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Let me put it another way. The Chinese just published a satellite photo showing what looks like debris. The resolution is really crappy and looks like they used an algorithm to blur the image a bit. That's a common technique to hide how high your resolution really is. Anyway, they said they've had the photo for several days but just announced it.

 

One possible explanation is that they have been in possession of this information for a while but were hoping someone else would find the plane. But that hasn't happened and people are getting ticked, so they finally said "Eff it, let's dumb down the image so people won't know our true capabilities. Maybe we'll get some street cred out of it". Could also be a gamble to demonstrate to their enemies (who would suspect the image quality of being diminished) that they're fully capable of tracking a plane with a satellite.

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As per Doghouse's reminder, I've also checked under my seats- no plane, however I recovered 2 lighters, 23 French fries, 5 Gatorade lids, a left sailing glove, numerous bits of spectra, $1.37, and an Annapolis city parking tix.

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You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.

 

A hospital? What is it?

 

It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.

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You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.

 

A hospital? What is it?

 

It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.

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I would think that any subs in the area of a downed 777 would have a pretty good clue. Sonar stations too.

 

Subs are pretty useless. Sub support ships and a P3 Orion are the right tools.

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I wonder if any T-AGOS MSC ships were in the Straights of Malacca that night

 

that being said - it's a very busy waterway and very noisy

 

On second thought- it's probably too busy a waterway for a T-AGOS boat - plus there are only a few still operating, but they are mostly in the west pacific

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I heard one very random comment on the news about a NZ person on an oil rig stating he may have seen the plane. Sounds like he took notice of the plane given it did not appear to be a normal situation and offered up some pretty decent details regarding his location and where he could see it.

 

The comment about fire makes you wonder how on earth could a big airliner catch fire with nothing being reported back from the pilots? I guess they could have been incapacitated quickly with no time to issue a distress message but in a manner that the plane stayed air born? Man this thing just gets more strange every day.

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Now there are rumours that the engines were still sending ACARS messages 5 hours after the flight disappeared. Truth is much stranger than fiction.

 

I'm still going with alien abduction, of all the theories it fits the current set of facts the best. Next best theory is vaporization from meteor impact, but no satellite picked up any flashes, which would surely have occured.

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A new twist. This is a great website. It's the same one that broke the news about the alien device in a dude's tooth. Will the "lame-stream" media ignore this?!

 

a very trusted source warning that there is now a ‘strong possibility’ according to several retired US Military officers that the missing Malaysian 370 was being prepared to be used as an EMP ‘stealth’ weapon to attack America. We’ve also been warned that this airplane was likely being repainted and its transponder being altered to fake both its’ origin as well as its’ destination, making Malaysia 370 the ultimate stealth weapon The prospect, regarded as a strong possibility by three retired flag officers, is to offload the passengers at a military hangar, load a neutron bomb (EMP weapon) aboard, re-load passengers, and fly it at high altitude over the United States for detonation.
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/sources-warn-malaysia-370-stealth-emp-attack-investigators-actively-pursuing-diversion-plan-2451090.html

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A new twist. This is a great website. It's the same one that broke the news about the alien device in a dude's tooth. Will the "lame-stream" media ignore this?!

 

a very trusted source warning that there is now a ‘strong possibility’ according to several retired US Military officers that the missing Malaysian 370 was being prepared to be used as an EMP ‘stealth’ weapon to attack America. We’ve also been warned that this airplane was likely being repainted and its transponder being altered to fake both its’ origin as well as its’ destination, making Malaysia 370 the ultimate stealth weapon The prospect, regarded as a strong possibility by three retired flag officers, is to offload the passengers at a military hangar, load a neutron bomb (EMP weapon) aboard, re-load passengers, and fly it at high altitude over the United States for detonation.
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/sources-warn-malaysia-370-stealth-emp-attack-investigators-actively-pursuing-diversion-plan-2451090.html

Love the video. She just reads it I guess for the sake of those in their audience who can't read.

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The flight MH370 was flying at more than 35,000 ft when it disappeared in good weather condition fuelling the weird theory of an alien attack and abduction.

 

The social media is abuzz with this theory as not even the super efficient Satellites were able to detect any trace of the missing plane.

The alien abduction theory now holds more weight as the Chinese media claimed that some passengers' mobile phones were ringing when their relatives called while the American spy satellite too showed no sign of a mid-air explosion in its image.

 

lol

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-alien-abduction-discussed-social-media-conspiracy-1439711

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I heard one very random comment on the news about a NZ person on an oil rig stating he may have seen the plane. Sounds like he took notice of the plane given it did not appear to be a normal situation and offered up some pretty decent details regarding his location and where he could see it.

 

The comment about fire makes you wonder how on earth could a big airliner catch fire with nothing being reported back from the pilots? I guess they could have been incapacitated quickly with no time to issue a distress message but in a manner that the plane stayed air born? Man this thing just gets more strange every day.

Ask Payne Stewart and his flight crew how that could happen.

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A new twist. This is a great website. It's the same one that broke the news about the alien device in a dude's tooth. Will the "lame-stream" media ignore this?!

 

a very trusted source warning that there is now a ‘strong possibility’ according to several retired US Military officers that the missing Malaysian 370 was being prepared to be used as an EMP ‘stealth’ weapon to attack America. We’ve also been warned that this airplane was likely being repainted and its transponder being altered to fake both its’ origin as well as its’ destination, making Malaysia 370 the ultimate stealth weapon The prospect, regarded as a strong possibility by three retired flag officers, is to offload the passengers at a military hangar, load a neutron bomb (EMP weapon) aboard, re-load passengers, and fly it at high altitude over the United States for detonation.
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/sources-warn-malaysia-370-stealth-emp-attack-investigators-actively-pursuing-diversion-plan-2451090.html

 

wtf would you reload the passengers?

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A new twist. This is a great website. It's the same one that broke the news about the alien device in a dude's tooth. Will the "lame-stream" media ignore this?!

 

a very trusted source warning that there is now a strong possibility according to several retired US Military officers that the missing Malaysian 370 was being prepared to be used as an EMP stealth weapon to attack America. Weve also been warned that this airplane was likely being repainted and its transponder being altered to fake both its origin as well as its destination, making Malaysia 370 the ultimate stealth weapon The prospect, regarded as a strong possibility by three retired flag officers, is to offload the passengers at a military hangar, load a neutron bomb (EMP weapon) aboard, re-load passengers, and fly it at high altitude over the United States for detonation.

http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/sources-warn-malaysia-370-stealth-emp-attack-investigators-actively-pursuing-diversion-plan-2451090.html

wtf would you reload the passengers?

Question is reload them with what?

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shouldn't this thread be changed to

 

Plane Just Plain Missing .....yes

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I dunno...but if I was running S&R flight ops for six straight days, and then come to find somebody had been sitting on the information that the engines were pinging data out for 4 hours after the transponder shut down, I'd be tempted to send everybody to get hot meals, showers, and looong naps until verification of all heads being fully de-coloned is provided. Photos required.

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I dunno...but if I was running S&R flight ops for six straight days, and then come to find somebody had been sitting on the information that the engines were pinging data out for 4 hours after the transponder shut down, I'd be tempted to send everybody to get hot meals, showers, and looong naps until verification of all heads being fully de-coloned is provided. Photos required.

Absolutely.

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I dunno...but if I was running S&R flight ops for six straight days, and then come to find somebody had been sitting on the information that the engines were pinging data out for 4 hours after the transponder shut down, I'd be tempted to send everybody to get hot meals, showers, and looong naps until verification of all heads being fully de-coloned is provided. Photos required.

Sounds like a spy satellite heard the ACARS system either pinging a ground station and getting no reply due ro being out of range or pinging a satellite and getting no reply because the airline didn't subscribe to the service. Either way, it probably took a lot of digging and analyzing recordings, hence the delay.

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It's probably not a coincidence that this piece of information was released not long after the Chinese threw a photo out there.

 

I would think ACARS signals would have been investigated pretty early on since, among other things, it contains data on stuff that's broken so maintenance can be scheduled promptly.

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in other news, a US Scareways Scairburs throws a tire into an engine leading to an aborted takeoff and collapsed nose-gear at KPHL today. maybe i should drive to florida at the end of the month....

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It's probably not a coincidence that this piece of information was released not long after the Chinese threw a photo out there.

I would think ACARS signals would have been investigated pretty early on since, among other things, it contains data on stuff that's broken so maintenance can be scheduled promptly.

ACARS didn't transmit data. But some three letter acronym heard it trying to connect.

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in other news, a US Scareways Scairburs throws a tire into an engine leading to an aborted takeoff and collapsed nose-gear at KPHL today. maybe i should drive to florida at the end of the month....

Fly spirit outta AC for peanuts

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Fly Spirit?

 

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..................

 

 

Good one.

Ole Pappy Sol used to have a good Spirit story. You'll think I've gone off on a tangent, but trust me, it gets back to spirit. A guy from up north was coming down to race on a boat called "Spirit" in the old SORC days. He was full on 60's hippie, complete with beard, backpack and the whole getup, complete with lack of car. He hitches a ride south and gets to SPYC right after the boats had left on the St. Pete to Venice Race, so he finds his way on down to Venice, and sets up camp out behind the club later that night. Someone sees this, and calls the cops, who find a guy sacked out on the lawn, tap him on the foot with a nightstick and ask what's going on. The guy wakes up and says "I'm waiting for the Spirit."

 

His end result reminds me of flying Spirit.

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Fly Spirit?

 

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..................

 

 

Good one.

C'mon, $68 to perform a sadistic yoga pose for an hr and a half while sharing an air tube with wallmart's finest?

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Fly Spirit?

 

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..................

 

 

Good one.

C'mon, $68 to perform a sadistic yoga pose for an hr and a half while sharing an air tube with wallmart's finest?

 

I'd take out a new mortgage on my house if I had to have a little extra scratch to fly a real airline.

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San Diego to TAHOE is a push between flying or driving considering the hours on each end and limited amount of luggage

 

 

The Actual Flying is Great

 

Frisco is another story as you MUST drive through the Black-Hole that is LA

 

Yet ya can't check yer Boat So ............... once again

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Fly Spirit?

 

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..................

 

 

Good one.

C'mon, $68 to perform a sadistic yoga pose for an hr and a half while sharing an air tube with wallmart's finest?

I'd take out a new mortgage on my house if I had to have a little extra scratch to fly a real airline.

Today's special: AC-FLL $30

 

I hear you though. It's by far the worst airline on earth but it's 30min from my front door and it goes to FLL, PBI. So in 3 hrs I go from bed to boat

 

Any farther than that and I'll walk to PHL and sell my ass to a guy named DeWayne before I fly spirit.

 

Don't walk to PHL and sell your ass to a guy named DeWayne.

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With no debris seen yet, everyone is doing conjecture. I heard a guy at lunch on the radio say maybe it was hijacked and landed somewhere either for ransom, or some weird thought they could repaint it and sell it (not sure what they would do with the people). Or the co-pilot committed suicide. Let the conjecture go on, until something concrete is found. Any theory is possible. Has anyone calculated what the flight range is, with the amount of fuel on board? How far is that?

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With no debris seen yet, everyone is doing conjecture. I heard a guy at lunch on the radio say maybe it was hijacked and landed somewhere either for ransom, or some weird thought they could repaint it and sell it (not sure what they would do with the people). Or the co-pilot committed suicide. Let the conjecture go on, until something concrete is found. Any theory is possible. Has anyone calculated what the flight range is, with the amount of fuel on board? How far is that?

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wtf would aliens want with a plane full of Malaysians? What'd they do, start an extra terrestrial shoe mfg company?

Good studies are based on random sampling.

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wtf would aliens want with a plane full of Malaysians? What'd they do, start an extra terrestrial shoe mfg company?

Good studies are based on random sampling.

Who could we use as a control group?

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Okay, at this point I think its time to go back and reexamine the oil slick found on day 1. Was this an intentional red herring designed to goad investigators into looking for a wrecked jet in the water as opposed to a stolen/hijacked jet on the ground?

 

Jaya

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Testicles, 1, 2... Testicles, 1, 2. This is your soul plane chauffeur Captain Antoine Mack speaking. Welcome aboard NWA flight 069 from the 310 to the 212. It's time to bust this coney y'all. In a hot second, I'll be hittin' them switches and gettin' this bitch pumpin' and jumpin'. So screw your shit on tight and enjoy the flight.

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wtf would aliens want with a plane full of Malaysians? What'd they do, start an extra terrestrial shoe mfg company?

Good studies are based on random sampling.

Who could we use as a control group?

 

floridians..

Or Kalifornians.

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wtf would aliens want with a plane full of Malaysians? What'd they do, start an extra terrestrial shoe mfg company?

Good studies are based on random sampling.

Who could we use as a control group?

 

floridians..

Or Kalifornians.

No...........you want a control group that are NOT aliens..........get it..........aliens...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never mind.

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wtf would aliens want with a plane full of Malaysians? What'd they do, start an extra terrestrial shoe mfg company?

 

 

maybe they wanted some chinese takeout?

Given China's fairly defensive and must know everything going on / budget no way an airliner would ever make it close to China without them knowing about it.

If it did fly for several hours it was in the direction of a country with far less capability to track incoming air traffic.

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Aliens it is:

With more and more information flushing through about the mysterious disappearance of the Malaysian plane, the US space agency NASA has put their foot down and has officially joined the international search operation to find the aircraft that vanished with 239 people aboard.

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Inmarsat saying they tracked the plane after it lost contact. Looks like someone flew it to the Indian Ocean.

The engine pinging stuff smells like a cover-up for some spy-sat info and capability, doesn't it? Six days was too long for somebody to be looking for emissions from a plane that went silent, and the airline initially called it BS.

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Who could we use as a control group?

 

 

 

floridians..

Or Kalifornians.

No...........you want a control group that are NOT aliens..........get it..........aliens...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never mind.

California.........aliens.............get it?

 

Come on people!! Somebody has to be mad!

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Who could we use as a control group?

 

 

 

floridians..

Or Kalifornians.

No...........you want a control group that are NOT aliens..........get it..........aliens...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never mind.

California.........aliens.............get it?

 

Come on people!! Somebody has to be mad!

Not mad. Laughing at the pun :)

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Inmarsat saying they tracked the plane after it lost contact. Looks like someone flew it to the Indian Ocean.

The engine pinging stuff smells like a cover-up for some spy-sat info and capability, doesn't it? Six days was too long for somebody to be looking for emissions from a plane that went silent, and the airline initially called it BS.
There's a lot of fishy stuff about this. ACARS (engine pinging stuff) is a real system but the timing of the various pieces of info that have come out smells like people are trying to reveal information while attempting to mask the sources.

 

Take the Chinese photo of debris. The pieces were said to be huge pieces of the fuselage (e.g., 70-ish by 40-ish feet). Planes in water - particularly ones in many pieces - aren't known for hanging around. Generally they have an express ticket to the bottom. So, if that photo was of the plane in question, it would have to have been taken very near to the time of the crash. It seemed really dumb that the Malaysians sent folks to investigate the surface, as though the plane would still be there. Even junk that floats, like seat cushions, would likely have moved on after several days.

 

The photo quality was a lot worse than even Google Earth and appeared to be blurred down. If the Chinese weren't 100% sure that the plane was in that photo, then they would look like idiots for having published it. Or, perhaps, that was the plan so their enemies wouldn't know their true capabilities, even though they would have revealed that they had photos from near the time of the crash.

 

And shortly after the Chinese photo is laid out there, the US starts releasing info that they've probably been holding on to for a bit. Wonder if they're trying to discredit the Chinese lol

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Who could we use as a control group?

 

 

 

floridians..

Or Kalifornians.

No...........you want a control group that are NOT aliens..........get it..........aliens...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never mind.

California.........aliens.............get it?

 

Come on people!! Somebody has to be mad!

PM Wolfsie. He knows who is MAD

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Inmarsat saying they tracked the plane after it lost contact. Looks like someone flew it to the Indian Ocean.

The engine pinging stuff smells like a cover-up for some spy-sat info and capability, doesn't it? Six days was too long for somebody to be looking for emissions from a plane that went silent, and the airline initially called it BS.
There's a lot of fishy stuff about this. ACARS (engine pinging stuff) is a real system but the timing of the various pieces of info that have come out smells like people are trying to reveal information while attempting to mask the sources.

 

Take the Chinese photo of debris. The pieces were said to be huge pieces of the fuselage (e.g., 70-ish by 40-ish feet). Planes in water - particularly ones in many pieces - aren't known for hanging around. Generally they have an express ticket to the bottom. So, if that photo was of the plane in question, it would have to have been taken very near to the time of the crash. It seemed really dumb that the Malaysians sent folks to investigate the surface, as though the plane would still be there. Even junk that floats, like seat cushions, would likely have moved on after several days.

 

The photo quality was a lot worse than even Google Earth and appeared to be blurred down. If the Chinese weren't 100% sure that the plane was in that photo, then they would look like idiots for having published it. Or, perhaps, that was the plan so their enemies wouldn't know their true capabilities, even though they would have revealed that they had photos from near the time of the crash.

 

And shortly after the Chinese photo is laid out there, the US starts releasing info that they've probably been holding on to for a bit. Wonder if they're trying to discredit the Chinese lol

Not really those photos looked like white wash from waves when I saw them. The engine data didn't exist what they have is a record of communication linking pings sent out by the engines connection was never established given the service was not being used by the Airlines. They do however know that the engines were pinging long after the tracking gear was shut down with a 20minute gap between the standard cockpit transponder and the other tracking system on board which does suggest they were intentionally shut down by someone on board.

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Can the thing that was pinging be turned off? Isn't it sort of weird that someone would be smart enough to shut off the transponder, fly the plane and avoid radar but not turn off the pinger? If it can be turned off.

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Inmarsat saying they tracked the plane after it lost contact. Looks like someone flew it to the Indian Ocean.

The engine pinging stuff smells like a cover-up for some spy-sat info and capability, doesn't it? Six days was too long for somebody to be looking for emissions from a plane that went silent, and the airline initially called it BS.

 

Not engine pinging. Return from the actual comm unit on the plane.

 

You can bet the bank some analyst in the Air Force knows exactly where the plane went. There is no way that info gets out without days of back channel minute leaks, even to our own SAR guys and the Navy.

 

Can the thing that was pinging be turned off? Isn't it sort of weird that someone would be smart enough to shut off the transponder, fly the plane and avoid radar but not turn off the pinger? If it can be turned off.

 

No.

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ACARS (engine pinging stuff)

 

no.

 

Seriously, the worst thing about this whole thing next to the probable loss of life is a bunch of idiots going around saying "ACARS" like they know what the fuck it is.

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I doubt we are withholding knowing where the thing is because of some big secret system protection. Do you guys seriously think we have some spy shit capabilities that the other world powers don't know about? Perhaps not the details of the technology to replicate the capability but the thought they'd have an ah ha moment about our capabilities if we found the plane just doesn't make sense to me. Especially after our friends Manning and Snowden........the whistleblower heros.

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I reckon the Chinese & US govt's have a pretty good idea where that plane went and where it is now, either landed somewhere or crashed. The misinformation feed is incredible and I think is actually more intriguing than where the plane is. Why all the cloak & daggers stuff? Something big going on behind the scenes here and we may never know the full story. I feel for the families of those onboard the flight though.

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I reckon the Chinese & US govt's have a pretty good idea where that plane went and where it is now, either landed somewhere or crashed. The misinformation feed is incredible and I think is actually more intriguing than where the plane is. Why all the cloak & daggers stuff? Something big going on behind the scenes here and we may never know the full story. I feel for the families of those onboard the flight though.

How do you conclude there is cloak and dagger stuff? What evidence (other than the conspiracy lovers) is there that it's anything other than a very big ocean with no overlapping radar/tracking coverage. Why isn't it that the task and search area is so big that we may never find it? I know there are movies that show some super duper look up your skirt capability anywhere in the world by sneaky people sitting in dark rooms with lotsa blinking lights.........but I suspect it's way simpler than that.

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in other news, a US Scareways Scairburs throws a tire into an engine leading to an aborted takeoff and collapsed nose-gear at KPHL today. maybe i should drive to florida at the end of the month....

Fly spirit outta AC for peanuts

FLL

PBI

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i can get similar deals with Frontier out of trenton. This one's on the company, though, so im flying out of Philly.

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I reckon the Chinese & US govt's have a pretty good idea where that plane went and where it is now, either landed somewhere or crashed. The misinformation feed is incredible and I think is actually more intriguing than where the plane is. Why all the cloak & daggers stuff? Something big going on behind the scenes here and we may never know the full story. I feel for the families of those onboard the flight though.

How do you conclude there is cloak and dagger stuff? What evidence (other than the conspiracy lovers) is there that it's anything other than a very big ocean with no overlapping radar/tracking coverage. Why isn't it that the task and search area is so big that we may never find it? I know there are movies that show some super duper look up your skirt capability anywhere in the world by sneaky people sitting in dark rooms with lotsa blinking lights.........but I suspect it's way simpler than that.
Why would someone conclude there is cloak and dagger stuff? The simple answer is that it's way too ridiculous to assume the US would be ignorant of that sort of information. And some of the cloak and dagger stuff in the Cold War is still hard to believe. And the technology has only improved since then.

 

Consider that decades ago the US knew where every Soviet plane and sub was at all times. It used to be joked that the Russians could track their own subs by watching our sub tracking planes. We had better technology than they did (e.g., our subs were quieter), but it's still not chump change to track all that stuff.

 

Then consider 9/11. Do you suppose the US would have a vested interest in knowing a great deal about every commercial flight and would like to have an awareness of any abnormalities? That plane wasn't exactly flying in the middle of the Pacific several thousand miles from the nearest land. It was right in a mix of places where the US has some serious political, economic, and military interests.

 

Those are just a few thoughts anyway.

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Do you guys seriously think we have some spy shit capabilities that the other world powers don't know about? Perhaps not the details of the technology to replicate the capability but the thought they'd have an ah ha moment about our capabilities if we found the plane just doesn't make sense to me. Especially after our friends Manning and Snowden........the whistleblower heros.

You sort of answered your own question. Much of the world probably suspected but didn't know for sure about the NSA's more clandestine activities until Snowden revealed some of them. And knowledge of those capabilities has led people to modify their behavior because they know someone is snooping.

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As for withholding information....

 

If someone's job is national defense capabilities and they don't care about anything else (e.g., families suffering from not knowing), then it would actually be smart to withhold information in this case if the plane really did crash into the ocean.

 

The argument goes like this: if the plane is in the ocean, everyone is already dead. There are no lives to be saved and there's nothing to be gained by revealing some of your technological capabilities just to shorten the search. The final results of the investigation won't be affected if it takes someone else an extra week or two to find the plane.

 

Of course, if the "amateurs" can't find the plane for long enough, then look for a government to hire a private contractor or some such diversion to find it. Governments like giving info to private contractors and then hiding behind them.

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BREAKING NEWS

 

Location of Jet known all along -Passengers being held Hostage

 

We Will be Storming the location in a Surprise Sortie tomorrow at 2pm local time

 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That what all of you are upset not to hear ??

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Long drive back from sfo this afternoon on the 35 to avoid the masses. Experts on public radio spouting the very few facts:

 

1 - the transponder got turned off.

2 - sometime later another tracking system got turned off.

3 - the plane almost did a 180 in terms of track but was doing odd things directionally.

4 - telemetry of some sort was received from the plane for hours after the tracking systems were turned off.

 

These experts have essentially ruled out accident as a cause and are firmly on the side of air piracy. They also mentiond that the black boxes can be turned off by just flipping breakers and we may never find out what happened. Anyway, thats what I think I heard on the radio.

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hehe...that ain't Vietnam. I recognise that apron - PER International.

 

Seems reports coming out now that continue the theme the flight went NW then south and this info is being drip fed out of the US.

 

mmm...I wonder what group of atolls that house a US Naval Base are located a bit over 2,000nm from the last confirmed location of this plane and within flying range?

 

Me thinks the US Navy Command at DG would be very concerned about a rogue airliner flying in their general direction. This is just conjecture but it certainly is looking more and more like the US Military & Govt are playing things VERY close to their chests.

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So, now they have confirmed it was deliberately flown off course and transponders were deliberately turned off.

 

My question is, why is it possible to switch off transponders or is it a case of having to take a pair of wire cutters to them?

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So, now they have confirmed it was deliberately flown off course and transponders were deliberately turned off.

 

My question is, why is it possible to switch off transponders or is it a case of having to take a pair of wire cutters to them?

It's called an "OFF" button on the pilots control panel. You're supposed to turn it off on the ground so your beacon doesn't clutter up the ATC radar screens.

 

The system being tracked was not ACARS either. That also got turned off at some point, although I think that one does require wire cutters or the correct circuit breaker pulled to disable it as it is supposed to running all the time.

 

What they've seen is a Boeing system that can send data to the Boeing factory via satellites. It's kinda like Onstar, you have to subscribe to it for the full service to work. Malaysian didn't subscribe but the system is still on and sending pings saying "here is am" like a cell phone looking for a tower to connect to. I don't know that they could get any specific data from the ping or use it to triangulate position, but that's what they were getting for those last 4 hours after the transponder and ACARS was turned off. That tells me It definitely didn't crash right away and that there was a deliberate attempt to do something to hide the plane and where it was going. If the cabin just had a sudden decompression, all that stuff would have still been on.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/rival-theories-malaysia-flights-disappearance-201057656.html

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So, now they have confirmed it was deliberately flown off course and transponders were deliberately turned off.

 

My question is, why is it possible to switch off transponders or is it a case of having to take a pair of wire cutters to them?

It's called an "OFF" button on the pilots control panel. You're supposed to turn it off on the ground so your beacon doesn't clutter up the ATC radar screens.

 

The system being tracked was not ACARS either. That also got turned off at some point, although I think that one does require wire cutters or the correct circuit breaker pulled to disable it as it is supposed to running all the time.

 

What they've seen is a Boeing system that can send data to the Boeing factory via satellites. It's kinda like Onstar, you have to subscribe to it for the full service to work. Malaysian didn't subscribe but the system is still on and sending pings saying "here is am" like a cell phone looking for a tower to connect to. I don't know that they could get any specific data from the ping or use it to triangulate position, but that's what they were getting for those last 4 hours after the transponder and ACARS was turned off. That tells me It definitely didn't crash right away and that there was a deliberate attempt to do something to hide the plane and where it was going. If the cabin just had a sudden decompression, all that stuff would have still been on.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/rival-theories-malaysia-flights-disappearance-201057656.html

 

okay, well that makes sense, I just wasn't sure why something like that could be turned off. I read somewhere that there is a possibility that the black box could also have been switched off so if they do find the plane they may never know what happened.

 

It's all getting a little strange and i've got no idea what to believe with all the changes in the story.

 

I'll just be thinking it over on my flights next week....on Malaysian....

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Other reports indicate latest satellite ping around 0811 MYT (0011 GMT/UTC/Zulu), or nearly 7 hours after contact was lost.

 

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Nrg800's map from the 15 March statement to media. The last ping recorded by satellite is near the bolded black line, and the red ellipse is roughly the range limit from last radio contact before running out of fuel.

 

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other-asian-australian-south-pacific-airlines/1558464-mh370-772-kul-pek-missing-1730-gmt-7-mar-2014-sar-underway-read-wiki-first.html

 

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"Based on a speed of Mach 0.84 (based off http://www.askcaptainlim.com/flying-...airliners.html, where would we be without Air Asia?!) and a further minimising of about 30% due to turning and possible less than cruising speed you can make a doughnut of 4,200-6,000km from the last known position, masking this to just the region of the final ping gives you something a bit more specific (albeit completely speculatory) "

Nrg800. (Post 4220)

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I doubt we are withholding knowing where the thing is because of some big secret system protection. Do you guys seriously think we have some spy shit capabilities that the other world powers don't know about? Perhaps not the details of the technology to replicate the capability but the thought they'd have an ah ha moment about our capabilities if we found the plane just doesn't make sense to me. Especially after our friends Manning and Snowden........the whistleblower heros.

 

It's not that simple. Everyone knows basically what everyone has. They have to be careful disseminating the data to make sure it can't be backward engineered though.

 

The last I heard anyway was China's stuff was on the level of the last KH satellites, which isn't that hot. That could have changed though as it's been awhile since I've been in the loop on that sort of stuff.

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