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Vela, you guys been getting any interest from the Florida boys and girls yet? Wifey likes the boat, and I dig it too but other than Lasers out here (SE Florida.......Melbourne, Stuart, West Palm Beach) there's no other fleets.

The dealer on the west coast has some and sold a few. Are you sailing further south now?

 

Yes, the word is out and there are lots of interest.

 

The Gulf guys are coming to play in Texas and things are going well. 3 boats in Dallas plus a nice fleet in Houston

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all the RS dealers (for North America at least) met this weekend at Annap boat show.

 

Close to 120 boats sold into the country in the first year.

Talk of East Coast / West Coast and now even a Southern Aero Championships for 2016 season.

 

I've got 10 more on the water, and there are a bunch of dealers who have placed large Aero orders already for spring 2016.

Think Texas is going to be a hotbed for Aero activity here very soon.

 

Really exciting

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Any talk on how the different sail sizes will be separated? Finn sized guys like myself will be using the 9m rig obviously, but will there be a separation of the different rigs?

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Any talk on how the different sail sizes will be separated? Finn sized guys like myself will be using the 9m rig obviously, but will there be a separation of the different rigs?

 

In the UK at least the boat is being treated by most clubs as 3 different classes with a different PY for each sail.

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I figured that was the case.

 

I've always liked RS boats. I was looking at an RS100 at WestCoast's shop years ago, then life took me a different direction. Now in a position to possibly get back into dinghies again so it's pretty cool to see the Aero get some traction here in the states.

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Any talk on how the different sail sizes will be separated? Finn sized guys like myself will be using the 9m rig obviously, but will there be a separation of the different rigs?

 

At the first RS Aero North Americans this year we sailed all the rigs together as one fleet with no handicap adjustments, and allowed people to switch rigs during the event too if they wished.

 

But the RS Aero class rules do call for the different rigs to be scored separately, or using PY handicaps if different rigs are competing with each other. The class rules also have some restrictions on rig switching during a handicap regatta.

 

It looks as if in some major UK regattas there has been a "best of both worlds" approach with most of the races having the three rigs with their own starts, but with the first race each day being a mass start for all three rigs that, as well as separate fleet scoring, was also scored on handicap (partly so they could award overall first master, first female, first junior awards too.) I think I have that right. No doubt one of the UK guys will correct me if I don't!

 

I guess the real answer to your question will be that how we run the major North American regattas next year will be something the North American RS Aero Class will have to decide - once we get around to forming it, and based on feedback from sailors of what system they would prefer.

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all the RS dealers (for North America at least) met this weekend at Annap boat show.

 

Close to 120 boats sold into the country in the first year.

Talk of East Coast / West Coast and now even a Southern Aero Championships for 2016 season.

 

I've got 10 more on the water, and there are a bunch of dealers who have placed large Aero orders already for spring 2016.

Think Texas is going to be a hotbed for Aero activity here very soon.

 

Really exciting

Yes. People getting very excited in this side of the world.

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Jerryd - We will get you out in an Aero Soon

last weekend was phrf racing, this weekend delivering boats to Miami

next weekend the Flying Scot wife / Husband regatta

 

Hey Paul - any chance of an RS Aero regatta in Florida this winter - with some charter boats available?

We're working on some details. We should have charter boats available....unless they are all sold come regatta time

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Jerryd - We will get you out in an Aero Soon

last weekend was phrf racing, this weekend delivering boats to Miami

next weekend the Flying Scot wife / Husband regatta

Thanks for keeping me on your list Paul! I should have just come over and bought one for the Small Boat Regatta this weekend. Although I'm still considering the RS100.

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Hey Paul - any chance of an RS Aero regatta in Florida this winter - with some charter boats available?

We're working on some details. We should have charter boats available....unless they are all sold come regatta time

 

 

Excellent. I think an RS Aero regatta in Florida this winter could be very popular and a great boost for the class.

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all the RS dealers (for North America at least) met this weekend at Annap boat show.

 

Close to 120 boats sold into the country in the first year.

Talk of East Coast / West Coast and now even a Southern Aero Championships for 2016 season.

 

I've got 10 more on the water, and there are a bunch of dealers who have placed large Aero orders already for spring 2016.

Think Texas is going to be a hotbed for Aero activity here very soon.

 

Really exciting

Yes. People getting very excited in this side of the world.

 

 

There are already three Aero 7s registered for LCYC's Wurstfest Regatta next month. And what I think might be an Aero 9, but is registered as an Aero 900 (how the hell will an old Saab float?).

 

Hope more come and play. Early registration ends Nov 1.

 

http://www.wurstfestregatta.com/index.php/wurstfest-regatta-i/

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all the RS dealers (for North America at least) met this weekend at Annap boat show.

 

Close to 120 boats sold into the country in the first year.

Talk of East Coast / West Coast and now even a Southern Aero Championships for 2016 season.

 

I've got 10 more on the water, and there are a bunch of dealers who have placed large Aero orders already for spring 2016.

Think Texas is going to be a hotbed for Aero activity here very soon.

 

Really exciting

Yes. People getting very excited in this side of the world.

 

 

There are already three Aero 7s registered for LCYC's Wurstfest Regatta next month. And what I think might be an Aero 9, but is registered as an Aero 900 (how the hell will an old Saab float?).

 

Hope more come and play. Early registration ends Nov 1.

 

http://www.wurstfestregatta.com/index.php/wurstfest-regatta-i/

 

 

And there are three RS Aeros registered for the Goblin regatta in Santa Barbara next weekend.

 

http://www.sailsbsc.org/events-1/goblin

 

It's good to see RS Aeros being raced in these two regattas. Along with the two RS Aero regattas in New England this year, the RS Aero NAs in Oregon, and RS Aeros racing in at least two regattas in Seattle (in May and September.)

 

Signs of a even more extensive racing circuit in 2016, I hope.

 

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We have a customer in Montana who bought a boat, sailed Nationals here, and then drove it down to Florida for the winter, so, there is another Aero somewhere down there as well.

 

10 more new boats arriving here on west coast shortly.

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Any talk on how the different sail sizes will be separated? Finn sized guys like myself will be using the 9m rig obviously, but will there be a separation of the different rigs?

 

At the first RS Aero North Americans this year we sailed all the rigs together as one fleet with no handicap adjustments, and allowed people to switch rigs during the event too if they wished.

 

But the RS Aero class rules do call for the different rigs to be scored separately, or using PY handicaps if different rigs are competing with each other. The class rules also have some restrictions on rig switching during a handicap regatta.

 

It looks as if in some major UK regattas there has been a "best of both worlds" approach with most of the races having the three rigs with their own starts, but with the first race each day being a mass start for all three rigs that, as well as separate fleet scoring, was also scored on handicap (partly so they could award overall first master, first female, first junior awards too.) I think I have that right. No doubt one of the UK guys will correct me if I don't!

 

I guess the real answer to your question will be that how we run the major North American regattas next year will be something the North American RS Aero Class will have to decide - once we get around to forming it, and based on feedback from sailors of what system they would prefer.

 

As a prospective owner who will probably place an order for a boat after the holiday season, I would vote for sticking with how scoring at the NA's went this year. Let everyone switch and choose rigs as they want. There can be sub-fleet championships for folks who want to stick with a single rig for the entire regatta.

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Is there an emailed monthly newsletter for North America yet? Can't seem to find the link to one.

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Is there an emailed monthly newsletter for North America yet? Can't seem to find the link to one.

 

There is no North American monthly RS Aero email newsletter.

 

But there is an RS Aero Class North America Facebook group where most NA RS Aero news gets posted.

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rsaeroclassnorthamerica/

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11 more Aeros showed up this afternoon. +3 to Seattle fleet, +2 to Bay Area, couple others sprinkled around.

 

 

60+ now on West Coast.

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....gotta love how those boats fit together for shipping

 

. ...are fittings installed already or does that effect the space a bit?

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....gotta love how those boats fit together for shipping

 

. ...are fittings installed already or does that effect the space a bit?

 

Cleats and such are all installed. That white cover has "shoulder pads" to cover the fittings and other "touch points." Only major fitting I had to install was the thing that the main-sheet goes through (it *clicks* when you pull, and is silent when you release - forgot what it's called).

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Named after the nurse in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"

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11 more Aeros showed up this afternoon. +3 to Seattle fleet, +2 to Bay Area, couple others sprinkled around.

 

 

60+ now on West Coast.

That's great WC. Nice to see a growing class.

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all the RS dealers (for North America at least) met this weekend at Annap boat show.

 

Close to 120 boats sold into the country in the first year.

Talk of East Coast / West Coast and now even a Southern Aero Championships for 2016 season.

 

I've got 10 more on the water, and there are a bunch of dealers who have placed large Aero orders already for spring 2016.

Think Texas is going to be a hotbed for Aero activity here very soon.

 

Really exciting

Yes. People getting very excited in this side of the world.

 

 

There are already three Aero 7s registered for LCYC's Wurstfest Regatta next month. And what I think might be an Aero 9, but is registered as an Aero 900 (how the hell will an old Saab float?).

 

Hope more come and play. Early registration ends Nov 1.

 

http://www.wurstfestregatta.com/index.php/wurstfest-regatta-i/

 

 

Rod, I'm guessing you know who all the registered Texas Aero sailors are for this event or know how to contact them. If all three 7s so far show up, you'll fleet out per the NOR. In any event, we still want DPNs.

 

I'm proposing a provisional Aero 7 DPN based on the latest RYA PY times the Laser's DPN/PY ratio. 1065*(91.1/1091) = 88.93. I pulled the Aero7 RYA number from rsaerosailing.org.

 

Same procedure as the Aero 9. Multiplying the 2015 Aero9 RYA PY times the ratio of the Laser's D-PN/RYA PY; 1030*(91.1/1091) = 86.0.

 

Are you and the other sailors okay with these numbers? LCYC would rather it be determined by the sailors in advance than by RC the day of the race.

 

And just as important, do you guys want to start at the same time as the Portsmouth fleet? Fewer starts mean more races. You'll be sharing that course with the Daysailors and Wetas. I'm pretty sure the Wetas are going to start with the Portsmouth fleet. Hope the Daysailors choose the same. Big starts!

 

Also going to be discussing this in the Texas Centerboard Circuit thread, so feel free to jump in over there, too.

 

Thanks.

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RedTuna Lots of good discussion mid-September on this topic - I won't repeat it here, but... may be useful.

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Yup, thanks. Played in the thread back then and read your D-1 writeup. Never got a LWL, so cannot calculate. Just trying to make sure the Aero racers are happy with this event.

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Unless you find something better on the Aero NA forum in the next day or so, 88.9 works for us. Thanks.

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I've been sailing Lasers pretty constantly since they came out (shows my age!). I've always thought that the Laser was a "great boat", and I still think so. With the new fittings package, it's a real pleasure to sail.



When I heard about the Aero, I was excited, and put in an order right away. Now I've been sailing the Aero 9 for a whole season, and I love it.



So I have both a Laser and an Aero 9, and they are kept in two separate locations (countries, actually). I sail the Aero 9 half the year, in France, and then the Laser the other half of the year, in Baja, Mexico.



I really enjoy sailing both of them. And I still say the Laser is a "great boat"!



Sure, they are quite different. But sailing the Aero has not diminished the pleasure I get from my Laser.



The Laser is robust, and low tech. Like a pair of wooden cross country skis. It's all about simplicity, and technique. After sailing it for so many years (I'm on my 5th Laser), it's like an extension of my body.



The Aero is much more sophisticated. Modern looking, much lighter, better more tune-able sail, nicer rig and fittings etc. A real blast to sail.



But having both is like having the best of both worlds. A pair of book ends, bracketing single handed sailing.



Not sure I'd want to sail my Aero right up onto the beach, the way I do with my Laser!



My 2 cents.

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RS Aero on display at Fisheries Supply in Seattle -- A fully rigged RS Aero 7 is currently on display inside Fisheries Supply in the Wallingford neighborhood of Seattle at 1900 N Northlake Way. Come by and check it out if you're in the area.

 

20+ Aeros now in Seattle with more already on order.

 

DougS 1249

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RS Aero gains World Sailing Class Status
18 months after its initial launch, the RS Aero Class has qualified for ‘World Sailing (ISAF) Class Status’ following the World Sailing November conference held in China.
The announcement comes after a year that has seen RS Aeros sailed in 41 nations, the 793rd boat leave RS Sailing HQ for delivery, National championships held in the UK & North America and the introduction of the RS Aero International racing circuit. The first ever RS Aerocup that took place only last month was hotly attended by 9 nations for a sunny long weekend in Barcelona. With separate starts for the 5, 7 and 9 rigs, the event saw a different nation topping the leader board in each fleet; Estonia, Norway and Great Britain respectively.

 

http://www.rssailing.com/us/news/rs-aero-gains-world-sailing-class-status

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The first Australian Aero Championships at Royal Brighton Yacht Club Melbourne on 6th and 7th February 2016. Notice of race and online entry now posted

 

http://www.rbyc.org.au/rs100-rs200-and-rs-aero-australian-championships If you are visiting Melbourne at that time, and an Aero Owner from outside Australia, we will provide you with a boat for the event at no charge just contact Sailing Raceboats as soon as possible

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Great to hear Australia is having it's first championships -- how many Aeros do you think you'll have racing?

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Time tells all, if the sailor stays sailing....all of this is generational-population-driven. Lots of rigs better than Laser, they hit it at right time...so? Each age group moves on, even as population rises...and young kids with the urge to sail will be buying low-cost older rigs...as their elders move along the spectrum, ya think?

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If you live in or visit south Florida & you want to save thousands on a practically new Aero please e-mail me at MAXJ9@HOTMAIL.COM so we can meet & deal.

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^^^ After ~12 months, are finally seeing a few used boats trickle on to the market.

 

A good supply of used boats is key to expanding fleets. We've offered some customers trade ins on 1 year old Aeros to new boats just to be able to have used boats to offer new fleet members.

Supply will be tight for the next 2-3 years on used, but that will lower barriers for people to get into Aeros as time goes on.

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If you live in or visit south Florida & you want to save thousands on a practically new Aero please e-mail me at MAXJ9@HOTMAIL.COM so we can meet & deal.

 

Hoi,

Can you stop being a tight-arse and buy an ad?

It ain't hard to do this. First step it to click here

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Are you nibbling at the bait, Lindy? Doesn't even say what version it is.

 

I wonder when the Aero is going to get official D-PNs.

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Are you nibbling at the bait, Lindy? Doesn't even say what version it is.

 

I wonder when the Aero is going to get official D-PNs.

 

MAXJOE has also posted his RS Aero on the RS Aero Class Forum. There are a lot more details there about the rigs, condition of the boat, and what extras are included. Looks like a good deal for someone.

 

http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=forum&fid=9&tid=7260

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The first Aero National championships since becoming an International class are being held at Royal Brighton Yacht Club Melbourne this week end.

 

Some very high calibre sailors, but more importantly, beginners and good club level sailors will be taking part. The international line up includes Australians, and sailors from New Zealand and the UK. There will be good proportion of juniors, and ladies racing with the guys all in one fleet, in a mix of Aero 5's and 7's.

 

The emphasis of the event will be two days of quality racing, mixed with boat set up instruction and coaching for the less experienced. A Barbeque on the Saturday evening will be shared with our friends, the Open BIc Sailors and their parents who are sailing their State Championships at the same time.

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Stumbled across news that Ash Beatty has announced an RS Aero Texas Circuit in 2016.

 

 

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Ash Beatty

I hear that RS Aero sailing is really taking off in Texas. Ash Beatty recently announced the 2016 RS Aero Texas Circuit. Let's hope we see similar RS Aero circuits getting organized in other regions of the USA in the coming months.

April 30 - May 1 Rush Creek YC Spring Dinghyfest
June 18-19 Seabrook Sailing Club Summer Solstice
September 17-18 Houston Yacht Club HOOD Regatta
October 15 - 16 Rush Creek YC Fall Dinghyfest
November 4- 6 Wurstfest

 

 

Hat tip to http://propercourse.blogspot.com/

 

And this as well. Missed the puff rolling in. Brrr...

 

 

 

 

 

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Stumbled across news that Ash Beatty has announced an RS Aero Texas Circuit in 2016.

 

 

 

 

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Ash Beatty

I hear that RS Aero sailing is really taking off in Texas. Ash Beatty recently announced the 2016 RS Aero Texas Circuit. Let's hope we see similar RS Aero circuits getting organized in other regions of the USA in the coming months.

April 30 - May 1 Rush Creek YC Spring Dinghyfest

June 18-19 Seabrook Sailing Club Summer Solstice

September 17-18 Houston Yacht Club HOOD Regatta

October 15 - 16 Rush Creek YC Fall Dinghyfest

November 4- 6 Wurstfest

Hat tip to http://propercourse.blogspot.com/

 

And this as well. Missed the puff rolling in. Brrr...

 

Ok - I get there was some inexperience involved. But I have never seen a boat Monica Lewinsky like that in completely flat water. Was that a 30 knot puff?

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Stumbled across news that Ash Beatty has announced an RS Aero Texas Circuit in 2016.

 

 

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Ash Beatty

I hear that RS Aero sailing is really taking off in Texas. Ash Beatty recently announced the 2016 RS Aero Texas Circuit. Let's hope we see similar RS Aero circuits getting organized in other regions of the USA in the coming months.

 

April 30 - May 1 Rush Creek YC Spring Dinghyfest

June 18-19 Seabrook Sailing Club Summer Solstice

September 17-18 Houston Yacht Club HOOD Regatta

October 15 - 16 Rush Creek YC Fall Dinghyfest

November 4- 6 Wurstfest

 

 

Hat tip to http://propercourse.blogspot.com/

 

And this as well. Missed the puff rolling in. Brrr...

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was at the Tiger Trophy it was seriously windy. Day 1 got canned and day 2 was not much better but they got 3 races in.

 

I would suspect the Aero needs a similar setup to the D-Zero/RS300 as it too has a flexible carbon mast so keeping kicker on to prevent the mast tip going forwards should help. That and getting weight back and keeping hold of the mainsheet would be useful!

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That was at the Tiger Trophy it was seriously windy. Day 1 got canned and day 2 was not much better but they got 3 races in.

 

I would suspect the Aero needs a similar setup to the D-Zero/RS300 as it too has a flexible carbon mast so keeping kicker on to prevent the mast tip going forwards should help. That and getting weight back and keeping hold of the mainsheet would be useful!

 

 

Knowing how to sail competently would surely help too! :blink:

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And this as well. Missed the puff rolling in. Brrr...

 

 

2 minuets? Very delicate. Didn't realise Rooster made dancing shoes.

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Fish, we ain't all young enough to be experts...if you catch my drift. Stuff happens. As a matter of fact, I have had zero success in getting by Kite Dinghy to bury itself like that, even by scooting all the way to the vang under a 100 square main, running in a breeze. Just won't do it. No minuet for this dodger.

 

Back on topic. I love that boat, but I know it won't love me back. Heck the Kite as dancing partner balks we get to fast music...+1 Ed, I like the way you think.

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It was good of Martin to share that learning experience - The Flat-Water Nosedive.

This can catch the unwary out when travelling slowly in very gusty conditions, when the of the rig wants to accelerate faster than the hull is able to keep up. You can be at risk when you are travelling slowly in a lull when the front edge of a big gust hits you unexpectedly from behind - hence it can take you by surprise! This is not likely to happen in flat water after you have accelerated.

Remedies are to keep an eye out behind you and move backwards in good time. Luffing a little will give less nose down force, the boat well accelerate rather than suffering a stalled pressure build on the main. Luffing then also enables you to move to windward of the centerline and thus back behind the front of the rudder. Also - keep your front hand ready on that mainsheet, poised to give it a big pull if you get a wobble to windward!

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RS AERO DEMOS - SAN FRANCISCO

Test sail opportunities are arranged and bookings invited at GGYC and SYC next weekend.

If you are in the Bay Area, book yourself a sail and see what the RS Aero is all about first hand!

 

Golden Gate YC, Friday February 19th, 2pm to 5:30pm (book with Chris Childers at onelegchris@gmail.com)

and

Sequoia YC (Redwood City), Sat & Sun February 20th and 21st, 1pm to 5pm (book with Phillip Meredith at pcmeredith@me.com)

 

Flyer: http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=forum&fid=7&tid=7272

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Peter, I dig, but on rare occasion I forget to move me rheumy eyes from the crew...whilst swilling.

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Aero demos happening today and throughout the weekend in the Bay Area.

 

Friday @ Golden Gate Yacht Club

Saturday/Sunday @ Sequoia Yacht Club

 

 

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And this as well. Missed the puff rolling in. Brrr...

2 minuets? Very delicate. Didn't realise Rooster made dancing shoes.

Who goes downwind on any boat without having the main sheet in your hand? This guy is an accident waiting to happen.

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I didn't notice that when I first watched the video. To be fair, though, the mainsheet that comes w/ the Aero is absurdly short. And if you tie the end of the mainsheet to the back end of the hiking strap (as both I and the guy in the video do), then you're left with an exceptionally short mainsheet. I recall having problems when I let the mainsheet out fully - I basically ran out of mainsheet when letting the boom out to a right angle with the hull.

 

I've since corrected this issue by replacing my mainsheet with a longer (and thicker) mainsheet. But if you're using the factory supplied mainsheet, I can understand why you might get stuck sailing downwind w/ no mainsheet in hand.

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In my personal opinion, the mainsheet should be long enough so that you can fully let it out when sailing downwind. That way, when coming to shore downwind you can let it out completely and just gently drift to shore. Otherwise, you've got to come in hauling ass and do a 180 back upwind at the last second.

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I didn't notice that when I first watched the video. To be fair, though, the mainsheet that comes w/ the Aero is absurdly short. And if you tie the end of the mainsheet to the back end of the hiking strap (as both I and the guy in the video do), then you're left with an exceptionally short mainsheet. I recall having problems when I let the mainsheet out fully - I basically ran out of mainsheet when letting the boom out to a right angle with the hull.

 

I've since corrected this issue by replacing my mainsheet with a longer (and thicker) mainsheet. But if you're using the factory supplied mainsheet, I can understand why you might get stuck sailing downwind w/ no mainsheet in hand.

Obviously cost cutting taken to the extreme! You see the gust coming and the helm bears off slightly to counter the leech twisting open, he does not move aft at all, so he has increased the power in the top of the rig without taking any other steps to keep the bow up, even if the boat hadn't pitchpoled, he would have lost almost all steerage with the bow submerged.

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If you look carefully, you can see that the sailor reaches down instinctively at 0:52 to grab a bit of mainsheet, and then realizes - "Oh right, there's no mainsheet left to grab."

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no matter what you do - there's always a bunch of armchairs to tell you you're not doing it right.

 

Looks to me like he was just toodling to the start - who hasn't gotten lazy in those situations and been caught out?

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no matter what you do - there's always a bunch of armchairs to tell you you're not doing it right.

 

Looks to me like he was just toodling to the start - who hasn't gotten lazy in those situations and been caught out?

 

FWIW, my post was meant to defend the sailor. You can't be faulted for not holding the mainsheet if there's no mainsheet to hold.

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no matter what you do - there's always a bunch of armchairs to tell you you're not doing it right.

 

Looks to me like he was just toodling to the start - who hasn't gotten lazy in those situations and been caught out?

 

FWIW, my post was meant to defend the sailor. You can't be faulted for not holding the mainsheet if there's no mainsheet to hold.

 

my post was directed at people like Mr Tom.

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No be beating on Major Tom, he is observant, has helped this swab many a time. I need lottsa help.

 

Re the vid, Even though he says he ran out of sheet, it appears the sheet is under his foot and might not be needed, but I would still have it in hand, if for no other reason than to stay attached to the boat. As I noted above, I have never been able to do that in the Kite. It powers through the water and keeps a-goin...but then it has much more freeboard.

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no matter what you do - there's always a bunch of armchairs to tell you you're not doing it right.

 

Looks to me like he was just toodling to the start - who hasn't gotten lazy in those situations and been caught out?

 

FWIW, my post was meant to defend the sailor. You can't be faulted for not holding the mainsheet if there's no mainsheet to hold.

my post was directed at people like Mr Tom.
What is so wrong with pointing out the obvious human error? The boat was being knocked because it pitchpoled, any half decent sailor would never allow themselves to get into that position in the first place, a Laser would have weather rolled instead of nosediving with the same end result. Why blame the Aero's apparent hull stability, rig and leach control for causing a nosedive?

And, for what is is worth, I would rate myself as being a fair bit better than, in your words, an 'armchair'😛

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you may be the laser world champ for all I know, the point is the guy was clearly just tooling around; in your words "Who goes downwind on any boat without having the main sheet in your hand? This guy is an accident waiting to happen. " doesn't sound particularly constructive.

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Sometimes the jetties are not angled right!

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It was good of Martin to share that learning experience - The Flat-Water Nosedive.

 

I thought so, too, and appreciate it. Just goes to show what a moment's inattention can lead to. It sure seemed fairly calm until it wasn't. I hope the sniping here doesn't preclude future videos. If he's monitoring this thread, my apologies for posting. I've been around SA long enough to know better, I guess.

 

 

Looks to me like he was just toodling to the start - who hasn't gotten lazy in those situations and been caught out?

 

That's me to a T. My training wheels come in handy.

 

But I still want one of these things. Watching Martin come in against little wind/big gusts, he's in and out quite a bit. I've been away from dinghies for so long I don't recall if this is typical. Anything for me to learn here? I'm no longer very athletic and have old man's abs, if that matters.

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It was good of Martin to share that learning experience - The Flat-Water Nosedive.

 

I thought so, too, and appreciate it. Just goes to show what a moment's inattention can lead to. It sure seemed fairly calm until it wasn't. I hope the sniping here doesn't preclude future videos. If he's monitoring this thread, my apologies for posting. I've been around SA long enough to know better, I guess.

 

Looks to me like he was just toodling to the start - who hasn't gotten lazy in those situations and been caught out?

 

That's me to a T. My training wheels come in handy.

 

But I still want one of these things. Watching Martin come in against little wind/big gusts, he's in and out quite a bit. I've been away from dinghies for so long I don't recall if this is typical. Anything for me to learn here? I'm no longer very athletic and have old man's abs, if that matters.

Apologies if my comments offended anyone, although I would have thought that it was almost impossible to offend an Aussie.

The point I was trying to make is that you need to expect the unexpected, all the time. That way, nothing will ever surprise you or catch you out. It's a mental state of mind you have to get yourself in, every time you get on your boat, a bit like driving a car properly. The older and slower you get, the more you need to think ahead so you don't snooker yourself in certain situations.

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Okay, this is Anarchy etc. I would say Major Tom has passed the jetties and is in safe harbor...that said, I have a question.

 

My wee Kite is no rocket, like the RS boat, though we sail them similarly on a run...butt aft...but given the apparent wind velocity (shear) seems the sailor was put in a very precarious position. How would one act to handle such a slap, even if it was apparent, which I would be it wasn't not. What would all'y'all suggest? I figure I would spin into the wind, hand on and hope nothing breaks. Sound about right, racing or toodling (I love that word.) I may not be a Tuna, but I get the toodle...

 

Reason I wonder is the local pond, it is small, is just north of high bluffs, with an open end...the only time the wind is steady is when it is out of the north; otherwise, the shifts are frequent and can be frighteningly fast. Likely why most here do not sail much.

 

Whoa, a robin just sat on a branch, never saw one here this early...

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Apologies if my comments offended anyone, although I would have thought that it was almost impossible to offend an Aussie.

The point I was trying to make is that you need to expect the unexpected, all the time. That way, nothing will ever surprise you or catch you out. It's a mental state of mind you have to get yourself in, every time you get on your boat, a bit like driving a car properly. The older and slower you get, the more you need to think ahead so you don't snooker yourself in certain situations.

 

 

no offence taken here - it was more of an exasperated sigh from my part... we all start somewhere, and the fuckups just become less common as we learn. They never go away.

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Looked like one of my typical Sunday-AM-hungover-late-for-the-start-head-still-not-in-the-game-preracing evolutions.

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Got a chance to tour the Aero factory in Northern England last week.

Pretty rad. Very clean, orderly and lots of Aeros there.

 

(they also build two other RS models, but it was dominated by Aeros).

Building 5 Aeros a day, about to pass boat 1000.

 

 

Here in states, working to get to 100 Aeros on the West Coast by the summer.

Demo days happening in Seattle, Bay and SoCal.

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Was the RS700 one of the other models? It would be nice to know that the RS700 and the Aero are siblings at birth.

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Nope, it's Venture and Venture Keels there as far as I can remember. Great facilities, interviewed there a month or so ago for a job, didn't get it. Easy to see how the Aeros are such a quality product.

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Was the RS700 one of the other models? It would be nice to know that the RS700 and the Aero are siblings at birth.

The 700 is subcontracted to the boatyard at beer I believe and prior to that synthesize yachts and design where I built a few. It is a more conventionally built boat, and even 7 years ago was only being built in small batches of about 3 or so every once in a while. Similar scantling/layup but more labour intensive process and certainly not volumes warranting the heavily invested more automated processes of the Aero, or being built in an industrial moulding place rather than a conventional small boatbuilders.

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Was the RS700 one of the other models? It would be nice to know that the RS700 and the Aero are siblings at birth.

The 700 is subcontracted to the boatyard at beer I believe and prior to that synthesize yachts and design where I built a few. It is a more conventionally built boat, and even 7 years ago was only being built in small batches of about 3 or so every once in a while. Similar scantling/layup but more labour intensive process and certainly not volumes warranting the heavily invested more automated processes of the Aero, or being built in an industrial moulding place rather than a conventional small boatbuilders.

 

 

Well, makes sense, but ruins my fantasy of Santa's workshop filled w/ my favorite boats.

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While not holding the mainsheet is not cool, holding it would not have helped the fella a lot in this situation.

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Got a chance to tour the Aero factory in Northern England last week.

Pretty rad. Very clean, orderly and lots of Aeros there.

 

(they also build two other RS models, but it was dominated by Aeros).

Building 5 Aeros a day, about to pass boat 1000.

 

 

 

Are you able to share the name of the company that does the Aero manufacture?

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^^^

 

I'll ask, and see if RS is cool with me sharing a few photos from the factory as well.

 

The company builds some hi-tech bullet train/aerospace things, so, imagine any person clever could figure out who it was pretty quickly, but, let me ask if they are cool with that.

(they usually are, but, yeah....)

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wonka1.jpg

Maybe RS Sailing should add some Golden Tickets with future shipments of RS Aeros and then reward the lucky recipients of the tickets with expenses paid visits to visit Willy Wonka's RS Aero factory?

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^^^

 

I'll ask, and see if RS is cool with me sharing a few photos from the factory as well.

 

The company builds some hi-tech bullet train/aerospace things, so, imagine any person clever could figure out who it was pretty quickly, but, let me ask if they are cool with that.

(they usually are, but, yeah....)

Thanks. My Google skills have obviously deserted me. Photos would be good.

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^^^

 

I'll ask, and see if RS is cool with me sharing a few photos from the factory as well.

 

The company builds some hi-tech bullet train/aerospace things, so, imagine any person clever could figure out who it was pretty quickly, but, let me ask if they are cool with that.

(they usually are, but, yeah....)

Thanks. My Google skills have obviously deserted me. Photos would be good.

 

 

Well, if I were a boat builder in England and was looking to contract out the manufacture of the hulls of a boat like the RS Aero, I would certainly take a look at the company who claim to be "the UK's premier fiberglass component manufacturer" and who have photos of planes and trains and missiles and other cool stuff on their website.

 

But then what do I know about boats? So I will wait and see what WestCoast George is allowed to tell us.

 

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You guys ever have problems w/ the halyard cleat not working? I've found that the halyard sometimes works its way out of the cleat while sailing, resulting in a sagging sail and a quick rush to shore. Never happens on a "normal" outing. But if I have a hard capsize and dig the mast into the sandy bottom, I think the sand interacts w/ the halyard and cleat and somehow pulls the halyard out of the cleat. Anyway, I now routinely tie the head of the sail to the top of the mast w/ a bit of small cord. Just wondering if others do the same.

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Got a chance to tour the Aero factory in Northern England last week.

Pretty rad. Very clean, orderly and lots of Aeros there.

 

(they also build two other RS models, but it was dominated by Aeros).

Building 5 Aeros a day, about to pass boat 1000.

 

 

Are you able to share the name of the company that does the Aero manufacture?

 

 

No big secret, Mtag Compisites build them: http://www.mtagcomposites.co.uk.

 

Also they are in the East Midlands not Northern England, (proper north doesn't start til you hit Yorkshire).

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Got a chance to tour the Aero factory in Northern England last week.

Pretty rad. Very clean, orderly and lots of Aeros there.

 

(they also build two other RS models, but it was dominated by Aeros).

Building 5 Aeros a day, about to pass boat 1000.

 

 

Are you able to share the name of the company that does the Aero manufacture?

 

 

No big secret, Mtag Compisites build them: http://www.mtagcomposites.co.uk.

 

Also they are in the East Midlands not Northern England, (proper north doesn't start til you hit Yorkshire).

 

 

Thanks Jeffers. My Google skills were inadequate to working it out.

 

Good to know that RS Aeros come from Lincolnshire. A lot of great things come from Lincolnshire.

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The 20+kn Club is open!

Hard to believe this was a month ago already but here is the video of Anthony 'Chunky' York when he clocked 23.9kn (27.5mph) on his GPS in winds gusting into the high 30s (kn) at Northampton, UK, on Feb 21st.

 

The big speed comes at 28-30 seconds into the clip, at about the time the pic was taken. The data looks good with steady accelerations and an average speed of 18.2kn (21mph) maintained for 1 minute 15 seconds!

 

Turn up the volume and hang on tight!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiQSvBaqsp4

 

Full detail here.

 

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pic by Kev Hall

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I'd love to see a video of Chunky rigging up in that wind!

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Where it not for the wetsuit, that could have been a nasty saltwater enema at 22 second mark.

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Where it not for the wetsuit, that could have been a nasty saltwater enema at 22 second mark.

 

 

You are right! But it is freshwater at Pitsford Reservoir, all be it very cold - there was snow there a few weeks earlier.

 

The outing was only 3 reaches zig-zagging down the lake. The full first reach blowout vid is here, check out how viciously the gust hits at 1:01!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWKRiolcExI

Chunky reports; 'It is a different technique slightly to what I have been used to because if you don't use both the rear toe straps you tend to be angled back too far and get spat out the back. After my first debacle I ended up going to the back straps and hiking straight out. This also enabled a bit more steering control as you aren't hanging out the back of the boat as much. Amazing what you learn in stupid stuff like that eh?'

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I'd love to see a video of Chunky rigging up in that wind!

Tipping the boat over on the dolly works pretty well.

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Where it not for the wetsuit, that could have been a nasty saltwater enema at 22 second mark.

 

 

You are right! But it is freshwater at Pitsford Reservoir, all be it very cold - there was snow there a few weeks earlier.

 

The outing was only 3 reaches zig-zagging down the lake. The full first reach blowout vid is here, check out how viciously the gust hits at 1:01!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWKRiolcExI

Chunky reports; 'It is a different technique slightly to what I have been used to because if you don't use both the rear toe straps you tend to be angled back too far and get spat out the back. After my first debacle I ended up going to the back straps and hiking straight out. This also enabled a bit more steering control as you aren't hanging out the back of the boat as much. Amazing what you learn in stupid stuff like that eh?'

 

 

The boat seemed to turtle really quickly. Is this normal behavior for the boat or is it more a function of this specific capsize?

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Looks like RS has now sold over 1,000 Aeros since launch

(We started taking orders for the boat in very late 2014).

 

They are building 5 a day, 5 days a week now.

 

--

Planning for already 30+ boats to be racing at Aero Nationals.

 

Demo trailer about to start making the rounds on the east coast (with I think 8 boats on it).

 

Details are underway to soon announce Aero World Championships in SF Bay in 2018.

 

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We're closing in on 70 Aeros sold on the West Coast - with an internal goal of 100 sold and sailing here by end of '16.

3 more shipped out to California yesterday, more going out this week as they arrive from RS.

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Any details of demo tour available yet?

If not, where should I watch for details?

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Dex,

The details of the USA Mega Demo Tour will be published on;

 

The International Class website on the North American events page;

http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=events&rg=North%20America

and the chat forum on that website.

 

The RS Aero Class North America Facebook Group;

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rsaeroclassnorthamerica/

 

The RS Aero Class (Int'l) Facebook Group;

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rsaeroclass/

 

and on this SA thread

 

and likely elsewhere too...

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Believe we've just hit 70 Aeros sold on West Coast.

3 more going to Bay Area next week, more on order.

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Believe we've just hit 70 Aeros sold on West Coast.

3 more going to Bay Area next week, more on order.

So let's get 4 more of those 70 to sign up for the Alamitos Bay YC Memorial Day regatta!

 

NOR

 

In Regatta Network sign up under Portsmouth Ocean Course and put RS Aero in Boat Name. Get 5 in there and we have a start.

 

Doug

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