olympics! :P

 

 

...it looks like an easy skill-transfer for lazyer sailors,,but they'll miss the roly-poly game downwind,,,

--this boats too fast for that

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2008 is as new as they get ! other than slower boats designed since

 

laser late 60s

Star 190?

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Looks good, waiting for footage running in waves, definitely uses the full waterline, different direction than the aero.

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the prototype

 

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Its a good looking craft, just wish it had a spinnaker option too.

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...a shroudless boat with chute?---let me know how -that- works out :mellow:

 

 

 

...........add a trapeze too....can yer say 'human-slingshot'!?

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Its a good looking craft, just wish it had a spinnaker option too.

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...a shroudless boat with chute?---let me know how -that- works out :mellow:

 

 

 

...........add a trapeze too....can yer say 'human-slingshot'!?

MX-Ray

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unstayed mast with kite... works fine for a hiking boat:

 

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I'm not entirely sure why Devoti would commission another kited singlehander hiker though, so I guess those who 'wish the D Zero had a kite option' just need to buy the right boat from the range. ;-)

 

Anyway, enough about kites.... this boat (and the RS Aero) are fortuitously spared the expense, headache and degraded racing experience that tends to come with them in singlehanders, even if they are fun for blatting about.

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Its a good looking craft, just wish it had a spinnaker option too.

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...a shroudless boat with chute?---let me know how -that- works out :mellow:

 

 

 

...........add a trapeze too....can yer say 'human-slingshot'!?

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D-One dumbass

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unstayed mast with kite... works fine for a hiking boat::::D1

 

I'm not entirely sure why Devoti would commission another kited singlehander hiker though, so I guess those who 'wish the D Zero had a kite option' just need to buy the right boat from the range. ;-)

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...yeh ,my bad,,thilly me,,shoulda done some homework before blatting out! :(

 

 

MX-Ray

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.....exactly what I was thinking of

 

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D-One dumbass

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.yeh rub it in,eh! <_<

 

 

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D one looks so ugly though, those racks look like a last minute creation to me. The RS100 looks far better.

 

I'm sure there's plenty of threads on here that show people agree, or at least used to agree, with that.

 

But fashions change and nothing is cool forever.

 

Sail both : report back your findings, ideally on a thread that gives a shit ;-)

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.....y'all's sooo lucky in england, europe...the demographics and geography support so many OD classes,,

 

...................everyone get's their flavor

 

 

 

..when I was Lasering out of Falmouth for a year,,was amazed at the different levels of competition as well,,,,a sailor could race a decent local fleet most -every- weekend within a very small region,,,or travel not too far for national circuit,,and not much farther for Europa circuit........over here,,a drive to some national events would cover a trip from england to N.Africa! :mellow:

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London is blessed for a capital city- assuming of course you don't plan to buy property there, then there's no money for sailing ;-)

 

London itself has several reservoirs offering weekday and weekend sailing, plus several coast lines all within an hour and a bit. North and East London is easy distance Southend on Sea, Brightlingsea and Mersea; South/South East has all the spots in Kent- I'd pick Whitstable if I lived there, but that's because its a cool place to go as well as fantastic sailing. There's also a couple of reservoirs out that way. Bough Beech / Bewl Valley etc.

 

On the South Coast - easily accessible from Surrey & Buckinghamshire (standard London commuter belt), there's far too many clubs to choose from, not to mention unfair of me to suggest just the biggest ones as they may not be the best for family sailing.

 

West London has a couple of big reservoir clubs, plus some smaller ones which are good family feel. If JimC sees this post he can direct you further. 'Up North' Grafham is not that far up a major trunk road called the M11, but there are local options in St George's Reservoir and the Welsh Harp not so far too.

 

Probably best to hunt around for what suits for the domestic side, then post back a new thread to get some recommendations.

 

If I were in your position- mixing the best of everything London has to offer - general rule of thumb, 'West is Best'...

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On the south coast the premier dinghy club (apart from Weymouth which is far from London) in my opinion is Hayling Island Sailing Club, near Chichester. An hour to the nearest point on London's ring road, and within spitting distance of Southampton, Portsmouth, which serve for more dinghy sailing but also keelboat stuff. Well worth investigating

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Weirwood reservoir kicks Ass. You can commute from Crawley in half an hour to Victoria station and go sailing in the evening. In the weekend you can go to the South Coast (eg Brighton) in less than an our.

The reservoir is rather small but there is good racing there. I've never been there in summer but autumn and winter wind was Ok.

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D one looks so ugly though, those racks look like a last minute creation to me. The RS100 looks far better.

D_one looks good on the water and racks make it much wider than the RS100 so stands up to its sail. Ive sailed both and Its much better than the 100 upwind in waves, with very similar performance off the wind.

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Hey guys, my family wants to spend the summer in England, within easy commute to London. Where would be the best place in southern England to go dinghy sailing in the summer?

If you give a bit more info about the type of sailing you want, where in london you need to get to, and the type of place you want to live you can probably get some helpful info here.

 

Sea sailing, pond sailing, river sailing, type of boat, type of sailing. You can do pretty much anything.

 

Your questions is a bit broad.

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West London has a couple of big reservoir clubs

 

Atmosphere's a bit miserable for summer sailing, IMHO. May be worth it if you can make weeknight racing, but otherwise I would be looking at south coast clubs for weekend only racing. When I kept a 505 at QM, I really regretted not taking it down to HI or somewhere for the summer.

 

^ Oh, and what EB said about more guidance. Bit of a difference between HISC and Croydon Sailing Club.

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Summer in the UK is sometimes a week long, sometimes less! I was a member at Hayling Island and sailed Fireballs and Ospreys there and sailed my Laser at Stokes Bay, Wednesday evening races had, amongst others, Steve Cockerill, Ben Ainslie and Hugh Styles sailing, those were the days!

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My wife wants to do Jane Austen -type things in and around London. I would prefer to sail an Int. Moth 2-5 times a week but would be happy sailing most small high performance dinghies.

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Decent fleet of Moths at Hayling, Stokes bay, and also at Queen Mary Reservoir, not far from Heathrow.

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My wife wants to do Jane Austen -type things in and around London. I would prefer to sail an Int. Moth 2-5 times a week but would be happy sailing most small high performance dinghies.

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.......she wants to do -WHAT-in an Austin???? :blink:

...or something with Austin Powers???? :o .....

 

 

 

.............either way,,it sounds like you're in for some trouble! <_<

..ANYTHIG 'austin' in London can be dangerous,,,if you value your marriage,I'd put that sailing thingy to th'side ,,,,,

 

 

...you can thank me now! ;)

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Summer in the UK is sometimes a week long, sometimes less! I was a member at Hayling Island and sailed Fireballs and Ospreys there and sailed my Laser at Stokes Bay, Wednesday evening races had, amongst others, Steve Cockerill, Ben Ainslie and Hugh Styles sailing, those were the days!

And Iain Percy.

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How could I forget Iain, we had a good dice at the Nationals at Hayling in 94 I think it was, I was staying with Steve Cockerill at the time. Good times. Daniel, I would love to try out the D zeronext time I am in the UK in the summer.

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Yeah it was quite a unique place and time, SBSC from 1995ish to 2000 ish. I joined a bit late in '98 but still sailed with some legends.

Moth fleet is pretty hot there now, and Mustos were for a while maybe still are.

Any time you are in the UK look me up and will make sure you are sorted out!

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maybe the wrong forum but if you're only going to be there for the summer it's really easy to get on a big boat in the Southampton area or anywhere on the coast for that matter. It can be easier to get on a yacht than a dinghy.

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How easy is it to sail with a club for a month or two? Is it relatively straightforward (eg., pay fee, go sailing) or more involved (character references, capital contribution, schmoozing, ...)?

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How easy is it to sail with a club for a month or two? Is it relatively straightforward (eg., pay fee, go sailing) or more involved (character references, capital contribution, schmoozing, ...)?

For dinghy clubs, pay fee, go sailing. You may have trouble getting boat parking in the short term - that's a demand/supply issue.

 

Yacht clubs with "Royal" in the name may be a different story.

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How easy is it to sail with a club for a month or two? Is it relatively straightforward (eg., pay fee, go sailing) or more involved (character references, capital contribution, schmoozing, ...)?

For dinghy clubs, pay fee, go sailing. You may have trouble getting boat parking in the short term - that's a demand/supply issue.

 

Yup. You will probably see application forms which require the names of two members or something to approve your application. I expect there's some arcane reason for this but in practice just walk thro the club door waving a form and a cheque and ask the first two passersby to sign it. I imagine where clubs have on line applications the secretary fills in a couple of names.

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My wife wants to do Jane Austen -type things in and around London. I would prefer to sail an Int. Moth 2-5 times a week but would be happy sailing most small high performance dinghies.

 

Where are you going to be working, or is that not an issue?

 

As mentioned Queen Mary is a decent sized pond just outside London and has Moths. I think they do mid week racing one evening a week. Not a very nice place for the family to hang around if they're not sailing.

 

I'm not so good at the south coast moth thing. As mentioned Hayling is a fantastic facility near some excellent water, and the beach is sand for the kids if that's an issue. I think there are some moths at Weymouth as well, also a very nice spot. Easier to get to Hayling from London.

 

Most clubs you join for the year. QM does pay to sail, not sure about the others. Most places are happy to have more people sailing.

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My wife wants to do Jane Austen -type things in and around London.

Not really around London. Jane Austen lived most of her life in Chawton which is in rural Hampshire http://www.jane-austens-house-museum.org.uk/ and http://www.hha.org.uk/Property/1286/Chawton-House and also spent time in Bath. All worth visiting if you/she like that like of thing.

 

The reservoirs SW of London (Queen Mary, Datchet) are godforsaken spots IMO and the journey to Chichester Harbour to sail is worth the effort. Hayling Island SC is the largest club, there are others slighter closer but tidal. HISC is certainly best for Moths, it's a big scene there.

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a couple more photos for anyone interested:

 

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Good to hear all the goss about metro sailing but...

 

Interesting that the new 4(.2) m. Boats have much bigger sailplans than the torched laser, is that because modern rigs are easier to depower by 20%?

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....de-power?....incredibly so!!...not only are today's boats significantly lighter,,potentially more durable,,but modern materials and tech add a lot of power and control-ability to a rig..........it IS a brave new world!

 

 

...agree with your 1st point,,,take it to 'living in limeyland' anarchy <_<:rolleyes:

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is that because modern rigs are easier to depower by 20%?

Nah. It's because people are 20% fatter.

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hey that 'clubs of the UK' really deserves its OWN thread, and a map

 

where were we ?

A couple videos of the D Zero prototype sailing in the Czech republic and Valencia, Spain.

 

 

 

The D Zero reflects 5 years of development on the the "Punk" prototype created to fulfill the brief of "The performance beachboat for the 21st century"

 

Recreational versatility and robustness matched to sparkling performance, style and ergonomics.

 

Built by the passionate and skilled boat builders responsible for every medal winning Finn since 1996 as well as the spectacular D One and Melges 24

 

Sail by North Sails One Design - masters of the modern unstayed rig and winners of every Olympic Finn gold medal (and quite a few others) since 2000

 

Spars by Compotech (as D One)

 

Full harken fitout

 

4.2m x 1.42m x 0.38m

 

8.1m2 semi soft laminate sail on halyard - rake adjustable by chocks - competitive sailor weight between 70 and 90 kgs

 

Hull weight 40kgs. Light by any standard, but robust. I wouldn't recommend anyone lift it (or anything else above 25kg for that matter) unless in a gym for which they have been inducted by a fitness professional.

 

Tasty introductory deal soon to close.

 

Global distribution / dealership network, get in touch to arrange a demo sail.

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I think it's fair to assume that the MX Next is supposed to sit in a category above either these two boats. There's another category I'd stick it in too, 'vapourware'... But even rental prices in London is more relevant as it will at least lead to someone on here sailing.

 

UK summer in a moth, okay... Forget inland and look for sea breeze at Hayling.

 

As for the D-Zero the demo boats will be arriving in the UK for punters to see if they want their deposit back or not within the next couple of months - I plan to Go Pro my demo, as long as you're not too mean about my technique and photography skills, then I'll post it here ;-)

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Here are some snaps of the D-Zero. FWIW, I had a good rake around both the Devoti and the RS. Both look good, with interesting detailing and seem well built. The RS seems scary light, although I was assured that they have put material in all the right places. The chap I spoke to did concede that you couldn't treat it quite like a Laser, which is only to be expected with thin skin foam sandwich. Apparently you can carry the boat to the sea - not sure I'd try it though as one gust and you will probably need a chiropractor (it's not the weight, but the windage of carrying a fully-rigged boat which could do this). The stacking feature is nice.

 

The D-Zero looks a lot more contemporary, and I suspect it will be the faster boat (it has around 40-50cm more LWL) in many conditions, although in some planing conditions and angles the RS might be a bit quicker. It's also only 12kg heavier, but should be a little less 'worrisome' on the beach. Plus you get the Devoti build quality.

 

Looking forwards to trying both!

 

BTW there's a gallery here of a lot of the Dinghy Show for anyone interested, plus there are two pictorial show reports on my site (probably not best form to post links here though)

 

The last 2 pics here are of my favourite boat from the show, the Jo Richards 'Deadline' Merlin Rocket design called Superfast Jellyfish.

 

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.617496168320490.1073741835.157425264327585&type=3

 

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Merlin-Rockets aren't lapstrake any more?

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And what's with the square mainsheet hoop? That could cause some big owwies... I can see myself doing a face plant right into that sharp corner on a tack. Other than that, a very cool boat.

 

FB- Doug

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Gooseneck mast looking rather finnish

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...nttawwt

...might as well use what works,,and eliminate a piece of $ hardware at the same time

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Still lapstrake - traveller on hoop works well. This boat has ply planks with foam sandwich internals and decks. Centre of buoyancy has moved aft a bit. Check out the fb link in the last post for lots of cockpit pics and some of the other 3 Merlins on display. Tweakers heaven!

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Nothing wrong, its a positive in my book, much stronger than the laser version, if a round tube then less benefits though how it is laid up matters

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My wife wants to do Jane Austen -type things in and around London. I would prefer to sail an Int. Moth 2-5 times a week but would be happy sailing most small high performance dinghies.

If you're wanting speedy access to London then Kent County is the best spot, it's in the South East, beset on three corners by 'Ocean' has lots of sailing clubs, the Whitstable mob have recently taken to baling out of their MPS's into those logs on stilts, the North Coast is flatter and more accessible than the south coast, but there are clubs like mine at Hythe that offer a smaller probably friendlier environment than some of the bigger up their own asses clubs like Hayling (Which isn't in Kent and further time wise from London)& Bewl Valley.

For your wife we have something called High Speed Rail, she can breakfast in Harvey Nicks, lunch in Paris, come home, pick up the kids from school and have dinner waiting for you, you can work in the City, be back home 37 minutes after you get on the Train, go sailing after work and still be back before the dinner your grateful wife has cooked has even come close to entering the dog.

 

Which is why Kent is God's county and we don't even mind Americans, in fact one has just moved into our village is opening a restaurant and has just employed one of my daughters, hence me making this kind one time offer. ;)

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Somewhere with hills and rain,

Boat looks tidy, low freeboard like a laser/torch, lots of twist, head opening up nicely, probably dont want to drag the wings around too much.

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It does show how miserable sailing in England can be :)

 

I see that it's actually filmed in Brno, Czech Republic according to the info on the YouTube page.

 

Looks like sailing there can be as miserable as sailing in the UK...

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Apologies for the quality of this, but it's not a professional marketing video, just a few clips of Dan in the Punk at an event I went to in 2010- the focus of the filming wasn't his boat, though it looked great and got plenty of attention, and this is re-cut from an already rendered movie, so a little amateurish.

 

It does however give a little glimpse of why the Punk captured our imaginations that October, and why a few of us there have jumped at the chance to order a production version in the D-Zero... Anyway it's here for you guys to see, but please don't flame Devoti or Dan for the quality of this vid- I'm sure proper marketing ones will follow in due course.

 

BTW - Rodney (Suntouched sailboats - seen here in his Devoti Finn) is working on a US proposal, so all good things come to those who wait... Or some such shit.

 

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James, No need to apologise for the video. Although we reckon that the D-Zero is a well produced and high quality boat, probably as you might expect from Devoti, the associated videos are dreadful. That's because all of the video to date has been purely for our own interest in testing the Punk and then the prototype D-Zero. We published these on the basis that something is better than nothing but, for sure, the quality does not do the D-Zero justice. The good news is that we get our first three demo boats tomorrow and will be able to get better video up and running in the near future.

 

Something that was not mentioned in James' post above is that the event that he refers to (when he took the video) was the pivotal point for the Punk as it led to me introducing Dan and his boat to Devoti and from that the D-Zero was born. Happy days :)

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...and when will there be a 'gybe-to-death' battle with a laser ,,a D'uohh,,,and an AARR,essss?? :)

 

 

.........very curious minds get curiousier :rolleyes:;)

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That'd be great, although in the interests of fair play the Laser ought to carry that Rooster 8.1 rig- it really transforms the boat for the positive, well as much as painting lipstick on a pig can anyway...

 

As for the RS, yeah cool stuff, hopefully they can race together at sometime in the not too distant future. I wouldn't read too much into the result though.. Other than that The better sailor won on the water.

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That's not my heartwarming story to tell Rodney... anyway, when can we come out to play?

First test day starts at Queen Mary SC on 19th April and delivery of new D-Zeros will start to roll out in June :rolleyes:

 

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any reports from europe / devotti ( clean is a published fanboy of devotti course)

 

pics

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Here you go GS... not much, but a few nicked off of Facebook.

 

Some demo days coming up in the UK soon which will hopefully get some more on the water photos. I hope to Go Pro my sail in one, assuming I don't look more shit than normal I'll upload and share here.

 

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Not sure who devotti is but it's hard not to admire Luca Devoti when you learn all the stuff he's done. Plus he is pretty damned funny and speaks 5 languages.

 

any reports from europe / devotti ( clean is a published fanboy of devotti course)

 

pics

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Here you go GS... not much, but a few nicked off of Facebook.

 

Some demo days coming up in the UK soon which will hopefully get some more on the water photos. I hope to Go Pro my sail in one, assuming I don't look more shit than normal I'll upload and share here.

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..mann that hull-shape's begging for a trapeze-rig!

 

...jw--go with a headcam,,,as long as you don't glance all over the place too much,,it can be good viewpoint alongside an off-boat camera----a nice combination of perspective

 

 

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in fact not

 

I read that it's protos were developed over quite a period and this is how a 'monosail hiker' appears, a modern version

 

as discussed in a previous thread this config is what the mass market demands, and aside from that the trap/spi offerings are numerous, virtually from every builder and not selling.

 

as in that other thread all these 'turbo it' calls are really just like those kiddies suggesting Finn rigs or foils on their Optimist

 

grow up, we've heard it all before

put a 49er rig on your boat, or a trapeze, show it in your hoot thread ....

put up or su

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